The Soviet WW3 Plan to Cut Europe in Half - Seven Days to the Rhine
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Only revealed in 2005, the once top-secret "Seven Days to the River Rhine" allegedly exposed the Warsaw Pact's plan to win a nuclear World War III against the NATO powers boarding the Iron Curtain during the Cold War. In the military simulation, it was thought that NATO would actually be the first to strike, hitting Poland and Czechoslovakia with tactical nuclear weapons in an effort to cut off East Germany in advance of a NATO invasion. To counter, Seven Days to the River Rhine prescribed an aggressive response. Nearly 200 nuclear bombs, including some up to 500-kilotons, would rain down West Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Italy as the Warsaw Pact sought to push the Iron Curtain to the Rhine River...
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Jay Blake .... the combined NATO had enough military force in Europe to prevent a walk over should the Soviets attack. But never enough military strength to go east except as a spoiling attack.
Nobody wins WW3.
I genuinely wonder what they thought what would happen if the USA got involved in that makeshift nuclear Holocaust. I mean. Look at Japan. I'm not sure Russia would be standing currently.
Toasted Orange .... My thought is the Generals and politicians who plan these things think in WW2 terms. That a nuclear weapon is just another, more powerful, explosive. They ignore that once the threshold of nuclear weapons use is crossed the USA and NATO is going to respond and it will escalate to a thousand nuclear bombs being detonated
@Jay Blake
Dark Docs still skirting over Germ warfare by Japan prior and during WW-III.
Soviets nuke literally half of Europe killing millions of people and eradicating cities from the maps forever
Also Soviets: "Boy i hope that doesnt trigger France and the UK"
"And their allies" (nervously glances across ocean)
Well, what type of world would it be for a person of the soviet union if there is no soviet union (literally, due to being nuked)? It would only be logical for the soviet union to retaliate. Its like, if a person comes to you and punches you in the nose, you don't bend over with your pants down, you pop the guy.
I'm pretty sure the nuclear fallout would be seen as an attack by France and the UK.
Lmao
To be fair the plan was based on a NATO first strike so by the time the WP dropped them NATO would have already killed millions of poles. Not saying their judgement was realistic, but it makes more sense from their point of view!
4:15 the berlin wall fell on the 9th November 1989, not 1986
Tim Smits yeah it bugged me as soon as they said that. I don’t like when videos about history make mistakes like that those aren’t minor
He makes a lot of these little mistakes. I approach him like Wikipedia - I'm just here for the big picture.
416loren yeah that’s how I tend to feel to. Then you got good ol Dr. Felton
@@jacobleukus6930 Mark Felton productions are indeed fantastic short documentaries on a variety of subjects, WWII and others. He has a PhD in history, so I put a lot of stock in his excellent work.
EXPOSED EXPOSED
Switzerland just sitting in the middle of everything...
7 days to the river rhine was about as realistic as every 6th graders plan to get rich.
I see information is your kryptonite...
Except that 6th Graders don't have access to Nuclear Weapons (we hope!).
@@kiwitrainguy Even if they did so would others so if a 6th grader would decide to throw nukes to get their way they'wd get nukes thrown at them in return
😂good one. The Soviet plan would backfire. They would have vastly underestimated NATO’s resolve in my opinion.
Yeah there plan would get halted in somewhere let's say Dortmund
I am a veteran of the cold war.
The cold war kept me in work for twenty years.
I was assigned to the 762nd Radar Squadron at N. Truro AFS MA.
During an exercise that was a planed for our response to a Soviet nuclear attack;
I saw a document that showed the Soviet plan for Boston MA nuclear bombing targets.
The document NAMED the technical and manufacturing companies, in the Boston area.
I'm sure every major city in America had a similar document.
There were Eleven HUNDRED aim points in Boston.
Ponder the concept!!
Ironic I find this comment here. I work around Boston and out on the Cape with my job. Targets today would probably be more with how many tech companies are in the metro area with links back to US military and government. Really interesting to think about with current world events.
@@fordson51 It was pretty much all the tech companies back then too.
I bet the documents also named ideological targets, like Harvard, Yale, museums, cathedrals, etc.
I was stationed in Germany from 1983 to 1984, and from 1985 to 1989. No one knows just how close things were to starting WW3. I was stationed in field artillery battalions both times. There was huge protests against American perishing 2 missiles and lance missiles being station stationed in Germany. The protest happened a few times right up to when I left in 1989.
What the Germans didn't know was conventional tubes artillery was nuclear weapons capable.
Scary times indeed.
And most germans still don't like that they(me included) have american nuclear warheads on our home soil
Ken Shearson damned if we do damned if we don’t
My teacher said that WW3 was so close that the first soviet fighter jets were on highway. He was a good teacher for sure.
@@BR14Nx
According to the nuclear share agreement the Americans don't control nor can they use the weapons. Only Germany can use them.
The primary battle plans of both sides were written for retaliating against an enemy attack.
In other words, they had indeed reached the same conclusion as the computer WOPR: the only winning move is not to play.
The MAD scenario
Warpack's wet dream, the Fulda Gap.
is the usa still paying the taliban in afganistan to not shot at us soldiers.were you american wet dream now.
svenuu go back playing war thunder
@@frankrenda2519 if the taliban was smart they'd just stop shooting at us and accept the payments
This would make an awesome setting for an alt history videogame.
You know it's bad when the full blown ground battle is the optimistic variant.
8:28 Oddly specific. I wonder why the Soviets didn't target Rome, Milan and Turin?
maybe because they knew italy would switch side like in the first 2 world wars?
Great documentaries like this one show just how close humanity came to voluntarily ending itself. It also puts things like the current pandemic in proper context
This was my strategy in the board game "NUKEM" from RoboCop. I warned them not to cross my line of death
Great video, as always
Being Dutch, hearing they would bomb Amsterdam, The Hague, Rotterdam and Utrecht is chilling, seeing how small my country is...
And I was like: Oh no, not Amsterdam, thats my favorite city :D
Greetings from the German neighbourhood
Zeg makker
@@milkwalker3259 ja mijn kornuit
At 4:18 there is a slight error: The Berlin Wall did not fall in 1986 but 1989.
You are so good at these videos. Well done !
I think I remember Germany planning a quick decisive war during WW1 and we all know how well that went.
Hmmm 🤔 ... i think this is a flawed plan. This grossly underestimates NATO and more importantly US (re)actions. This plan is very slow to need 7 days.
If this is supposedly a battleplan to counter a NATO invasion. Why would NATO or US forces act in such a limited way. If the US plans a first strike it would be a decapitation strike. If this is the case then it wouldn’t need 7 days. It will be all over 1 day. Tops.
Also if we assume that this plan would be initiated by Warsaw pact / USSR would strike first they should plan for decapitation also. As it will be assured that NATO and US will hit them with everything they’ve got.
Probably one of many, many scenarios planned for. In this case, "what if NATO decided to reunify Germany, and used tactical nukes?"
Everything we've got isn't enough to turn even one country to glass. Plenty of people/assets would inevitably survive as the plan seems to imagine.
Take Texas. Goodbye Huston, Dallas, Austin. Then what? A giant, hot Vietnam with tacos and cancer.
That is why doctrine of absolute retaliation existed. Soviets even had Systema Perimetr which could launch nuclear warheads if whole Soviet Union would be dead. US would need to think twice if they want to attack a target which can launch nuclear rockets from grave.
NATO, as far as I know, always was determined to go in full if it had to come to a nuclear strike. Destroy the enemys possibility to retaliate as much as you can. This plan would never succeed.
@@jozopako If these "deadhand" devices existed at the time, the US was completely unaware of them. As Dr Strangelove said " the whole idea of a 'Doomsday Device is useless IF YOU KEEP IT A SECRET!"
The catch is why would NATO nuke western Poland knowing full well it would trigger a massive response from the Warsaw Pact? The western powers have no fight with Poland. They have always been innocents caught in the crossfire. Then they left out Britain. As if the British would not join in immediately under their NATO treaty obligations. Same for the USA and Canada.
In 1956 when my father was in the Canadian Air Force, my mother and I were there as well. I still remember the Hungarian uprising and all of NATO was mobilizing as when the USSR invaded Hungary, there was no idea as to where the Soviet tanks would stop. But NATO was preparing for the worst while hoping for the best.
Really, this fantasy plan is no better than some strategy board game.
Anyone else see that tank that lost its pole :( ?
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Snorkel was optional
Clip from election in 02.15 is from Finland. Text in Finnish and Swedish can be seen in the ballot box. :) "Muistithan vaalileiman", "Kom du ihåg valstämpel."
For years in the late 70s & the whole 80s, I expected the red panzers to clatter across the Rhine all the way to the Atlantic.
(Graham Masterton wrote in 1981 perhaps the most chilling thriller on the subject at the time : ''Sacrifice'')
The soviet nuclear blackmail (''live on your knees or die atomized on you feet !'') was enuf of a win-win situation for the sovs.
Just an overwhelming conventional attack with the East Europeans as cannon fodder spearhead followed by the intact red army with the nuclear gauntlet thrown to the US' face would be enough to secure pax sovietica for anutter century.
& then the walls came crashing down.
Love the new video!! Any Dark Docs fans should read Ann Applebaum’s Iron Curtain 📚
I hope you block the jerks that always point out small mistakes, then say your channel is no good !!
NATO attacks first, right. I have listened to this BS for years... We have 40,000 tanks, etc, etc, etc... Yet the frog never jumped.... why? Because they were full of shit. The Bear had no teeth. Watched a film showing one of their brand new units in CGFG, T72's on alert... 30% of their "new" tanks couldn't get out of the motor pool. Another 25% broke down with 30k of their base... 50% losses and hadn't fired a shot! Just one example we saw... If they were half a good as they claimed they would have jumped.
The biggest problem with any Russian invasion is that half its soldiers would be more than willing to defect or mutiny, especially from other countries in the USSR/Warsaw pact.
Seven days to the Rhine was because of logistics. The Warsaw Pact couldn't fight a protracted war logistically and ultimately would end of in all out nuclear war. Both France and England would have responded with nukes, so yes the plan was flawed. but we too had plans on limited first strike use of nukes and it was against forces in East Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia, so that NATO could counter attack. Yes it was insane as it would have lead to full scale nuclear war, but the plans/war games did exist. While we didn't directly target West Berlin, it would have been a smoking hole in the ground to target the East German command and control. So the flaw I see in your Soviet assumptions was the targeting on Eastern Poland to cut off the Soviet forces, when we as the west were much more comfortable to using nukes closer to our own forces. I am not saying these war games and plans made sense, it was insanity, but so was the Soviet plan. Which is why they were only war games and never really our first line of defense. Last of all getting to the Rhine doesn't mean winning a war, crossing it was a whole other matter.
I love how the Russians foolishly believed EVERY SINGLE THING would go to plan 🤦🏻♀️
Military plans are about being prepared for war. Of course the Soviet leadership didn't expect everything to go to plan but if a war were to start they would know what the first steps would be. The Soviets were not stupid but you are.
Sorry, but there are so many elementary inconsistencies in the video that I stopped watching halfway through... Berlin wall fell in 89, not 86. Novotny as a president stepped down in 68 (before the Soviet invasion), so he could hardly sign a war plan developed in 79. And so on... Bye.
STOP SPEAKING SO FAST
So the Soviet plan was “blow up everything and then blow it up again, then tanks. Many tanks. Oh my god that’s a lot of tanks”
It's crazy that we are so focused on moving to Mars. When we haven't figured out how to live peacefully here yet.
The exclusion of the UK and France was to avoid use of nukes against Russia itself
4:20: "1986, when the Berlinwall fell" - it did fall in 1991
Could you make a video about Operation Unthinkable?
Interesting. Warsaw Pact countervalue reaction to a NATO counterforce strategy. This counts as an escalation - surely Warsaw Pact would have then expected a NATO countervalue strike in response.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Insanity at it's best!
Insanity began with Hirshyma and nagasaky. usa first using nuke, and the soviet had the nuke for self defence against another nuker in urss. One of the plane in 1947 was sestroy Moscow with nuke first .... Usa started with nuke crime , never forget !
I watch these videos in awe of what the current plans could contain...
So...The Berlin Wall fell in 1986, huh?
*Hint*: Nope!
There is a huge difference between actual capabilities and what you tell your superiors. In the Soviet system if you said it couldn't be done in 14 days, they would just replace you with an officer that said it could be done in 7.
Any person who has actually served in any military knows what a complex headache a large scale movement of troops is even in a permissive environment. It's likely that every Warsaw Pack officer knew how naive an outlandish this plan was. Saying it openly would most likely have meant career suicide.
This is all baloney. The reality is that NATO quit trying to match the Warsaw Pact in conventional forces by the late ‘60s. Instead, NATO adopted war plans based on “forward defense” against any Warsaw Pact attack. No attempt was made to prevent details from becoming known, and any variant of these always concluded with the nuclear option if NATO started losing a conventional war. So- it was conceding a jump straight to Armageddon, and the Soviet Union never found a way past it. No war was worth starting if everything would be lost as a result.
"Vicenza Verona Padua" aw shit. I would be SO dead
Was Albania part of the Warsaw Pact at the time? They left in 1968.
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
Right, so the Soviet plan was to hope to force the British into acquiescence through a show of force?
...that *always* works, right?
Great video
The Berlin wall fell in 89, not 86 as you have stated. @4:17
7 days to the rhien sounds almost as ambitious as 3 days to Kiev and would probably have much more disastrous results for russia.
The victors of this ww3 scenario will only rule the dust of the wasteland...
They really thought there would be a world left after dropping all these nukes? lol.
I red that the plan was considered extremely optimistic ans that even two weeks would have been a stretch. . . If it succeded at all.
I'd like to know the narrator's security clearance level if he was able to access the Pentagon's war planning maps!
4:19 "up to 1986, when the Berlin wall fell", ??? Who is your fact checker?
the soviet union a tankocracy with 9/10 guns pointed internally.
12:16, dude jumping out of the back holds onto his gun at all times. But it looks like the thing had the inertia of something that weighs 25lbs dropping 20ft. Seriously what is that thing shooting? Plutonium?
You can do all that all suffering from radiation sickness and dying
I always wondered how reliable Warsaw pact servicemen would have been in a conflict with the west?
They are just cannon fodder
I can believe it. When stationed in Germany, our orders were to fight a war of attrition with an expected causality rate of 90% in five days. Our commander said that if the flag went up, he'd jump in a jeep and head for Calais.
Well, at least he was honest
I interviewed some guys from B.A.O.R about the time they were in Germany during the 80's Some units had a projected lifespan of 15 minutes. They were expected to last just long enough to get a report out before they would be overrun.
((edited for typo)
That's the spirit. My father was a soldier in People's Polish Army and he told me as a joke how they were training how to survive nuclear attacks. How he stood still when the NCO asked them to show what to do when the nukes fell and answered to his commander that there is no sense of hiding since atomic blast would kill them instantly, or in suffer due the radiation.
My father was shocked when i've shown to him NATO nuclear counter strike planes on Poland due to stop second army groups to pass Vistula and Oder rivers. He told me that's why he left military when the strikes in 1980s have started and joined Solidarność movement because he didn't wanted to live in a world like that and no matter how they could benefit soldiers, it was not worth it.
What do u mean by the flag goes up
@@Modelstl063 Probably the flag telling them to attack.
A quick victory and home by Christmas almost never happens.
but with current arsenal , quick victory before finishing 3 bigmacs is possible
Crusades 1298 america couldn’t beat the talibam and that went on for 17 years 🤷🏾♂️😂 america is WEAK ASF all they have is a navy and air force everything thing else is propaganda
@@GHustle4 The entire world has been fighting taliban for decades not just USA. Its hard to fight an enemy that constantly switches sides and identity
@@GHustle4 Yawn. The US annihilated over 500 thousand jihadists and took just a couple weeks to take Baghdad, Iraq. That's essentially the entire country of a modern military force with bullshit ROE tying the US's hands behind its back and still taking an entire country in a matter of days without really breaking a sweat. Yeah, real weak, LOL. Fking idiot. They also just vaporized over 200 Russian soldiers for basically looking at them wrong in Syria and Putin did......nothing. Scared little bitch. He knows better.
Dude the USA is still there. Wake up. Nobody was home by Christmas. My cousin wasted five years of his life in Iraq.
the more I learn of the cold war the more that I learn that it was pretty miraculous that a nuclear war didn't break out
I know man especially with the soviets nuclear missile in Cuba in 1962 and the other close call that happen in 1986 or 88 where there was a glitch in one of the soviets nuclear missile forward bases
It's not over yet..
@@jamescaldwell9608it’s more dangerous than ever actually
This sounds like one of those fancy Imperial Japanese war plans, overly optimistic, underestimating the opposition.
Japanese did not outnumbered it's enemy ...
USSR did outnumbered nato in Europe by 2:1 ...
Not fantasy
@@mr.waffentrager4400 They assumed there would be still be conventional warfares of any kind between NATO and the Commies, that's definitely a fantasy.
Now let's say the EU NATOs were completely obliterated in exchange and the Commies lost a large portion of its forces, cuz let's face it, a allout nuclear exchange between the EU NATOs and the red bloc would definitely kill lots of ppl. What about the NA and Oceania NATOs? What kind of military force could the Commies still muster up after an allout nuclear exchange with the EU NATO? By the time the exchange was over you can be sure that the Americans would be mobilizing or already on its way to nuke the Commie Blocs, what would the Commies do in that scenario?
Mr. Waffenträger this plan is definitely on par with 1940’s Empire of Japan’s style of planning. They have the exact same “nothing can stop us” mentality given everything seen from the video except every time you hear “for the emperor!” just substitute it with “for the motherland”
Tall Dwarf I think you overestimate most of Russia's enemies (i.e., us.)
www.iheart.com/podcast/182-stuff-they-dont-want-you-t-26941221/episode/does-russia-have-a-new-rasputin-42884122/
Their was a Germann soldiers found alive in a German supply bunker several years after ww2 ,I would like to see you do that story.
Never heard of that Story do you have a source?
Actually yes
*There
@@RobertLegereIII thanks for helping spell check the interwebs.
He did recently make that video... not sure how long ago but it is out there.
A friend of mine was stationed in Germany in the 80's. He said WW3 would never start on a Monday because US forces and Russian forces were to hung over from the weekend to fight.
"Alright who's not dead" - Soviet Army officer to Warsaw Pact forces in alternate reality where this plan was carried out.
" whos not a shadow on the concrete " after the initial nuclear strike,
That an atlantis the lost empire reference?
Dr strangelove
Hahahahaha
The great irony of the Cold War is that both sides thought the other would strike first. Neither really had any intention of a first strike and both sides were terrified of each other.
During the late seventies and eighties senior members of the Soviet Politburo were absolutely convinced the US intended to launch a massive strategic strike on the USSR and tried to convince Brezhnev that only a Soviet sneak attack could save the USSR from annihilation.
Both the USA and The Soviet Union were victims of sneak/surprise attacks in WW2 (Barbarossa and Pearl Harbor) and that mindset has stayed with them.
@@kiwitrainguy Also I could always see where the Soviets were coming from especially, since the US had used nukes on Japan.
Too much Saber Rattling
"Battle plans rarely survive the first main engagement by the enemy" - Helmuth von Moltke the elder circa mid 1800s
That quote is from Brian McCorny (Ltd Col US Army cavelry)
@@eric4681702 No, it's from Moltke. Look it up.
@@BramGaunt McCorny said it first
@@eric4681702 Brian McCorny? I can't even find anything about him. Can you link a website?
Yup and then you throw nuclear bombs into the picture and now you don’t even have humans to look at the battle plans to begin with lol. 😳
Nukes all of Europe
USSR: "The US probably won't retaliate"
Remembers the US leveled Japan over some boats
USSR: "uhhh hopefully?"
Yes but those where their boats not eu boats
@@Its_Me_Romano It's a horror scenario
tsar bomba the United Shits
@@benchmach2477 run along, child
@@Kyle-uu4mr nice comeback
The irony is that the prevailing winds would likely have brought the fallout east leaving the entire eastern bloc as a irradiated wasteland.
7.5 MegaTons was planned, that is not that much, the Soviet's lit off a 57 KT bomb in the arctic.
Soviet leadership was never known for their foresight
@@Will-tm5bj lol so true
@@hilldoggydogg635 57MT, you're out by 1000. Which makes a difference I believe.
Am I only one that read plane in the title and watched the whole video waiting to see the Tupolev Tu-95 that’s is in the thumbnail...
Anybody , such as myself that was a teenager in the 1980's, had a true fear of nuclear Armageddon, for those watching that weren't, watch the British film called 'Threads'. To this day it's terrifying.
thanks for the info,I will watch it
@@davidconn3222 Be ready for possible depression. The grimmest version of nuclear war ever. The Brits do pessimism really well.
That film will never leave the back of my mind!
Never mind Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy, The Wolf Man and all those others. For the scariest Horror movie ever watch Threads.
"The Day After" is a good movie about post nuclear war...
Ex-RAF engineer here (1976 - 1988) We were *specifically* told to expect attack by the Spetsnaz (Soviet Special Forces) and during exercises we had secondary duties as armed guards and sentries etc. Every RAF station had an SRF (Station Reaction Force) which was a mobile unit in a Land Rover including a guy with a big machine gun (usually me) who drive to any 'hot spot' on the fence and engage anyone breaking in.
And while it was (sort of) fun setting up the gun on it's bipod and letting rip with a load of blanks, it was also deadly serious. Alert state was always known and changes rapidly discussed. The big exercise each year (TACEVAL) ended in a nuclear strike scenario. It was assumed *as a matter of course* that every single US base would be hit, along with all RAF active airfields and radar sites etc etc. We wore NBC gear outside for the last day of the three day exercise, and respirators, gloves, boots etc. And tasks were assigned, such repairing damaged network cables and comm links etc.
Everyday life was routine, often dull, just like every other engineer/tech, but when the siren sounded it was an instant switch to becoming an armed trooper (if a slightly unfit one lol) and you KNEW the USSR was your enemy. It was ingrained, and the only exception was the IRA when they starting attacking the mainland UK. We *hated* the IRA with a passion, especially following the Hyde Park bombing. That was some evil shit right there, and unforgivable under any circumstances....
I think the only thing I can say with confidence that we could deal with back then was Soviet bombers. We had good radar coverage, extremely good anti-jamming, a good amount of fighters and both long range and short range SAMs. Everything else though? Probably just survival and hope for the best...
Friend of mine was a lieutenant in the single reserve brigade for BAOR and went to staff exercises. He said that every single exercise where the commander was authorised for nuclear release he had to resort to it, there was absolutely no way they could hold long enough conventionally with what they had.
@@stevenobrien557 I can believe that - but the 'swarms of tanks crossing the border' thing must be downgraded now. Ukraine has and is continuing to blunt any lightning attacks...
I was there-U.S. Army 1981-1984. When I arrived, we weren't ready, by the time I left, we had all of the tools we needed. Thanks to Ronald Reagan.
The "Reagan Era" defense buildup was actually started by Jimmy Carter in 1980 after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan ended the Detente Era.
Had Eagle Clawfreed the Iran hostages, Carter would have gotten a second term, and the US arms buildup would have still happened.
@@TheLAGopher Carter was annihilated by Reagan, there's no way an Eagle Claw success would have turned the tides that much
“I do not know what weapons will be used in World War 3; I do know that World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.”
The Bible tells us that. Fought on horseback, with swords.
Unless we go full metro and use scrap metal to build portable weapons
*hints at sten*
Idk, there’s more than enough surplus of weapons for us to use if that’s the case
Albert Einstein
Assuming the survivors have the strength to lift the sticks and stones ...
It’s interesting that they were going to after Austria even though it’s not a member of NATO
*sad austrian noises
Maybe it was "in the way" and it was easier to invade and go through it & not around it to get to West Germany.
Any ideas or opinions as to why they went for Austria?
@@INSANESUICIDE it was there and the soviets would have gladly had it for themselves
pretty much the soviet thinking
"take over the world sergei"
Yes, because Patton was well aware of how the Soviets thought. He wanted to end the issue early, but here we are 75 years later still dealing with the assholes. I would have green lighted him.
Yep, Seven Days to Rhine, Three Days to Kyiv... what could possibly go wrong?
"He'll burn the world if he can be king of the ashes"
Thats from where?
@@ABW941 Game of Thrones (show). Someone was describing Littlefinger.
You're talking about Trump, right?
@@dx1450 always bringing him up.
Are you still around I heard TDS is fatal
"I'd rather be puppet to the worst than lead the best" ~Joe Biden~
To the spies of russia who im sure can see this, as lovely as your nuclear idea is, you jave forgotten a simple law of nature called the western meridian wind. When you drop those nukes the worlds air flow moves around the globe coing from the west, so when the fallout from all those 200 bombs hits the upper aircurrents it is going to quite literally drop all the fallout right onto moscow in a month or so. Just thought id point that out.
@Loko Mike They stopped claiming that when M1 was declassified.
The Berlin Wall fell in '89. Just saying. I remember it. I wasn't in Berlin, but, like everyone else, I watched it happening on TV.
I remember watching the Berlin Wall fall on television - I was 6.
I will never forget that day.
They got a couple of things wrong, including some pictures.
I was nineteen at that time I remember you could buy pieces of the wall
My father was a soldier in People's Polish Army and he told me as a joke how they were training how to survive nuclear attacks. How he stood still when the NCO asked them to show what to do when the nukes fell and answered to his commander that there is no sense of hiding since atomic blast would kill them instantly, or in suffer due the radiation.
The army were even training special sapper groups to defuse tactical nukes hidden in West Germany in a strategic places like bridges, valleys, conjuctions.
My father was shocked when i've shown to him NATO nuclear counter strike planes on Poland due to stop second army groups to pass Vistula and Oder rivers. He told me that's why he left military when the strikes in 1980s have started and joined Solidarność movement because he didn't wanted to live in a world like that and no matter how they could benefit soldiers, it was not worth it.
solidarity for virus diapers is mandatory fool speak...new normal.
Also if you worked in a Polish rail yard, you'd be toast!
I was stationed in Nuremberg from 1980-83. We were under no illusions. Our forces would only serve as a speed bump for the massive Soviet assault. Our hope was that if we could delay a couple of weeks we could gather enough NATO forces to stop the Soviets. But as this video shows, the Soviets planned to be at the Rhine bridges in a week. I’m glad that never happened for both sides. Still, I still occasionally remember the briefings from back then and a small shudder runs down my back. Reagan stared down Gorbachev and the Berlin Wall fell. It’s hard to believe we now have US Forces in Poland, Czech Republic and the Baltic Nations and that a permanent base is being considered for Poland. Hard to believe. But I worry about us putting our forces in the traditional Russian sphere of influence.
And fast forward to today Putin invades Ukraine and no one is helping them, not even air support. Meanwhile children are being murdered and still the world watches.
If we won’t help Now, then When?
I think it was more a case of Gorby knew the USSR was bankrupt and the nuclear thing was a mega-disaster in the making; Ronnie was honest enough to want to get rid of them too rather than staring down Gorby (unlike the military & Pentagon who watered down Reagan's ideas - they're never going to give up having the biggest stick in the playground!).
It's interesting to see how bith sides believed the other side is going to make the first strike
A couple of good reads on the subject from a western point of view are "The Third World War August 1985" & "The Untold Story The Third World War" both by General Sir John Hackett. Published in the late '70's early '80's, it portrays the more likely scenario of a conventional conflict, initiated by the Warsaw Pact, and the ultimately successful western response.
It is out of print, however, they were quite popular at time of release & used copies are to be had.
I read that book years ago.
It is a good read. I was lucky enough to buy a copy in a second hand book store here in the Philippines.
Russia when the Poles reveal this plan:
*NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A NEW ONE, BLYAT!*
Well I was in Germany in the 80s. The Russian I met told me half of there men would not show up for this kind of thing .
Because there equipment was junk.
So we got drunk and had a Fantastic time with them.
@Slawa Wacker you have no idea what you are talking about. Russian vehicles have always been junk. Do your research before calling someone a liar ashole
Same could be said about the American forces stationed in Europe. Almost every conversation I've had with fellas who took part in Exercise Reforger usually commented on how much of a mess it was.
@@johnkonrad5040 it was a shit show most of the time.
@@patrickkavanagh5335 I disagree, they have not been junk, but they have barely ever been kept in good working order in large numbers. If parts are not available, and you have organized production through a hardly working economy, maintenance becomes a problem (see North Korea). The GDR had better working equipement since they were doing a bit better than the rest of the WP.
@J H just look at the university's absolutely no critical thinking going on. And now they are in charge.
The boogaloo almost happened so many times its amazing we are still alive
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the boog is a situation of mass civil unrest
Sounds like the Soviet version of Operation Able Archer.
Nobody would win in this outcome. Humanity would cease to exist.
@tvercetti1 there is no such thing as an anti matter warhead
Tin Man I’m not sure which would be worse, being killed by nukes, or surviving and living the remainder of a horrible life until dying of radiation or some other awful shit
South America, Africa, Parts of Asia: *Am I a joke to you*
We would survive. We are a pretty hardy and resourceful species when it comes down to it. Some would survive and after a number of decades even thrive again. Humans are pretty adaptable and more importantly, lucky.
Yeah humans have “tested” 100s of nukes all across the world and were not dead yet. 25 in that small of an area would be pretty bad though but humanity would survive
warsaw pact changed nothing except cosmetics i.e. propaganda. "it was meant as a counterbalance to western NATO alliance" LOL, NO son.
NATO was a defensive alliance versus the communist armies which ALL were commanded from Moscow. For example, in a real war, People's Polish Army units would be integrated into Soviet Union's armies and corps.
ALSO: soviet retaliation for attack = look up Finland in 1940 or the Gleiwitz Incident in 1939.
"NATO was a defensive alliance" at that point your entire argument became a joke
In Afghan War only Soviet units go, without Warsaw member, In Usa fucking intervention in Irak, Afghan, go, member of Nato, dont be funny, Nato Bandits not defensive organisation is true Evil
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The soviets almost certainly never intended to execute this plan. I'm also positive that the western allies had their own counterpart to this plan. Being militarily prepared means having a plan for dispatching any potential foe.
The 80's were great.
So pretty much, Soviets didn’t think the French had the stomach to fight. 😂
Nor were they necessarily ideological enemies. NATO being saddled with DeGaulle was a point in the Soviet's favor.
Sounds like more of a "throw everything we got at them" than an actual plan. I was on the East German border for most of the early 80's. Things got a bit tense more than just a few times. It is more interesting to look at their plan for a first strike which includes the airborne assault of Rhine Main AFB and such so that after the first flights of the USAF they would not have bases to return to. I was in the Fulda Gap and we expected approx. 30 divisions to come through. Our mission was to drive east and cause as much havoc as possible with no RTB.
It was called Seven Days to the Rhine because that's how much time ground forces would have before dying from radiation poisoning XD
Or their equipment broke down completely
You joke, but it was also a calculation that 50% of all Polish soldiers (they were of course sent in first) would be casualties from combat losses AND radiation poisoning within 2 weeks of combat.
The soviets were absolutely insane to consider an attack like this. What would the soviets gain by doing this? It would create a nuclear wasteland prohibiting any type of occupation by their armies. What the hell were the rooskies thinking? Insanity in its purist form. Maybe General Patten was correct during WW II. Take the war all the way to Moscow when we had the chance back in 1945.
The use of language is interesting: just as the Viet Minh was called the 'Viet Cong' to make it seem more malevolent, the 'Warsaw Pact' was used to imply something dark and sinister, as opposed to an ' Organisation'. In reality, the USA effectively controlled all nuclear weapons in the European theatre ( apart from the French) through the ' dual key' protocol. In the event of a warPact* invasion, the use of nuclear weapons would probably be on a 'use it or lose it' mentality.
The significant differences were that stated US protocol was that Tactical nuclear use could be restricted and controlled ( ie: lose Europe), whereas Soviet mentality was ' nuclear is nuclear' ( ie: once you've crossed the threshold, there's no turning back).
The important factor is that Soviet domination of Europe was a constructed myth: Russia has always put security of the Motherland first, not Imperialism. All Soviet gains after WWII were to form a buffer between the States that kept invading and Russia itself.
2 great fictional novels wrt conventional WW3 are Team Yankee by Harold Coyle and Red Army by Ralph Peters. US & Soviet perpectives.
Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy is also good. A lot of it is about the Soviet invasion of Germany.
I liked how Clancy described how the tactics would work, for example the Soviet Airforce overwhelming the US Navy defences with mass missile strikes.
Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising is great too (go Warthogs!)
Tom Clancy's book Red Storm Rising is about this scenario. Interestingly Clancy reckons the war would start because of Soviets needing to capture more oil. Very good book that's worth a read.
I also read claims that the conscripts from the other Warsaw Pacts countries outside of Russia wouldn't have had the desire or appetite to fight and probably wouldn't have done much.
fantastic book!
Except the Soviets main trade source was oil and this still is the main trade source for Russia today so that’s just stupid
@@Yunghank59 Exactly, the major reason Hitler went in to the Caucuses was for the oil in Baku.🛢🛢🛢🛢⛽⛽