"There are many princes and there will continue to be thousands more, but there is only one Beethoven." - Ludwig van Beethoven to Prince Karl von Lichnowsky.
"There are many musical geniuses and there will continue to be thousands more, but there is only one Prince" - Rogers Nelson, formerly known as Prince, to Beethoven
Fascinating history discussion. Classical music and history are some of my two favorite subjects. Your videos are always very detailed (and your cadence is deeply relaxing). Thank you, my good man!
Perhaps the "myth" of the destitute artist happened once it became clear that art was a chance to win big, so more people were trying to be successful artists, but failing.
I pretty much have the same take on the change in musicians’ status that this video explores … except that there is one massive outlier: Handel, completely contemporary with Bach, was freelance in London for decades, many years before Mozart’s famous row with his patron the Archbishop of Salzburg in 1781.
As mass society decays and AI begins to write modern pop music, it's possible we'll see a return to the patronage system as wealthy donors desire more authentic music; either because they love it or as a status symbol.
Right, exactly like how some rich high class people have entire collections of art pieces for the sole purpose of gloating that they have them every once in a while.
Bach had disputes with employers and was even jailed for 30 days once for wanting to work elsewhere. This video relates popular music artists today with classical composers, but in my view its not quite the same thing. Forms of what was essentially pop music existed back then but it wasn't notated and was before recording technology. Classical music has never had a really wide audience, it is more musician's music. There are still some excellent composers today but don't get as much attention or celebrity status (that can have its advantages in my view). I would rather be a musician making a decent living than a rich and famous celebrity personally.
Where are the managers and agents who manipulate it, in your comment..... While artists get all the negative attention but the producers get millions as well. As Lisa Marie Presley said the producers expected of her to wear sexy clothes in concerts when she released first CD. She said the more they forced her as the mother of two kids, the more she decided to wear male pants and male boots. As Gail Dines said Miley Cyrusas a teenage girl looked very normal, but the producers noticed that she is going to be an adult and they didn't want to lose money so they changed her image to sexualize her, to make her look like a vulgar sex idol, in order to make millions. because they thought as an ordinary singer she would not look very interesting for the fans. Or do you think the 17 years old girl made the big decision on her own to change to sex idol over the night? Isn't it too much coincidence that all the young stars look like that including Britney Spears who says the doctors gave her drugs to perform etc.
You're making a serious categorical error: today's popular entertainers aren,'t real musicians. Otherwise, the historical creation of the Bourgeoisie gave the Wagner/Verdi's a marketing edge over the bach/Mozarts...
No, I would not consider either John Williams, or Priesner, or Morricone as "popular" composers. Rather, like classicists of the past, they've composed for popular entertainment.(Think of 1812 Overture), Otherwise, serous cinema has indeed proven to be a worthy vector of serious music: eg Priesner's "Ean tais Glossis" in "Blue" and Morricone's ""Addio Monti" in "I Promissi Sposi".... So what you have is Classicism continuing to remain vibrant via (certain) film--which is good. This means that the creators of film demand high classical skill frm their composers--likewise. good. But all of tis evades the issue: in general. amerikun musik iz palookaville listening to palooka musik. Taylor Swift could have easily become the next Jori Graham, but chose $ instead...all th more reason to hate middel amerikunz
"There are many princes and there will continue to be thousands more, but there is only one Beethoven." - Ludwig van Beethoven to Prince Karl von Lichnowsky.
Beethoven certainly didn’t suffer from low self-esteem. However, in his case it was thoroughly justified. 😊
"There are many musical geniuses and there will continue to be thousands more, but there is only one Prince" - Rogers Nelson, formerly known as Prince, to Beethoven
Fascinating history discussion. Classical music and history are some of my two favorite subjects. Your videos are always very detailed (and your cadence is deeply relaxing). Thank you, my good man!
Perhaps the "myth" of the destitute artist happened once it became clear that art was a chance to win big, so more people were trying to be successful artists, but failing.
One of my favorite videos so far. Excellent as always
I pretty much have the same take on the change in musicians’ status that this video explores … except that there is one massive outlier: Handel, completely contemporary with Bach, was freelance in London for decades, many years before Mozart’s famous row with his patron the Archbishop of Salzburg in 1781.
As mass society decays and AI begins to write modern pop music, it's possible we'll see a return to the patronage system as wealthy donors desire more authentic music; either because they love it or as a status symbol.
Right, exactly like how some rich high class people have entire collections of art pieces for the sole purpose of gloating that they have them every once in a while.
I could just feel the eye rolling in the Bach letter.
Yes. I imagine Bach was thinking, “ Why do I have to suck up to this titled idiot?”
I only know Handel who was wealthy from Baroque era, but I don't know any musician who is famous but not wealthy today
There are many artists who become famous years after the music or even after their death
Michael Jackson was said to attempt the life of a billionaire with the budget of a millionaire.
Whoa, Bach's 1721 letter to the Margrave of Brandenburg was written in French!?
French was the lingua franca in 18th-century Europe. All educated people spoke it.
Beethoven including chorus in his 9th
Bach had disputes with employers and was even jailed for 30 days once for wanting to work elsewhere. This video relates popular music artists today with classical composers, but in my view its not quite the same thing. Forms of what was essentially pop music existed back then but it wasn't notated and was before recording technology. Classical music has never had a really wide audience, it is more musician's music. There are still some excellent composers today but don't get as much attention or celebrity status (that can have its advantages in my view). I would rather be a musician making a decent living than a rich and famous celebrity personally.
Classical music was written for educated people, not for the masses. That may sound snobbish, but it’s true.
Not all change is for the better
0:51 I can hardly believe my ears. This is BACH! THE BACH! The prince should be begging Bach to compose for him, not the other way around!
Funny how the greater appreciations and status of the artist was not always for the best of the quality of his art
Where are the managers and agents who manipulate it, in your comment.....
While artists get all the negative attention but the producers get millions as well.
As Lisa Marie Presley said the producers expected of her to wear sexy clothes in concerts when she released first CD.
She said the more they forced her as the mother of two kids, the more she decided to wear male pants and male boots.
As Gail Dines said Miley Cyrusas a teenage girl looked very normal, but the producers noticed that she is going to be an adult
and they didn't want to lose money so they changed her image to sexualize her, to make her look like a vulgar sex idol, in order to make millions.
because they thought as an ordinary singer she would not look very interesting for the fans.
Or do you think the 17 years old girl made the big decision on her own to change to sex idol over the night?
Isn't it too much coincidence that all the young stars look like that including Britney Spears who says the doctors gave her drugs to perform etc.
You're making a serious categorical error: today's popular entertainers aren,'t real musicians. Otherwise, the historical creation of the Bourgeoisie gave the Wagner/Verdi's a marketing edge over the bach/Mozarts...
I will disagree. There are many with skills. Many of the movie composers are paid well for their music and we celebrate them. John Williams.
No, I would not consider either John Williams, or Priesner, or Morricone as "popular" composers. Rather, like classicists of the past, they've composed for popular entertainment.(Think of 1812 Overture),
Otherwise, serous cinema has indeed proven to be a worthy vector of serious music: eg Priesner's "Ean tais Glossis" in "Blue" and Morricone's ""Addio Monti" in "I Promissi Sposi"....
So what you have is Classicism continuing to remain vibrant via (certain) film--which is good. This means that the creators of film demand high classical skill frm their composers--likewise. good.
But all of tis evades the issue: in general. amerikun musik iz palookaville listening to palooka musik. Taylor Swift could have easily become the next Jori Graham, but chose $ instead...all th more reason to hate middel amerikunz
5:07 .. come to a revolutionary climax in France. Nobody suspected the French of being heroic.
The French were not always as they are today.
Where is chopin and Tchaikovsky
Where, indeed?
They have kiss together 😱
That’s sick.🤢🤮
Besides, Chopin was no fan of Russians. 🇵🇱
Now music is bullshit no beautiful melody and great harmony without instruments only computer sample