I’d like to put forth a theory: I think Karnak always intended for Jane to win, or at least was heavily trying to sway the odds in her favour. He seemed to know what the kids were like personality wise already and probably knew they would never have the heart to choose anyone else. They might mourn the lives and opportunities they lost, but she can’t even remember a life to mourn losing. (I also think Jane might haunt the fairgrounds since she’s the first one we meet at the start of the show without Karnak using his ability to bring back the others.) I think the true point of the competition was to allow the kids to make peace with the tragedy, themselves, and each other. Ricky might have even figured it out when he decided to concede, hence his monologue afterwards.
Your theory that Jane may also haunt the fairgrounds would also explain the Victorian styled modifications to her uniform and the vintage doll she holds onto! I personally believe that she died in previous accident many years before. I love the theories everyone comes up with for this musical istg 😭
Unfortunately, she is seen in all the flashbacks to when she was alive, but her face is never seen. It’s always blotted out in some way. So that part of the theory would be incorrect
@@raymiller5895 I actually meant she’s been haunting the fair grounds since she died in the accident with the rest of the kids but I can see where my wording could be misunderstood.
@@AreesDaOGbefore sugar cloud Mischa gives Noel some of his drink cause it’s Jane’s Borthday, and why wouldn’t you share a drink with your (definitely not boyfriend) best friend
I feel like when Jane/Penny says, "A melody floats through the air, when silence falls, does no one care?" Could represent people not knowing who she is. Basically, "A melody floats through the air" can represent her falling out of the coaster and screaming in the air, while "When silence falls, does no one care?" Is when she gets decapitated, and her screaming stops, but "no one care?" Is the police finding the body and not knowing who she is, but her wondering if they care enough because the whole ballad of Jane Doe is about her finding it unfair that she does not know who she is, neither do the police and other people.
3:40 ALSO!! SHE IS SINGING THE DIES IRAE'S NOTES IN THIS PART!!! Piece originally used in funerals and references death nowadays in media (Except for Frozen 2- OR MAYBE IT IS?)
Omg Jane is my favorite character. She just breaks my heart she’s so precious. Emily seriously killed this role, her vocals are incredible and her doll movements are amazing
Ride the cyclone and jane hit different after reading the legoland script (legoland is a play part of the uranium trilogy about penny and her brother ezra)
I have a theory- I think she’s able to fly bc she flew/fell out of the car at the top of the coaster, hence her ascending and descending scales with the super high note at the very top, right at the drop which is where she fell out of the car and likely screamed all the way down until her head was cut off by something she hit before getting to the ground. Very specific theory but I think it makes sense :]
the high notes in the balled of jane doe were intended to be her screams when the cyclone derailed and when she’s flying, it’s also intended to be when she flew out of the cart :D
it hurts even more to think that when jane wipes her eyes she looks really confused. makes me think the tears were her starting to remember them as shed have her head back
It probably does, considering spinning fast enough before her head gets detached would mean it would be far enough away for it not to be found...wow that's dark. And a great detail
@@anyaarcadia9166 i do believe or saw a comment saying that the roller coaster track or a dettached part sliced her head off. honestly Jane Doe is a small Golden Retriever that must be protected.
Something I find kinda funny is the fandom all arguing what part of the coaster it was that chopped her head off like that’s so dark lol other fandoms argue on like, ships(I know this has ships too) or side character stories or stuff
id like to put my theory out here rq Constance and Jane were always best friends. Constance was always a little creeped out by Jane but they ended up bonding over random things once Constance understood Jane. Constance was freaked out because she didn't recognize Jane because Constance was more concerned about her death than Jane's. All theory and a little Head Canon
Another version of RTC I reccomend is McCarter Theater. The guy who plays Mischa and sings Thalia's version from this theater has AMAZING vocals. I think he and Ashlynn Maddox where both on McCarter and Arena Stage. Love how Mischa instead of saying Birthday he says Borthday and you can literaly notice.
pause can we talk about how her skirt is affected AT ALL when she goes upside down? i love that, i dunno if its itentional, but it really (in my eyes) adds to her whole song..
Fun fact her line "Time eats all his children in the end" Is meant to be a reference to the Greek titan Kronos who is the Titan of Time. "time eats all his children in the end" = "Kronos eats all his children" which is true, kronos ends up eating all of his children but Zeus
@@NathanJasper that response makes no sense. what truth? that time (kronos) eats all his children in the end? cause he doesnt.. basic history on greek myth right there
You kniw what I find interesting? (Theory time!!!!) When Jane says what she finds terryfiying: a lioness stopping sex with the lion, so the lion kills the cubs, then the lioness continues? I feel like Jane didnt die on the rollerciaster, i think she was killed. Namely, by her father, or fatherly figure in her life. (This is pure headcannons now!) I think Jane's mother had Jane and stopped 'making love' to Janes father. The father got extremely jealous and killed Jane, probably by beheading her. He heard about the Cycline incident as he was figuring out what to do with the body, dressed her in a choir uniform and hid her body near the Cyclone, for the police to find. Thats why they never found her head, it was never there in the first place. Jane's mother was distraught, but the father cinsoled her by saying 'its okay, we can have another child', so the mither never came looking. This, or they fled the country. Jane woukdnt have known the sadness the mother felt, just that she never came and identified her body. Thats why she is so scared by it, its what she believed happened to her, which caused her death
Like john ill remain just a lost refrian just jane... jane doe. NO QUEEN YOUR SONG IS THE BEST IN THE FCKING MUSICAL IT AINT A LOST REFRAIN ALSO NO YOU ARE SAVANNAH OR PENNY OR JANE
there's a crane behind her in the dark- she has a harness that attaches directly at the back (attached when the curtains are there) and can move her horizontally and at angles
Hi! I do rigging for my theater that is how you normally get someone to fly, you’ll put them in a harness and have people or machine lift and lower, for the spinning im not sure put most likely she was attached to a machine like the other comment says
I've decided that like the anime Another, Jane was already dead and was an extra in the choir, hence why no one remembers her when she dies, not even the other choir kids she died with. She wasn't supposed to be there. Another also has a lot of doll imagery, just like her
I have a small theory as why Constance blew out the candle (idk if she had a reason) since Jane has a doll head, and most of her hair is probably synthetic, Constance might’ve been worried it would’ve caught on fire so she blew it out for her :)
Something I just noticed is that at the end of the song, the shadow behind her was supposed to represent wings. I have a theory that maybe since she's floating in the air, it's supposed to represent her death? I'm not sure 😭😭But those def look like wings behind her
I always thought that her reaching out was her searching for her soul in hopes that she could find herself. This might seem weird, but I thought that Ricky letting Jane take the name Savanah.😅 What if he had wanted to name his future kid Savanah😢
personally my theory is that at the end when the curtain closes all of them go through the portal, not just penny but thats probably just wishful thinking :).
Am gonna repeat it I think her name is really Daisy she mentions them in her ballad in a point they have no need to be referenced they could’ve said a flower related to death but they chose a daisy a flower that represents recreation and rebirth Edit: I also want to add how the 5 stages of grief works in TBoJD When they scream “Does anyone care!?” Noel is louder than the others kind like you feel when depressed
I’d like to put forth a theory: I think Karnak always intended for Jane to win, or at least was heavily trying to sway the odds in her favour. He seemed to know what the kids were like personality wise already and probably knew they would never have the heart to choose anyone else. They might mourn the lives and opportunities they lost, but she can’t even remember a life to mourn losing. (I also think Jane might haunt the fairgrounds since she’s the first one we meet at the start of the show without Karnak using his ability to bring back the others.) I think the true point of the competition was to allow the kids to make peace with the tragedy, themselves, and each other. Ricky might have even figured it out when he decided to concede, hence his monologue afterwards.
Your theory that Jane may also haunt the fairgrounds would also explain the Victorian styled modifications to her uniform and the vintage doll she holds onto! I personally believe that she died in previous accident many years before. I love the theories everyone comes up with for this musical istg 😭
@@simplyoshiiwell apparently she ha that headless doll because she using the doll's head
Unfortunately, she is seen in all the flashbacks to when she was alive, but her face is never seen. It’s always blotted out in some way. So that part of the theory would be incorrect
@@raymiller5895 I actually meant she’s been haunting the fair grounds since she died in the accident with the rest of the kids but I can see where my wording could be misunderstood.
I also think that’s why she had the most serious song out of everyone. To kind of show she deserved a second chance the most yknow
I DIDNT NOTICE SHE WIPES AWAY A TEAR 😭
Time stamp
Nvm
When?
I always thought she was covering her mouth in disbelief at the thought of being voted to live again
9:13
'penny lamb- the luckiest girl in town' had me crying i swear 😭
8:32 friendly reminder that these two were drunk during this scene 💀
Irl?????
@@AreesDaOG I’m pretty sure yeah either way still drunk during the scene 😂
Jajja
@@AreesDaOGbefore sugar cloud Mischa gives Noel some of his drink cause it’s Jane’s Borthday, and why wouldn’t you share a drink with your (definitely not boyfriend) best friend
@@FlowersgrowingonmarsTHATS SO FUNNY WTF
OMG. 5:07 I SAW SOMEONE SAY THAT HER LOOKING AT THE UMBRELLAS REPRESENTED WHEN SHE WAS FALLING AND LOOKING AT THE RIDES. THE UMBRELLAS ARE THE RIDES.
And here I thought this song couldn’t get any sadder
And I may be wrong here, but the first light prop she floats over, the swinging light poles, are those not symbolic of another ride as well?
JUST GOT CHILLS
1:42 not Jane reaching in for a hug and Ocean running 😭 ✨you can tell Jane just wants to be friends with Constance and Ocean :’)
I feel like when Jane/Penny says, "A melody floats through the air, when silence falls, does no one care?" Could represent people not knowing who she is. Basically, "A melody floats through the air" can represent her falling out of the coaster and screaming in the air, while "When silence falls, does no one care?" Is when she gets decapitated, and her screaming stops, but "no one care?" Is the police finding the body and not knowing who she is, but her wondering if they care enough because the whole ballad of Jane Doe is about her finding it unfair that she does not know who she is, neither do the police and other people.
The fact that they give her a little birthday party is actually rather sweet.
Anyone remember how HER DAUGHTER HAS SUPER GREEN EYES?
She defo called savannah
@@savannahwith_thegreenesteyes I bet Ricky named her
I bet she dreams about Ricky every single night
@@mjserrano32 Hes dead tho- (But that would be nice if she remembered, and named her Savannah)
@@Zip-Is-A-Slay even better (help)
WHY DOES THE GREENEST EYES PART MAKE ME SO EMOTIONAL. I'M LITERALLY SOBBING
1:31 the word "head" being crossed off😭😭😭😭
Not the clock striking midnight on April 7th (Janes birthday) right as the birthday scene starts playing
Wait-REALLY?? TALK ABT A CRAZY COINCIDENCE!!
I don't know why, but Jane singing "Talia" make me want to cry SO BAD
3:40 ALSO!! SHE IS SINGING THE DIES IRAE'S NOTES IN THIS PART!!!
Piece originally used in funerals and references death nowadays in media (Except for Frozen 2- OR MAYBE IT IS?)
oh my GOD. HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS SOONER!! that’s a very cool addition!
Bc of Beetlejuice, every time I hear it now I just start laughing bc I remember an entire ensemble screaming it 😭😭
WOAAAHHHH
WAAAIT ISNT THAT THE SWEENEY TODD THING??? OMG THATS SOSOSO COOL
And the rest of the choir look like they are going to a funeral (probably obvious, just wanted to say)
Omg Jane is my favorite character. She just breaks my heart she’s so precious. Emily seriously killed this role, her vocals are incredible and her doll movements are amazing
“Right I’m gonna go cry” me too Jake, me too 😢
Ride the cyclone and jane hit different after reading the legoland script (legoland is a play part of the uranium trilogy about penny and her brother ezra)
6:44 the way she leans closer bc she's so desperate for knowing her real name 😭
it will always make me sad the way she looks at constance when they were singing her happy birthday, waiting to hear what her name is 😭
the way they realize she was sad from the happy birthday song so ocean made up a new one 😭😭😭😭 i love this musical
4:58 DO A FLIP, JANE!
Lol xd
I have a theory- I think she’s able to fly bc she flew/fell out of the car at the top of the coaster, hence her ascending and descending scales with the super high note at the very top, right at the drop which is where she fell out of the car and likely screamed all the way down until her head was cut off by something she hit before getting to the ground. Very specific theory but I think it makes sense :]
the high notes in the balled of jane doe were intended to be her screams when the cyclone derailed and when she’s flying, it’s also intended to be when she flew out of the cart :D
@@i_have_too_many_aesthetics EXACTLYYY I’m glad I don’t sound crazy lol
Jane Doe being the only one unfazed after saying her catchphrase although hers was the most bizarre
I DIDNT KNOW SHE GETS A NAME IN THE END, I SOBBED
'penny lamb' fits her so well it's such a cute name 😭😭
@@ClassixBread she's a main character from the previous book/musical 'LegoLand'
@@MxFlyingPhoenix oh rlly?! :0
@@ClassixBread so I've heard
I haven't actually seen or read it
@@MxFlyingPhoenix ohhhh okay then!
I headcanon that, in honor of Ricky, she names her eventual child Savana after she gets brought back.
6:44 Happy birthday's scene...THE HANDS... Doll hands
The other : HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR-😶....
JANE:BICH- I JUST TOLD YOU ALL
rtc is criminally underrated
I need it on Broadway with this cast and no one else
@@Queenallie2294 Kholby has to ATLEAST be involved in the production, make it come full circle
it hurts even more to think that when jane wipes her eyes she looks really confused. makes me think the tears were her starting to remember them as shed have her head back
idk why i feel like her spinning in her song could maybe represent her falling?
It probably does, considering spinning fast enough before her head gets detached would mean it would be far enough away for it not to be found...wow that's dark. And a great detail
I think Jane died last after falling onto the track and got beheaded by the train.
@@anyaarcadia9166 i do believe or saw a comment saying that the roller coaster track or a dettached part sliced her head off. honestly Jane Doe is a small Golden Retriever that must be protected.
Something I find kinda funny is the fandom all arguing what part of the coaster it was that chopped her head off like that’s so dark lol other fandoms argue on like, ships(I know this has ships too) or side character stories or stuff
@@goldndoodlz2192 IKR LOL
1:41
"hallo :D....I love you too gimmie a hug! :>"
I love how she uses her dolls head to substitute her own, that's prob why her dolls headless and she looks less human then the others
"Fornication Under Consent of the King"
Imma start saying that now.
THE WAY OCEAN BACKS AWAY FROM JANES HUG😞😞 ID GIVE HER A HUG 🫂
id like to put my theory out here rq
Constance and Jane were always best friends. Constance was always a little creeped out by Jane but they ended up bonding over random things once Constance understood Jane. Constance was freaked out because she didn't recognize Jane because Constance was more concerned about her death than Jane's.
All theory and a little Head Canon
my biggest flex is that i was born on april seventh (jane/penny’s birthday)
Im the 6th of aprill lolll
I’m august 18th (Mischa’s birthday lol)
Sept 14th
10 days after Jane/penny
mine is exactly a week after ocean's!!
okay but honestly... Constance and jane are such a terrific duo ?!
i wish we got more interactions of them where constance wasn’t scared shitless
9:17 I wiped a tear too 😭
nobody: the lion: *WHAT'S 17 MORE YEARS*
1:50 IM CRYING
Another version of RTC I reccomend is McCarter Theater. The guy who plays Mischa and sings Thalia's version from this theater has AMAZING vocals. I think he and Ashlynn Maddox where both on McCarter and Arena Stage. Love how Mischa instead of saying Birthday he says Borthday and you can literaly notice.
pause can we talk about how her skirt is affected AT ALL when she goes upside down? i love that, i dunno if its itentional, but it really (in my eyes) adds to her whole song..
From what I've read her skirt was layered and sewn to something under it so it wouldn't flip up
Bro the birthday party scene and when Ricky gives her a name has me in tears and it's currently 1am in the morning😭
Fun fact her line "Time eats all his children in the end" Is meant to be a reference to the Greek titan Kronos who is the Titan of Time. "time eats all his children in the end" = "Kronos eats all his children" which is true, kronos ends up eating all of his children but Zeus
OR it could just be the truth
@@NathanJasper that response makes no sense. what truth? that time (kronos) eats all his children in the end? cause he doesnt.. basic history on greek myth right there
and i feel like it's a connection to her catchphrase! Kronos's wife was Rhea and guess what her patron animal was? LION
random thing, in the Ballad of Jane Doe, the shadows behind her look like angel wings. I thought that was pretty cool.
I also thought that first time watching! really cool effect
1:52 i love the way ocean looks at Jane with the most scared face
You kniw what I find interesting? (Theory time!!!!)
When Jane says what she finds terryfiying: a lioness stopping sex with the lion, so the lion kills the cubs, then the lioness continues?
I feel like Jane didnt die on the rollerciaster, i think she was killed. Namely, by her father, or fatherly figure in her life. (This is pure headcannons now!)
I think Jane's mother had Jane and stopped 'making love' to Janes father. The father got extremely jealous and killed Jane, probably by beheading her. He heard about the Cycline incident as he was figuring out what to do with the body, dressed her in a choir uniform and hid her body near the Cyclone, for the police to find. Thats why they never found her head, it was never there in the first place.
Jane's mother was distraught, but the father cinsoled her by saying 'its okay, we can have another child', so the mither never came looking. This, or they fled the country.
Jane woukdnt have known the sadness the mother felt, just that she never came and identified her body.
Thats why she is so scared by it, its what she believed happened to her, which caused her death
1:30 NAAAHHHH YOU DID NOT
She sang that last song omg
You pointing out Jane reaching for Ricky was evil, the little details in this show are so crucial
HER VOICE GIVES ME CHILLS.
I know this dream of life is naver ending
It goes around and round and round again
This part brings chills down my spine
“I hear it gives you an ECREC-CCCHION
i feel like Jane doe was referencing how lions eat their children when the lioness stops making love to them 4:41
I think the general consensus for that one in Kronos eating his children
"borthday" im gigglin
I think the reason Jane just grabbed the cupcake is because she has a doll head, she can talk, but she isn’5 using air
I both love and hate how you pointed out that she wipes a tear at 9:15 bc now I’ll cry even more watching that part
Like john ill remain just a lost refrian just jane... jane doe.
NO QUEEN YOUR SONG IS THE BEST IN THE FCKING MUSICAL IT AINT A LOST REFRAIN ALSO NO YOU ARE SAVANNAH OR PENNY OR JANE
not me crying awhen I found out Jane's name, it is a beautiful name😭😭
I didn’t even watch the full thing and I just spoiled it for myself 😭
4:31 okay but fr how tf do the get this effect? Is she held up by wires or something? It’s so cool
there's a crane behind her in the dark- she has a harness that attaches directly at the back (attached when the curtains are there) and can move her horizontally and at angles
Hi! I do rigging for my theater that is how you normally get someone to fly, you’ll put them in a harness and have people or machine lift and lower, for the spinning im not sure put most likely she was attached to a machine like the other comment says
she's actually being held by an anchor controlled behind the curtain from her back! And the actress had to learn to sing upside down to
GIVE JANE A DAMN HUG
I would😭
Emily Rohm did such a did job acting as her
I was qatching this at 11 pm at night and for some reason I couldnt stop laughing 😂😂😂
Jane Doe, and Jane Doe dancing is the greatest thing I've ever seen in this entire musical
Love her
I've decided that like the anime Another, Jane was already dead and was an extra in the choir, hence why no one remembers her when she dies, not even the other choir kids she died with. She wasn't supposed to be there. Another also has a lot of doll imagery, just like her
My favorite characters of this thing are jane constance mischa and noel
Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous. 😢
I have a small theory as why Constance blew out the candle (idk if she had a reason) since Jane has a doll head, and most of her hair is probably synthetic, Constance might’ve been worried it would’ve caught on fire so she blew it out for her :)
The fact she’s one day after my bday 😭
I wish I could watch this version so badly 😞. But the vocals are beautiful
wym like irl or watch it online?
Is no one else questioning why when she’s singing her song and she goes upside down her dress doesn’t move? 💀
There's boning in the skirt to keep it stiff like bendy wires to move in, that or a really stiff fabric
Jane doe is so silly
Does anyone have any audio of Mischa's other show?
Talia?
i love her
So no head? 🤣
I only just realized the darwin song was from this
Something I just noticed is that at the end of the song, the shadow behind her was supposed to represent wings. I have a theory that maybe since she's floating in the air, it's supposed to represent her death? I'm not sure 😭😭But those def look like wings behind her
so SOMEONE needs to explain the very very very ending to me… now. 😭 I know it’s so much deeper, i just don’t understand it
2:14 Noel playing with her hair?
Cheeseburber
jane/penny and i have the same birthday i love her sm
1:31 JAIL!!! NOW!!!!
Very nieve notes. They use all credibility with the use of "fucking" in the text
I always thought that her reaching out was her searching for her soul in hopes that she could find herself.
This might seem weird, but I thought that Ricky letting Jane take the name Savanah.😅
What if he had wanted to name his future kid Savanah😢
personally my theory is that at the end when the curtain closes all of them go through the portal, not just penny but thats probably just wishful thinking :).
I forgot if she actually did this,but I head cannon that if she had a daughter in her new life she named her savanna.
Why do me and Jane/Penny have the same birthday
Am gonna repeat it
I think her name is really Daisy she mentions them in her ballad in a point they have no need to be referenced they could’ve said a flower related to death but they chose a daisy a flower that represents recreation and rebirth
Edit:
I also want to add how the 5 stages of grief works in TBoJD
When they scream
“Does anyone care!?”
Noel is louder than the others kind like you feel when depressed
Her name is penny lamb, they said it in the end of the musical…
"pushing daisies" is just another way of saying dead and buried
They say her name at 9:15
Daisies DO represent rebirth, but the phrase "pushing daisies" refers to daisies growing over someone's grave, like they've been dead and buried ages
i love how you can mostly hear noel during that part and im really mad they got rid of that in the soundtrack 😭
No way me and penny share a birthday
MY NAME IS SAVANNAH
Where can I watch the full video of rtc please?
2:57
SHUP UP>:(
LET THE ANGEL SING >:0
Do you just watch this on TH-cam or is there somewhere I can watch this?
Vimeo has a good recording of it
yes youtube just search: diy cyclone coaster slime tutorial no glue no borax
Idk what RTC even is…why is this in my recommended??
It’s a sign!!