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- An in depth comparison of the Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 and Zoom Fly 3 running shoes in terms of a 2nd shoe within your rotation.
I examine the shoes in terms of different training activities and how well the shoes perform within those training tasks.
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After only having run in Zoom Fly3s for the past 3 years (which I love), I decided to grab a pair of the Pegasus Turbo 2, based on this video. This morning, I went out for a fast 10k in the new Pegas. When compared to the ZF3s, the Pegas are:
much lighter, but not as snappy or responsive. You really 'feel' the road with the Pegas, too. The knit uppers doesn't grab/hold your foot like the Vaporweave/inner neoprene 'sock' combo. It's hard to imagine burning 15+ miles into the Pegas.
I think the ZF3s will remain my primary Half Marathon shoe.. and the Pegas for casual run / light training days.
As always, top vid Eddie.
Was digging through the crates when I stumbled across this video. You’ve sure come a long way over the last year or so Edd. In your more recent videos you seem far more natural, relaxed and comical. Oh, and not forgetting the addition of musical interludes!
Great work! 👍🏻
I have both of them. I do agree with your comparison, I feel the same. But for me turbo2 is too light which make me feel it lost momentum when running sometimes. ZF3 is too soft when running slow pace and did not feel benefit of carbon plate.
Hello Prasert. Thanks for watching and for commenting. For my training session today I had to hit 5k pace on 10x400m repeats. The peg turbo 2 did great for these, I’m not sure I could have kept it consistent with the Zoom Fly 3. The snap isn’t there like in the previous version. It makes me wonder if the turbo could help me produce a great 5k performance. Food for thought. 🤔
Yay! Love the Vox AC30/15 reference!
Glad you spotted it. Bizarrely it’s plugged in right now, with the Rickenbacker 360. 😊👍🏼🎸
@@EDDBUD Excellent! Running and guitars. My 2 favourite things :)
Same here. Doesn’t come any better than that. What’s your main axe? I’m split between my jazzmaster and rick 360 at present into a Princeton.
@@EDDBUD Between working on guitars and running I don't have as much time to play as I'd like but I have a Strat, a Tele 72 custom and a couple of my own. I also have cheap acoustic that hangs over my desk. I probably play that more than anything!
Last year I bought the Pegasus 35 Turbo and I ended loving it but this year I chose the Zoom Fly 3 to try out for my first time a carbon plate running shoe .
Anyways I will ask Santa for a Pegasus Turbo 2 !🤞
Thanks for watching. Let’s hope Santa brings your a peg turbo 2. How do you find the ZF3?
@@EDDBUD I bought it at the Nike store the other day ... will receive it by 2nd or 3rd it August . Will test it for a week and then will let you know what I thought about the ZF3 for my runs between 5 to 14km .
I will be keen to hear your views that one. It’s growing on me slowly that shoe. 👍🏼😊
Thanks for the detail comparison between the two 👍👍
Thanks for watching Danny. Much appreciated. 👍🏼🏃🏻♂️😊
Thanks. Lots of wisdom in the video. I think the Turbo (1) is the most versatile shoe ever for me. 2nd version is ligther, bit less support, but bit faster. Do not own a zoom fly but vaporfly fly knit and the next %. I adore the fk for racing, dont know about the next yet. Testride was not what i aspected. Bit unstable, clunky and different fit. Maybe i can get used to it. Thank you for the videos and good luck with your running
Thanks so much for watching Edwin. Glad you enjoyed the video. I concur with your findings on the turbo. You put it perfectly.
My personal bests are in the Gyakusou Vaporfly 4% as I find the flyknit on that a little softer. Maybe it’s just me imagining it!
The next % is a very different shoe, I think some people blame the flyknit but I think it’s the midsole difference. It will take time to become accustomed to it.
Happy running. 👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
@@EDDBUD thank you. Going for a second next % testride now. 10 k race saturday and give it a go. I recognise our comment about the next % midsole now you mention it. Also trie to lace different to get a more snug feeling. Have a Nice day!
Good luck with your 10k, I’m keen to hear your feelings on the next %. Let me know how you do. 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD thank you. 2nd testride felt better! Lacing ( using upper extra whole) more secure lock. WU, slow pace did feel bad, heavy as if my leggs would be beat up. Then did 1 mile mp, 1 mile Treshold and 1 k @ 10kp with 1 easy km in between. Despite a little headwind at times could hit target paces without to much effort and thing got to feel more natural. More confident in those expensive shoes now for upcomming races. Going for a sub 34 min saturday . Fingers crossed. My strava from this morning s test.: Bekijk mijn activiteit op Strava: strava.app.link/HhA8rxKCLY
@@EDDBUD 10 k went well with the next %. Did not bother me. The course did, lots of corners en narrow. PB is 34.18 from to months ago and managed to shave some seconds off
Great job! I'm currently preparing for the Chicago Marathon, and the two shoes I'm using are the Peg Turbo 1 and the Zoom Fly Flyknit :-) I'm doing all the tempo/threshold work in the ZFF, and everything else (long runs, intervals, easy runs, etc.) in the Peg Turbo (crazy versatile shoe !). For race day, I'm torn between the ZFF, or pulling the trigger on the mighty Vaporfly Next% ;-)
Thanks for watching and commenting. Have you considered looking for a pair of the 4%? Some good deals on those at present. That aside the ZFF is a great shoe and has great attributes. Best of luck in your training and your race. 🏃🏻♂️👍🏼
@@EDDBUD Thanks ! I'm not considering the 4%, as the Flyknit upper is the one thing I'm not fond of about the ZFF. I think the Vaporweave upper will be more my bag, but I don't if that's worth the price difference nowadays...
Is it worth looking for an original version of the 4% without the flyknit? Just a thought. 🤔👍🏼
I have a similar toe to that description! That’s from a fender amp though so the running shoes are innocent! 😂
I agree about the toe box on the next % , a little more forgiving and light than the flyknit. Not sure I shall shell out for the flyknit next % custom that has released. I like the standard next %. 👍🏼
Hi Ed! Great video. I have 2 pairs of turbo 1s. One with over 500kms and one with 100kms. Strangely the flex point in the old ones its getting a bit more to be center of the shoe, so it is time to say goodbye. I honestly love the turbo 1’s for everything from 30’ recovery run to a 2h tempo run. I do have a pair of ZF3 that I love for going under 4’30’’ /km. Slower than that I feel that I am running with a woman’s hight heel shoe. So I totally get your point about them. 👍
Hey Pedro!
I have found that the original turbo does have a weird bend going on as the miles rack up. Love the turbos, will get them out again perhaps tomorrow for a light effort.
The zoom fly 3 is such a “marmite” shoe. Some love it, some don’t. I agree though it can move if you push the pace. But it’s stiletto stuff when you slow down. 😂
Thanks for watching 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Great review. Nice in depth comparison. I'm adding one of these, if not both to my rotation very soon. Definitely going to use your insight to help decide. Thanks! Also how does the next % handle slower speeds?
Thanks for watching Ian. Glad you enjoyed the video. Watch our for a next % update soon. 👍🏼
Next percent is unmatched.
I wear a darker/less flashy model of the ZF3 as an everyday sneaker. They do a good job here, but I actually feel no inclination to take them for a run. They feel incredibly sole-heavy, in total much heavier than they probably are. They’re also strangely large: to my feet 3/4s of a size larger than the original ZFs. I liked the older versions of the ZF, love the Turbos, adore the Vaporflys. But the Zoom Fly 3 - naahh
liked this video a lot! :) the laugh tracks were hilarious reminded me of 90's sitcoms! What shoe that you own do you feel performs the best at the marathon distance other than the vaporfly?
Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching. I’m a big fan of the 90’s and I’m glad to inject a bit of comedy in there to lighten things up!
I would imagine the Carbon x would perform well over the marathon distance. It’s got all the attributes, that aside I see many athletes wearing the Adidas Adios series which seem very popular. I’m interested to test those out in the near future. 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD Thanks for the reply! Let me ask you have you tried the hoka clifton 5? I ran in it and it gave my foot blisters so been scared of hoka since and was wondering how the carbon x feels on foot?
It’s my first Hoka but I’m aware it’s not a typical feeling for their shoes. It’s rather stiff in terms of the midsole, very comfortable and thin upper. Feels like a good quality shoe in hand and on foot. Much wider surface area to the midsole/outsole than the Vaporfly. Feels more stable underfoot. No issues thus far with blistering etc. 👍🏼
As promised I went out for another 7 miler in the carbon x around 7:30/m pace. Felt really great. In fact I didn’t really notice the upper at all. The midsole and outsole aren’t as cushioned ( anywhere near ) as the turbos or the Beacons. But they are very responsive and going up hills I felt the plate helping a little.
@@EDDBUD Thanks Edd your a real buddy. Still not sure what to think I'm going to go to a running store here and try them all out to see.
Awesome video again. I love the sound effects.
I'm interested in a comparison between the ZF3 and ZF FK. I've seen a lot of nice sales on last year's model. Does it pay to get the new version?
Your wish is my command Bernard. Stay tuned this week. I shall take the flyknit version out again and come up with a comparison of the two shoes. 👍🏼😊
@@EDDBUD I'm seriously considering getting the FK version of the ZF3 through Nike website......black and green.....played around with options...what u think?
dave askew Hey Dave. I did notice that there was a custom option now. Interested to see if the flyknit improves the feel and fit of the shoe. 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD just ordered lol....black with green swoosh and lacing
dave askew 😎
Have you ran a 5K race with the ZoomFly3? I love how light the peg turbo 2’s, I actually PR’d in a 5K race with them. I really love how the zoom fly’s look but I can’t get over the weight of the shoe.
Not the zoom fly 3, but one of the fastest 5k runs I did was in the zoom fly originals. Shame the 3 was so heavy. Especially compared to the sl20 or reebok run fast 2. Thanks for watching 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Could you help me decide long run distance shoes between Peg Turbo 2 vs Zoom Fly 3? (20 km distance with pace 6 mins/km)
Hello there. I’m rather biased between those as the zoom fly 3 didn’t work for me. The turbo 2 would be my choice. Hope this helps. Stay safe 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
@@EDDBUD Thank you.
It’s no problem at all. Please stay safe 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
Hi, if you didn't bought turbo 2, I recommend you hoka clifton or bondi for pace 6min/km, it's a slow pace and you will take it easy with hoka's.
What size should i get zoom fly 3? I use peg turbo 2 uk size 10 and they perfect size
Hey Brett. The zoom fly 3 to me was a little long. But most find it true to size. Hope this helps and thanks for watching. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Idk if I’m too late, but I found the shoe to be true to size as well. I run in US size 11 and I got the zoom fly 3 in the same size
Hi Edd does that me I can run half’s and full marathons in the peg turbo 2’s ? When you replyed to a question of mine earlier you said that they were only good for 10 miles or so .
Cheers
Hey David. I personally wouldn’t go much over 10 or 12 miles in the turbo. But I think I’m in the minority a little there. Many others go further and enjoy the ride. I found them a little lacking in stability of the midsole past that point. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
What would you recommend for the half or full marathon? I’ve got zoom fly, zoom fly flyknit and ASICS gel nimbus 21. Cheers
The zoom fly flyknit in almost all honesty. I think it’s a fantastic shoe. That aside I would do a test in the turbo and the ZF FK at your target race pace and see which feels the most suitable. We are all so different, it must have the right feel for you.
EDDBUD cheers for that, I used to be a one trainer guy for everything, old ASICS gel nimbus 12. Since I subbed to your and kofosi’s channels I’ve got more trainers than I’ve ever had 😂
Sorry edd I have to disagree with what you said about the fly 3 not handling slower paces. I run a much slower pace than you and it feels great to me.
Hey Drew, thanks for commenting. I am always open to listening and understanding opinions and certainly this shoe has lots of people divided!
I found it tough at slower paces but as I always say shoes often need to be experienced on foot for us to see if they can work for our needs. Thanks for watching. 👍🏼
I thought I have read somewhere that de peg turbo is being discontinued and that the zf is the replacement. I hope you know anything about that. Thank you in advance.
Peg Turbo & ZF being discontinued and being replaced by the Tempo Next%
Great review .... If you can, like many, only buy one pair primarily for shorter runs (10k max) with some interval training and very rare race days, running on mostly hard surfaces, what would you get? Turbo 2, zoom fly 3 or something else like Carbon X, Rincon, adizero Adios 4 (I Heard- issue with 5) of Ultraboost 20? My existing is a Brooks Glycerin which has been good but lost its bounce and wearing out the sole, i want something more reactive, good cushion but maybe lighter and faster.
Hey there. I would go turbo 2. Most versatile of the lot. Super light and the best of all worlds. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
Thanks, I really appreciate your Input, I’m tall like you but a few years older, gym and HIIT as well but with other shoes. Keep up the great work
Thanks for the kind comments. Hope you can find a good fit. The turbo is great for racing too. I even used it on a half road half muddy hill race in October last year. Stay safe and keep running 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
What are the biggest differences between the zoom fly 3 and zoom turbo 2? I usually run shorter distances like 1-4 miles, more on the speedy side. I currently have the odyssey reacts only. I feel like getting the zoom fly 3 because I heard the carbon fiber plate is a huge advantage.
Hey did you got the zoom fly 3?? If you did, what's the size like, do they run true to size? And how are they for running
@@SK-jy9pw I got the zoom turbo 2s
@@donnynguyen do they run true to size, are they wide or too narrow
@@SK-jy9pw They are a little wide on the ankle part. Usually a little slipping on the heel part.
@@donnynguyen thanks man
Can someone please help me with the sizing for the Pegasus Turbo 2? For the Turbo 35 and Zoom Fly Flyknit, I had to choose US 9, but for Zoom Fly 3, I had to go to 8.5 US.
Hey Johy. I would suggest going for 8.5 US in this instance. The toebox and fit are generous in the peg turbo 2. Thanks for watching.
@@EDDBUD Thanks buddy.
@@EDDBUD Well Ed, I am more confused now with regards to Zoom Fly 3 I did say I got a 8.5 US, but I also got a 9, to try out. There is a thumb's width in front of my big toe in the 8.5 , a bit more in the 9, but I tend to think the 8.5 is a bit snug. Have not run in them. I need to return one of these after deciding on sizing. Any ideas?
@@johy2007 Sounds like you fall right between the sizes there. Thats a lot of width at the front of the shoe, that aside its a racer so too much space could be a hinderance. Lots of people are unsure on sizing here. I have a fair amount at the front of mine if its any help.
@@EDDBUD Thanks Ed. Will try them again this evening.
Hello. Which one do you think better to do the marathon in? ZF3 or Turbo 2? Thank you !
Actually the zoom fly 3. A much better shoe for longer miles. The turbo bottoms out after 12 or so miles for me. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
@@EDDBUD How much distance it takes for the zoomx foam started to lose it's feel
Hi Edd I would like to know how long does the zoomX padding last while still keeping its springiness
Also should I get a shoe with the carbon plate if I am a heel striker
Hello Eric. I have a pair of 4% with 170 miles and they are still very usable. Very cushioned and comfortable. They still respond to pace well. Many people say this shoe isn’t for heel strikers, but statistics and data shoe a huge number of runners during longer races move into a heel strike as they fatigue. Perhaps not the best option if you are heel striking from the off, but the foam itself provides exceptional impact protection and as I have mentioned before I feel this shoe can provide benefits to runners of any ability. The next is a more stable shoe than the 4% which to me wasn’t as suitable for feel striking. Hope this helps Eric. Thanks for watching. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Eric I miss read the comment location. The turbo is a great shoe for any strike. I have almost no breakdown of the foam around 190 miles in my pair of peg 35 turbos. My previous comment refers to the Vaporfly.
Peg turbo 2 is one of my fav shoes this year. 👍🏼
Thank you Edd i will definitely look into buying the Peg turbo 2 then
my soles came off in 3 months ...not buying another pair of turbos
Have you tried the new Pegasus 37s? You’re thoughts compared to turbo 2&zf3
Yes tried the peg 37. Turbo 2 far better and more versatile. Don’t like the full React in the midsole of the 37.
Thanks for watching 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Much to my surprise, and disappointment, I've just returned my Turbo 2s as I just couldn't get on with them. Struggled to feel locked into them without the upper and tongue really wrinkling up and pressing on the top of my foot.I feel like my foot is slipping around in them and I think maybe the minimal heel padding is not helping. I'm wondering if half a size down from my usual UK9 might be better? I had high hopes for these shoes - I really like the original Turbos, with a couple of reservations, but the new version just doesn't feel quite right.
Sad to hear they didn’t fit well. Mine are like a glove. Though roomy in the toes they are extremely comfortable. Perhaps half size down could work? I found the lacing system to be excellent and provided really good forefoot lock. Hope you can resize and they will work for you. 👍🏼
This is my dilemma...I go for a Tempo run or intervals and usually do a 3K WU and CD at slow paces...I love doing the speedwork in my Zoomfly's but really do not like how they feel at the slow paces. I cannot really carry an extra pair of shoes with me so I usually just slog it out at slow paces in the Zoomflys...BUT...The Turbo2 is much better for doing both of these well.
Hey Monte. Thanks for watching. I had a good session this evening in the Peg turbo 2. They nailed it for me, great in-between and for the warm up / down. Managed near 5k pace for the intervals. I think the zoom fly 4 for me will be reserved for the tempo and threshold efforts for now. 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD I also ran a speed session in the Turbo2 this evening, Two sets of 30/30 Fartleks with 30 seconds at 3k pace (3:55/K) and 30 easy for 2 miles per set. The T2's were great, I usually take out the ZoomFly's for this type of workout but tonight was especially nice to warm up cool down for 3k in the T2's instead of the ZoomFlys.
I'm using the zoomfly sp rn, I'm looking to switch. Which one should i get? Thanks :D
Ohhh a good question. I like these!
Avoid the zoom fly 3. Not a good shoe. Have you considered the carbon x? Similar in feel to the upper to the zoom fly, though the sp has a more transparent mesh doesn’t it?
Do you want similar feel to the upper or to the underfoot feel? Hope I can help. 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
Excellent review
Many thanks for watching and commenting Nathalie. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
which one would be the best for running 4 - 6 miles a day at 7:40 a mile and some faster stuff sometimes
Turbo is my fav shoe from that year. Better versatility. Thanks for tuning in 😊👍🏃♂️
@@EDDBUD thanks for answering, i just ordered a pair
How would you rate ultraboost compared to these 2 trainers?
Both are much lighter. More dense cushion in the ub20 but the turbo is super light in comparison in my sizes. The zoom fly 3 has the plate but I found it somewhat clunky. The turbo is one of my favourite shoes. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
@@EDDBUD thanks for your response! I bought the Zoom Fly SP Fast which has a carbon infused nylon plate. Do you know how much difference the full carbon plate gives? I've just started running 5k due to the lockdown and the zoom fly sp are good but stiffer than I expected and my ankle joint aches after using these.
The zoom fly originals was always more snappy with the cushion midsole. The react changes the feel in my opinion.
Lets say if I want to make a purchase for a good running shoe and just one (for fast running or a shoe that can help me to push more or improve my running pace). What shoe would you recommend (I have a bit wide feets)
Hey Sidkaul, the turbo would be my choice. It’s the most versatile and will let you run quickly. It’s durable and light. Best option if that’s why your after. Thanks for tuning in and stay safe 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
EDDBUD when you say turbo , you mean turbo 2 or the previous turbos ??
Thanks again for your reply and time
Either will do the job. The turbo 2 has a tad more room in the toebox if you need width. Hope this helps buddy. Stay safe 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
@@EDDBUD thank you again and also as they are on somewhat sale today and I can see my size, I will be ordering them. If by any chance I don't like the fit, I can always return them. Thanks and stay safe
Excellent vid 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Valve Amp Comparison! :D
If i already have a Pegasus turbo 1 aka Pegasus 35 turbo, is it worth getting the turbo 2 over the zf 3 for speed work or tempo runs?
Thanks for watching. Depending upon how many miles you have in the turbo 1 I would stick with that. The ZF3 is a good shoe but won’t give you much more. Consider the cheaper ZF flyknit instead 👍🏼😊
So peg turbo 2 is better
Really moving tonight in the turbos doing some intervals. 🏃🏻♂️🔥👍🏼
I don't like either...both have too little heel lock down....and ZF3 too heavy
Thanks for commenting Dave. All opinions valid. That ZF3 defiantly could use some weight reduction. 👍🏼
ZF3 is way too heavy for my liking, Pegasus Turbo 2 is to overpriced. Better off paying extra $70 for Next %.
Hey Thanks for commenting. The turbo 2 is a better shoe now. More versatile and better lockdown. Your right it is a bit pricey still. Tempted by the flyknit next %. 🤩
Be careful, you're house may be invaded from all the shoes people want reviewed. Ive got the original Zoom Fly on order, seeing how it works out, as I didn't have a good time with the Pegasus 35.....last chance saloon for Nike!!
What can I say. I love shoes, and I love a good comparison video, be it shoes, guitars or HiFi gear. 😂
I know the feeling....*Looks at shelf with 3 versions of NB Zante, 2 versions of NB 1080, NB 1400v6, NB Fuelcore 5000, Reebok Floatride Energy, Sauncony Freedom ISO, NB Gobi v2, NB Beacon v1, Pegasus 35*
😂 I have too many it’s true. 😂
pegasus turbo 2
better in slow days
very light
more energy to get to good paces
more versatile more natural when changing pace
Lack stability and support very flexible and not much structure
Not able to go to long distance
zoom fly 3
faster you push the shoe the faster you can run
Do not handle a slower pace
more rigid and support apart from heel area lesser response in the toe area
Not able to go long distance
Quite heavy
Better for racing
Did my research welcome yalls
Just also scored some zoom fly 3 for 43.99 USD
With this value you cant loose! 👍😊🏃♂️
u lucky barsted
I'm subscribing because of the humor. HHAHAHA
Glad your loving it! 👍🏼🤣
@@EDDBUD hahahah