The only thing you moved was 0.012" of seating depth and the groups opened that much? Is it possible the barrel/chamber/lead heated and caused the change? I tested like this but I started with the bullet nose being etched by the rifling and moved 0.010" per group letting the rifle cool between each....On a similar thought....I have taken "shot out" barrels and increased the COAL and got them to shoot again....which I guess proves your point!. Have fun, G.
Very good shooting! However, when i'm testing a new load or the c.o.a.l. I shoot a 'round robin' as i was told. In basic terms. If you have 4 lots of different c.o.a.l rounds, i shoot 1 from each going round to the 4th, then start again. I was told it was due to the barrel heating up equally between different rounds. Although, in fairness, there seems to be a good breeze, and you have a nice heavy varmint barrel. I hope that makes sense? But nothing can take away from the fact that you are a great shot! I have the same rifle and calibre, but a have an S111 Sightron. Nice scope, but i hate the round centre reticle dot, as i prefer a cross... Well done you!
I agree. COAL groups would be more believable had he shot in "round Robin", or allow the barrel to cool down sufficiently before shooting the next group.
Ray Hart no, there was some powder charge testing first. Grouping best with a COAL of 2.290" didn't surprise me. I found that that's my rifle's preferred COAL a while ago
Is 2.290 just into the lands and the others just out of the lands? I dont normally see that much difference unless the bullet is coming into or out of the lands? Just curious. Good shooting!
I crimp all my loads now just seams I get much better grouping 👍did you manage to give them 40g black tip varms ago mate with the hornet. I not looked back after using them . Hitting 3" disc at 275 yard no problem . 12.6 lil gun . Oal 1.880 👍 after a crimp 1.882. Why it moves a not shore but seams to be fine . Do you know why it moves ? Or even if it should move . It's not giving me any problem so it's fine 👍
There must be a name for people who are addicted to developing loads mate lol. I've a shed load of .243 ammo we need to plink off at innocent fruit and veg sometime when I get back.
Pointofimpact TV sounds good. Look forward to it! Glad I found a decent load with Vhit 135. Think this will do for some long range corvid control at the farm. Seems to be loads of crows about. I think they need baiting up
You should grab the bolt handle when opening the action, rather that ridiculous straight finger method you're using. Some day you'll be hunting in the cold or rain, and your hand will slip completely off the bolt when you're trying to open it, allowing a dangerous animal to get to you.
If he was using a step barrel mage by 411Tactical, Inc heat would not be an issue. Every cartridge had an accurate seating depth per a specific powder charge. Once you find it your groups will stay small. Have a great day!
It would be interesting if you do the test again but started in reverse order. That barrel and especially the silencer gets hot fast and can affect the result. I notice a wider spread with my 6.5x55swe and silencer after just 6-7 rounds. Usually when hunting my barrel cools enough between shots to maintain accuracy.
Everyone has the same opinion and rightly so. You need to let the barrel cool in between groups. But I would guess the longer oal would be the more accurate of the three.
Your stock weld is not muscularly relaxed . You need to allow the full weight of your head to rest upon the stock. Your stock weld causes inconsistent sight alignment. It appears you need a taller stock pack or a lower scope mount. At any rate, seating depth may have a profound effect on accuracy. With the bullet jumping to the lands there's a certainty the bullets axis and axis of bore will not coincide; thus, after the bullet leaves the bore it will wobble until it's back on its own axis, kind of like what happens when a common child's spinning top toy is initially spun, it wobbles until it's on its own axis. Now, if a cartridge is long enough to engage the lands this still does not insure the bullet's axis and bore axis will coincide if the lands are worn or if they were not precisely cut, forged, or buttoned. All of these scenarios make it necessary to shoot loadings as much as Ten Thousandths in the lands or as much as Ten Thousandths off the lands. My match conditioned commercial equivalent of the M16-A2 which I shoot in NRA 1000 yard competitions, Service Rifle Division, shoots best with 80 grain Bergers set Ten Thousandths off the lands even though Berger suggests Ten Thousandths in the lands. Now, thing is, most folks do not have the marksmanship skill to recognize a "best" handload among others. That's to say, a shooter may be better off shooting factory match ammunition for a basis of accuracy appraisal, comparing it to handloads rather than comparing handloads to other handloads. One more thing, you need to call your shots and record both the call and the strike in your data book to have any sense for the cause of shooter error or ammunition performance.
TriggerPullTV you can favor each round for wind and weather conditions. Typically a 10 mph full value wind will displace M 193 or M 855 about 1.4 inches at one hundred yards.
There is a variable I don't think you are taking into account. In your first group you were basically shooting with a COLD BARREL. As your barrel heated up, your groups will open up because the barrel heating is not perfectly uniform.
Sheesh!!! This guy spends sooo much time aligning his eye to the reticle to the target!! I've got my scope, cheek weld set up so all I have to do is make sure I place cheek in the same location, with the same force and voila' I'm in alignment. No jostling my head around to get things aligned. There's a guy on TH-cam, Ryan Glockner, Glickner (?) that shows how to set up your scope, cheek pad etc. Excellent video that this guy should watch. And yeah, he basically slaps the trigger! Not how I was taught for sure!
The target would cause you to believe that seating depth makes a huge difference. I'm not arguing for or against that statement. I would like to know how much of the difference is shooter induced.
SuperFrasman only in magazine fed rifles. The maximum length for them to feed reliably from say a ar15 magazine is 2.260. Bolt guns can go much longer.
Not letting the barrel cool down and shooting round after round like that determines group size also .
true on that, thats why i start and finish with the same load when comparing
Can't believe he can hit anything with that trigger technique
MLGASFUDGE nor with the button 7" below his shoulder. Good shooting though.
makes little difference shooting prone ... that trigger slap must be abysmal shooting offhand or even kneeling.
You’re all just jealous… Just admit it LOL... I know I am
The only thing you moved was 0.012" of seating depth and the groups opened that much? Is it possible the barrel/chamber/lead heated and caused the change? I tested like this but I started with the bullet nose being etched by the rifling and moved 0.010" per group letting the rifle cool between each....On a similar thought....I have taken "shot out" barrels and increased the COAL and got them to shoot again....which I guess proves your point!. Have fun, G.
Mlgasfudge your right, his trigger squeeze needs improvement
Very good shooting! However, when i'm testing a new load or the c.o.a.l. I shoot a 'round robin' as i was told. In basic terms. If you have 4 lots of different c.o.a.l rounds, i shoot 1 from each going round to the 4th, then start again. I was told it was due to the barrel heating up equally between different rounds. Although, in fairness, there seems to be a good breeze, and you have a nice heavy varmint barrel. I hope that makes sense? But nothing can take away from the fact that you are a great shot! I have the same rifle and calibre, but a have an S111 Sightron. Nice scope, but i hate the round centre reticle dot, as i prefer a cross... Well done you!
I agree. COAL groups would be more believable had he shot in "round Robin", or allow the barrel to cool down sufficiently before shooting the next group.
Dang you should be honored you have a bunch of pros commenting on your video!!! Lol
Looks like found the correct depth mate . Was that the first batch or tried a few ! 👍
Ray Hart no, there was some powder charge testing first. Grouping best with a COAL of 2.290" didn't surprise me. I found that that's my rifle's preferred COAL a while ago
Is 2.290 just into the lands and the others just out of the lands? I dont normally see that much difference unless the bullet is coming into or out of the lands?
Just curious. Good shooting!
I crimp all my loads now just seams I get much better grouping 👍did you manage to give them 40g black tip varms ago mate with the hornet. I not looked back after using them . Hitting 3" disc at 275 yard no problem . 12.6 lil gun . Oal 1.880 👍 after a crimp 1.882. Why it moves a not shore but seams to be fine . Do you know why it moves ? Or even if it should move . It's not giving me any problem so it's fine 👍
Nope I’ve noticed no difference in grouping with barrel seating depth
There must be a name for people who are addicted to developing loads mate lol. I've a shed load of .243 ammo we need to plink off at innocent fruit and veg sometime when I get back.
Pointofimpact TV sounds good. Look forward to it! Glad I found a decent load with Vhit 135. Think this will do for some long range corvid control at the farm. Seems to be loads of crows about. I think they need baiting up
We need to get up to that pheasant shoot and blow some corvids away too
Pointofimpact TV Definitely! Just need to borrow your chrono to confirm fps for this load. Thinking it'll be around 3,100fps
Some of the "expert" comments on here! 🤣🤣🤣
shooting into rocks ???????????????
Slap the trigger much??? Yikes
You should grab the bolt handle when opening the action, rather that ridiculous straight finger method you're using. Some day you'll be hunting in the cold or rain, and your hand will slip completely off the bolt when you're trying to open it, allowing a dangerous animal to get to you.
In the U.K.?
I use the middle finger lmao
Dude ur slapping the trigger.
Bloody hell, you’re not wrong 😂
If he was using a step barrel mage by 411Tactical, Inc heat would not be an issue. Every cartridge had an accurate seating depth per a specific powder charge. Once you find it your groups will stay small. Have a great day!
It would be interesting if you do the test again but started in reverse order. That barrel and especially the silencer gets hot fast and can affect the result.
I notice a wider spread with my 6.5x55swe and silencer after just 6-7 rounds. Usually when hunting my barrel cools enough between shots to maintain accuracy.
Everyone has the same opinion and rightly so.
You need to let the barrel cool in between groups.
But I would guess the longer oal would be the more accurate of the three.
Your stock weld is not muscularly relaxed . You need to allow the full weight of your head to rest upon the stock. Your stock weld causes inconsistent sight alignment. It appears you need a taller stock pack or a lower scope mount. At any rate, seating depth may have a profound effect on accuracy. With the bullet jumping to the lands there's a certainty the bullets axis and axis of bore will not coincide; thus, after the bullet leaves the bore it will wobble until it's back on its own axis, kind of like what happens when a common child's spinning top toy is initially spun, it wobbles until it's on its own axis. Now, if a cartridge is long enough to engage the lands this still does not insure the bullet's axis and bore axis will coincide if the lands are worn or if they were not precisely cut, forged, or buttoned. All of these scenarios make it necessary to shoot loadings as much as Ten Thousandths in the lands or as much as Ten Thousandths off the lands. My match conditioned commercial equivalent of the M16-A2 which I shoot in NRA 1000 yard competitions, Service Rifle Division, shoots best with 80 grain Bergers set Ten Thousandths off the lands even though Berger suggests Ten Thousandths in the lands. Now, thing is, most folks do not have the marksmanship skill to recognize a "best" handload among others. That's to say, a shooter may be better off shooting factory match ammunition for a basis of accuracy appraisal, comparing it to handloads rather than comparing handloads to other handloads. One more thing, you need to call your shots and record both the call and the strike in your data book to have any sense for the cause of shooter error or ammunition performance.
Shooting against a hand made stone wall......😮
Seems like all that wind would be effecting the group size.
Is it a good idea testing out reload rounds for bullet jump in such windy conditions?? I just feel that wouldn't be very consistent
Ideally, but some times it's just always windy. Especially where I shoot
TriggerPullTV you can favor each round for wind and weather conditions. Typically a 10 mph full value wind will displace M 193 or M 855 about 1.4 inches at one hundred yards.
Nothing has affected group sizes on my handloads more signficantly than seating depth.
With my rifle I shot several different seat depth loads noticed zero difference
:tries to look cool catching every case
:drops every last one
BBBAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAA
There is a variable I don't think you are taking into account. In your first group you were basically shooting with a COLD BARREL. As your barrel heated up, your groups will open up because the barrel heating is not perfectly uniform.
Sheesh!!! This guy spends sooo much time aligning his eye to the reticle to the target!!
I've got my scope, cheek weld set up so all I have to do is make sure I place cheek in the same location, with the same force and voila' I'm in alignment. No jostling my head around to get things aligned.
There's a guy on TH-cam, Ryan Glockner, Glickner (?)
that shows how to set up your scope, cheek pad etc.
Excellent video that this guy should watch.
And yeah, he basically slaps the trigger! Not how I was taught for sure!
Ryan cleckner
So how far off the lans was the first, second and third group set? Did you forget to supply what your question begged?
Nope. He had an overall length value, but no info on the distance from ogive to rifle lands.
Uggggggggg, another youtube video where the poster dosent bother getting a windscreen for the camera. Couldnt get past the wind noise, sorry, byeee.
wonder how long your backstop will last?
not a good practice to smash up a dry stone wall
Ryan Darby probably doesn't matter as much when you own them ;-)
I prefer to test loads on non-windy days
Why do you keep lifting your head? Do you need a little more height to your stock?
What is trigger control?
You can see the difference as the barrel warms even with the different bullet seats .
I have found that using a powder that fills up the case creating a compressed load and the Lee factory crimp greatly improve accuracy.
Uhm...too low stock, trigger finger, barrel/surpressor cooling, windy...hmmmm, at least you had a great time shooting 😉
How much wind are you dealing with. Why did ur.load walk down.most time the loads will rise as barrel heats ????????
Trying to catch the ejecting case isnt really working for ya is it
Hi just found your channel, good videos if I move back to the uk hope I can take my rifles as well.
Need to let the barrel and can cool down. It's a big factor.
Wind sucks for proving a load
Along with heat the gun got dirtier after every shot
Why are we not hearing bullets ricocheting
John Giff combination of two things: 1. Soft sandstone 2. Highly frangible bullets designed for instant fragmentation
John Giff even with Berger 230 OTM HYBRID bullets in my 300WM, you wouldn't get ricochets from that...
Poor wall
What was the COAL of a cartridge touching the lands?
Paul Passat 2.290"
TriggerPullTV cheers
The target would cause you to believe that seating depth makes a huge difference. I'm not arguing for or against that statement. I would like to know how much of the difference is shooter induced.
Isn't the maximum COAL for the .223 supposed to be 2.260 inches ?
SuperFrasman only in magazine fed rifles. The maximum length for them to feed reliably from say a ar15 magazine is 2.260. Bolt guns can go much longer.
It's COL, not COAL. As used in describing the cartridge length, overall is used, not over all. Cartridge Overall Length
Great shooting and example of O.A.C.L . Please wear safety glasses when shooting, your craft depends on your eyes.