@Courtney Mears I've worked with these horses for years. Breeding them for horrible conformation and further hollowing their backs is indeed abusive. Same with the tail setting and awful farrier practices we take part in. Or the fact we keep the show horses in stalls for ungodly amounts of hours. Funny how once they get more exercise and don't have their heads restricted that their gaits still have animation but are much more relaxed and extended. Saddlebreds anatomy isn't special. It's just an excuse saddlebred people make so they can avoid criticism.
@Courtney Mears to perform in saddleseat the horses back will be hollow. That is why/how they stick their heads straight up. You can see that their legs move more behind them instead of directly underneath them which is a symptom of the hollowing and necessary to get that amount of animation. The saddleseat horse has no extension therefore he is hollow. This is all biomechanics. There is no natural moving saddleseat or country english pleasure horse that is winning. Otherwise they wouldn't need draw reins etc. And I really doubt the farrier practices are that great since I've been told that by a lot of saddlebred girls and when I looked they had extremely long toes and sometimes chopped heels. Flat shod doesn't mean balanced. But in the instance that yours actually are decent then good job on not giving into the demand. It's a discipline based solely on cosmetics. It doesn't really demonstrate any sort of skill and is overall boring to watch. Hence why I quit and moved onto disciplines that required a lot more of me. I think our definitions of enough pasture time are probably very different. Most people only let theirs out for a few hours usually not even every day. Naturally horses only sleep two hours a day so technically they shouldn't really be kept in stalls at all. Especially considering they're over a thousand pounds and being kept in boxes smaller than the human bedroom. Horses that psychologically deteriorate will tend to sleep more however. Just like in humans.
@Courtney Mears right because hollow backs and unsustainable movement isn't abuse. It's not that saddleseat people aren't abusive, they just have extremely low standards. They're delusional and don't have the balls or talent to participate in real horsemanship. So instead they hollow their horses and breed them for terrible conformation so they can stomp around a ring for a few minutes. They're just about the most useless ones in the industry, both them and their horses. It's extremely hard to rehabilitate a saddle seat horse, one that is bred for champion-level animation. Meaning they have terrible conformation.
@Courtney Mears dont do what? Hollow them? Learn biomechanics. You can't get that much animation without a hollow back. If the spine is in a U shape then it's hollow. You can see it in literally every video of saddle seat. Biomechanics are not debatable. You can say you don't do this stuff all you want, but it is a lie and you're either in denial or have a very poor understanding of how the horse is built. There is no excuse. The industry is just telling another girl nice things so she can look pretty and they can get her money. They're talented manipulators that's for sure. Breeding and training horses for inefficient and unoptimal movement is abuse. If you expect me to out myself potentially in front of people I used to work with then you're an idiot. How do you think I make money? I'm brave enough to speak out, but not financially stable enough to be safe to commit myself to it wholely. Though if you're a saddleseat girl or horse girl in general you've probably never had to deal with that. Your world is rose-tinted even though you think it isn't. Your horse's sure isn't though. Stuff is boring as hell for him. But sure I'm sure he loves stamping around a ring and getting irregular muscling Horse girls are so used to their petty arguments without the actual desparation involved with survival. And yes, you can very much tell based on how someone talks
Ilse, if you are outside North America or South Africa that’s probably the case that they are hard to find. I live in Florida and adopted my beautiful ASB from Saddlebred Rescue in New Jersey from an internet video. Best decision I ever made. He will be 21 in May, old enough to drink. He moves more like these dressage guys, not high kneed, and he’s the bravest trail horse you could ever have. In the ASB world, we call horses like my Buddy “the sport horse type.” He’s 100% ASB, registered, and has excellent bloodlines but he’s not a super showy saddleseat type.
th-cam.com/video/N8HK9v9P20M/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared Watch this Akhal teke! Tell me… Modern Saddlebred no different of sport horse Beautiful horse, I’m surprised Akhal tekes in their similar phonotyoe in some ways ti saddlebreds and surprising how more saddlebreds aren’t considered. Both are sensitive. Quick, alert, flexible movement, both contain lots of endurance, both have smoother quicker strides, athletic, both want to please, and share similar basic anatomy. Akhal tekes are very loyal they say more one person horse I’ve heard. He seems very intuned to her and very intelligent. Both breeds like to keep their mind occupied and like to stay active while getting bored easily. Most saddlebreds are more independent minded. Treasure however was a very one person horse and oddly looked like an Akhal teke. Easily misunderstood by most yet she was the most loyal out of most of the saddlebreds. Other than my mare and oddly saddlebreds get the same criticism the turkoman used to recieve back in Europe during the Thorougbreds development. Both horses are long in every single way. Both have a slender slightly arched head profile that is narrow, both have a higher set neck and slender often “Ewy neck” naturally. Both have long backs. Both are narrow chested yet set high with their legs close together and long flank area, which is very distinct in the Akhal teke. When I see some of the posts of the few saddlebreds in eventing they really do look almost the same. Both are long slender legged with long hind legs with a long area between the knee and hip. One thing that sets them apart is Althought they have similar features “Akhal tekes backs are very distinct almost board like”. You can see their spine go all the way through their back. Saddlebreds also have long backs but have a less straight appearance. A saddlebreds usually high set tail with more expressive eyes and refined curious looking ears. A saddlebred can go endlessly. They desire to please and will do anything asked of them with very little pressure once they understand what you want. Saddlebreds can be easily mishandled . Not like the Akhal teke which any hot and sensitive breed requires understanding. The newer saddlebreds some oddly have more Akhal teke look then others. Oddly dna tests are showing up with more Turk in the saddlebred randomly and wonder if it could all be linked to the later Arabian influence later. Many Marwari handlers / owners talk about how similar saddlebreds are to them. Marwaris and Kathiawaris both have Arabian, Turk, pony lines, and some Barb. The barn I rode at an all saddlebred barn had one mare that looked very similar to the Akhal teke I met at the Kentucky horse park and she has a new saddlebred that actually does look like an Akhal teke. He’s young. So sweet but he doesn’t have the “old style skinnier version of the thoroughbred look nor the more five gaited build of the thicker older fashion saddlebreds “. Treasure had a very Morgan likeness to her yet I noted how odd she looks in her older years. Yes saddlebreds Stand in stalls all the time for show barns and most people never tell you how they feel. Many don’t tell you how many people tell you how hot and crazy they are, if it weren’t for saddleseat they’d go with a quarter horse,. An often talented underlooked / over looked breed of horse. Anyone would tell you wit those horses I got to meet. There isn’t anything they can’t do, they have so much more potential then they’ve been given credit for. They get the same hate the turkoman once got in the 16-18 hundreds. The most famous Akhal teke winner in Europe was first “mocked extensively by those around him, until he became a champion in his field”. Even then they believed his horse was the exception. Thank God we revived them , what a beautiful horse we would have missed if we didn’t put the work into discovering them again and reviving this beautiful mark into history. Oldest phono type in the world they say. No horse like them. Only an oddly unspoken influence to their very very long distant descendants. One beside the Thoroughbred is oddly the saddlebred . Even if most of their traits are from the Thoroughbred, the Thoroughbred does so oddly scream Akhal teke / Turk in its very build and movement . It’s crazy they tried to hide it all with Arabian
This is what I'd like to see every saddlebred moving like 😌
the rack is a natural hair given to the 5 gaited saddlebreds.
what do you mean? What about saddle seat and stuff?
@@usosweethe well the original comment was being salty about saddleseat horses not moving like this.
saddlebreds are literally bred for saddleseat. If anything, it’s meant for them. Especially with their natural head set.
@@usosweethe yay finally sombody who knows what they are talking about
So beautiful. They are natural born dancers... If only we could allow them to be this natural all the time
American Saddlebred horses in dressage....the ultimate package of beauty, athleticism, style and horse-rider harmony.
I like seeing these horses used for more than hollow backs and smashing their feet on the ground.
@Courtney Mears I've worked with these horses for years. Breeding them for horrible conformation and further hollowing their backs is indeed abusive. Same with the tail setting and awful farrier practices we take part in. Or the fact we keep the show horses in stalls for ungodly amounts of hours. Funny how once they get more exercise and don't have their heads restricted that their gaits still have animation but are much more relaxed and extended. Saddlebreds anatomy isn't special. It's just an excuse saddlebred people make so they can avoid criticism.
@Courtney Mears to perform in saddleseat the horses back will be hollow. That is why/how they stick their heads straight up. You can see that their legs move more behind them instead of directly underneath them which is a symptom of the hollowing and necessary to get that amount of animation. The saddleseat horse has no extension therefore he is hollow. This is all biomechanics. There is no natural moving saddleseat or country english pleasure horse that is winning. Otherwise they wouldn't need draw reins etc.
And I really doubt the farrier practices are that great since I've been told that by a lot of saddlebred girls and when I looked they had extremely long toes and sometimes chopped heels. Flat shod doesn't mean balanced. But in the instance that yours actually are decent then good job on not giving into the demand.
It's a discipline based solely on cosmetics. It doesn't really demonstrate any sort of skill and is overall boring to watch. Hence why I quit and moved onto disciplines that required a lot more of me.
I think our definitions of enough pasture time are probably very different. Most people only let theirs out for a few hours usually not even every day. Naturally horses only sleep two hours a day so technically they shouldn't really be kept in stalls at all. Especially considering they're over a thousand pounds and being kept in boxes smaller than the human bedroom. Horses that psychologically deteriorate will tend to sleep more however. Just like in humans.
I thought animal abuse was a thing of the past
But it's still practiced I guess
All for amusement
I guess they are JUST animals eh
@Courtney Mears right because hollow backs and unsustainable movement isn't abuse. It's not that saddleseat people aren't abusive, they just have extremely low standards. They're delusional and don't have the balls or talent to participate in real horsemanship. So instead they hollow their horses and breed them for terrible conformation so they can stomp around a ring for a few minutes.
They're just about the most useless ones in the industry, both them and their horses. It's extremely hard to rehabilitate a saddle seat horse, one that is bred for champion-level animation. Meaning they have terrible conformation.
@Courtney Mears dont do what? Hollow them? Learn biomechanics. You can't get that much animation without a hollow back. If the spine is in a U shape then it's hollow. You can see it in literally every video of saddle seat. Biomechanics are not debatable. You can say you don't do this stuff all you want, but it is a lie and you're either in denial or have a very poor understanding of how the horse is built. There is no excuse. The industry is just telling another girl nice things so she can look pretty and they can get her money. They're talented manipulators that's for sure. Breeding and training horses for inefficient and unoptimal movement is abuse.
If you expect me to out myself potentially in front of people I used to work with then you're an idiot. How do you think I make money? I'm brave enough to speak out, but not financially stable enough to be safe to commit myself to it wholely. Though if you're a saddleseat girl or horse girl in general you've probably never had to deal with that. Your world is rose-tinted even though you think it isn't. Your horse's sure isn't though. Stuff is boring as hell for him. But sure I'm sure he loves stamping around a ring and getting irregular muscling
Horse girls are so used to their petty arguments without the actual desparation involved with survival. And yes, you can very much tell based on how someone talks
Omg I didn’t realize how amazing they are at dressage I’m obsessed what
Can you please do as saddlebreds jumping please
Stay tuned to Valley View Farms BC this Fall for some exciting opportunities with this versatile breed.
i really like this breed, but it is hard to get where i´m from i believe
Ilse, if you are outside North America or South Africa that’s probably the case that they are hard to find. I live in Florida and adopted my beautiful ASB from Saddlebred Rescue in New Jersey from an internet video. Best decision I ever made. He will be 21 in May, old enough to drink. He moves more like these dressage guys, not high kneed, and he’s the bravest trail horse you could ever have. In the ASB world, we call horses like my Buddy “the sport horse type.” He’s 100% ASB, registered, and has excellent bloodlines but he’s not a super showy saddleseat type.
th-cam.com/video/N8HK9v9P20M/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Watch this Akhal teke!
Tell me… Modern Saddlebred no different of sport horse
Beautiful horse, I’m surprised Akhal tekes in their similar phonotyoe in some ways ti saddlebreds and surprising how more saddlebreds aren’t considered. Both are sensitive. Quick, alert, flexible movement, both contain lots of endurance, both have smoother quicker strides, athletic, both want to please, and share similar basic anatomy. Akhal tekes are very loyal they say more one person horse I’ve heard.
He seems very intuned to her and very intelligent. Both breeds like to keep their mind occupied and like to stay active while getting bored easily. Most saddlebreds are more independent minded. Treasure however was a very one person horse and oddly looked like an Akhal teke. Easily misunderstood by most yet she was the most loyal out of most of the saddlebreds. Other than my mare and oddly saddlebreds get the same criticism the turkoman used to recieve back in Europe during the Thorougbreds development.
Both horses are long in every single way. Both have a slender slightly arched head profile that is narrow, both have a higher set neck and slender often “Ewy neck” naturally. Both have long backs. Both are narrow chested yet set high with their legs close together and long flank area, which is very distinct in the Akhal teke. When I see some of the posts of the few saddlebreds in eventing they really do look almost the same. Both are long slender legged with long hind legs with a long area between the knee and hip.
One thing that sets them apart is Althought they have similar features “Akhal tekes backs are very distinct almost board like”. You can see their spine go all the way through their back. Saddlebreds also have long backs but have a less straight appearance. A saddlebreds usually high set tail with more expressive eyes and refined curious looking ears. A saddlebred can go endlessly. They desire to please and will do anything asked of them with very little pressure once they understand what you want.
Saddlebreds can be easily mishandled . Not like the Akhal teke which any hot and sensitive breed requires understanding. The newer saddlebreds some oddly have more Akhal teke look then others. Oddly dna tests are showing up with more Turk in the saddlebred randomly and wonder if it could all be linked to the later Arabian influence later. Many Marwari handlers / owners talk about how similar saddlebreds are to them. Marwaris and Kathiawaris both have Arabian, Turk, pony lines, and some Barb.
The barn I rode at an all saddlebred barn had one mare that looked very similar to the Akhal teke I met at the Kentucky horse park and she has a new saddlebred that actually does look like an Akhal teke. He’s young. So sweet but he doesn’t have the “old style skinnier version of the thoroughbred look nor the more five gaited build of the thicker older fashion saddlebreds “. Treasure had a very Morgan likeness to her yet I noted how odd she looks in her older years. Yes saddlebreds Stand in stalls all the time for show barns and most people never tell you how they feel. Many don’t tell you how many people tell you how hot and crazy they are, if it weren’t for saddleseat they’d go with a quarter horse,. An often talented underlooked / over looked breed of horse.
Anyone would tell you wit those horses I got to meet. There isn’t anything they can’t do, they have so much more potential then they’ve been given credit for. They get the same hate the turkoman once got in the 16-18 hundreds. The most famous Akhal teke winner in Europe was first “mocked extensively by those around him, until he became a champion in his field”. Even then they believed his horse was the exception.
Thank God we revived them , what a beautiful horse we would have missed if we didn’t put the work into discovering them again and reviving this beautiful mark into history. Oldest phono type in the world they say. No horse like them. Only an oddly unspoken influence to their very very long distant descendants.
One beside the Thoroughbred is oddly the saddlebred . Even if most of their traits are from the Thoroughbred, the Thoroughbred does so oddly scream Akhal teke / Turk in its very build and movement . It’s crazy they tried to hide it all with Arabian