SOME OF THE SOURCES I USED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO: The 1979 UN General Assembly resolution about Western Sahara: undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/RES/34/37 The Red Line podcast episode on Western Sahara (featuring an interview with Prof Stephen Zunes) th-cam.com/video/ymGvtiP9UY8/w-d-xo.html Freedom House report on Western Sahara: freedomhouse.org/country/western-sahara/freedom-world/2021 Human Rights House article on POLISARIO's invitation to UN: humanrightshouse.org/articles/polisario-front-calls-on-un-to-supervise-human-rights-in-territories-under-its-control/ Jerusalem Post article on Morocco- Israel agreement: www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-morocco-agree-to-normalize-relations-in-latest-us-brokered-deal-651742 Tweet from John Bolton about the Morocco-Israel agreement: twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1337382047594242048 Middle Eastern Eye on Biden's policy: www.middleeasteye.net/news/western-sahara-biden-team-claims-new-approach-despite-continuing-trump-policy Al Jazeera article on Biden's policy: www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/13/why-biden-administration-and-western-sahara 1982 documentary on POLISARIO by WNET: th-cam.com/video/kEowVrGTPc4/w-d-xo.html
ALl those things are non relevant legally speaking. The General Assembly link is KO, and this was only a motion, more than +40 years ago during the cold war with the logic of the block. The only organization that can do a thing on this area and you know it is the UN Security Council. Who requested in 63 to add the Sahara in the list of region to be decolonozied ? Morocco ! Who launched a war vs Spain in 1957-1958 to retrieve the Sahara ? Morocco and nobody else and certainly not the students which composed the Polisario front, or the sons of the spanishs collaborators (= traitors.) All the rest are extreme leftists organization financed by interested organization. Human Right Watch condmened the massive usage of torture in the Saharawis camp by the Polisario. John Bolton is a neo con financed by the algerian money. That's funy you quote him. You cannot talk about the Sahara issue without puting it in a geostrategic framework that of an Algerian plan to undermine Morocco. Unlike Algeria, Morocco is a nation-state, an empire that stretched until the river of Senegal !
@@walideg5304 Really sorry, but the UN Security Council doesn't control what I think. I think what Morocco has done in Western Sahara is criminal, and I'm ashamed of the actions of my own government to enable them. That's why I made the video (which I thank you for watching). :)
@@FredoRockwell Your gouvernement. Why are they political leaders in jail in Spain ? Why an autodetermination referendum is not possible in Spain ? Why does Spain as hypocrite as you continue to claim Gibraltar and occupy Sebta and Melilia ?
Thanks for watching! Western Sahara is Moroccan in the same way that Ukraine is Russian. Putin is using the same types of argument Morocco has made for decades to justify his invasion and kill innocent people.
@@FredoRockwell Na bro if they steal our land attack our civilians we are and always will be ready to strike back, and we're not the ones attacking the people living there they attack Moroccans that live in cities like Laayoune just like how the US wouldn't let some people creating a new country out of nowhere, and it's truly disgusting how you compare us to Russia.
@@yountube Thanks for watching! Invading an adjoining territory in the face of international law because of claims based on the distant past is wrong. I think this is what Russia is doing in Ukraine (it's what Putin says he's doing, so I'm just agreeing with him). It's also what I think Morocco did when it occupied Western Sahara. But I will give Morocco this - they certainly did a much better job at the invasion that Russia is managing at the moment!
Sahrawi could have been an elective presidential republic with a distant member of the Moroccan royal family as head of state, similar to how the Dutch Republic (precursor to the Netherlands) got a noble as its head of state, the "Stadtholder".
Hey man! Just wanted to say that this is a real good video! Your channel continues to be a wonderful window into interesting parts of the political world which are discussed no where else. To think I only looked you up after hearing about all the ice cream stuff! I love your work, and I really hope that your videos pick up wider viewership. It's great stuff, and my viewing diet is much richer for your place in it.
Wow, thank you so much for this comment! It really means a lot to me. I hope you continue to enjoy my videos - I'm really excited by the next few in the pipeline!
Gracias por defender la legalidad y el derecho internacional en el Sahara Occidental! Gracias por dar voz a los que no tienen voz! Gracias.Gracias y mil gracias.
De nada, pero realmente tengo el honor de tener la oportunidad de compartir esta historia con el mundo. Espero que a medida que más personas conozcan esta historia, las injusticias sufridas por el pueblo saharaui algún día terminen.
Interesting video. I am still more on the side of Morocco's claims, but some your arguments at least made me look at things from a slightly different perspective.
Yep, because Moroccans are not gonna let the Algerian military regime creat a puppet state on our southern provinces, It's not happening, deal with it.
@@yzwariij Im so touched. we feel so guilty here in Morocco for being so evil. while "good men" do nothing to contribute in the destruction of our nation, and giving half of it to a communist desert gang stationed in Algeria.
Interesting how you state that South Africans help Morocco build the wall, because South Africa is one of the nations that supports the SADR. Would be interested to see what your source is on this.
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure this point is at all "interesting," at least in the sense of being surprising, as the South African government did not officially begin to support the SADR until 2004. In the 1980s, when the berms were being constructed, South Africa was still ruled by the white minority and was an international pariah. Post-1994 South Africa is a very different country in terms of international relations. Now then, re sources - the help with the Berm construction is mentioned in Wikipedia (a source I generally try not to rely on) here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Western_Sahara_Wall#Construction. In terms of a better source, there is an academic journal which describes much more extensive support for Moroccan forces from the South African military here, starting at the bottom of page 15: www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/26867918.pdf. The relevant section says: " the Moroccans received substantial financial and military support from the United States, France and South Africa. The arsenal of armaments used by them was quite extensive, they possessed F-5 and C-130 military aircraft, “Gazelle” helicopters, Ratel, Eland and AML-90MM armored personnel carriers, South African MK-6 armored reconnaissance vehicles, diverse anti-aircraft batteries, radar equipment and a large number of small arms. These countries did not only send arms, but also trainers and advisors for the Moroccans." It does not mention South African advisers helping with the berms specifically, but there is no doubt that Morocco received South African support. One last point - I mentioned the help with the berm construction in the video more because I wanted to lay down the existing cooperation with Israel, which predated the deal brokered by Jared Kushner by decades. Here is a source for their involvement: www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2013/nov/walls#sahara The involvement of South Africa is not massively significant to the overall argument of the video (although it is interesting that Morocco was willing to cooperate with another regime with a terrible human rights record).
@@ARez-hc7ew We always make the most delicious fish tajines in the beautiful desert beaches of southern Morocco. it's sad you guys will never get a taste.
I liked a few of your other videos, but this one just screamed bias and a staunch position on one side that makes it *very* difficult to relate to the perspective taken, or in any way consider the claims made. If you had actually dug into the *reasons* why the Moroccan claims aren't so good, rather than just outright dismissing them you would have probably made a good video like your other ones. Cheers.
Thanks for watching, and for taking the time to leave your comment. I do take positions in my videos - not always, but I feel it is my duty when it is as clear as the issue in this video. I'm not sure it is bias to support Sahrawi independence, though, as I didn't begin making the video with this position. It developed over time as I researched the issue more and more. Regarding the Moroccan claims, the reasons they are not good is because they are not relevant in the consensus of international law which has overseen the decolonization process all around the world. I didn't spend time explaining them, or evaluating them, because they really aren't relevant (as the World Court found). The international consensus is that the people in former colonies should have the option to choose their future, not have it determined by the decisions of former colonies on their borders. There are examples of colonial populations not being offered independence (former German Togoland and the Southern Cameroons), but they were at least offered the chance to choose between which former colony to merge with (and tellingly, both these examples have led to modern-day independence movements). Anyway, if I'd spent 2-3 minutes explaining the historic claims to Greater Morocco, which date back centuries and involve people who are long dead, and how that should determine the fate of the people who were then alive in Spanish Sahara, I think that would have lent weight to the Moroccan argument that these positions were at all relevant. And they weren't. Anyway, I hope that makes sense. Glad you liked other videos! Be prepared for the occasional strong opinion - but I will try to back them up when I make them.
@@walideg5304 I haven't answered because your question makes no sense in context. I'm not a fan of separatism in general. I'm a fan on UN members adhering to the UN charter and other international agreements. I'm not a fan of one county invading another based on historic chains which predate the formation of the UN (as Russia has done in Ukraine).
No, your political leanings,background, or subconscious predispositions made you have a biased, pseudo-neutral perspective. Here are SOME points ( I hope you have space for self-criticism) : 2:00 Western Sahara was a colony, alright, so were other parts of Morocco, does that mean it's where its history started? By your Logic, Northern Morocco (Spanish colony) and central Morocco (French colony) are two separate entities and should be independent of each other. Spain claimed that the territory it colonized in the Sahara was terra nullius (inhabited by a small group of nomads and that it didn't belong to anybody) When Morocco raised this to the International Supreme court (although they had judges that belonged to countries that were part of the Soviet bloc and this issue was just a pawn piece in their broader cold war game) admitted that it was NOT terra nullius and that the majority of tribes there had LEGAL ALLEGIANCE to the sultan of Morocco. But they did not want to hand the Sahara to morocco on a silver platter. ..... I tried to pinpoint all of your misconceptions but realized that I would have to stop EVERY couple of seconds to correct MAJOR mistakes or misconceptions......
As far as Western Sahara's history as a colony goes, yes it started when it became a colony. I understand the argument that the people living in Western Sahara in 1975 should be denied the same rights extended to every other forget colony because of some maps drawn up several hundred years ago, but I think that's silly. It's not that I don't understand the argument, I just value people over the nationalistic appeals of autocrats. In this respect, I am not neutral, nor have I ever claimed to be. Thanks for watching!
@@FredoRockwell With all due respect, your “ I value people and the kindness of humanity and we are all one family under the blue sky and everybody should sing Kumbaya” is definitely noble but not realistic in how nation’s geopolitics work. Oh the territory you call Western Sahara’s history started when it became a colony ? In that case : The peaceful confederacy was an infant nation when the evil Union attacked it and annexed it in a war of aggression and expansion of some nationalistic autocrats back at the white house. Better yet! The third Reich’s borders that spanned from France to Russia were unfairly attacked by The soviet Union and the allies simply because of “ nationalism “ . Don’t even get me started on Pearl Harbor, Japan was ALWAYS an empire that controlled ALL of Asia when suddenly the US dropped a couple of bombs. See how ridiculous and borderline insidious your selective history sounds ?
@@Saidxplore First of all, you misquoted me. :) Second of all, yes, autocratic regimes regularly engage in brute force to get their way with smaller neighbours. What's happening in Ukraine is a good example of this. But just because evil occurs on a regular basis doesn't stop it from being evil. I feel no obligation to change my views because the unelected leader of Morocco thinks I should, and I am free to express my opinions that the Moroccan regime has behaved badly. As for the status of Western Sahara, the decolonization process I've advocated is the one which is accepted as a consensus in international law. I know the Moroccan government doesn't like this, but that's just the way it is. Morocco is in violation of decisions of the International Court of Justice and the UN. It is not bound by these judgements, but neither is the world bound to make allowances for Morocco's crimes.
@@FredoRockwell Never have I claimed that Morocco is the pinnacle of freedom and democracy, what you mentioned about repression (although exaggerated) is not exclusive to western Sahara but all of Morocco until recently where we have been changing slowly but surely. You’re quick to point out Ukraine but radio silent on Palestine. Tell me, what have thousands of resolutions and International law and concepts such as justice and fairness done for Palestinians who’s lands have been seized and colonized by Europeans who force them to live in an apartheid state and brutalize and kill them on a regular basis ? Last I checked, your country violated International law and all the UN resolutions and invaded a sovereign country who didn’t attack it and massacred all the population and left it as a hell-hole with a “Oppsie no WMD here” what did International law and the UN do? NOTHING again ! Morocco learned that hypocrisy is not going to get it anywhere and NOBODY will free you nor grant you your rights if you don’t take them by force. Morocco took its Sahara and you can take your biased holier than thou opinion.
I haven't made a video about Palestine, but I don't think that counts as radio silence. Nor have I ever claimed that the US is guiltless either - quite the opposite. Nor do I think it's acceptable to make someone morally responsible for the wrongdoing of their government. I think Morocco's policy in Western Sahara had been immoral. Whatever other immoral actions other governments have taken doesn't excuse anything. And yes, the UN is deeply flawed, but that doesn't excuse wrongdoing either. By the way, my next video is about a proposal to fix the system. I don't endorse it but it's interesting. I hope you'll watch. 🙂
@@imnotjustiny.5926 Thanks for sharing that! Getting detained for flying the wrong flag is something that also would happen in Belarus, North Korea, and Tibet. It's a massive violation of basic human rights of expression.
Yesterday, the united national antiwar coalition held its national conference in Minneapolis. One of the speakers on the Asia panel was a diplomat of Western Sahara and a member of the Polisario Front. Anti war activists are finally starting to pay attention to the issue
@@FredoRockwell the important part about Morocco is that they play the same role in Africa that Israel does in the Middle East, and just like Israel, Morocco is isolated among its neighbors. The African union recognizes the independence of Western Sahara and Morocco is the only African country to be expelled from the African union
That is a real problems of inhumane...I agree every nation have the right to get independence.. But, the problem is the evil colonial interest. ..When it comes their interest; what they called Democracy and human rights disappear..Why America support Morocco monarch ? I think is 2 thinks: 1. I heard, Morocco is the first country recognized American independence and opened first embassy, 2. Is the fosphress or fertilizer needed badly by American agriculture's....also, as you said, Israeli recognition..God help Saharaian people. Aamin
Thanks for watching and for your comment! I America used to be happy to support dictators around the world if they were seen as anticommunist. As POLISARIO was a socialist liberation movement, I think America supported Morocco because they thought it was the best strategy for the cold war. It was a huge mistake I'm my opinion.
noting is really surprising out of everything since the government of imperialists countries will only care for the well-being of their elite. the us and its allies will keep supporting morocco because it benefits them not having anti-imperialists in power. this has happened time and time again in history and it will not stop until the majority of people are aware and prone to organize and unite against a common struggle.
Thanks for watching! I agree this story is sadly not very surprising. But I also believe that the US government ignores the plight of the Sahrawi people in large part because most Americans are unaware of this issue. The media simply didn't report on the Israel/Morocco deal properly. If people better understood what Trump did, and what Biden continues, it would be harder for the White House to continue this policy.
About 80% if it is, that's true. It's also 100% an illegal occupation, whether you like it or not. But thank you for watching and commenting - truly. 🙂
@@walideg5304 it's been a year since I made this video, but I'm not sure what your point is. Did I say there was one when there isn't? I'm confident there are General Assembly resolutions and International Court of Justice rulings, and I think those are what I mentioned.
It's not a country, you are not neutral defending a one party future dictatorship government. We should hear the voice of people who lives in the moroccan controlled areas not algeria or Europe, with all due respect you know nothing about geopolitics and you should stay away from making videos about that. To the viewers of this video, I recommend watching James Ker-Lindsay he covered the subject the way it should be.
I'm not neutral, no. How can I be neutral in the face of such huge injustice?! If an independent WS became a dictatorship I would condemn this, but being an independent dictatorship is still probably better than having a dictatorship imposed by a foreign military occupation.
@@FredoRockwell You made this video purposely for the POLISARIO front and not the people who suffer at the Algerian refugees camps these people don't even know their identities, they have no freedom of movement nor speech, former members who escaped the refugees camps to morocco have claimed that. So what kind of injustice you are talking about?
My sources are shown in the video, and there are links you can follow from the pinned comment. I did receive information from Polisario, but only about the internal politics of the SADR and life in the Liberated Territories. The information on human rights came from Freedom House, Human Rights Watch, and the Red Lines Podcast.
Calling Morocco invader when it was historicly a moroccan land before european colonization is nonsense At least take into account the Moroccan arguments, and stop spreading complete disinformation on this subject. If the UN and all the democratic countries in the world do not recognize RASD as a state, it must be a reason. Read the detailed Supreme Court report and you will understand that the situation is much more complex than you seem to imagine. Coming from a Moroccan Sahraoui living in Laayoon the capital of moroccan sahara.
I don't think governments have to right to change national borders by force, and to do so is to be an invader. The reasons for not recognizing the SADR were totally political. As was the decision to trade recognition of the occupation in exchange for Morocco and Israel recognizing each other. But having reasons doesn't make a crime less shameful. Governments around the world so horrible things to people every day in the name of one reason or another. Spain and France had reasons for colonizing Morocco.
@@FredoRockwell With all my respect but you have biais opinion on the subject, Morocco isn't that powerful to make anyone beleive or support its cause. Yea but European did, look at Morocco map in 1900 before spain and france invasion and how it's today. Spain still today invade island at 100m from moroccan coast in north still have 2 cities inside Morocco territory Melilia and Sebta in Africa continent and claim it's europe. European countries especially Spain wanted countries in south to stay weak, so they made sure it's divided to economicly be easy to conquer. Morocco is the one who asked for UN intervention in 1955, to stop Spain colonization even before Polisario was created in 1973 and RASD in 1976. And what about UN also Morocco put pressure on them too ? Also how can you say, it's democratic country when they have same president for 30 years, unique parti who is also an armed one. We just had election in Morocco 2 days ago with Sahara having more than 60% voter turnout, there was like in 2016 international supervisor let's wait for their report of 2021. th-cam.com/video/81TEKF7CHJ0/w-d-xo.html I invite to watch this report made by a spanish journalist who visited the camps in tindouf in Algeria and who visited laayoun in Morocco and see for yourself her conclusions and what she had seen so you know who you are defending and who you want us to be ruled by. And i hope you will tell me what you think about it. sorry for my english not my language hahaha. Have a nice day.
Also with respect, I don't agree with this type of argument. Polisario has its flaws, but that does not magically justify the Moroccan occupation. Nor do old maps or historic land claims. The fact is that the people of WS should have had the right to vote on their own future. The Moroccan government, with substantial help from the US and others, has conspired to deny this right (in contravention of international law). Whatever happens in Tindouf doesn't change these facts. But while Polisario has many shortcomings, it has signed the Geneva Call while Morocco continues to use landmines, and has opened itself up to international scrutiny in ways the Moroccan regime has not. But even if this was not the case, Morocco's occupation of WS is still a violation of international laws as agreed by every responsible world power since WWII. Also, I say all of this respectfully! 🙂
@@FredoRockwell Flaws ? You are not the one living under their hell and propaganda, easy for you to use those kind of words. Open to international scrunity ? They even refuse census of the population living in Tindouf what are you talking about. Give us some example and stop spreading their propaganda. Did you even watch the documentary i shared with you ? Million of landmines been put in 70' to protect population from Polisario guerilla attacks kidnaping on civilians, at that time it was the only solution Morocco got to protect 1600 Km of borders and after 88 when wall was complete, removed a lot of it and still continue to identify and remove the rest of it. It really surprise what is called self-determination and how many part of the world did really get to choose in wich country it belongs. Saying that Morocco never refuse a self-determination, but got stuck with who gonna votes ? Spain Algeria claimed it should be 76,000 people that the Spaniards had identified during their colonization, knowing that a large part of the population of these regions had fled to the north when the Spaniards arrived. So for example my familly is not considered Sahraoui by Polisario as many others more than 60,000 people at that time just because they were afraid of what they are thinking. We will never accept RASD my generation know exactly what Spain Algeria Libya tried to do and what Algeria keep trying to do. So when governements don't recognize them its a conspiracy, but Morocco illegal occupation its the Bible for you. So we should just accept borders put by foreigners and just forget about our history geography and what we are. I don't care about what you think, i'm just concerned about misinformation on the subject you are spreading and denying the voice of many like me. Respect is shown by giving voice to the plurality of opinions and not by words.
I honestly don't think my video contains misinformation. It was my best attempt to determine the facts. And I was shocked by the actions of my own government most of all as I learned more. Fortunately there is an opportunity for everyone to do as I have done and come to their own decision and express their own views.
I don't deny that at all - I just don't think it's a relevant fact. Just because at one point in its history a country was larger does not give it the right to break international law to occupy its neighbours. If this was considered okay to do, it would produce endless wars around the world.
Morocco was just represented by Marrakesh and Fes. Stop lying to yourself and get rid of the delusional expansionist ideology you were instilled by your ‘kings’
You said the Polisario has a democratic regime, and that's not true by any standard, the polisario government is a puppet military regime of the Algerian military regime. The sahrawis who actually participate in fair elections are in the Moroccan side. You ignore the fact the the western Sahara is the richest and safest area in all the African Sahara, huge investments have been made there and the people enjoy the same rights as any Moroccan. I lived there and I find your description of the situation under Moroccan rule insanely inaccurate and uninformed. It's clear that you did your research for this video straight from the Algerian military regime's book. your video is one sided and full of lies and propaganda.
Thanks for watching! I would be interested to see if the information I had was indeed the same as the Algerian military regime's book. Can you provide a link to this source please?
@@FredoRockwell One little question, you claim the Polisario are democratic, you claim their leader was elected. Can you back your claim with a source? because I can't find any independent report about this supposed election.
This is the official news agency of the Algerian military government, take a look and you'll understand what I'm talking about. If you want even more fun then check the Arabic version of the site. This conflict is not Morocco VS poor Sahrawis, it's Morocco VS an Algerian backed organization. Algeria, the country where the ruling regime killed 250 thousand of their own people just because the ruling party lost an election. www.aps.dz/en/world
@@eternalm3859 I think I said the General Popular Congress elects the General Secretary. Here's a source where it was reported: www.reuters.com/article/uk-algeria-westernsahara-idUKKCN0ZP0LI
@@eternalm3859 it's the first time I've heard of this source. It's certainly not something I drew upon to make the video. The sources I used are mentioned in the video and in the pinned comment. 😀
It’s false, the sahraoui people who live in the city control in the Moroccan side all prefer behind in the Moroccan side, beetwen the Polisario side, the 100.000 people who live under corruption and poverty suffer from many problem, many of them try to join the Moroccan side, some of them successful but some of them get killed by "liberation front"
I recently met some Americans who traveled to occupied Western Sahara and lived with a Sahrawi family that openly called for Morocco to depart their country. Their house was surrounded by police 24 hours a day. The police world storm into the house in the middle of the night, and if I remember correctly actually blew a hole in the side of the house. I totally believed the accounts this person told me. I could see from her expression the fear she had felt herself. Both sides in this conflict make claims that are mutually exclusive. I suspect POLISARIO's side of the story isn't 100% correct, because that's just how life works. But on balance they are the ones who were invaded, and they seem more credible to me.
Not a relevant comment. You said people in occupied WS were happier than those in Tindouf. I gave you a clear counterexample. Your original point fails. As for this "war," Morocco invaded and acted illegally according to the International Court of Justice. Morocco can end the war anytime it wants by ending its occupation.
@@FredoRockwell my aunt actually live in the Laayoune who consider for you "occupated" by the Moroccan gouvernement, she tell us that they are no problem there, I visits him every year and I also see nothing suspicious, if the people of Western Sahara would really want there independent and not annex by Morocco, it would be like Palestine rigth now, because people there know who much is benefit to be more in the Moroccan gouvernement who have stability and lees corruption then a corrupted independent country who is really have instability and be under a state who is a puppet of another corrupted state, Morocco have actually the side of the Moroccan sahraoui people because they have ligitimity under this region who has been cut during the colonizations, Morocco just take back he’s land who was been stole by Spain.
The people of Palestine are suffering terribly and the actions of the Israeli military amount to war crimes. The one thing Palestine is not suffering from, however, is attention. I tend to focus on underreported issues that the media ignores.
@@FredoRockwell lmao!!!! Attention? Buddy the mainstream news media still presents Palestinians as antisemitic blood thirsty monsters. They still present student protesters as useful idiots of Iran. Most people don’t know about the settlements in the West Bank, forced evictions, military courts for West Bank civilians, mass r@***p3s by the IOF, Gaza being cut off from food and clean water, right of return being denied, the nakbha. You clearly have a special interest in oppressed people groups and you can’t even talk about a genocide your tax dollars are funding?
@@FredoRockwell In Response I Am Boycotting This Channel (I Am Pro-Israel) BTW Has Palestine Ever Admitted It’s Own Problems Or Should I Boycott Palestine And Palestinian Products In Response To October 7th 2023 Attack
@@FredoRockwell They won't. Because Morocco's case is legitimate and won't need to pay any money to anyone. Before occupation Morocco's map contains large parts of Algeria as well was what's considered today Mauritania . France annexed large parts of Morocco's territory to nowadays Algeria because they thought they will remain there forever. Western Sahara tribes always were ruled by Moroccan kings before Spain occupation. You are completely biased if only you mentioned Morocco's point of view and tried to be impartial. But you are definitely paid well.
I'll have to speak to my accountant about this. So far I've been told repeatedly that I'm being paid by the Algerian and Somaliland governments, and I've never seen a penny of it.
Le sahara marocain est reconnu par 107 pays dans le monde. Il est aussi reconnu par les usa israel l espagne l allemagne la france... et la ligue arabe... Il y a plus de 25 ambassades ouvert au sahara marocain.. Le sahara est bien marocain.
Yes, that's the problem. Too many countries which helped create the UN and the post war consensus on decolonisation are violating their own principles by providing cover for Morocco's colonization of Western Sahara. 😢
@@FredoRockwell pourquoi tu ne parles pas d histoire avant l arrive des espagnoles...la mauritanie est aussi une creation de la france.la mauritani etait aussi marocain.
@mohaelmat3676 I don't mind talking about history, but when Morocco joined the UN it agreed to abide by a set of rules for post colonial self determination. If Morocco wants to break the rules it has agreed to, it's betrayal of those rules should be acknowledged and Morocco should do the honourable thing and withdraw from the UN. As a parriah state, Morocco can make up its own rules based on historical frameworks that the UN and the international system have rejected. Its actions will still be wrong, but at least they won't stink of hypocrisy.
The kingdom of Morocco 🇲🇦 is the strongest, Moroccan army got the supremacy of the sky with the modern western equipments and smart pilotes, the land tanks to the brave Moroccan soldiers and good weapons, the Atlantic ocean thanks to the marine forces. The top of all that the kingdom of Morocco took back a small part of its historical lands and borders from the Spanish and French colonialism, Algeria is afraid from Morocco to ask about his territories stolen from France and integrated to French Algeria as they call it, this is why Algerian military regime is trying to keep Moroccan army under pressure, because they know that they will defeat them as always. At the main time the money of both Moroccan and Algerian people is wasted for buying weapons from westerns. Colonialism under other mask.
Hiya, thanks for watching and commenting. Are you saying that the descendents of people who used to live in WS before the Sahrawi people have more rights to live in WS than the people who lived there before the Moroccan government invaded their land? On that basis, borders all around the world would have to be redrawn and everywhere would be in a state of war just like WS. It's a very grim way to organize the world's borders. 😢
I don't think I lied about that. It's just that's not how the post-war consensus works. If Morocco wants the international order to work that way it should never have signed the UN Charter. Being a UN member but refusing to abide by its rules would make Morocco's leadership a bunch of liars. Is that your position?
@@FredoRockwell bro, Polisario is just a gang created by alkadafi and Algeria to divide morocco. And your videos if full with crap, either you don’t know the story, or you just lied.
It's okay. When you've heard propaganda your entire life hearing an opposing viewpoint can be a shock. Someday I hope you are able to accept that invading a neighboring county because of centuries old claims that are rejected by the international community is not okay. It's not okay for Putin. It wouldn't be okay for China to invade Taiwan. It wasn't right for Morocco to invade Spanish Sahara.
@@FredoRockwell bro there’s no propaganda, there’s only historical documents to prouve our points, i don’t care if you’ve sided with terrorism but you should know my freind that the Sahara is always moroccan and it’s will be always Moroccan. End of discussion
SOME OF THE SOURCES I USED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO:
The 1979 UN General Assembly resolution about Western Sahara: undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/RES/34/37
The Red Line podcast episode on Western Sahara (featuring an interview with Prof Stephen Zunes) th-cam.com/video/ymGvtiP9UY8/w-d-xo.html
Freedom House report on Western Sahara: freedomhouse.org/country/western-sahara/freedom-world/2021
Human Rights House article on POLISARIO's invitation to UN: humanrightshouse.org/articles/polisario-front-calls-on-un-to-supervise-human-rights-in-territories-under-its-control/
Jerusalem Post article on Morocco- Israel agreement: www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-morocco-agree-to-normalize-relations-in-latest-us-brokered-deal-651742
Tweet from John Bolton about the Morocco-Israel agreement: twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1337382047594242048
Middle Eastern Eye on Biden's policy: www.middleeasteye.net/news/western-sahara-biden-team-claims-new-approach-despite-continuing-trump-policy
Al Jazeera article on Biden's policy: www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/13/why-biden-administration-and-western-sahara
1982 documentary on POLISARIO by WNET: th-cam.com/video/kEowVrGTPc4/w-d-xo.html
ALl those things are non relevant legally speaking. The General Assembly link is KO, and this was only a motion, more than +40 years ago during the cold war with the logic of the block.
The only organization that can do a thing on this area and you know it is the UN Security Council.
Who requested in 63 to add the Sahara in the list of region to be decolonozied ? Morocco !
Who launched a war vs Spain in 1957-1958 to retrieve the Sahara ? Morocco and nobody else and certainly not the students which composed the Polisario front, or the sons of the spanishs collaborators (= traitors.)
All the rest are extreme leftists organization financed by interested organization.
Human Right Watch condmened the massive usage of torture in the Saharawis camp by the Polisario.
John Bolton is a neo con financed by the algerian money. That's funy you quote him.
You cannot talk about the Sahara issue without puting it in a geostrategic framework that of an Algerian plan to undermine Morocco. Unlike Algeria, Morocco is a nation-state, an empire that stretched until the river of Senegal !
@@walideg5304 Really sorry, but the UN Security Council doesn't control what I think. I think what Morocco has done in Western Sahara is criminal, and I'm ashamed of the actions of my own government to enable them. That's why I made the video (which I thank you for watching). :)
@@FredoRockwell and you and still the little hypocrite you are say nothing about the occupation of Catalonia and Basque Country.
@@walideg5304 I'm not commenting because I have no idea what you're talking about. Who is occupying these regions?
@@FredoRockwell Your gouvernement. Why are they political leaders in jail in Spain ? Why an autodetermination referendum is not possible in Spain ? Why does Spain as hypocrite as you continue to claim Gibraltar and occupy Sebta and Melilia ?
Well said bro .. thank you for your solidarity
Thank you! It was a real honour to make this video. I hope it reaches people.
Thank you for giving voice to the voiceless 🤝 free the people of Western Sahara 🇪🇭 #FreeWesternSahara
It is my honour to lend my voice in any way I can. 🙂
Go to sleep man sahara is moroccan
Thanks for watching! Western Sahara is Moroccan in the same way that Ukraine is Russian. Putin is using the same types of argument Morocco has made for decades to justify his invasion and kill innocent people.
@@FredoRockwell Na bro if they steal our land attack our civilians we are and always will be ready to strike back, and we're not the ones attacking the people living there they attack Moroccans that live in cities like Laayoune just like how the US wouldn't let some people creating a new country out of nowhere, and it's truly disgusting how you compare us to Russia.
@@yountube Thanks for watching! Invading an adjoining territory in the face of international law because of claims based on the distant past is wrong. I think this is what Russia is doing in Ukraine (it's what Putin says he's doing, so I'm just agreeing with him). It's also what I think Morocco did when it occupied Western Sahara. But I will give Morocco this - they certainly did a much better job at the invasion that Russia is managing at the moment!
Sahrawi could have been an elective presidential republic with a distant member of the Moroccan royal family as head of state, similar to how the Dutch Republic (precursor to the Netherlands) got a noble as its head of state, the "Stadtholder".
That's an interesting idea! Do you know if this was an idea that was ever considered, or is this a new idea you've had?
@@FredoRockwell Both,
And like I said, the Dutch Republic has a "stadtholder"
Hey man! Just wanted to say that this is a real good video! Your channel continues to be a wonderful window into interesting parts of the political world which are discussed no where else. To think I only looked you up after hearing about all the ice cream stuff!
I love your work, and I really hope that your videos pick up wider viewership. It's great stuff, and my viewing diet is much richer for your place in it.
Wow, thank you so much for this comment! It really means a lot to me. I hope you continue to enjoy my videos - I'm really excited by the next few in the pipeline!
Gracias por defender la legalidad y el derecho internacional en el Sahara Occidental! Gracias por dar voz a los que no tienen voz! Gracias.Gracias y mil gracias.
De nada, pero realmente tengo el honor de tener la oportunidad de compartir esta historia con el mundo. Espero que a medida que más personas conozcan esta historia, las injusticias sufridas por el pueblo saharaui algún día terminen.
I’m Moroccan but I say free Western Sahara 🇪🇭💕🇲🇦
Interesting video. I am still more on the side of Morocco's claims, but some your arguments at least made me look at things from a slightly different perspective.
To be honest it seems that Morocco is winning
They absolutely are. It's a tragedy!
Yep, because Moroccans are not gonna let the Algerian military regime creat a puppet state on our southern provinces,
It's not happening, deal with it.
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
@@yzwariij
Im so touched. we feel so guilty here in Morocco for being so evil. while "good men" do nothing to contribute in the destruction of our nation, and giving half of it to a communist desert gang stationed in Algeria.
Somaliland should be recognized like any other country..
I agree. What about Western Sahara?
Yeah they should be free cou.
Catalonia should also be free
Bravo for taking a position on this (although I'm not so sure I'd say the same if you took the "wrong" position).
I'll try my best to keep making the right decisions!
I love this series of unrecognised countries!
Glad you like them! There are more to come. I just spent the afternoon at an unrecognized embassy!
Damn, great video. Thank you for shining a light on this
Interesting how you state that South Africans help Morocco build the wall, because South Africa is one of the nations that supports the SADR. Would be interested to see what your source is on this.
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure this point is at all "interesting," at least in the sense of being surprising, as the South African government did not officially begin to support the SADR until 2004.
In the 1980s, when the berms were being constructed, South Africa was still ruled by the white minority and was an international pariah. Post-1994 South Africa is a very different country in terms of international relations. Now then, re sources - the help with the Berm construction is mentioned in Wikipedia (a source I generally try not to rely on) here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Western_Sahara_Wall#Construction.
In terms of a better source, there is an academic journal which describes much more extensive support for Moroccan forces from the South African military here, starting at the bottom of page 15: www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/26867918.pdf. The relevant section says: " the Moroccans received substantial financial and military support from the United States, France and South Africa. The arsenal of armaments used by them was quite extensive, they possessed F-5 and C-130 military aircraft, “Gazelle” helicopters, Ratel, Eland and AML-90MM armored personnel carriers, South African MK-6 armored reconnaissance vehicles, diverse anti-aircraft batteries, radar equipment and a large number of small arms. These countries did not only send arms, but also trainers and advisors for the Moroccans." It does not mention South African advisers helping with the berms specifically, but there is no doubt that Morocco received South African support.
One last point - I mentioned the help with the berm construction in the video more because I wanted to lay down the existing cooperation with Israel, which predated the deal brokered by Jared Kushner by decades. Here is a source for their involvement: www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2013/nov/walls#sahara The involvement of South Africa is not massively significant to the overall argument of the video (although it is interesting that Morocco was willing to cooperate with another regime with a terrible human rights record).
@@FredoRockwell thank you very much for the details. much appreciated!
@@MoroccanNationalDebateTeam Happy to help!
This is very impressive. Thank you for your well explained video.
Big up from Algeria 👍💪
Thank you! I'm really glad you liked it!
المغرب أخذ الصحراء بخيراتها
و الجزئر تحشاتلها بوليساريو تصرف عليها
Big up from Morocco
@@eternalm3859 +As always ... you only think money.
@@ARez-hc7ew
We always make the most delicious fish tajines in the beautiful desert beaches of southern Morocco.
it's sad you guys will never get a taste.
@@eternalm3859 stop the Brutual occupation poor Sahrawis
Great video. Be ready for a flood of Moroccan trolls once this video makes it onto the regime's radar.
Thank you! I'm ready - and the trolls are welcome. I had quite a few following my most recent video about Somalia and Somaliland.
@@FredoRockwell Like your tenacity and fearlessness in defending the ignored causes. Great principles !
@@ARez-hc7ew Thank you!
I liked a few of your other videos, but this one just screamed bias and a staunch position on one side that makes it *very* difficult to relate to the perspective taken, or in any way consider the claims made. If you had actually dug into the *reasons* why the Moroccan claims aren't so good, rather than just outright dismissing them you would have probably made a good video like your other ones. Cheers.
Thanks for watching, and for taking the time to leave your comment. I do take positions in my videos - not always, but I feel it is my duty when it is as clear as the issue in this video. I'm not sure it is bias to support Sahrawi independence, though, as I didn't begin making the video with this position. It developed over time as I researched the issue more and more. Regarding the Moroccan claims, the reasons they are not good is because they are not relevant in the consensus of international law which has overseen the decolonization process all around the world. I didn't spend time explaining them, or evaluating them, because they really aren't relevant (as the World Court found). The international consensus is that the people in former colonies should have the option to choose their future, not have it determined by the decisions of former colonies on their borders. There are examples of colonial populations not being offered independence (former German Togoland and the Southern Cameroons), but they were at least offered the chance to choose between which former colony to merge with (and tellingly, both these examples have led to modern-day independence movements). Anyway, if I'd spent 2-3 minutes explaining the historic claims to Greater Morocco, which date back centuries and involve people who are long dead, and how that should determine the fate of the people who were then alive in Spanish Sahara, I think that would have lent weight to the Moroccan argument that these positions were at all relevant. And they weren't. Anyway, I hope that makes sense. Glad you liked other videos! Be prepared for the occasional strong opinion - but I will try to back them up when I make them.
@@FredoRockwell what about Catalonia and Pais Basco hypocrite ? Catalonian leaders are in jail !
What about them? And why does naming random regions in a random country make me a hypocrite?! 🤣
@@FredoRockwell Why don't you answer ? Separatism is a dangerous ideology with no limit.
@@walideg5304 I haven't answered because your question makes no sense in context. I'm not a fan of separatism in general. I'm a fan on UN members adhering to the UN charter and other international agreements. I'm not a fan of one county invading another based on historic chains which predate the formation of the UN (as Russia has done in Ukraine).
No, your political leanings,background, or subconscious predispositions made you have a biased, pseudo-neutral perspective. Here are SOME points ( I hope you have space for self-criticism) :
2:00 Western Sahara was a colony, alright, so were other parts of Morocco, does that mean it's where its history started? By your Logic, Northern Morocco (Spanish colony) and central Morocco (French colony) are two separate entities and should be independent of each other. Spain claimed that the territory it colonized in the Sahara was terra nullius (inhabited by a small group of nomads and that it didn't belong to anybody) When Morocco raised this to the International Supreme court (although they had judges that belonged to countries that were part of the Soviet bloc and this issue was just a pawn piece in their broader cold war game) admitted that it was NOT terra nullius and that the majority of tribes there had LEGAL ALLEGIANCE to the sultan of Morocco. But they did not want to hand the Sahara to morocco on a silver platter.
..... I tried to pinpoint all of your misconceptions but realized that I would have to stop EVERY couple of seconds to correct MAJOR mistakes or misconceptions......
As far as Western Sahara's history as a colony goes, yes it started when it became a colony. I understand the argument that the people living in Western Sahara in 1975 should be denied the same rights extended to every other forget colony because of some maps drawn up several hundred years ago, but I think that's silly. It's not that I don't understand the argument, I just value people over the nationalistic appeals of autocrats. In this respect, I am not neutral, nor have I ever claimed to be. Thanks for watching!
@@FredoRockwell With all due respect, your “ I value people and the kindness of humanity and we are all one family under the blue sky and everybody should sing Kumbaya” is definitely noble but not realistic in how nation’s geopolitics work.
Oh the territory you call Western Sahara’s history started when it became a colony ? In that case :
The peaceful confederacy was an infant nation when the evil Union attacked it and annexed it in a war of aggression and expansion of some nationalistic autocrats back at the white house.
Better yet! The third Reich’s borders that spanned from France to Russia were unfairly attacked by The soviet Union and the allies simply because of “ nationalism “ . Don’t even get me started on Pearl Harbor, Japan was ALWAYS an empire that controlled ALL of Asia when suddenly the US dropped a couple of bombs. See how ridiculous and borderline insidious your selective history sounds ?
@@Saidxplore First of all, you misquoted me. :) Second of all, yes, autocratic regimes regularly engage in brute force to get their way with smaller neighbours. What's happening in Ukraine is a good example of this. But just because evil occurs on a regular basis doesn't stop it from being evil. I feel no obligation to change my views because the unelected leader of Morocco thinks I should, and I am free to express my opinions that the Moroccan regime has behaved badly. As for the status of Western Sahara, the decolonization process I've advocated is the one which is accepted as a consensus in international law. I know the Moroccan government doesn't like this, but that's just the way it is. Morocco is in violation of decisions of the International Court of Justice and the UN. It is not bound by these judgements, but neither is the world bound to make allowances for Morocco's crimes.
@@FredoRockwell Never have I claimed that Morocco is the pinnacle of freedom and democracy, what you mentioned about repression (although exaggerated) is not exclusive to western Sahara but all of Morocco until recently where we have been changing slowly but surely. You’re quick to point out Ukraine but radio silent on Palestine. Tell me, what have thousands of resolutions and International law and concepts such as justice and fairness done for Palestinians who’s lands have been seized and colonized by Europeans who force them to live in an apartheid state and brutalize and kill them on a regular basis ? Last I checked, your country violated International law and all the UN resolutions and invaded a sovereign country who didn’t attack it and massacred all the population and left it as a hell-hole with a “Oppsie no WMD here” what did International law and the UN do? NOTHING again ! Morocco learned that hypocrisy is not going to get it anywhere and NOBODY will free you nor grant you your rights if you don’t take them by force. Morocco took its Sahara and you can take your biased holier than thou opinion.
I haven't made a video about Palestine, but I don't think that counts as radio silence. Nor have I ever claimed that the US is guiltless either - quite the opposite. Nor do I think it's acceptable to make someone morally responsible for the wrongdoing of their government. I think Morocco's policy in Western Sahara had been immoral. Whatever other immoral actions other governments have taken doesn't excuse anything. And yes, the UN is deeply flawed, but that doesn't excuse wrongdoing either. By the way, my next video is about a proposal to fix the system. I don't endorse it but it's interesting. I hope you'll watch. 🙂
FREE WESTERN SAHARA
I'm with you there!!
LOL it's already free, come visit it and see for yourself.
@@eternalm3859 I am a Sahrawi. I have already visited. Is it free to have the Moroccan police detain you if you have the SADR flag?
@@imnotjustiny.5926 Thanks for sharing that! Getting detained for flying the wrong flag is something that also would happen in Belarus, North Korea, and Tibet. It's a massive violation of basic human rights of expression.
Yesterday, the united national antiwar coalition held its national conference in Minneapolis. One of the speakers on the Asia panel was a diplomat of Western Sahara and a member of the Polisario Front. Anti war activists are finally starting to pay attention to the issue
Thank you for sharing this!
@@FredoRockwell the important part about Morocco is that they play the same role in Africa that Israel does in the Middle East, and just like Israel, Morocco is isolated among its neighbors. The African union recognizes the independence of Western Sahara and Morocco is the only African country to be expelled from the African union
Thanks for shedding light on this ignored issue.
It is my privilege to do so! More to come in future. 🙂
That is a real problems of inhumane...I agree every nation have the right to get independence.. But, the problem is the evil colonial interest. ..When it comes their interest; what they called Democracy and human rights disappear..Why America support Morocco monarch ? I think is 2 thinks: 1. I heard, Morocco is the first country recognized American independence and opened first embassy, 2. Is the fosphress or fertilizer needed badly by American agriculture's....also, as you said, Israeli recognition..God help Saharaian people. Aamin
Thanks for watching and for your comment! I America used to be happy to support dictators around the world if they were seen as anticommunist. As POLISARIO was a socialist liberation movement, I think America supported Morocco because they thought it was the best strategy for the cold war. It was a huge mistake I'm my opinion.
its so fucked up. i feel so bad for them.
Thank you very much for this video but only few know about what has been happening and sadly many just don’t care
Very true, but it is my hope this story will reach a wider audience soon. And I'm hoping to do more videos - hopefully that will help some.
noting is really surprising out of everything since the government of imperialists countries will only care for the well-being of their elite. the us and its allies will keep supporting morocco because it benefits them not having anti-imperialists in power. this has happened time and time again in history and it will not stop until the majority of people are aware and prone to organize and unite against a common struggle.
Thanks for watching! I agree this story is sadly not very surprising. But I also believe that the US government ignores the plight of the Sahrawi people in large part because most Americans are unaware of this issue. The media simply didn't report on the Israel/Morocco deal properly. If people better understood what Trump did, and what Biden continues, it would be harder for the White House to continue this policy.
Western Sahara is Moroccan 🇲🇦 whether you like or not 😂
About 80% if it is, that's true. It's also 100% an illegal occupation, whether you like it or not. But thank you for watching and commenting - truly. 🙂
@@FredoRockwell yeah it is illegally occupied by the Polisario militia
@@FredoRockwell you are right mate
@@FredoRockwell there is absolutely no condamnation at the UN Security Council.
@@walideg5304 it's been a year since I made this video, but I'm not sure what your point is. Did I say there was one when there isn't? I'm confident there are General Assembly resolutions and International Court of Justice rulings, and I think those are what I mentioned.
It's not a country, you are not neutral defending a one party future dictatorship government.
We should hear the voice of people who lives in the moroccan controlled areas not algeria or Europe, with all due respect you know nothing about geopolitics and you should stay away from making videos about that.
To the viewers of this video, I recommend watching James Ker-Lindsay he covered the subject the way it should be.
I'm not neutral, no. How can I be neutral in the face of such huge injustice?! If an independent WS became a dictatorship I would condemn this, but being an independent dictatorship is still probably better than having a dictatorship imposed by a foreign military occupation.
@@FredoRockwell You made this video purposely for the POLISARIO front and not the people who suffer at the Algerian refugees camps these people don't even know their identities, they have no freedom of movement nor speech, former members who escaped the refugees camps to morocco have claimed that. So what kind of injustice you are talking about?
My sources are shown in the video, and there are links you can follow from the pinned comment. I did receive information from Polisario, but only about the internal politics of the SADR and life in the Liberated Territories. The information on human rights came from Freedom House, Human Rights Watch, and the Red Lines Podcast.
Calling Morocco invader when it was historicly a moroccan land before european colonization is nonsense
At least take into account the Moroccan arguments, and stop spreading complete disinformation on this subject.
If the UN and all the democratic countries in the world do not recognize RASD as a state, it must be a reason. Read the detailed Supreme Court report and you will understand that the situation is much more complex than you seem to imagine.
Coming from a Moroccan Sahraoui living in Laayoon the capital of moroccan sahara.
I don't think governments have to right to change national borders by force, and to do so is to be an invader. The reasons for not recognizing the SADR were totally political. As was the decision to trade recognition of the occupation in exchange for Morocco and Israel recognizing each other. But having reasons doesn't make a crime less shameful. Governments around the world so horrible things to people every day in the name of one reason or another. Spain and France had reasons for colonizing Morocco.
@@FredoRockwell
With all my respect but you have biais opinion on the subject, Morocco isn't that powerful to make anyone beleive or support its cause.
Yea but European did, look at Morocco map in 1900 before spain and france invasion and how it's today. Spain still today invade island at 100m from moroccan coast in north still have 2 cities inside Morocco territory Melilia and Sebta in Africa continent and claim it's europe. European countries especially Spain wanted countries in south to stay weak, so they made sure it's divided to economicly be easy to conquer.
Morocco is the one who asked for UN intervention in 1955, to stop Spain colonization even before Polisario was created in 1973 and RASD in 1976.
And what about UN also Morocco put pressure on them too ?
Also how can you say, it's democratic country when they have same president for 30 years, unique parti who is also an armed one. We just had election in Morocco 2 days ago with Sahara having more than 60% voter turnout, there was like in 2016 international supervisor let's wait for their report of 2021.
th-cam.com/video/81TEKF7CHJ0/w-d-xo.html
I invite to watch this report made by a spanish journalist who visited the camps in tindouf in Algeria and who visited laayoun in Morocco and see for yourself her conclusions and what she had seen so you know who you are defending and who you want us to be ruled by. And i hope you will tell me what you think about it. sorry for my english not my language hahaha. Have a nice day.
Also with respect, I don't agree with this type of argument. Polisario has its flaws, but that does not magically justify the Moroccan occupation. Nor do old maps or historic land claims. The fact is that the people of WS should have had the right to vote on their own future. The Moroccan government, with substantial help from the US and others, has conspired to deny this right (in contravention of international law). Whatever happens in Tindouf doesn't change these facts. But while Polisario has many shortcomings, it has signed the Geneva Call while Morocco continues to use landmines, and has opened itself up to international scrutiny in ways the Moroccan regime has not. But even if this was not the case, Morocco's occupation of WS is still a violation of international laws as agreed by every responsible world power since WWII. Also, I say all of this respectfully! 🙂
@@FredoRockwell
Flaws ? You are not the one living under their hell and propaganda, easy for you to use those kind of words. Open to international scrunity ? They even refuse census of the population living in Tindouf what are you talking about. Give us some example and stop spreading their propaganda. Did you even watch the documentary i shared with you ?
Million of landmines been put in 70' to protect population from Polisario guerilla attacks kidnaping on civilians, at that time it was the only solution Morocco got to protect 1600 Km of borders and after 88 when wall was complete, removed a lot of it and still continue to identify and remove the rest of it.
It really surprise what is called self-determination and how many part of the world did really get to choose in wich country it belongs. Saying that Morocco never refuse a self-determination, but got stuck with who gonna votes ? Spain Algeria claimed it should be 76,000 people that the Spaniards had identified during their colonization, knowing that a large part of the population of these regions had fled to the north when the Spaniards arrived. So for example my familly is not considered Sahraoui by Polisario as many others more than 60,000 people at that time just because they were afraid of what they are thinking. We will never accept RASD my generation know exactly what Spain Algeria Libya tried to do and what Algeria keep trying to do.
So when governements don't recognize them its a conspiracy, but Morocco illegal occupation its the Bible for you. So we should just accept borders put by foreigners and just forget about our history geography and what we are.
I don't care about what you think, i'm just concerned about misinformation on the subject you are spreading and denying the voice of many like me. Respect is shown by giving voice to the plurality of opinions and not by words.
I honestly don't think my video contains misinformation. It was my best attempt to determine the facts. And I was shocked by the actions of my own government most of all as I learned more. Fortunately there is an opportunity for everyone to do as I have done and come to their own decision and express their own views.
Morocco territory spanned half algeria, all moritania until the senegal river. That was before French and Spain occupation. You are completely biased.
I don't deny that at all - I just don't think it's a relevant fact. Just because at one point in its history a country was larger does not give it the right to break international law to occupy its neighbours. If this was considered okay to do, it would produce endless wars around the world.
Morocco was just represented by Marrakesh and Fes. Stop lying to yourself and get rid of the delusional expansionist ideology you were instilled by your ‘kings’
@@ARez-hc7ew i know you would believe your French mother more than anything th-cam.com/video/--i86UOfifY/w-d-xo.html
You said the Polisario has a democratic regime, and that's not true by any standard, the polisario government is a puppet military regime of the Algerian military regime. The sahrawis who actually participate in fair elections are in the Moroccan side.
You ignore the fact the the western Sahara is the richest and safest area in all the African Sahara, huge investments have been made there and the people enjoy the same rights as any Moroccan.
I lived there and I find your description of the situation under Moroccan rule insanely inaccurate and uninformed.
It's clear that you did your research for this video straight from the Algerian military regime's book. your video is one sided and full of lies and propaganda.
Thanks for watching! I would be interested to see if the information I had was indeed the same as the Algerian military regime's book. Can you provide a link to this source please?
@@FredoRockwell
One little question, you claim the Polisario are democratic, you claim their leader was elected.
Can you back your claim with a source? because I can't find any independent report about this supposed election.
This is the official news agency of the Algerian military government, take a look and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
If you want even more fun then check the Arabic version of the site.
This conflict is not Morocco VS poor Sahrawis, it's Morocco VS an Algerian backed organization.
Algeria, the country where the ruling regime killed 250 thousand of their own people just because the ruling party lost an election.
www.aps.dz/en/world
@@eternalm3859 I think I said the General Popular Congress elects the General Secretary. Here's a source where it was reported: www.reuters.com/article/uk-algeria-westernsahara-idUKKCN0ZP0LI
@@eternalm3859 it's the first time I've heard of this source. It's certainly not something I drew upon to make the video. The sources I used are mentioned in the video and in the pinned comment. 😀
There is no Western Sahara there is just Morocco
Thanks for watching!
In your dream 😴 dream on
It’s false, the sahraoui people who live in the city control in the Moroccan side all prefer behind in the Moroccan side, beetwen the Polisario side, the 100.000 people who live under corruption and poverty suffer from many problem, many of them try to join the Moroccan side, some of them successful but some of them get killed by "liberation front"
I recently met some Americans who traveled to occupied Western Sahara and lived with a Sahrawi family that openly called for Morocco to depart their country. Their house was surrounded by police 24 hours a day. The police world storm into the house in the middle of the night, and if I remember correctly actually blew a hole in the side of the house. I totally believed the accounts this person told me. I could see from her expression the fear she had felt herself. Both sides in this conflict make claims that are mutually exclusive. I suspect POLISARIO's side of the story isn't 100% correct, because that's just how life works. But on balance they are the ones who were invaded, and they seem more credible to me.
@@FredoRockwell in a War, they are no good side or Bad side, it's Always grey, it's just benefit from them self.
Not a relevant comment. You said people in occupied WS were happier than those in Tindouf. I gave you a clear counterexample. Your original point fails. As for this "war," Morocco invaded and acted illegally according to the International Court of Justice. Morocco can end the war anytime it wants by ending its occupation.
@@FredoRockwell my aunt actually live in the Laayoune who consider for you "occupated" by the Moroccan gouvernement, she tell us that they are no problem there, I visits him every year and I also see nothing suspicious, if the people of Western Sahara would really want there independent and not annex by Morocco, it would be like Palestine rigth now, because people there know who much is benefit to be more in the Moroccan gouvernement who have stability and lees corruption then a corrupted independent country who is really have instability and be under a state who is a puppet of another corrupted state, Morocco have actually the side of the Moroccan sahraoui people because they have ligitimity under this region who has been cut during the colonizations, Morocco just take back he’s land who was been stole by Spain.
Ok now do palestine
The people of Palestine are suffering terribly and the actions of the Israeli military amount to war crimes. The one thing Palestine is not suffering from, however, is attention. I tend to focus on underreported issues that the media ignores.
@@FredoRockwell lmao!!!! Attention? Buddy the mainstream news media still presents Palestinians as antisemitic blood thirsty monsters. They still present student protesters as useful idiots of Iran. Most people don’t know about the settlements in the West Bank, forced evictions, military courts for West Bank civilians, mass r@***p3s by the IOF, Gaza being cut off from food and clean water, right of return being denied, the nakbha. You clearly have a special interest in oppressed people groups and you can’t even talk about a genocide your tax dollars are funding?
@@FredoRockwell In Response I Am Boycotting This Channel (I Am Pro-Israel) BTW Has Palestine Ever Admitted It’s Own Problems Or Should I Boycott Palestine And Palestinian Products In Response To October 7th 2023 Attack
@@autismobinch135Palestinians? Or Pro-Palestine Student Protests Many Of Them Are Probably Not Even Palestinian
@@autismobinch135Where In The Common Media Does It Depict Palestinians As Anti-Jewish Or Anti-Israeli Monsters
How much Algeria paid you to say all this ?.
Not enough, that's for sure. I'm fact, they've not sent any money at all yet!! Do you think the Moroccan government would pay me?
@@FredoRockwell They won't. Because Morocco's case is legitimate and won't need to pay any money to anyone. Before occupation Morocco's map contains large parts of Algeria as well was what's considered today Mauritania . France annexed large parts of Morocco's territory to nowadays Algeria because they thought they will remain there forever. Western Sahara tribes always were ruled by Moroccan kings before Spain occupation. You are completely biased if only you mentioned Morocco's point of view and tried to be impartial. But you are definitely paid well.
I'll have to speak to my accountant about this. So far I've been told repeatedly that I'm being paid by the Algerian and Somaliland governments, and I've never seen a penny of it.
@@FredoRockwell it's clear you don't give a damn about doing any decent research.
@@fou9selk280 considering how little the Algerians are paying me, can you blame me?
Le sahara marocain est reconnu par 107 pays dans le monde.
Il est aussi reconnu par les usa israel l espagne l allemagne la france... et la ligue arabe...
Il y a plus de 25 ambassades ouvert au sahara marocain..
Le sahara est bien marocain.
Yes, that's the problem. Too many countries which helped create the UN and the post war consensus on decolonisation are violating their own principles by providing cover for Morocco's colonization of Western Sahara. 😢
@@FredoRockwell pourquoi tu ne parles pas d histoire avant l arrive des espagnoles...la mauritanie est aussi une creation de la france.la mauritani etait aussi marocain.
@mohaelmat3676 I don't mind talking about history, but when Morocco joined the UN it agreed to abide by a set of rules for post colonial self determination. If Morocco wants to break the rules it has agreed to, it's betrayal of those rules should be acknowledged and Morocco should do the honourable thing and withdraw from the UN. As a parriah state, Morocco can make up its own rules based on historical frameworks that the UN and the international system have rejected. Its actions will still be wrong, but at least they won't stink of hypocrisy.
The kingdom of Morocco 🇲🇦 is the strongest, Moroccan army got the supremacy of the sky with the modern western equipments and smart pilotes, the land tanks to the brave Moroccan soldiers and good weapons, the Atlantic ocean thanks to the marine forces. The top of all that the kingdom of Morocco took back a small part of its historical lands and borders from the Spanish and French colonialism, Algeria is afraid from Morocco to ask about his territories stolen from France and integrated to French Algeria as they call it, this is why Algerian military regime is trying to keep Moroccan army under pressure, because they know that they will defeat them as always.
At the main time the money of both Moroccan and Algerian people is wasted for buying weapons from westerns. Colonialism under other mask.
Thanks for watching!
The sahara is native to the indigenous amazigh. Moroccans are amazigh wheras sahrawi claim to be arabs.
Morocco did a good thing retaken her land back
Hiya, thanks for watching and commenting. Are you saying that the descendents of people who used to live in WS before the Sahrawi people have more rights to live in WS than the people who lived there before the Moroccan government invaded their land? On that basis, borders all around the world would have to be redrawn and everywhere would be in a state of war just like WS. It's a very grim way to organize the world's borders. 😢
Your video is full of lies, the desert was a Moroccoan territory before the Spanish colonization pffff
I don't think I lied about that. It's just that's not how the post-war consensus works. If Morocco wants the international order to work that way it should never have signed the UN Charter. Being a UN member but refusing to abide by its rules would make Morocco's leadership a bunch of liars. Is that your position?
@@FredoRockwell bro, Polisario is just a gang created by alkadafi and Algeria to divide morocco. And your videos if full with crap, either you don’t know the story, or you just lied.
@@FredoRockwell i’m sorry, your video is ALL lies broo WTFF
It's okay. When you've heard propaganda your entire life hearing an opposing viewpoint can be a shock. Someday I hope you are able to accept that invading a neighboring county because of centuries old claims that are rejected by the international community is not okay. It's not okay for Putin. It wouldn't be okay for China to invade Taiwan. It wasn't right for Morocco to invade Spanish Sahara.
@@FredoRockwell bro there’s no propaganda, there’s only historical documents to prouve our points, i don’t care if you’ve sided with terrorism but you should know my freind that the Sahara is always moroccan and it’s will be always Moroccan. End of discussion
Well said bro .. thank you for your solidarity