Hi Luuk. As usual, great material here. The format is just perfect to get valuable advice without being overwhelmed with tons of information. Thanks for the great work.
Great video but I think the a875ds hand at 7:12 is not a good example since just prior you said these middling hands are easily dominated. The only thing you got going with that one is ONE nut suit, really. It works as a semi-bluff I suppose with the ace blocker.
Older video but in general it would work nicely to quickly address which changes would make hand viable/good 3bet candidate. Like for example on BU having KQQJ would be much more reasonable having AQQJ.
Only a beginner but I think 3bet bluffing is not something I’d bother with as you rarely see folds. I’m actually tightening up as I was way overvaluing KK hands,thanks for the lesson !
I loved it. The results of the hand don't matter, just how to plan accordingly pre-flop. It turns out I need a 4-betting range. Thank you for the video.
On the last example with queens and single suit on the button. IMO seems like a decent play to 3 bet because of isolation and not letting the blinds in? I don't like having multiple people with four hole cards getting to see a flop for cheap, but I totally understand your stratt. Thx for sharing this video, looking forward to viewing more!
What are the pros and cons of not fully repotting in a three bet? Ex) V1 open pots for 3.5bb we 1) 3 bet to 14bb or 2) 3 bet to 9bb I see a lot of live plo players doing the 2 nd options
On your first example at 100+ bb stacks, even ss, do you still recommend just letting mid rundowns go over 3betting? My logic is this type of hand improves our board coverage and plays better vs 1 opponent over multiple. Appreciate the content as well!
Recently made a video on this topic in the PLO Mastermind in our new course Crushing Small Stakes PLO. If you are into that make sure to watch it. As you learn there when opponents fold less often vs 3bets we want to lower our 3bet frequency and take it easy with our bluffing part
This is nice advice and all but it doesn't tell us what hands SHOULD we 3bet except the obvious AAxx. And if we only 3bet with AAxx then our opponents are going to play very easy against us and lead out on low card boards.
I should make a video like this but a hold em version. Anytime I get 3b I say “my opponent shouldn’t 3b this it’s not a good hand and he can get 4b a lot since he doesn’t have an Ace blocker”
I try to play to my best and get on tilt because of some players who will go all in with hands like 3567 and you holding AAK10, they will hit straight majority of the time, or two pair.
@@LuukBotter86 If the 3567 is double suited and the AAKT is rainbow, the 3567 is actually a 50,22% favourite, so it's not that simple. Also, everyone knows most 4bets are aces and often worse aces than those, so I (and most ppl) will happily jam 3567ds against 4bets. And in multiway all in pots it's often even a clear favourite. PLO is just a sick game that's all there is to it. Micro stakes PLO is absolute mental torture lol.
Hi Wonton, I have two pair (75) vs my opponent having one pair (Q). You should use two or your hole cards always and three from the board to make the best 5-card combination.
This is a huge leak that pros like you have. That last hand. Trying to check raise and such.. he actually played It very well and you got lucky. And then you missed out on value on the turn. And flop too. Oh well. Overall good video.
How is it that i missed out on value on the flop? Would you lead here? And what is your argument for doing so? What makes you say he did play the hand very well here? Would you say his check back is good and what speaks for/against this?
@@LuukBotter86 I have no problem how the hand played out pre flop being that I’m not sure if your range advantage is better than his. That being said then you go ahead and flop a huge hand. What type of hands are you trying to get value from? And what type of hands is he going to bet there? When if he bets he can easily be bluffed off the type of hand he had so he’s probably going to check most streaks while you sit there and try to trap and go for such an obvious check raise. . Pros do this all the time. It’s so easy to exploit. They always try and go for check raise, then what value are you getting from check raise? If you lead the flop he’s not folding if he has QQKKAA probably doesn’t have AA but he could have it and try to trap you and play on later streaks which is exactly what he did with his hand. So if you lead there he’s going to call. Then you can easily check the turn and then try to check raise or just bet small and induce a bluff. So many more options than trying to check raise. I’ve done this a ton in his spot against pros they constantly try to check raise and I just check check and call river or check river and then I can just play my hands real strong when i know they have a hand and I have a range advantage or I flop real big hand where they can have also a big hand. In my opinion you just get more options and more value from many more hands that he could have by betting that hand then by checking. I see this every single day especially live. 3 pros at the table playing tight aggressive and always trying to check raise when they have big hands. It’s become so obvious that it’s exploitable. I’m not sure what the GTO strategy is here but from exploitative standpoint I personally just hate how you played the hand. You even decided “im gonna go ahead and go for check raise” without even thinking how to extract more value. When pros do this to me and I have a hand like his i just fold.. you get wayyyyy less value in the long run from that. Then the pro just thinking’s he can always make me fold Kk AA hands and then you can get win big pot from them the next time they try check raise me and I have them trapped with a real hand... you have much more of a chance of him trying to bluff you there if you lead out and he raises you than trying to check raise and praying he calls you....
A bit late to the party here - Luke is correct that single suited QQ + KJ is mostly not a 3-bet. Had it been double suited then it's 100% a 3-bet and most probably a fold if 4-bet (you don't block aces and the proximity effect vs AA trashes your range post flop). It's true that he flopped lucky (trips) and then FH on the turn but Luke is again correct that he does not have a leading range as 3-bet caller. Not betting the turn is probably a mistake, but not betting the Ace on the river is 100% understandable as Luke realizes he looses to Aces full (most 3-betting ranges a AA heavy). In any case, the point here is that single suited broadway pairs are mostly played as calls and not 3-bets.
No I think he does understand it. He’s saying lots of things that aren’t correct. The video guy is basically saying don’t have a balanced range. Only 4 bet with the nuts, and mainly 3 bet with the nuts. Just not true
If you have any suggestions of videos you would like to see let me know in the comments below.
@@LuukBotter86 i would love to know the minimum 3bet and 4bet range for each position maybe in one of your videos.
Hi Luuk. As usual, great material here. The format is just perfect to get valuable advice without being overwhelmed with tons of information. Thanks for the great work.
Thanks Sire!
just starting low limit PLO.. Everyone in my game is terrible. Just trying to get some basic strat down. ty for the video.
Thanks Pat! Welcome to the channel! I hope you will find some value in it! GL on your journey!
Just started myself 2 months ago and can see that people play it like it’s Holdem.OMG THEY ARE SO BAD
Great video but I think the a875ds hand at 7:12 is not a good example since just prior you said these middling hands are easily dominated. The only thing you got going with that one is ONE nut suit, really. It works as a semi-bluff I suppose with the ace blocker.
Great video, very simplistic approach. Easy to digest! Thanks Luuk
Thanks!!
Thankyou for your valuable information!
Hello Im a japanese poker player. , Im so happy because I discover this youtube CH. In japan I cant get nice strategy site about PLO. thank you!
Good content luke keep the content coming!!!!
Thanks for the kind words appreciate it!
Older video but in general it would work nicely to quickly address which changes would make hand viable/good 3bet candidate. Like for example on BU having KQQJ would be much more reasonable having AQQJ.
Hey Jari, thanks for the suggestion and feedback! Lets Crush! Good at the tables
Great video. Can you make one about mistakes calling 3bets out of position?
Thanks for the suggestion! Will definitely look into that one
As I started juts now with PLO, your videos are really great
Thanks! GL with your journey
Only a beginner but I think 3bet bluffing is not something I’d bother with as you rarely see folds.
I’m actually tightening up as I was way overvaluing KK hands,thanks for the lesson !
Hi Gerry, great idea to stop 3-betting bluffing if you have no fold equity preflop!
I loved it. The results of the hand don't matter, just how to plan accordingly pre-flop. It turns out I need a 4-betting range. Thank you for the video.
Your welcome! Happy it helps! What games are you currently playing and how long do you already play PLO?
Thanks, well presented and clear points.
Great video! Can totally foresee my game improving inspired on this logic, deeply appreciated Luuk!!
Happy to hear this!
On the last example with queens and single suit on the button. IMO seems like a decent play to 3 bet because of isolation and not letting the blinds in? I don't like having multiple people with four hole cards getting to see a flop for cheap, but I totally understand your stratt. Thx for sharing this video, looking forward to viewing more!
I think this would be a 3 bet if double suited
Thanks. Great video, man.
do you lose a hand occasionally?
Lol 😂
😂😂😂
Welcome to the platform Luuk!
Thanks andreas!
Great video
More please on strategy and micro stakes
I will do that for sure! Thanks for the kind words! happy newyear
What are the pros and cons of not fully repotting in a three bet? Ex) V1 open pots for 3.5bb we
1) 3 bet to 14bb or
2) 3 bet to 9bb
I see a lot of live plo players doing the 2 nd options
On your first example at 100+ bb stacks, even ss, do you still recommend just letting mid rundowns go over 3betting? My logic is this type of hand improves our board coverage and plays better vs 1 opponent over multiple. Appreciate the content as well!
what about double paired hands? especially with bad doubles like 8822
Thanks, this was helpful! How about a video about balancing your 3bet ranges?
Recently made a video on this topic in the PLO Mastermind in our new course Crushing Small Stakes PLO. If you are into that make sure to watch it. As you learn there when opponents fold less often vs 3bets we want to lower our 3bet frequency and take it easy with our bluffing part
This is nice advice and all but it doesn't tell us what hands SHOULD we 3bet except the obvious AAxx. And if we only 3bet with AAxx then our opponents are going to play very easy against us and lead out on low card boards.
Good point! I will cover that in future episodes as well! This video wasnt made for that purpose but more to show certain mistakes many players make.
new sub, great video
Welcome and thanks for subscribing!
Great pace don’t change that pls
I should make a video like this but a hold em version. Anytime I get 3b I say “my opponent shouldn’t 3b this it’s not a good hand and he can get 4b a lot since he doesn’t have an Ace blocker”
what a life, wins every hand. Wish i could hold like that
Unfortunately it doesnt always go like this :)
Thanks !
I try to play to my best and get on tilt because of some players who will go all in with hands like 3567 and you holding AAK10, they will hit straight majority of the time, or two pair.
That can be frustrating yes totally! Just keep in mind you making the best play will make you money in the long run there!
@@LuukBotter86 If the 3567 is double suited and the AAKT is rainbow, the 3567 is actually a 50,22% favourite, so it's not that simple. Also, everyone knows most 4bets are aces and often worse aces than those, so I (and most ppl) will happily jam 3567ds against 4bets. And in multiway all in pots it's often even a clear favourite. PLO is just a sick game that's all there is to it. Micro stakes PLO is absolute mental torture lol.
3567 especially double suited is a hand that's not tilt-worthy, I lose buy in after buy in pre all in to hands like QT75 single suited
The 7:45 hand how do you have the winning hand?
Hi Wonton, I have two pair (75) vs my opponent having one pair (Q). You should use two or your hole cards always and three from the board to make the best 5-card combination.
On the 1st example, most online poker sites would have give the 5876 dude an unbeatable straight 💀
This is a huge leak that pros like you have. That last hand. Trying to check raise and such.. he actually played It very well and you got lucky. And then you missed out on value on the turn. And flop too. Oh well. Overall good video.
How is it that i missed out on value on the flop? Would you lead here? And what is your argument for doing so?
What makes you say he did play the hand very well here? Would you say his check back is good and what speaks for/against this?
@@LuukBotter86 I have no problem how the hand played out pre flop being that I’m not sure if your range advantage is better than his. That being said then you go ahead and flop a huge hand. What type of hands are you trying to get value from? And what type of hands is he going to bet there? When if he bets he can easily be bluffed off the type of hand he had so he’s probably going to check most streaks while you sit there and try to trap and go for such an obvious check raise. . Pros do this all the time. It’s so easy to exploit. They always try and go for check raise, then what value are you getting from check raise? If you lead the flop he’s not folding if he has QQKKAA probably doesn’t have AA but he could have it and try to trap you and play on later streaks which is exactly what he did with his hand. So if you lead there he’s going to call. Then you can easily check the turn and then try to check raise or just bet small and induce a bluff. So many more options than trying to check raise. I’ve done this a ton in his spot against pros they constantly try to check raise and I just check check and call river or check river and then I can just play my hands real strong when i know they have a hand and I have a range advantage or I flop real big hand where they can have also a big hand. In my opinion you just get more options and more value from many more hands that he could have by betting that hand then by checking. I see this every single day especially live. 3 pros at the table playing tight aggressive and always trying to check raise when they have big hands. It’s become so obvious that it’s exploitable. I’m not sure what the GTO strategy is here but from exploitative standpoint I personally just hate how you played the hand. You even decided “im gonna go ahead and go for check raise” without even thinking how to extract more value. When pros do this to me and I have a hand like his i just fold.. you get wayyyyy less value in the long run from that. Then the pro just thinking’s he can always make me fold Kk AA hands and then you can get win big pot from them the next time they try check raise me and I have them trapped with a real hand... you have much more of a chance of him trying to bluff you there if you lead out and he raises you than trying to check raise and praying he calls you....
@@LuukBotter86 hope I make sense my friend. I love your videos. Just giving my opinion.
A bit late to the party here - Luke is correct that single suited QQ + KJ is mostly not a 3-bet. Had it been double suited then it's 100% a 3-bet and most probably a fold if 4-bet (you don't block aces and the proximity effect vs AA trashes your range post flop). It's true that he flopped lucky (trips) and then FH on the turn but Luke is again correct that he does not have a leading range as 3-bet caller. Not betting the turn is probably a mistake, but not betting the Ace on the river is 100% understandable as Luke realizes he looses to Aces full (most 3-betting ranges a AA heavy). In any case, the point here is that single suited broadway pairs are mostly played as calls and not 3-bets.
amazing video
Thanks!
It's now 2023.. is the Last hand(KQQJss) still not a candidate to 3b pre?
Generally not no, unless you play against a very wide range
should we just flatting KQQJ 10:56 instead of 3bet?
Yes this hand is a flat correct.
Guy runs like God
only if it happened like that online, usually all those inferior hands wouldve won online.
I lose with AA majority of the time, raising pre flop and get re raised and re raising again, all in both of us.
But, can we bet this hands? I mean the popularion limp very much
I feel like you should have lost that first lot, it would have been more realistic. He just flips a straight and that’s that
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You have to explain that this hand is not a 3 bet candidate?
Can you be more specific? Which hand?
Last hand was played pretty badly
There were no suckouts in these scenarios and shouting. Too calm..
haha :) sorry about that!
You were lucky to outflop him in the 3rd hand and you still got minimal value. That was a piss poor example of well...everything.
You didn't understand the point of the video.
No I think he does understand it.
He’s saying lots of things that aren’t correct. The video guy is basically saying don’t have a balanced range. Only 4 bet with the nuts, and mainly 3 bet with the nuts. Just not true