I’d like to put forth a theory: I think Karnak always intended for Jane to win, or at least was heavily trying to sway the odds in her favour. He seemed to know what the kids were like personality wise already and probably knew they would never have the heart to choose anyone else. They might mourn the lives and opportunities they lost, but she can’t even remember a life to mourn losing. (I also think Jane might haunt the fairgrounds since she’s the first one we meet at the start of the show without Karnak using his ability to bring back the others.) I think the true point of the competition was to allow the kids to make peace with the tragedy, themselves, and each other. Ricky might have even figured it out when he decided to concede, hence his monologue afterwards.
Unfortunately, she is seen in all the flashbacks to when she was alive, but her face is never seen. It’s always blotted out in some way. So that part of the theory would be incorrect
@@raymiller5895 I actually meant she’s been haunting the fair grounds since she died in the accident with the rest of the kids but I can see where my wording could be misunderstood.
I like to think that maybe before Penny died and was declared Jane Doe, she won the doll as a prize. Every Amusement Park has carnival games with prizes to win. She probably went to play a carnival game instead of going to get her Fortune read.
I feel like when Jane/Penny says, "A melody floats through the air, when silence falls, does no one care?" Could represent people not knowing who she is. Basically, "A melody floats through the air" can represent her falling out of the coaster and screaming in the air, while "When silence falls, does no one care?" Is when she gets decapitated, and her screaming stops, but "no one care?" Is the police finding the body and not knowing who she is, but her wondering if they care enough because the whole ballad of Jane Doe is about her finding it unfair that she does not know who she is, neither do the police and other people.
Ride the cyclone and jane hit different after reading the legoland script (legoland is a play part of the uranium trilogy about penny and her brother ezra)
@@AreesDaOGbefore sugar cloud Mischa gives Noel some of his drink cause it’s Jane’s Borthday, and why wouldn’t you share a drink with your (definitely not boyfriend) best friend
Omg Jane is my favorite character. She just breaks my heart she’s so precious. Emily seriously killed this role, her vocals are incredible and her doll movements are amazing
It probably does, considering spinning fast enough before her head gets detached would mean it would be far enough away for it not to be found...wow that's dark. And a great detail
@@anyaarcadia9166 i do believe or saw a comment saying that the roller coaster track or a dettached part sliced her head off. honestly Jane Doe is a small Golden Retriever that must be protected.
Something I find kinda funny is the fandom all arguing what part of the coaster it was that chopped her head off like that’s so dark lol other fandoms argue on like, ships(I know this has ships too) or side character stories or stuff
3:40 ALSO!! SHE IS SINGING THE DIES IRAE'S NOTES IN THIS PART!!! Piece originally used in funerals and references death nowadays in media (Except for Frozen 2- OR MAYBE IT IS?)
I have a theory- I think she’s able to fly bc she flew/fell out of the car at the top of the coaster, hence her ascending and descending scales with the super high note at the very top, right at the drop which is where she fell out of the car and likely screamed all the way down until her head was cut off by something she hit before getting to the ground. Very specific theory but I think it makes sense :]
the high notes in the balled of jane doe were intended to be her screams when the cyclone derailed and when she’s flying, it’s also intended to be when she flew out of the cart :D
id like to put my theory out here rq Constance and Jane were always best friends. Constance was always a little creeped out by Jane but they ended up bonding over random things once Constance understood Jane. Constance was freaked out because she didn't recognize Jane because Constance was more concerned about her death than Jane's. All theory and a little Head Canon
Another version of RTC I reccomend is McCarter Theater. The guy who plays Mischa and sings Thalia's version from this theater has AMAZING vocals. I think he and Ashlynn Maddox where both on McCarter and Arena Stage. Love how Mischa instead of saying Birthday he says Borthday and you can literaly notice.
it hurts even more to think that when jane wipes her eyes she looks really confused. makes me think the tears were her starting to remember them as shed have her head back
pause can we talk about how her skirt is affected AT ALL when she goes upside down? i love that, i dunno if its itentional, but it really (in my eyes) adds to her whole song..
You kniw what I find interesting? (Theory time!!!!) When Jane says what she finds terryfiying: a lioness stopping sex with the lion, so the lion kills the cubs, then the lioness continues? I feel like Jane didnt die on the rollerciaster, i think she was killed. Namely, by her father, or fatherly figure in her life. (This is pure headcannons now!) I think Jane's mother had Jane and stopped 'making love' to Janes father. The father got extremely jealous and killed Jane, probably by beheading her. He heard about the Cycline incident as he was figuring out what to do with the body, dressed her in a choir uniform and hid her body near the Cyclone, for the police to find. Thats why they never found her head, it was never there in the first place. Jane's mother was distraught, but the father cinsoled her by saying 'its okay, we can have another child', so the mither never came looking. This, or they fled the country. Jane woukdnt have known the sadness the mother felt, just that she never came and identified her body. Thats why she is so scared by it, its what she believed happened to her, which caused her death
there's a crane behind her in the dark- she has a harness that attaches directly at the back (attached when the curtains are there) and can move her horizontally and at angles
Hi! I do rigging for my theater that is how you normally get someone to fly, you’ll put them in a harness and have people or machine lift and lower, for the spinning im not sure put most likely she was attached to a machine like the other comment says
Like john ill remain just a lost refrian just jane... jane doe. NO QUEEN YOUR SONG IS THE BEST IN THE FCKING MUSICAL IT AINT A LOST REFRAIN ALSO NO YOU ARE SAVANNAH OR PENNY OR JANE
Fun fact her line "Time eats all his children in the end" Is meant to be a reference to the Greek titan Kronos who is the Titan of Time. "time eats all his children in the end" = "Kronos eats all his children" which is true, kronos ends up eating all of his children but Zeus
@@NathanJasper that response makes no sense. what truth? that time (kronos) eats all his children in the end? cause he doesnt.. basic history on greek myth right there
I've decided that like the anime Another, Jane was already dead and was an extra in the choir, hence why no one remembers her when she dies, not even the other choir kids she died with. She wasn't supposed to be there. Another also has a lot of doll imagery, just like her
personally my theory is that at the end when the curtain closes all of them go through the portal, not just penny but thats probably just wishful thinking :).
I haven't seen anyone point it out, but Jane always has an echoing effect on her voice because the sound is coming from her neck but echoes inside her hollow head when we hear it, and her song has her doing seemingly uncoordinated flying because the feeling of falling is the only thing she remembers from being alive. Rapturous Detailing.
Something I just noticed is that at the end of the song, the shadow behind her was supposed to represent wings. I have a theory that maybe since she's floating in the air, it's supposed to represent her death? I'm not sure 😭😭But those def look like wings behind her
I have a small theory as why Constance blew out the candle (idk if she had a reason) since Jane has a doll head, and most of her hair is probably synthetic, Constance might’ve been worried it would’ve caught on fire so she blew it out for her :)
I always thought that her reaching out was her searching for her soul in hopes that she could find herself. This might seem weird, but I thought that Ricky letting Jane take the name Savanah.😅 What if he had wanted to name his future kid Savanah😢
Am gonna repeat it I think her name is really Daisy she mentions them in her ballad in a point they have no need to be referenced they could’ve said a flower related to death but they chose a daisy a flower that represents recreation and rebirth Edit: I also want to add how the 5 stages of grief works in TBoJD When they scream “Does anyone care!?” Noel is louder than the others kind like you feel when depressed
1:31 the word "head" being crossed off😭😭😭😭
'penny lamb- the luckiest girl in town' had me crying i swear 😭
I DIDNT NOTICE SHE WIPES AWAY A TEAR 😭
Time stamp
Nvm
When?
I always thought she was covering her mouth in disbelief at the thought of being voted to live again
9:13
I’d like to put forth a theory: I think Karnak always intended for Jane to win, or at least was heavily trying to sway the odds in her favour. He seemed to know what the kids were like personality wise already and probably knew they would never have the heart to choose anyone else. They might mourn the lives and opportunities they lost, but she can’t even remember a life to mourn losing. (I also think Jane might haunt the fairgrounds since she’s the first one we meet at the start of the show without Karnak using his ability to bring back the others.) I think the true point of the competition was to allow the kids to make peace with the tragedy, themselves, and each other. Ricky might have even figured it out when he decided to concede, hence his monologue afterwards.
@simplyoshiiwell apparently she ha that headless doll because she using the doll's head
Unfortunately, she is seen in all the flashbacks to when she was alive, but her face is never seen. It’s always blotted out in some way. So that part of the theory would be incorrect
@@raymiller5895 I actually meant she’s been haunting the fair grounds since she died in the accident with the rest of the kids but I can see where my wording could be misunderstood.
I also think that’s why she had the most serious song out of everyone. To kind of show she deserved a second chance the most yknow
I like to think that maybe before Penny died and was declared Jane Doe, she won the doll as a prize. Every Amusement Park has carnival games with prizes to win. She probably went to play a carnival game instead of going to get her Fortune read.
Not the clock striking midnight on April 7th (Janes birthday) right as the birthday scene starts playing
Wait-REALLY?? TALK ABT A CRAZY COINCIDENCE!!
DUDE THATS AWSOME
I feel like when Jane/Penny says, "A melody floats through the air, when silence falls, does no one care?" Could represent people not knowing who she is. Basically, "A melody floats through the air" can represent her falling out of the coaster and screaming in the air, while "When silence falls, does no one care?" Is when she gets decapitated, and her screaming stops, but "no one care?" Is the police finding the body and not knowing who she is, but her wondering if they care enough because the whole ballad of Jane Doe is about her finding it unfair that she does not know who she is, neither do the police and other people.
The fact that they give her a little birthday party is actually rather sweet.
WHY DOES THE GREENEST EYES PART MAKE ME SO EMOTIONAL. I'M LITERALLY SOBBING
1:42 not Jane reaching in for a hug and Ocean running 😭 ✨you can tell Jane just wants to be friends with Constance and Ocean :’)
And Ricky
Ride the cyclone and jane hit different after reading the legoland script (legoland is a play part of the uranium trilogy about penny and her brother ezra)
wait trilogy, THERES A THIRD ONE??? i knew about legoland and the script for it is being delivered right now but theres a third one?
OMG. 5:07 I SAW SOMEONE SAY THAT HER LOOKING AT THE UMBRELLAS REPRESENTED WHEN SHE WAS FALLING AND LOOKING AT THE RIDES. THE UMBRELLAS ARE THE RIDES.
And here I thought this song couldn’t get any sadder
And I may be wrong here, but the first light prop she floats over, the swinging light poles, are those not symbolic of another ride as well?
JUST GOT CHILLS
It can always get sadder
Yes! At 5:06 I think one is a merry go round and the other is a ferris wheel
Anyone remember how HER DAUGHTER HAS SUPER GREEN EYES?
She defo called savannah
@@savannahwith_thegreenesteyes I bet Ricky named her
I bet she dreams about Ricky every single night
@@mjserrano32 Hes dead tho- (But that would be nice if she remembered, and named her Savannah)
@@Nellie-The-Witch even better (help)
8:32 friendly reminder that these two were drunk during this scene 💀
Irl?????
@@AreesDaOG I’m pretty sure yeah either way still drunk during the scene 😂
Jajja
@@AreesDaOGbefore sugar cloud Mischa gives Noel some of his drink cause it’s Jane’s Borthday, and why wouldn’t you share a drink with your (definitely not boyfriend) best friend
@@WeirdWormGutzTHATS SO FUNNY WTF
Omg Jane is my favorite character. She just breaks my heart she’s so precious. Emily seriously killed this role, her vocals are incredible and her doll movements are amazing
I DIDNT KNOW SHE GETS A NAME IN THE END, I SOBBED
'penny lamb' fits her so well it's such a cute name 😭😭
@@ClassixBread she's a main character from the previous book/musical 'LegoLand'
@@MxFlyingPhoenix oh rlly?! :0
@@ClassixBread so I've heard
I haven't actually seen or read it
@@MxFlyingPhoenix ohhhh okay then!
“Right I’m gonna go cry” me too Jake, me too 😢
idk why i feel like her spinning in her song could maybe represent her falling?
It probably does, considering spinning fast enough before her head gets detached would mean it would be far enough away for it not to be found...wow that's dark. And a great detail
I think Jane died last after falling onto the track and got beheaded by the train.
@@anyaarcadia9166 i do believe or saw a comment saying that the roller coaster track or a dettached part sliced her head off. honestly Jane Doe is a small Golden Retriever that must be protected.
Something I find kinda funny is the fandom all arguing what part of the coaster it was that chopped her head off like that’s so dark lol other fandoms argue on like, ships(I know this has ships too) or side character stories or stuff
@@goldndoodlz2192 IKR LOL
it will always make me sad the way she looks at constance when they were singing her happy birthday, waiting to hear what her name is 😭
I headcanon that, in honor of Ricky, she names her eventual child Savana after she gets brought back.
3:40 ALSO!! SHE IS SINGING THE DIES IRAE'S NOTES IN THIS PART!!!
Piece originally used in funerals and references death nowadays in media (Except for Frozen 2- OR MAYBE IT IS?)
oh my GOD. HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS SOONER!! that’s a very cool addition!
Bc of Beetlejuice, every time I hear it now I just start laughing bc I remember an entire ensemble screaming it 😭😭
WOAAAHHHH
WAAAIT ISNT THAT THE SWEENEY TODD THING??? OMG THATS SOSOSO COOL
And the rest of the choir look like they are going to a funeral (probably obvious, just wanted to say)
i feel like Jane doe was referencing how lions eat their children when the lioness stops making love to them 4:41
I think the general consensus for that one in Kronos eating his children
random thing, in the Ballad of Jane Doe, the shadows behind her look like angel wings. I thought that was pretty cool.
I also thought that first time watching! really cool effect
I thought the same, can't tell if it's intentional or not
"Fornication Under Consent of the King"
Imma start saying that now.
You must sing it 😏
4:58 DO A FLIP, JANE!
Lol xd
She should probably be careful with stunts. We don’t know how well her head is secured on.
@@akoalabear239it's screwed on with bolts and screws
rtc is criminally underrated
I need it on Broadway with this cast and no one else
@@Queenallie2294 Kholby has to ATLEAST be involved in the production, make it come full circle
6:44 Happy birthday's scene...THE HANDS... Doll hands
The other : HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR-😶....
JANE:BICH- I JUST TOLD YOU ALL
Bro the birthday party scene and when Ricky gives her a name has me in tears and it's currently 1am in the morning😭
6:44 the way she leans closer bc she's so desperate for knowing her real name 😭
1:41
"hallo :D....I love you too gimmie a hug! :>"
the way they realize she was sad from the happy birthday song so ocean made up a new one 😭😭😭😭 i love this musical
my biggest flex is that i was born on april seventh (jane/penny’s birthday)
Im the 6th of aprill lolll
I’m august 18th (Mischa’s birthday lol)
Sept 14th
10 days after Jane/penny
mine is exactly a week after ocean's!!
I have a theory- I think she’s able to fly bc she flew/fell out of the car at the top of the coaster, hence her ascending and descending scales with the super high note at the very top, right at the drop which is where she fell out of the car and likely screamed all the way down until her head was cut off by something she hit before getting to the ground. Very specific theory but I think it makes sense :]
the high notes in the balled of jane doe were intended to be her screams when the cyclone derailed and when she’s flying, it’s also intended to be when she flew out of the cart :D
@@i_have_too_many_aesthetics EXACTLYYY I’m glad I don’t sound crazy lol
id like to put my theory out here rq
Constance and Jane were always best friends. Constance was always a little creeped out by Jane but they ended up bonding over random things once Constance understood Jane. Constance was freaked out because she didn't recognize Jane because Constance was more concerned about her death than Jane's.
All theory and a little Head Canon
Another version of RTC I reccomend is McCarter Theater. The guy who plays Mischa and sings Thalia's version from this theater has AMAZING vocals. I think he and Ashlynn Maddox where both on McCarter and Arena Stage. Love how Mischa instead of saying Birthday he says Borthday and you can literaly notice.
9:17 I wiped a tear too 😭
it hurts even more to think that when jane wipes her eyes she looks really confused. makes me think the tears were her starting to remember them as shed have her head back
okay but honestly... Constance and jane are such a terrific duo ?!
i wish we got more interactions of them where constance wasn’t scared shitless
Jane Doe being the only one unfazed after saying her catchphrase although hers was the most bizarre
1:50 IM CRYING
nobody: the lion: *WHAT'S 17 MORE YEARS*
I CAN ALWAYS START AGAIN (I love Invincible)
THE WAY OCEAN BACKS AWAY FROM JANES HUG😞😞 ID GIVE HER A HUG 🫂
HER VOICE GIVES ME CHILLS.
pause can we talk about how her skirt is affected AT ALL when she goes upside down? i love that, i dunno if its itentional, but it really (in my eyes) adds to her whole song..
From what I've read her skirt was layered and sewn to something under it so it wouldn't flip up
it is! they had to put extra support in her dress so it doesnt fall
1:52 i love the way ocean looks at Jane with the most scared face
I love how she uses her dolls head to substitute her own, that's prob why her dolls headless and she looks less human then the others
2:41 she looks so pretty in this scene!! i just luv her sm i swear--
I both love and hate how you pointed out that she wipes a tear at 9:15 bc now I’ll cry even more watching that part
I will literally never get over that flying sequence. Takes my breath away every time
She sang that last song omg
You pointing out Jane reaching for Ricky was evil, the little details in this show are so crucial
“I hear it gives you an ECREC-CCCHION
You kniw what I find interesting? (Theory time!!!!)
When Jane says what she finds terryfiying: a lioness stopping sex with the lion, so the lion kills the cubs, then the lioness continues?
I feel like Jane didnt die on the rollerciaster, i think she was killed. Namely, by her father, or fatherly figure in her life. (This is pure headcannons now!)
I think Jane's mother had Jane and stopped 'making love' to Janes father. The father got extremely jealous and killed Jane, probably by beheading her. He heard about the Cycline incident as he was figuring out what to do with the body, dressed her in a choir uniform and hid her body near the Cyclone, for the police to find. Thats why they never found her head, it was never there in the first place.
Jane's mother was distraught, but the father cinsoled her by saying 'its okay, we can have another child', so the mither never came looking. This, or they fled the country.
Jane woukdnt have known the sadness the mother felt, just that she never came and identified her body.
Thats why she is so scared by it, its what she believed happened to her, which caused her death
Fornication under consent of the king is my favorite moment of RTC because it's SO uncalled for 😂
4:31 okay but fr how tf do the get this effect? Is she held up by wires or something? It’s so cool
there's a crane behind her in the dark- she has a harness that attaches directly at the back (attached when the curtains are there) and can move her horizontally and at angles
Hi! I do rigging for my theater that is how you normally get someone to fly, you’ll put them in a harness and have people or machine lift and lower, for the spinning im not sure put most likely she was attached to a machine like the other comment says
she's actually being held by an anchor controlled behind the curtain from her back! And the actress had to learn to sing upside down to
"borthday" im gigglin
The "FORNICATION UNDER CONSENT OF THE KIIIIING!" is amazing and hilarious cause it's such a long pause and Janes just staring into space
Born to do the crazy riffs of Jane doe, forced to do the riffs of ocean
1:30 NAAAHHHH YOU DID NOT
Like john ill remain just a lost refrian just jane... jane doe.
NO QUEEN YOUR SONG IS THE BEST IN THE FCKING MUSICAL IT AINT A LOST REFRAIN ALSO NO YOU ARE SAVANNAH OR PENNY OR JANE
Emily Rohm did such a did job acting as her
GIVE JANE A DAMN HUG
I would😭
Fun fact her line "Time eats all his children in the end" Is meant to be a reference to the Greek titan Kronos who is the Titan of Time. "time eats all his children in the end" = "Kronos eats all his children" which is true, kronos ends up eating all of his children but Zeus
OR it could just be the truth
@@NathanJasper that response makes no sense. what truth? that time (kronos) eats all his children in the end? cause he doesnt.. basic history on greek myth right there
and i feel like it's a connection to her catchphrase! Kronos's wife was Rhea and guess what her patron animal was? LION
I didn’t even watch the full thing and I just spoiled it for myself 😭
Greek mythology reference? Koranos is the titan of time and he ate his children 4:40
Jane Doe, and Jane Doe dancing is the greatest thing I've ever seen in this entire musical
Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous. 😢
so SOMEONE needs to explain the very very very ending to me… now. 😭 I know it’s so much deeper, i just don’t understand it
I wish I could watch this version so badly 😞. But the vocals are beautiful
wym like irl or watch it online?
I was qatching this at 11 pm at night and for some reason I couldnt stop laughing 😂😂😂
I've decided that like the anime Another, Jane was already dead and was an extra in the choir, hence why no one remembers her when she dies, not even the other choir kids she died with. She wasn't supposed to be there. Another also has a lot of doll imagery, just like her
my biggest flex is that im born five days before jane:3
SLAY GIRL JANE DOE QILL FOREVER BE MY FAV
personally my theory is that at the end when the curtain closes all of them go through the portal, not just penny but thats probably just wishful thinking :).
i love her
Does anyone have any audio of Mischa's other show?
Talia?
The fact she’s one day after my bday 😭
I haven't seen anyone point it out, but Jane always has an echoing effect on her voice because the sound is coming from her neck but echoes inside her hollow head when we hear it, and her song has her doing seemingly uncoordinated flying because the feeling of falling is the only thing she remembers from being alive. Rapturous Detailing.
4:15
And I’m asking…WHY LORD IS THIS HOW I DIE LORDD??
Jane doe is so silly
I forgot if she actually did this,but I head cannon that if she had a daughter in her new life she named her savanna.
And had VERY green eyes 🟢-🟢
I only just realized the darwin song was from this
I think the reason Jane just grabbed the cupcake is because she has a doll head, she can talk, but she isn’5 using air
jane/penny and i have the same birthday i love her sm
Why do me and Jane/Penny have the same birthday
My favorite characters of this thing are jane constance mischa and noel
Cheeseburber
Something I just noticed is that at the end of the song, the shadow behind her was supposed to represent wings. I have a theory that maybe since she's floating in the air, it's supposed to represent her death? I'm not sure 😭😭But those def look like wings behind her
I'M SAD YOU CUT "DO YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND REALLY KINDA SUPER HURTS" NOOOO
2:14 Noel playing with her hair?
In Mischa’s song, she’s doin some funny things to Ricky….,
why did I just notice that Fornication under consent of the king spells fuck??? Thats the whole futher-muckin point
I have a small theory as why Constance blew out the candle (idk if she had a reason) since Jane has a doll head, and most of her hair is probably synthetic, Constance might’ve been worried it would’ve caught on fire so she blew it out for her :)
2:18 It took me so long to get this joke.
I always thought that her reaching out was her searching for her soul in hopes that she could find herself.
This might seem weird, but I thought that Ricky letting Jane take the name Savanah.😅
What if he had wanted to name his future kid Savanah😢
Am gonna repeat it
I think her name is really Daisy she mentions them in her ballad in a point they have no need to be referenced they could’ve said a flower related to death but they chose a daisy a flower that represents recreation and rebirth
Edit:
I also want to add how the 5 stages of grief works in TBoJD
When they scream
“Does anyone care!?”
Noel is louder than the others kind like you feel when depressed
Her name is penny lamb, they said it in the end of the musical…
"pushing daisies" is just another way of saying dead and buried
They say her name at 9:15
Daisies DO represent rebirth, but the phrase "pushing daisies" refers to daisies growing over someone's grave, like they've been dead and buried ages
i love how you can mostly hear noel during that part and im really mad they got rid of that in the soundtrack 😭
1:31 JAIL!!! NOW!!!!
MY NAME IS SAVANNAH
No way me and penny share a birthday
FUN FACT I SHARE A BIRTHDAY WITH PENNY (april 7 babyyy)
So no head? 🤣