38. The Diaspora in Antiquity: Egypt (Jewish History Lab)
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- Brief discussion of the Egyptian diaspora in antiquity. This lecture is also part of the course entitled Biblical Jewish History: From Abraham to Bar Kochba. Course information and registration here: henryabramson.....
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I love these short lectures. You pack so much in. I am also interested in learning about Jewish diaspora in other regions such as India, Central Asia, and China.
Thank you! I am really interested in exploring that history as well. Stay tuned!
You are Great! I am so in love with your Interesting Lectures, hope there are many more to come. God Bless you , be well.
Glad you like them!
hey dear Pro....your telling about Jewish History is a wonder. You introduce an anecdote here and there and you even express a laugh....good for you and us, enjoying a great time of learning and thus living. Thanks
Very interesting to hear of these additional Temples. I hope you'll have time to reflect on those in later videos.
Hope to put more detail in the text version. They are certainly fascinating, right?
You are just amazing, enlightening and thorough. Stunning visits to history.. Thanks so much!
Wow, thank you!
I learned something new today.
I've come across "diaspora" in my reading but I didn't understand the context until this lesson.
@@benlund5162 learned nothing but lies🤣🤣🤣
The LACHISH reliefs proves you to be a liar!! As well as the skulls found in LACISH...nice try🤣
Greetings from Puerto Rico.Keep on the good work,excelent.
The word "spore" also has the same ancient Greek root _speirein_ (to sow/scatter seeds) as diaspora (which means "scatter across").
Episode 38 was excellent! I have read that the 1st century pogrom in Alexandria was motivated by resentment toward the success of local Jews in business, sports, but, particularly galling to Greeks, philosophy. Dr. Abramson, do you have any information about that aspect of the violence?
Yes, but not necessary for this brief video. See Philo's account for his first-person take.
I do believe some sect of those Egyptian Jews in the early centuries reached S.W. Ireland and established monastic settlements there. It became known as the Celtic Church and they used the Old Testament as their bible, and the Abbot used the staff with a T instead of a crook.They are reputed to have had very Jewish traditions and were in existence up to time of Synod of Whitby circa 664 when they were dissolved and the writ of Rome prevaled . One of the charges brought against them was that they were Jews.Wonder can any one tell me more.
That's an interesting comment.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Yes and I just commented in your later lecture asking about them in Northern Ireland.
Joe Garry or Rabbi, Have you found anything about Northern Ireland? Do you know anything about surnames?
@@debrapaulino918 Depends on what you want to know, there are old Irish Gaeilge surnames, and Anglo Irish surnames ,as in settlers from the English invasions. Northern Ireland is part of the union of England, Scotland and Wales, otherwise known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
@@joegarry8983 That information is amazing and gives me something. The surname Shields predominates in Ulster. I do not know that it is Jewish origin. It had an O' before it at one time. My known more recent Jewish heritage is French but I'm trying to figure out whatever is possible.
Benzion Netanyahu in his book on the Spanish Inquisition mentions how the Jews picking the wrong side in Egyptian battles against Rome was one of the origins in modern anti-semetism. It’s a bit more complicated than how I just phrased it (Netanyahu goes on for nearly 50 pages describing it) but very interesting. He even says that the last book of the Gospels (John) was written in such a manner as to take advantage of the anti Jewish feelings of the Greeks in Egypt.
His work on the Inquisition is fascinating.
Great video as always! Is there anyway you can make a video on the Jewish communities in Central Asia ( Bukhara, Tashkent and Samarkand in specific )? I have tried to research the history of Bukharian Jews (which I descend from) and haven’t been able to get very far.
I hope to mention them in future lectures, more planned for the print version.
Pretty sure Elephantine is Greek, so might be more like Ell-eh-fan-tin-ee, with the long Greek 'e' (vs the Latin 'e')...but, i could be totally wrong (as i am so often 😂)
Again, great series, thank you for this valuable contribution
Shalom from Brazil. Thank you very much indeed for all those fascinating lectures and absolutely amazing maps. I would appreciate if you share the bibliography where I could have a better read of the Israeli journeys from Exodus up to the conquest of the Land with Joshuah. Thank you again in advance.
Forthcoming in the text version, I hope.
Did any towns in Israel always have a jewish population going back thousands of years? How many jews lived in holy land in dark ages , middle ages 1700s1800s and so on ?
Shalom Dr Henry. Any records of egyptian jews migrating to India in early or late 19th century ?
Amazing video.
Interesting how It’s the foremost diaspora I. The ancient period though it was forbidden to live there as the Rambam writes
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It is permitted to dwell anywhere in the entire world with the exception of the land of Egypt. Its territory includes a square of 400 parsah by 400 parsah from the Mediterranean Sea proceeding westward, bordering on the land of Kush and the desert. It is forbidden to dwell in this entire territory.
In three places, the Torah warned against returning to Egypt:
a) 'God has told you, you must never again return on that path' (Deuteronomy 17:16);
b) 'You shall not see it again' (Deuteronomy 28:68);
c) 'You shall never see them again forever' (Exodus 14:13).
Alexandria is included in this prohibition.( hilchot melachim5:6)
Yes, that's a remarkable contradiction, isn't it? I thought I might return to the question when we get to Maimonides, who also lived in Egypt.
I am curious as to sources saying Jews living Israel in a Jewish state is considered exile. Thank you
Is there a lecture regarding or including the Ipuwer Papyrus?
Dear Dr. Where can I read about the Jewish temple in Iraq al emir?
Cambridge History of Judaism, volume 3.
Henry Abramson thanks
Is the Elephantine community Jewish in the modern sense of the word? Example I have come across a researcher who claims there were other deities besides YHWY worshipped there as well. Could it be a proto-Jewish or a non-Judaic YHWH community like the Samaritans? By any rate it is fascinating.
This has no truth in it... nice try!
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@@HenryAbramsonPhD your deception is over!
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thanks henry for your lecture on the diaspora im aware of the lands name changed to palastine after the bar kochba war im glad you touched on how the name of the land has affected geopolitical events even to this day,with the isareli palastinaian conflict i even see today that theres more palastininans iving in bethelem today than jews,imalso glad you touched on the septuiagint and its translation septuiagint means 70 ,i also see that the greek translation turn the word reed sea yam suph in hebrew to RED SEA in our bibles showing that translations can change the oriinal meaning of a text thanks henry
Hello--yam suf is properly translated "sea of reeds," not Red Sea.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD forgive for misunderstanding me i meant to say in the orginal hebrew text the body of water the israelites cross i learnt was called the reed sea or yam suph,in the hebrew language not red sea that i was taught growing up showing how the greek has changed the interpations of the original language
Matthew Sainsbury
: אַרְצָה שֵׂעִיר שְׂדֵה אֱדוֹם, הוּא אָדֹם, וְתַבְשִׁילוֹ אָדֹם, וְאַרְצוֹ אֲדֻמָּה, גִּבּוֹרָיו אֲדֻמִּים, לְבוּשׁוֹ אֲדֻמִּים
(Genesis Rabbah 75:4)
Hard questions allowed?
Not in this forum, sorry.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD I'm confident you could easily respond to anything I could come up with. I do wonder what you would think of as "hard questions".
@@salty1773 just ask it. I wanna see him answer
@@travisallen4907 See above. I asked a question but I don't know enough to come up with a really hard one.
@@salty1773 I don’t see it, but idk. I’d like to ask is what’s the dna relationship between the Jews and the hammites. Especially the kushites(Egyptians) ?
Do you really think your back round picture reflects what ancient Jews looked like, with that bare skin? That's Raba and Abaya's world?!
Please send suggested images.
Do you offer these as DVD's Rabbi?
Nope. And not a Rabbi, just a regular guy.
Dr. Abramson could you review The Exodus by Richard Elliot Friedman and provide your comments on how the orthodox community is coming to terms with the documentary hypothesis?
Thank you
Sorry, my research agenda is already pretty full.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you for all your enlightening material
The legend of the seventy Rabbis is found also in the letter of Aresteas.
Rather, say in explanation of the baraita: And our Rabbis permitted them to be written only in Greek. And it is taught in another baraita that Rabbi Yehuda said: Even when our Rabbis permitted Greek, they permitted it only in a Torah scroll, and not for other books of the Bible, which must be written only in Hebrew.
The Gemara continues: And this was due to the incident of King Ptolemy, as it is taught in a baraita: There was an incident involving King Ptolemy of Egypt, who assembled seventy-two Elders from the Sages of Israel, and put them into seventy-two separate rooms, and did not reveal to them for what purpose he assembled them, so that they would not coordinate their responses. He entered and approached each and every one, and said to each of them: Write for me a translation of the Torah of Moses your teacher. The Holy One, Blessed be He, placed wisdom in the heart of each and every one, and they all agreed to one common understanding. Not only did they all translate the text correctly, they all introduced the same changes into the translated text..... ( Megillah 9a)
Since not one of the 13 changes mentioned in the gemarra seems to be in the Septuagint extant today, it’s fair to assume that the Greek translation known today as Septuagint is a latter translation as the original was burned in the great fire of Alexandria that burned down their library.
Philo describes a celebration every year to commemorate this event.
On which account, even to this very day, there is every year a solemn assembly held and a festival celebrated in the island of Pharos, to which not only the Jews but a great number of persons of other nations sail across, reverencing the place in which the first light of interpretation shone forth, and thanking God for that ancient piece of beneficence which was always young and fresh.
Alternatively the Rabbis instituted a fast day for this reason on the eighth day of the month of Tevet in Megillaht Taanit ( eventually incorporated to the fast of the tenth of Tevet)
: "בשמונה בטבת נכתבה התורה יוונית בימי תלמי המלך והחושך בא לעולם שלושה ימים"
See also Sofrim1:7
Thank you for contributing.
Henry Abramson you’re very welcome , I love Jewish history and you’re lectures are phenomenal.
Excellent and fascinating lecture, as always. I think the post-Second Temple diaspora period is one of the most fascinating and understudied areas of Jewish history. If I could make a suggestion/request, when covering the Mesopotamian diaspora, will you cover the Jewish presence in the Arabian Peninsula by extension? I only ask because early Muslim sources speak of significant Jewish presence in the Hijaz around the time of Muhammed, however, I find that there are few sources that cover this interesting topic. Also, there was a short-lived Jewish kingdom in Yemen that flourished in late antiquity from the second to sixth centuries CE. Just a thought! :)
He has a playlist labeled "Jewish history in the muslim context" maybe that's what you're looking for?
We're just beginning this time period in two weeks.
You teased us by mentioning 3 Jewish temples built outside of Jerusalem. That is a class I’d gladly pay to hear! I knew about the one built by Onias in Egypt but never heard of the other 2. Were there sacrifices performed there? Are there any books you could recommend on the subject?
See the bibliography in the Cambridge History of Judaism, volume 3.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Thanks!
My parents always told me that we (the Jews) were the slave labor that built the pyramids. Do you think this is true?
It's at the very least partially true...
The chronology doesn't quite work out--the pyramids were built a few centuries before the Hebrews would have showed up in Egypt.
What is the source where the map in Hebrew in the background comes from if I my ask Professor?
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Loved reading the Hebrew map😮
It's a great Atlas!
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Jesus was a Jew who practiced Torah Matthew 5:17-18.... shouldn't it be the other way around?
He fulfilled the old testament law. He never sinned! He is the only way to heaven. Everyone is a sinner and needs a saviour. That saviour is Lord Jesus Christ, I am, Almighty God!
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Sorry but why just the KJV? I think the original scripts would be closer and correct to the period. Why the Latinized then Anglicized brushed over with one stroke? Today people can read a thousand pages for themselves.
They were clearly just doing what was right in their own sight. Can you imagine the religious confusion and multiplicity in ancient Israel and Judah? What a nightmare and what a terrible stumbling block!
Not for me to make a value judgement.