peukhue being called the language of evil is so so funny to me like i imagine a little bastard man ready to commit so many crimes with a look of mischief
I made a personal dialect of Toki Pona that I named Tūki Suli (literally Long Speech). The only difference is that the vowel sounds for o and e don't exist. Instead, they're replaced by long u and long i, respectively. So the vowels are a, i, ī, u, ū.
bold move, to make a tokiponido, with words, for values, greater than 10^63 or 2^156, because those numbers are larger than: the number of cubicMeters/electrons/protons/neutrons within the visible universe. i have a special place for a conlang that acknowledges the [library of babel/discord]
I've been thinking of making a new minimalistic conlang for a while, similar to the phonology of tuki tiki but with a vocabulary similar to the amount in toki pona. I considered different ideas such as letting the first syllable of each word give a hint about what the word is about, or reversing the two syllables of words to create new words with opposite meanings and therefore reduce the amount of time needed to learn new words. It'll be interesting to see how yours will be, since you've seen many different ideas tried in these different mini conlangs and which ideas are more likely to work or not work.
Now you mention it, a quinary (?) numerical system is kind of adorable. It lacks the snootiness of senary system and evokes a people who are used to counting things on one hand. It's also convertible.
@@ollllj personally, I had a hard enough time writing down the multiplication table of dozenal, I feel 20 is too much work to gain too little On the contrary, I learnt the entire seximal table in an evening. On top of that, since 6=2*3 and 6 is between 5 and 7, seximal has some excellent mathematical properties. It's probably the best system for the least ammount of effort to learn it
Hi! I made Bon Wen about 10 years ago when I didn't know as much as I do now. If I remember correctly, I think the idea behind "na" and "te" was supposed to be that it gave more freedom, so that, for example, a person can say "my eyes" like this "oko te ko" or like this "ko na oko".
Several years ago I created a Toki Pona relex, danga. All the words were replaced by CV or CVn forms, using most or all of the consonant letters in the English alphabet and the five vowel letters. "N" was not used initially because I used it to create (usually) the opposite, so "dan" ('toki') is the opposite of "da", while "ga" is 'pona'. I also changed at least one grammar rule of TP so that the equivalent of "ona" does not require the equivalent of "li" before a verb; all three pronouns have the same grammar. Since the words are so short, spaces are used only between clauses, not between individual words. I used to have a Yahoo group for danga, but I think it's defunct now but possibly saved elsewhere before Yahoo got rid of its groups, and my computer files for it are on a defunct computer.
As a Arabic-speaking Muslim calling the Moon “suno pimejan” hurt me to the core we culturally use ‘moon ‘ a lot of places where non-Muslim Americans use the sun. I.e “you are the moonlight of my life” as opposed to sunshine. And phrases of the like. 😭😭 Imma call the sun the “yellow moon” from now on out of spite lmao
@@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa Gender, not just binary. Gender being a social construct doesn't validate removing it entirely. What about Non Binary genders? What about race?
I kinda want to make a tokiponido with nearly identical syntax but a slightly expanded lexicon so that you can express more (cough cough) _complicated_ concepts (sorry!) in it. Maybe it's counterproductive, but it makes sense in my head to have just a lil more specificity in vocab :3
Rank also "Wen Hop". It is a fan language used be SpaceX fanboys. It uses the words "Wen Hop" for variety of questions about technological progress. Lately it have received an new word, so the phrase "Wen Orbit" is now used for questions about technological progress that is supposed to have answer of huge significance.
poohoo being "the language of evil" is honestly very fitting because it's like. Everything about it is like the antithesis of _pona,_ like, as a concept kldjfhglskdjfhgk
make more info? pffffffffffff nah enjoy being in darkness, fools ( ~mama pi luka pona) (luka pona kinda became a bit more of a personal language after I realised it was a little bit too complex to say that its pona imho, so if and when I feel its ready I'll try to do more) Edit: for the reason above the old luka pona is dead. I have started a server to restart the new luka pona upon similar principles but this time as a community lead initiative :) discord.gg/KUj2SWc
@@that_orange_hat my channel is where I used to post stuff about it, I also did a grammar document, but dictionaries for sign languages are difficult at best so I never managed to put one out. if you wanna use a signed toki pona I suggest using toki pona luka (as sonja lang made it) with maybe some grammatical elements from my doc right now :)
i've ben learning toki pona but struggling with the grammar rules, and have long been learning japanese (slowly) and find its grammar easier. so i keep accidentally mashing toki pona words into a japanese sentence structure and have given up fixing it- please welcome, Tonihona
to make single syllable Tokiponido, you just need to reduce it to 64 words, and then make an 8x8 grid of 8 vowels and 8 consonants. Adding 3 BASIC german umlauts (ae, oe, ue) to 5 classic vowels does the trick with the most compatibility, without adding new sounds: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_(diacritic) you may use [8 vowels syllables without consonants] as snntax like below: do not use any suffixes to indicate gender/time/number/case (like latin does excessively) , as that seems to just not be a Tokiponido at heard any more. instead, use [8 vowels without consonants] as separators or modifiers, where some of them may also toggle between modes (like the contextual tokiponido word(s)) a negation-mode/modifier is an obvious choice, added by many tokiponidos, but we can do better group-theory than that, by instead having a word, that modifies a whole sentence (context) (or just the previous word) like NAND, and another one that modifies in the same way, along a different domain, but like XOR. with very few mode switches==moves, you can easily get to rubix-cube complexity of modes==groupTheory(Caley graphs) th-cam.com/video/vzEObOzsSKY/w-d-xo.html but oh now, keep it simple. maybe just a quaternion Q8 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion or an octonion or sedenion ' Caley graph (the graphs for memonics, not the graphs of not even commutative permutations) We may use Ä Ö Ü (a bit more) for special (advanced/moreSpecific language) word modes, which is reserved for more specific words, that may only be relevant within a certain profession/caste/branch. one branch may be more precise in arithmetic, for a trade/administrative branch. one branch may be more for complex data structures, for a scientific branch. one branch may be more imperative, and a bit more more like lobjan, for a military/judicative branch. These branches can be ignored for the common folks, that do not often deal with this profession. these special words are only used between 2 speakers, that work within in the same branch.
I don't understand what you mean by adding three umlauts without adding new sounds. Do you mean make a difference in the writing but not in speech? And how do you get your 8 vowels x 8 consonants = 64 monosyllabic roots without those three umlaut vowels, which would then surely need to be pronounced? Incidentally if you did get 64 monosyllables they would just be CV, and you could easily get back to 120 (+8) by optionally adding a coda N as original TP does. But you don't even need more than 5 vowels to do this. Just have 12 consonants (not hard), multiply by 5 vowels for 60 CV syllables, with optional coda N for 120 overall. And if 12 consonants is too many (not in most natlangs!) allow more codas, like M or L, or even W or Y/J (/j/). If just allowing N and M you just need 8 onset consonants. In short, monosyllabic TP is pretty easy even given TP's limited phonotactics, without adding previously unused and possibly 'difficult' sounds.
Personally I don't go along with this adoption of an Esperanto word ('Esperantido') into English without modification; I prefer 'Esperantid' which uses the same Ancient Greek suffix borrowing but in a native English way. So similarly 'Tokiponid'.
Modifiers coming before the main noun or concept has a lot of problems. But people don't realize it because they only look at the simplest and shortest cases and derek: is it such a big deal?"
You had me at hating Lojban, lost me at hating Esperanto, then got me back at binary gender being a social structure. What a roller coaster if emotions lol
@@FreakishSmilePA when you learn something, only to realize it's not very good according to people, but you just can't hate it nor abandon it anymore because you've invested so much into it i feel you lol
@@exxelsetijadi5348 Well, not necessarily. In my case, I was well aware of the usual complains people have about Esperanto, even before learning it. As I learned it, I realized that they're not really as big an issue as people claim. It turns out, you shouldn't trust too much people complaining about stuff they don't really know that well. Meanwhile, I also learned English, am struggling with Chinese for some time, plus my native Spanish, none of which is a perfect language by any means. Esperanto is better, simple as that.
One thing that I noticed in Name Mini is that it doesn't have the sound /j/, and has /dʒ/ instead. This means that a name like "Brian May" must become something like "Brahjun Mej".
there aren’t any phonotactics described, so it’s conceivable that u could use the vowel /i/ instead of /j/? but you’re absolutely right that is a weird omission i should have mentioned! good catch!
@@robdoghd This does make the name sound closer to the original, but since the stress must always be on the second-to-last syllable, you get "brah-EE-un"...
Are there any tokiponidos that are pretty much just toki pona with English sentence structure (I just wanna see If there's all ready a name for it before I come up with one)
What is wrong with esperanto? 😡 If you had esperanto on your CV you would boost your chances of getting a job.. and if someone calls you racist then you can just say you know the international language that we should be required to speak
I’m guessing that Bon Wen’s “te” vs. “na” distinction changes whether the modifier is interpreted as an adjectiv(al phras)e or a noun (clause). So “toki te pona” means “language of goodness” and “toki na pona” means “good language”, while “toki pona” can mean both.
Im making my own one whitout knowing toki pona it's just a rewording so that my group can learn it as soon as possible so it includes terms that we crated like "bantugan" for unpa and mara for toki and hoya for pona I'm making it rn with their help we are halfway there and I hope we can fimish this. edit: I think suno pimeja is more dark sun so night sun mun makes sense to remove but saying stars is a nightmare though
@@robdoghd so far we have 13 of the goal 120 we are having abit of trouble as our own natural slang developement only had less than half a year so the only ones we've created so far are bantugan as I said Mara for languge and Hoya for good put those together MaraHoya and it's my favorite food at snack time with the letter U replaced with O for style we have Huni for kalama which I just got from a dialect just cuz. This is my second plan because naturally forming a language isn't so possible when everyone you have don't want to cooperate I'll upload a vid of my own once it's done at least the first iteration as I want to make this as intuitive as possible for the group I made this for I have 2 people for opinions and ideas as things easy for me may not be for them
Toki Pata removing mije and meli just seems strange to me. I personally do not believe that just because binary gender is a social construct, that it should be removed from a language. Would Toki Pata also remove every other concept relating to gender identity, what about sexual orientation? Persian is considered genderless but even they still have words for man and woman. I don't know much about Toki Pona or Persian to know much but if I had a personal opinion, I would say, keep Man and Woman, but stop using pronouns and refer to eachother by name only.
No no no, you don't understand. By removing women, it automatically makes the language based. However, they also had to remove men because you could still kind of say women with "mije ala".
pona a! sitelen ni li pona tawa mi. toki pi sitelen nanpa wan li pona tawa mi. taso toki ni li awen pona. tenpo pini la mi toki tawa mama pi toki Mini lon lipu Wesi. mi toki e ni: "jan li wile pali e lipu tawa toki ni a!" mama pi toki Mini li pali e ona. tenpo ni la mi pilin e ni: toki Mini li ken a pona. taso ijo lili ike li awen lon. ike la sina sona pi toki Mini li ike. ona li kepeken ala nanpa luka. ona li kepeken e nimi a tawa nanpa luka taso. jan li toki e "9" sama "5 en 4," e 10 sama "1, 0," e 38 sama "3, 5 en 4." taso mi pilin e ni: jan li ken kepeken e nanpa ni tawa jan pi luka wan a! ona li pona tawa jan Misali a!
I have an even worse idea then "the language of evil". I'm working on a "punishment" conlang (for when you complain about natlangs) with a broken writing system (which mixes 4 writing systems, including parts of Chinese, so it's worse then Japanese (see the word for language, пaq'qaбr筑, /palabra/, and you'll get what i mean (where п is p, q'q is l, б is b, and then we have a chinese character for a)), inconsistent grammar, and dangerously large specification, and i'm stealing most Toki Pona words, stealing Spanish and English words, making them have opposite or confusing meanings when possible, then adding any of 5 genders, and then forcing useless cases which have been replaced by particles but still are required. How much would you hate it? I hate it with all my sould but now French finally feels worthwhile.
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Ok but the idea of a tokiponido that is “the language of evil” is way funnier to me than it has any right to be
we've all thought of toki ike at some point
@@pieloloon i can confirm
@@pieloloon true
toki ike
@@pieloloon Absolutely yes haha
peukhue being called the language of evil is so so funny to me like i imagine a little bastard man ready to commit so many crimes with a look of mischief
"little bastard man" I lost it ☠
ongod XD @@georgemacaroni
Bon Wen: Well, for counting we’ve got 1, 2 and 10^63.
One, two, one vigintillion,
1, 2, 1000 nayuta,
"black sun" for moon sounds metal as fuck tbh
astronomers cope and seethe
I made a personal dialect of Toki Pona that I named Tūki Suli (literally Long Speech). The only difference is that the vowel sounds for o and e don't exist. Instead, they're replaced by long u and long i, respectively. So the vowels are a, i, ī, u, ū.
Brilliant
tan sīmī?
kijītīsantakalu
Tīnpū ni la mi tūki suli
I made a conlang that only has 19 words (WIP) might have more or less later
Korn's consonant for "mute" is the glottal stop lol
10:04 fellow youtuber djan masaily back in yanuary of 2017
Gimme me all the tokiburritos 🌯
those good burritos
I was having a great time til you said Jan Misaylee....
Yeah, what's his TP pronunciation like generally? I can pronounce it fine and I've not even actually learnt it.
He must’ve done that on purpose
@@Red5rainbow Maybe ironically copying someone who really didn't know. :)
he did it on purpose because he pronounced January with jan
@Progreshbar Thanks
[dʒæn miseɪli]
mi pilin ike
ni li tenpo Bruh
mi kin
no. Just no.
Google translates "mi pilin ike" as "I can't breath"
@@jan_Kapije it's the translate to English thing I'm on mobile so it might not ahow up on desktop
noone:
jan Wapi:
/ ˌ d ʒ æ ː n m ɪ ˈ s e ɪ̯ l i /
Hello, and welcome to Clong Crittek, I'm Jam Misailor, and today, we'll be looking at *Corn.*
And the fact that he said "January" with a /j/ too
like why?! do they want to start a utala pi toki pona?
i liked the funny little friends, especially the groovy blue guy
nice pfp
bold move, to make a tokiponido, with words, for values, greater than 10^63 or 2^156, because those numbers are larger than: the number of cubicMeters/electrons/protons/neutrons within the visible universe.
i have a special place for a conlang that acknowledges the [library of babel/discord]
Peukhue is actually amazing, the kay(f)bop(t) of tokiponidos!
I've been thinking of making a new minimalistic conlang for a while, similar to the phonology of tuki tiki but with a vocabulary similar to the amount in toki pona. I considered different ideas such as letting the first syllable of each word give a hint about what the word is about, or reversing the two syllables of words to create new words with opposite meanings and therefore reduce the amount of time needed to learn new words. It'll be interesting to see how yours will be, since you've seen many different ideas tried in these different mini conlangs and which ideas are more likely to work or not work.
tierokhiekrapikhienge is surprisingly easy to pronounce when you’re an Arabic and Spanish speaker who briefly studied Swahili
Now you mention it, a quinary (?) numerical system is kind of adorable.
It lacks the snootiness of senary system and evokes a people who are used to counting things on one hand.
It's also convertible.
base 20 is quite common, and very reasonable, and its prime factors are 2*2*5, so you have a quintic married with base4.
@@ollllj personally, I had a hard enough time writing down the multiplication table of dozenal, I feel 20 is too much work to gain too little
On the contrary, I learnt the entire seximal table in an evening. On top of that, since 6=2*3 and 6 is between 5 and 7, seximal has some excellent mathematical properties.
It's probably the best system for the least ammount of effort to learn it
"senary system"
angry jan Misali noises
Name Mini isn’t quinary, it’s just biquinary, which’s just decimal with a quinary flavor. Look at the word for DEC1093: it’s just 01:00:14:03.
Wow you made a part tu! pona tawa sina... Can't wait to see your tokiponido!
sina pona ^^
When I first saw *na*, I thought it wasn't that difficult.
then i realize i'm a native tagalog speaker
any insight as to how bon wen uses “na”? or... nah lol
Hi! I made Bon Wen about 10 years ago when I didn't know as much as I do now. If I remember correctly, I think the idea behind "na" and "te" was supposed to be that it gave more freedom, so that, for example, a person can say "my eyes" like this "oko te ko" or like this "ko na oko".
I have a feeling that na is straight up stolen from Japanese's na adjectives lol
Several years ago I created a Toki Pona relex, danga. All the words were replaced by CV or CVn forms, using most or all of the consonant letters in the English alphabet and the five vowel letters. "N" was not used initially because I used it to create (usually) the opposite, so "dan" ('toki') is the opposite of "da", while "ga" is 'pona'. I also changed at least one grammar rule of TP so that the equivalent of "ona" does not require the equivalent of "li" before a verb; all three pronouns have the same grammar. Since the words are so short, spaces are used only between clauses, not between individual words. I used to have a Yahoo group for danga, but I think it's defunct now but possibly saved elsewhere before Yahoo got rid of its groups, and my computer files for it are on a defunct computer.
Bon Wen's counting system goes up to 10, has words for hundred, thousand and million, and then jumps straight to one vigintillion for no reason
someone else commented it’s related to physics fwiw; related how idk
As a Arabic-speaking Muslim calling the Moon “suno pimejan” hurt me to the core we culturally use ‘moon ‘ a lot of places where non-Muslim Americans use the sun. I.e “you are the moonlight of my life” as opposed to sunshine. And phrases of the like. 😭😭 Imma call the sun the “yellow moon” from now on out of spite lmao
toki pata removing mije and meli is pretty epic ngl
lon
But why?
mije > jan palisa
@@UsernameDoesntCare binary gender is a social construct
@@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa Gender, not just binary. Gender being a social construct doesn't validate removing it entirely. What about Non Binary genders? What about race?
Found myself nodding along to everything despite hearing everything for the first time
the word tokiponido strikes in a me a type of fear I cannot explain
tokey pony tho :(
@@robdoghd You do the Tokey Pony and you turn yourself around
I kinda want to make a tokiponido with nearly identical syntax but a slightly expanded lexicon so that you can express more (cough cough) _complicated_ concepts (sorry!) in it. Maybe it's counterproductive, but it makes sense in my head to have just a lil more specificity in vocab :3
Basically Toki Ma.
Toki ma
Rank also "Wen Hop". It is a fan language used be SpaceX fanboys.
It uses the words "Wen Hop" for variety of questions about technological progress. Lately it have received an new word, so the phrase "Wen Orbit" is now used for questions about technological progress that is supposed to have answer of huge significance.
In latin, "imago" is spelled with a velar plosive, not a "dj".
And the g in imago wouldn't undergo softening either, because there is no i, e, or y following.
Imago is also pronounced with a hard g in English.
*pronounced
@@MatthewMcVeagh *pronunced
@@k.umquat8604 No such word.
Join Dogi bona.
It's no need any change that only sounds. And it's actually official toki pona that allows change consonants to sounded versions.
poohoo being "the language of evil" is honestly very fitting because it's like. Everything about it is like the antithesis of _pona,_ like, as a concept kldjfhglskdjfhgk
dude this videos have been so entertaining, i love your sense of humor. idk how i've never seen you on here before
tokiponidos will never gain the same currency as toki pona. jan sonja didn’t predict her conlang to take off so well
make more info? pffffffffffff nah enjoy being in darkness, fools ( ~mama pi luka pona)
(luka pona kinda became a bit more of a personal language after I realised it was a little bit too complex to say that its pona imho, so if and when I feel its ready I'll try to do more)
Edit: for the reason above the old luka pona is dead. I have started a server to restart the new luka pona upon similar principles but this time as a community lead initiative :) discord.gg/KUj2SWc
thank you for hydrating us nonetheless 🙏
luka pona seems really cool!! where could i find out more ab it?
@@that_orange_hat my channel is where I used to post stuff about it, I also did a grammar document, but dictionaries for sign languages are difficult at best so I never managed to put one out.
if you wanna use a signed toki pona I suggest using toki pona luka (as sonja lang made it) with maybe some grammatical elements from my doc right now :)
@@robdoghd okay so I've made a luka pona server :) (will edit the original comment, feel free to jump in)
@@that_orange_hat new server (check edit):)
isnt peukhue SUPPOSED to be bad?
Black hole sun, won't you come. Wash away the rain... "The black sun"
Black sun... in a white world. Like having a black son... in a white world...
@@MatthewMcVeagh a white world?? You don't mean you think most people on the world are white?
@@ethanproctor6695 Not sure that's what it means, but I'm just quoting lyrics anyway. ;)
I bet Morgoth is choosing peukheu as his state tongue
i've ben learning toki pona but struggling with the grammar rules, and have long been learning japanese (slowly) and find its grammar easier. so i keep accidentally mashing toki pona words into a japanese sentence structure and have given up fixing it- please welcome, Tonihona
to make single syllable Tokiponido, you just need to reduce it to 64 words, and then make an 8x8 grid of 8 vowels and 8 consonants.
Adding 3 BASIC german umlauts (ae, oe, ue) to 5 classic vowels does the trick with the most compatibility, without adding new sounds: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_(diacritic)
you may use [8 vowels syllables without consonants] as snntax like below:
do not use any suffixes to indicate gender/time/number/case (like latin does excessively) , as that seems to just not be a Tokiponido at heard any more.
instead, use [8 vowels without consonants] as separators or modifiers, where some of them may also toggle between modes (like the contextual tokiponido word(s))
a negation-mode/modifier is an obvious choice, added by many tokiponidos, but we can do better group-theory than that, by instead having a word, that modifies a whole sentence (context) (or just the previous word) like NAND, and another one that modifies in the same way, along a different domain, but like XOR.
with very few mode switches==moves, you can easily get to rubix-cube complexity of modes==groupTheory(Caley graphs) th-cam.com/video/vzEObOzsSKY/w-d-xo.html
but oh now, keep it simple. maybe just a quaternion Q8 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion or an octonion or sedenion ' Caley graph (the graphs for memonics, not the graphs of not even commutative permutations)
We may use Ä Ö Ü (a bit more) for special (advanced/moreSpecific language) word modes, which is reserved for more specific words, that may only be relevant within a certain profession/caste/branch.
one branch may be more precise in arithmetic, for a trade/administrative branch.
one branch may be more for complex data structures, for a scientific branch.
one branch may be more imperative, and a bit more more like lobjan, for a military/judicative branch.
These branches can be ignored for the common folks, that do not often deal with this profession. these special words are only used between 2 speakers, that work within in the same branch.
I don't understand what you mean by adding three umlauts without adding new sounds. Do you mean make a difference in the writing but not in speech? And how do you get your 8 vowels x 8 consonants = 64 monosyllabic roots without those three umlaut vowels, which would then surely need to be pronounced?
Incidentally if you did get 64 monosyllables they would just be CV, and you could easily get back to 120 (+8) by optionally adding a coda N as original TP does.
But you don't even need more than 5 vowels to do this. Just have 12 consonants (not hard), multiply by 5 vowels for 60 CV syllables, with optional coda N for 120 overall.
And if 12 consonants is too many (not in most natlangs!) allow more codas, like M or L, or even W or Y/J (/j/). If just allowing N and M you just need 8 onset consonants.
In short, monosyllabic TP is pretty easy even given TP's limited phonotactics, without adding previously unused and possibly 'difficult' sounds.
9:48 Just took 8d12 psychic damage
even after reading the comments mentioning it i was not prepared for that at _all_ lmao
A big part of me wishes that "Tokiponido" pluralized as "Tokiponidoj".
"toki mute kama tan toki pona"
Personally I don't go along with this adoption of an Esperanto word ('Esperantido') into English without modification; I prefer 'Esperantid' which uses the same Ancient Greek suffix borrowing but in a native English way.
So similarly 'Tokiponid'.
what is the name of slavic toki pona version?
Considering devising a tokiponido where the only difference is that there are standardized units of measurement
Like a 'mita' and a 'lita' and so on - yeah go for it.
Modifiers coming before the main noun or concept has a lot of problems.
But people don't realize it because they only look at the simplest and shortest cases and derek: is it such a big deal?"
Hey!!!!! I really enjoyed this video. You should put your discord link a little higher in the video, it's behind the progress bar in my browser
my hero 😭🙏🙏
@Oskar Musgrave nu akkurat 100 jaa
You had me at hating Lojban, lost me at hating Esperanto, then got me back at binary gender being a social structure. What a roller coaster if emotions lol
Also I know Esperanto fails pretty hard lol, i have a soft spot for it though
@@FreakishSmilePA when you learn something, only to realize it's not very good according to people, but you just can't hate it nor abandon it anymore because you've invested so much into it
i feel you lol
@@exxelsetijadi5348
Well, not necessarily. In my case, I was well aware of the usual complains people have about Esperanto, even before learning it.
As I learned it, I realized that they're not really as big an issue as people claim. It turns out, you shouldn't trust too much people complaining about stuff they don't really know that well.
Meanwhile, I also learned English, am struggling with Chinese for some time, plus my native Spanish, none of which is a perfect language by any means. Esperanto is better, simple as that.
One thing that I noticed in Name Mini is that it doesn't have the sound /j/, and has /dʒ/ instead. This means that a name like "Brian May" must become something like "Brahjun Mej".
there aren’t any phonotactics described, so it’s conceivable that u could use the vowel /i/ instead of /j/? but you’re absolutely right that is a weird omission i should have mentioned! good catch!
@@robdoghd This does make the name sound closer to the original, but since the stress must always be on the second-to-last syllable, you get "brah-EE-un"...
Are there any tokiponidos that are pretty much just toki pona with English sentence structure (I just wanna see If there's all ready a name for it before I come up with one)
Subscribed for the head finality.
The first document linked to in the description isn't actually available without signing away your privacy. :/
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if u ever make another tp tier list video you should do one on all the sitelens i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶e̶ ̶s̶f̶j̶d̶l̶d̶j̶k̶s̶h̶h̶
What is wrong with esperanto? 😡 If you had esperanto on your CV you would boost your chances of getting a job.. and if someone calls you racist then you can just say you know the international language that we should be required to speak
what’s esperanto
"What is wrong with esperanto?"
[a huge chasm of facts and opinions opens up downwards leading to hell]
Did not have learning about a "Korn" language on my year's bingo card...
No music joke was pretty disappointing tbh
Where do I learn korn
New radio shows?
mini david peterson
im actually 62 i just moisturise respect ur elders
69 in different languages
English:sixty nine
French:soixante neuf
Toki Pona:luka wan ten luka po
You are a living example of knowledge, cuteness and attraction.
next video when?
Im gonna work on a story about humanized conlangs (The tokiponidos will be toki pona's children)
Nubie here. Why isn't the stress .. TOkiponidos ... just the first syllable stressed ? I'm hearing TokipoNidos with two stresses.
bcuz tokiponidos is an english word not a toki pona word
I’m guessing that Bon Wen’s “te” vs. “na” distinction changes whether the modifier is interpreted as an adjectiv(al phras)e or a noun (clause). So “toki te pona” means “language of goodness” and “toki na pona” means “good language”, while “toki pona” can mean both.
why do you hate european zonal auxlangs, but not other zonal auxlangs?
why do snorp snop beep boop fffffffft gbsbzhahbfbgbgbwhsjfjje :)?
Im making my own one whitout knowing toki pona it's just a rewording so that my group can learn it as soon as possible so it includes terms that we crated like "bantugan" for unpa
and mara for toki and hoya for pona
I'm making it rn with their help we are halfway there and I hope we can fimish this.
edit: I think suno pimeja is more dark sun so night sun mun makes sense to remove but saying stars is a nightmare though
please share more !!
@@robdoghd so far we have 13 of the goal 120 we are having abit of trouble as our own natural slang developement only had less than half a year so the only ones we've created so far are bantugan as I said Mara for languge and Hoya for good put those together MaraHoya and it's my favorite food at snack time with the letter U replaced with O for style
we have Huni for kalama which I just got from a dialect just cuz.
This is my second plan because naturally forming a language isn't so possible when everyone you have don't want to cooperate
I'll upload a vid of my own once it's done at least the first iteration as I want to make this as intuitive as possible for the group I made this for I have 2 people for opinions and ideas as things easy for me may not be for them
mi toki e toki Toki Pona
btw im pretty sure that bon wen's creator meant na as a particle
pssh, na
Could you consider doing asapaka someday? Thanks!
toki burito? lol
6:20 wait how is "fo" derived from a romance language?
🤔 good question
HMM I THINK KORN SOUNDS FAMILIAR IF YOU ASK ME HMHMHMHMHMMM
pona
thank u mp3warrior2003
2:35 toki ike!
What is a half in base five? is it 1.2222222?
it would be 1/2 :)
0:29 what’s a talking burrito
10^63 has something to do with physics
In tp sun is star and mun is moon
But which one do i use to say planet?
depends what a planet is
mun, suno, ma, ni, ijo, kiwen, sina ken kepeken e nimi mute
where did you get that cool wall hanging with the tree?
thanks for noticing! it’s from a store called funk e breeze :)
I'm making a Russian based toki pona, :)
excelent video, i'll put it in pona suli
sina pona suli! :)
11:11 YES!
Djan Miss Ay Lee lmao
imago could be romance/latinate (it's imago in latin)
this is probably the case oops lol
@@robdoghd you got a fact wrong about somebody's favourite conlang, this is historic
@@dhooth He forgot about the new radio shows in name mini every week
Tenpo suno pi suno pimeja
-Jan Saka
Toki Pata removing mije and meli just seems strange to me. I personally do not believe that just because binary gender is a social construct, that it should be removed from a language. Would Toki Pata also remove every other concept relating to gender identity, what about sexual orientation? Persian is considered genderless but even they still have words for man and woman. I don't know much about Toki Pona or Persian to know much but if I had a personal opinion, I would say, keep Man and Woman, but stop using pronouns and refer to eachother by name only.
since uploading this video ive reconsidered the implications of removing meli and mije and i would definitely agree w you there 👍
No no no, you don't understand. By removing women, it automatically makes the language based. However, they also had to remove men because you could still kind of say women with "mije ala".
@@cabbage2329 I understand your attempts at humor.
I found them entertaining :)
Or in Laymans terms...
"lol"
@@UsernameDoesntCare mi musi la mi pilin pona. (tenpo lili la mi kama sona e toki -pi- Toki Pona la mi -kama- *pali* e pakala mute.)
it’s transphobic to remove meli and mije
Love the video, but you know you don't have to finish making the language before you post another video
❤️
Base 5 number system??? Ew.
Ok dude u fricking underrated, u need more attention!
ty ty ^^ glad u enjoyed :)
pona a! sitelen ni li pona tawa mi. toki pi sitelen nanpa wan li pona tawa mi. taso toki ni li awen pona. tenpo pini la mi toki tawa mama pi toki Mini lon lipu Wesi. mi toki e ni: "jan li wile pali e lipu tawa toki ni a!" mama pi toki Mini li pali e ona. tenpo ni la mi pilin e ni: toki Mini li ken a pona. taso ijo lili ike li awen lon. ike la sina sona pi toki Mini li ike. ona li kepeken ala nanpa luka. ona li kepeken e nimi a tawa nanpa luka taso. jan li toki e "9" sama "5 en 4," e 10 sama "1, 0," e 38 sama "3, 5 en 4." taso mi pilin e ni: jan li ken kepeken e nanpa ni tawa jan pi luka wan a! ona li pona tawa jan Misali a!
I have an even worse idea then "the language of evil". I'm working on a "punishment" conlang (for when you complain about natlangs) with a broken writing system (which mixes 4 writing systems, including parts of Chinese, so it's worse then Japanese (see the word for language, пaq'qaбr筑, /palabra/, and you'll get what i mean (where п is p, q'q is l, б is b, and then we have a chinese character for a)), inconsistent grammar, and dangerously large specification, and i'm stealing most Toki Pona words, stealing Spanish and English words, making them have opposite or confusing meanings when possible, then adding any of 5 genders, and then forcing useless cases which have been replaced by particles but still are required.
How much would you hate it? I hate it with all my sould but now French finally feels worthwhile.
q’q is l 😨
@@robdoghd Yes, i did that on purpose just to annoy learners. It's designed to be worse then French >:-)
I made one tokiponido
mORE
👀
Peukhue is so messed up
Tieroekhiekrapikhienge
He still hasnt made a tokiponidos nanpa tu wan
🔜
try koka kola by conlang raoster
9:50 why do you hurt me so?
Peukhue really is poohoo
oekhuekikhuenge
THE LANGUAGE OF EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“image” not “imaje”
Tieroe... oh,fu-
😂😂😂
How as a TP youtuber do you get jan Misali wrong?
that’s how it’s pronounced actually google it
@@robdoghd his name is a toki pona name
yes and it’s pronounced /dʒæn mɪ'seɪli/ :)
@@robdoghd oh thank fuck i can tell youre joking now
No one:
robdog: 10:07-10:10
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