This is one of the most interesting and powerful scenes I've seen in a game tbh. It's so simple but showcases intergenerational trauma and vindication so well all through the lens of a morally ambiguous character that is easy to empathize with. These themes are carried all throughout the LISA series but this scene in particular always stood out to me. You can't even tell if the scene is real or not and having no control over Brad really drives all the messaging of the game from drug addiction to trauma
And I mean you can see this with how emotionally or morally polarizing the comments are on this. Everyone has a different opinion, but resonate with that opinion A LOT which is the indicator of a powerful scene/media
Of course you say he deserved worse which is why we live in a society of constant violence. Why change when youll always be judged for who you were amd not who you are? Sure, the past cant be undone but we as people choose to dwell on memories. If you cant be a bigger person, and choose morality over your feelings than how are you in anyway better than marty? You're simply perpetuating the cycle.
I love how this game turns what should be a satisfying scene in which you get to beat the man who ruined yours and your sisters life to death, but no instead what you really get is Brad beating up what is pretty much at this point a pathetic weak old man who can't even defend himself anymore, then eventually your defenseless daughter who is trying to protect the the man that ruined your life. The fact that you gain nothing from this fight apart from some mags, no xp, nothing, really shows that what you are doing isn't the right thing. You dont even get the satisfaction of revenge you once thought you'd feel, just an empty feeling of regret...
1:16 i like how you voiced brad and it made him sound like hes just annoyed at this guy being here, not pissed as hell like he really is, just "god damnit, youre still here?"
Marty is not forgiven for what he did. He was horrible to Brad, horrible to Lisa, and horrible to everybody else. However, he was genuinely making an effort for Buddy's sake. Everyone in this world knew there were no women, and despite that, despite Buddy being a little girl, he never tried anything, and actually tried to protect her.
he shouldn't have show up, I get that he has changed, he can get away with it, but he should just never show up again. I would never forgive him, I think it would have been better if he carried this on his cosciounseness for a while, he'd need it, by showing up he just made Brad feel even worse. By coming back only to prove Brad he has changed makes me only hate him more, if he really wanted to come back he should've given him the love he never had
What’s compelling is that Brad believed this whole time that Lisa was in danger, only to find the man who’s responsible for all his pain, Rage and sorrow sitting down comforting her. Giving her something Brad never had, parental love. It’s a moment where the player is forced to see just how much Marty broke his own kid to the point where it turned him into the very Danger he Thought Lisa was in.
Man this game definetely gives you no choice. But i Guess thats what the narrative in this case does. Drugs are a freaking Dangerous thing and in this just as much.
imagine being marty in this situation, youre trying to right your wrongs,youre trying to be redeemed,but then your armless joy-addicted son who you havent seen in years with a guy in a tiger tshirt (terry) a overhyped wrestling guy (rage) and a literal fish with legs (carp) comes in and beats you to shit because of the old stuff youre trying to fix
Marty helped make the apocalypse even worse in a non direct way. He abused lisa and drove her to be psychotic. Then lisa made Buzzo a phyco. Buzzo then helped Dr.Yato spread the joy drug. Marty also messed Brad up so much that Brad he became overprotective of buddy playing a part in why she eventually goes on a rampage. Dr.Yato's plan wouldn't even work if he didn't have Buzzo to spread the drugs and Buddy to cause the chaos that created so many joy mutants. The only one worse then Marty is Dr.Yato as Yato is basically evil thru and thru and may have even played a part in the flash or at least likely knew about it before it happen.
i love how people try to make marty so ohh innocent just cause he said he "changed" and this change being him not going full force at brads daughter. No, he didnt try to renovate this little cave he lives in he just sits in it and drinks beer only this time theres no tv so he just drinks beer all day
@ige77 "hes now better"? you think that just because we only got to see a few minutes with him would show us any signs of being better? id bet you a MILLION this guy would go on every male child there is. other than what he has shown i dont think he deserves any more chances.
Yes, Lisa is Brad's sister.
As for the father... Eh... eh......
The guy changed but yet the damage he has done in the past cannot be undone.
Marley don't deserve to have any regret and redemption what what he did
Love how even when he was right in front of him and in his last moments he didnt even apologize to brad
He had a long time to think about what he did
"All this beer."
**humming**
This is one of the most interesting and powerful scenes I've seen in a game tbh. It's so simple but showcases intergenerational trauma and vindication so well all through the lens of a morally ambiguous character that is easy to empathize with. These themes are carried all throughout the LISA series but this scene in particular always stood out to me. You can't even tell if the scene is real or not and having no control over Brad really drives all the messaging of the game from drug addiction to trauma
And I mean you can see this with how emotionally or morally polarizing the comments are on this. Everyone has a different opinion, but resonate with that opinion A LOT which is the indicator of a powerful scene/media
Marty deserved worse.
But Buddy deserved better.
Of course you say he deserved worse which is why we live in a society of constant violence. Why change when youll always be judged for who you were amd not who you are? Sure, the past cant be undone but we as people choose to dwell on memories. If you cant be a bigger person, and choose morality over your feelings than how are you in anyway better than marty? You're simply perpetuating the cycle.
ty billards I’m all for second chances but Marty never faced justice for what he did. He never was going to if he didn’t here.
Ty people need a good mutilating sometimes.
@@lazyaaron1240 Jesus that’s a dark thing to say.
im convinced marty sympathizers didnt play any of the previous games
sick voice acting dude
I love how this game turns what should be a satisfying scene in which you get to beat the man who ruined yours and your sisters life to death, but no instead what you really get is Brad beating up what is pretty much at this point a pathetic weak old man who can't even defend himself anymore, then eventually your defenseless daughter who is trying to protect the the man that ruined your life. The fact that you gain nothing from this fight apart from some mags, no xp, nothing, really shows that what you are doing isn't the right thing. You dont even get the satisfaction of revenge you once thought you'd feel, just an empty feeling of regret...
1:16 i like how you voiced brad and it made him sound like hes just annoyed at this guy being here, not pissed as hell like he really is, just "god damnit, youre still here?"
Marty is not forgiven for what he did. He was horrible to Brad, horrible to Lisa, and horrible to everybody else.
However, he was genuinely making an effort for Buddy's sake. Everyone in this world knew there were no women, and despite that, despite Buddy being a little girl, he never tried anything, and actually tried to protect her.
he shouldn't have show up, I get that he has changed, he can get away with it, but he should just never show up again. I would never forgive him, I think it would have been better if he carried this on his cosciounseness for a while, he'd need it, by showing up he just made Brad feel even worse. By coming back only to prove Brad he has changed makes me only hate him more, if he really wanted to come back he should've given him the love he never had
What’s compelling is that Brad believed this whole time that Lisa was in danger, only to find the man who’s responsible for all his pain, Rage and sorrow sitting down comforting her. Giving her something Brad never had, parental love.
It’s a moment where the player is forced to see just how much Marty broke his own kid to the point where it turned him into the very Danger he Thought Lisa was in.
Dude. Lisa is dead. That's Buddy.
Man this game definetely gives you no choice. But i Guess thats what the narrative in this case does. Drugs are a freaking Dangerous thing and in this just as much.
Simple forgive him for what he did...but don't let him walk away
this voice act gave another level.
I always thought Marty was just an abusive father to Brad (not Lisa) who changed when he was given a second chance to be a parent
imagine being marty in this situation, youre trying to right your wrongs,youre trying to be redeemed,but then your armless joy-addicted son who you havent seen in years with a guy in a tiger tshirt (terry) a overhyped wrestling guy (rage) and a literal fish with legs (carp) comes in and beats you to shit because of the old stuff youre trying to fix
(g)Raping your child and driving them to suicide? How do you fix that
@@nelsonsiwady9415 you definetely cant but he tried, not saying it was a good attempt or that it fixes everything but he probably thought it was
Brad :it's my chance to make things right
marty wants the same....
@@sergioplazat3995 theres a difference between them both
@@rev5943 Yeah....
that one changed for the better while the other guy hit the girl he wanted to protect and then killed him😑
Would you forgive him?
You too kind
in the apocalypse,past doesnt matter. if only you could spare this changed soul
Marty helped make the apocalypse even worse in a non direct way. He abused lisa and drove her to be psychotic. Then lisa made Buzzo a phyco. Buzzo then helped Dr.Yato spread the joy drug. Marty also messed Brad up so much that Brad he became overprotective of buddy playing a part in why she eventually goes on a rampage. Dr.Yato's plan wouldn't even work if he didn't have Buzzo to spread the drugs and Buddy to cause the chaos that created so many joy mutants. The only one worse then Marty is Dr.Yato as Yato is basically evil thru and thru and may have even played a part in the flash or at least likely knew about it before it happen.
@@billfred9411 so he accidentaly caused like 40% of the apocalypse.... shit.
i love how people try to make marty so ohh innocent just cause he said he "changed" and this change being him not going full force at brads daughter. No, he didnt try to renovate this little cave he lives in he just sits in it and drinks beer only this time theres no tv so he just drinks beer all day
@ige77 "hes now better"? you think that just because we only got to see a few minutes with him would show us any signs of being better? id bet you a MILLION this guy would go on every male child there is.
other than what he has shown i dont think he deserves any more chances.
Man kinda cring of Brad to do that
You know what marty did?
@@rev5943 I know but I still felt that it was kinda cringe
@@GPWMC Naw Marty deserved much worse.
@@buck9915 Mhmmm
It's implied that he's being infuenced by Joy so he's not in his right mind.