"Everyone's special, Dash." "Which is another way of saying no one is." I'm honestly surprised this didn't get a win for the foreshadowing of Syndrome's line "And when everyone's super, no one will be"
You should've mentioned that when Violet jumps in front of Dash with the shield to stop the bullets, she wasn't EXPECTING to create the shield! She was ready to take the shots for her little brother!
@@dbseamz she was definitely trying to make a shield, but she struggled on the plane and in the cave, so she had no guarantee it would work but was still diving for him anyway.
Something I noticed about Edna when I rewatched the movie recently: When she was bringing up examples for the "No capes!" argument she knew not only who and how, but also the exact date that the death occurred. She designed all of those suits, so she definitely feels responsible for all of those deaths. She may say that she doesn't focus on the past, that it distracts from the now, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have her own demons.
Fun fact: the scene with Bob and Helen argue originally didn't have Helen stretching taller. Pixar employees complained that it made Bob look like he was bullying her, so Brad Bird made the change of Helen stretching to make them more equal and made it look like it was a more regular couple fight (or as regular as a couple fighting about what they shouldn't be doing with their superhero powers can be).
@@nyabis8044 families argue like that, all the time, saying that that scene is abuse is far from it, in fact that's one of the nicest arguments among families, and you guys are bullying someone elses ideals to feel superior, think about that for a second.
I love the fact that when Elastigirl and co are about to get shot down, she uses real airplane radio terminology. Identifies the plane, "transmitting in the blind" means pretty much "To whoever can hear this".
I especially love the desperatation in what she says, as most of it is her essentially saying "I'm friendly, don't shoot" even though she must know that the other party knows she isn't a friendly, so it's fruitless right? But if she can get them to doubt that, to double check friend or for, to delay the missiles hitting for even a second, that is another second she has bought for her kids. The desperation of trying something so unlikely to do anything simply because there is nothing else she can do, and Hunter plays it perfectly.
Transmitting on Guard too-121.5 megahertz is the standard international civil aviation distress radio frequency. It's called Guard because you're technically supposed to be on guard if you're listening to it. Source: pilot with 300 hours
Another thing that was mentioned in the directors commentary: the first shot with the interviews with each hero describing themselves, was ultimately wrong. Frozone saw himself as a ladies man and scoffed at settling down, but he did eventually. Mr.Incredible said he would love to settle down, but he had a hard time adjusting, and ElastiGirl said she was a strong woman who didn't think she would ever settle down, but she fit right in her family and was happy settling down.
I didn't think much of it when I was a kid, but I went to see a double feature of the incredibles 1 and 2 last Wednesday and when he did that I thought "wow a random guard who is actually smart"
Megashark 101 that's a win on itself and why I love this movie. These arnt saterday morning cartoon henchmen who always miss and trip over thier own feet. These guys are a real threat and are realistic. You wouldn't hire a henchman if he was a clumsy loser, ud hire someone smart, capable on thier own and in groups, and great at thinking things out, not to mention able to defend themselves and thier leader. One of the few times u see that in movies
I was surprised that whole scene where Bob is so concerned over his family when Elastigirl says "There are children aboard this plane!" and the horrifyingly real emotion is spread across both Bob and Mirage's face. That scene is arguably the most intense and feeling part throughout the movie, as it show cased just how dire the situation really was. Even when I was a kid, I understood how scary and intense that scene was. I think we can all agree that this entire movie was the epitome of our childhood.
I think that's also when mirage first realized exactly what she was doing. Yes, she always looked a bit guilty, but she only really started rebelling after that event
“There are children aboard” will never NOT give me chills. This was amazing adult movie that just so happened to appeal to kids. I love this movie, man.
There was a cut where Syndrome had both the parents trapped in the home and Jack Jack starts crying in another room, Syndrome just grins and starts walking in that direction with the parents unable to do anything but watch. It was storyboarded and voice acted, but they decided to leave it out of the film. As a parent to a 5 month old, that would be my absolute worst nightmare.
Even though we see Helen and the kids survive the missile attack, seeing Bob's face contort into rage and him being on the verge of crushing Mirage was absolutely terrifying. I remember breathing a sigh of relief when he decided to let her go.
9:22 - Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. If anything, Jack-Jack Attack proved that she _absolutely could_ handle anything even a super-baby could dish out. Sure, it did a number on her nerves and possibly sanity, but Kari stayed awake overnight well into the next day, improvising countermeasures on the fly to an 'exploding baby' who was constantly surprising her with new superpowers. Seriously, go take a close look at her last scene with Jack-Jack; among other things, she's sitting there supervising him with a butterfly net, a mirror (which she whips out with split-second reflexes while struggling with exhaustion), a fire extinguisher, a chainsaw, and _a grappling hook with rope_ all at arm's reach. And this was after trying and failing to secure him by tethering him to one of Mr. Incredible's weights! Carrie-with-a-K-instead-of-a-C-and-an-'ah'-instead-of-an-'eh'-and-only-one-R-and-an-I-instead-of-an-I-E deserves a purple heart, or whatever the babysitting equivalent is.
Seriously, scrolled waaay down than I expected to see this. She really delivered on the words that she could handle everything Jack Jack could throw at her. Everything was fine till Syndrome arrived.
Missed Win: When Syndrome was looking back at Mr Incredible telling him to “fly home”, he only saw Mr Incredible instead of both him and Bomb Voyage. Meaning that’s entirely what he focused on and putting more emphasis on how hard those words crushed him.
Also Mr. Incredible never said "Go home Buddy, I work alone." when it first happened. Bob was telling Buddy it was DANGEROUS. It was like Buddy thought Mr. Incredible wanted to glory for HIMSELF (which is what Syndrome wanted), instead of just being concerned a literal child is around a guy trying to blow up a building and would kill him.
Rather than the fact that Buddy almost got exploded by Bomb Voyage, allowing the latter to escape. Bob was right to not let Buddy tag along. He would probably have gotten himself killed.
@TheMusicInMe43 Technically, the first time he says it, he says, "Go home, Buddy. Now." The second time he does, he says, "Fly home, Buddy. I work alone." When he says it the second time at the beginning of the movie, he's holding Bomb Voyage. Later, when we see it from Syndrome's perspective, Mr. Incredible is just looking straight down at Buddy.
“I can totally handle anything this baby can dish out” “They actually made a short film to disprove exactly that” Actually, that short proves the opposite, she CAN handle is, and does so wonderfully, but at the cost of her sanity and the house. She’s an amazing babysitter all things considered. I mean, she even extinguished Jack-Jack in the tub despite looking at the toilet first, making the right decision even while being stressed out while holding a flaming baby. Honestly the worst thing she did was give Jack-Jack to Syndrome but honestly by then she was insane.
I've always loved the fact that Elastigirl isn't just a former hero. She's a pilot (and I guess all-around stunt driver in the sequel) but it's this whole other part of her life that isn't explicitly connected to the hero theme - just fleshing her out as a character with interests. There are a ton of ways she could have gotten herself to that island, but it's fun seeing her use a skill she clearly was super involved with at one point. Also a nice contrast to her husband, who feels like a nobody without being a hero, while she has "grounded" interests that don't rely on having powers.
And I think pretty clearly a figther pilot, whether in the military or more likely, fancy super plane she borrowed from her buddy. I know there's breakdowns on youtube of what each phrase she says means in the context of aviation, or usually combat aviation.
On a recent rewatch, Bob has a lot of these skills, too. I always remembered him as just being "super strength" but across the film we see him being clever, technologically proficient (his Bond car and the computer stuff he does on the island), surprisingly acrobatic, precise (both catching the suicide jumper and hitting a guard with a rock from a long distance) and quickly able to make plans on the spot. I'm due to rewatch Incredibles 2, which if I recall correctly leaned more on Elastigirl's non-super abilities, but watching this movie with a new eye it looked like Bob AND Helen had a wide variety of skills outside their powers.
"Elastigirl? You married Elastigirl? AND GOT BEEZEEEHHH!! It's a whole FAMILY of supers I really can't believe this..." Didn't get this the first time I watched cus I was 8, I get it now though.
Apparently Syndrome has a cut line in this exchange where he exclaims “I didn’t know they let you guys breed!”. Implying that some sort of eugenics program was imposed on the supers of the world (or the US at least) to prevent more supers from being created.
something i always appreciated was edna’s expression at their wedding: like it would have been perfectly in character for them to have her see the incredibles as no more than moving mannequins for her designs, but she genuinely loves bob and helen and they love her. it’s a great way of humanizing her as a larger than life diva, but also a normal human lady with normal human joys, like watching your friends on their special day
Missed Win #2: The Incredibles logo shared by the family is a mix of the "i" in Mr. Incredible's original logo and the oval shape of Elastigirl's. Niiice.
One thing you missed was how Violet got knocked out by the machine because it broke her force field. This actually shows that while some powers are just physical attributes, like Dash's ability to be quick and Elastigirl's ability to stretch, some people have powers that are mental attributes. I've never seen something like Violet's powers given that much depth before.
Right I noticed that too. The explosion debris that hit her force field in the scene after Syndrome got pulled into the engine didn't destroy it. And that came from the sky, while the machile lifted a couple feet from the ground before it came crashing down to burst her force field. The fear on Violet's face proves that even if the machine wasn't high enough to create the velocity it'd need to burst the force field, Violet has to have the confidence to strengthen the force field and keep it intact. I'm sorry if that's too much to take in.
Even though she's a teenager, Violet might be stronger than her dad. She got knocked out by the full weight of the Omnidroid, the one robot that's purposefully designed to kill a seasoned Superhero like Bob, and was back on her feet in 9 seconds!
Um I am tired of these mother fucking snakes on this mother fucking plane. And the avengers it started with an idea monologue they used in the movie and then the promo for infinity war several ones from pulp fiction etc. He has way more extremely popular quotes some even more popular than this movies ones.
@@LizLuvsCupcakes That actually makes it work better. Incrediboy figured that because of who he was, Mr Incredible would just HAVE to take him in, almost making it seem like it was his idea. In Syndrome's arrogance he really thought that would happen.
@@traviscummings9178I’d argue more like a twisted Tim Drake. Jason Todd’s issues revolve more around Bruce’s conflicting obligations as Batman and a father (the father would kill the Joker for his son, but Batman cannot kill, plus the additional ideological differences around handling crime.) Not to mention Jason Todd never inserted himself into Bruce’s life, he was actively taken in and allowed to be Robin but he overall was happy to be Bruce’s son, Robin or no Robin. Tim Drake meanwhile inserted himself into the role of Robin for admittedly selfless reasons since Batman was spiralling after Jason’s death and needed a partner, and Dick had already refused to return to the role. But Batman did explicitly reject Tim until Tim saved Batman from Two-face.
when i went to see incredibles 2 some dude walked into the theatre and yelled “HONEEYY, WHERE’S MY SUPER SUIT?” and a some laughed but i heard a few “whaaat?” behind me.
As a kid, I used to think that the guy who jumped from the building was like doing a stunt and he was gonna be caught at the bottom or something but Mr Incredible ruined it for him.... And it was only when I watched video did I realise why he jumped off the building
That is _exactly_ what I thought the scene was about too. The spotlight, the man's annoyance at Mr. Incredible, the crowd below... I actually didn't realize he was committing suicide until I watched the CinemaSins EWW Incredibles video because my mind distorted the clip to fit its little five-year-old beliefs and knowledge and even when I was older that was still how I perceived the scene.
When I first watched the film, when I heard that woman say “he’s gonna jump”, I thought he was trying escape from something, like the bank robbery. Idk why I thought this, but it was a surprise to find out the truth nonetheless.
I love that you added several wins for Dash’s little giggle because my dad LOVES that. He always points out the same thing you did: he’s just a kid and that’s exactly how a kid would react.
I like the fact that the interviews at the beginning have the characters stating one thing, but it turns out that they actually want something different. Elastigirl says she has no interest in settling down and quitting being a hero, but she's the one who's quite comfortable being a stay-at-home mom later. Mr. Incredible says he'd love it if he didn't always have to save people, but when faced with the forced inactivity of retirement, he can't cope. Frozone is more interested in the superhero-side of people, but later he's settled down with a non-superhero wife (granted this only implied, but it seems a valid assumption). It's an interesting contrast that shows how the characters do or don't mature, and also how their desires change when faced with different circumstances.
I actually might have to disagree with the part about Mr. Incredible. I think it’s possible that he just didn’t want to have to save people all the time. You know, be allowed to take the occasional break from heroing. Not that he wanted to completely stop saving people.
The scene with Dash cornered in the tunnel is SO well written. They introduce a new ability (i.e. running on water), incorporate it into a longer scene so that you sort of forget about it, and then REMOVE the ability in a way that actually solves the problem it created. It's obvious in retrospect, but no one involved in the scene expects it at all, and why should they? In the heat of the fight, everything is behaving the same way it does on land, so your brain sort of removes the water from the equation until it's suddenly of vital importance again.
Unfortunate issue that it relies more on cartoon physics by that point, since Dash would have almost certainly sank when he had to stop and turn around.
@@Domura Yep. And it's doubly irritating because it would have worked just as well the realistic way. He'd just go under instead of turning, and then boom.
Actually, if you think about it, one of the reasons is because the water has actually a good amount of density, along with the fact that Dash's weight isn't felt when running at such a high speed. After he stops running on the water, then his weight immediately pulls him down.
The scene with Helen flying the jet and having to switch back and forth from being a pilot to being a mother is because the scene was originally written with Helen's friend Snug (the one she was speaking to on the phone) doing the actual flying. The scene was even drawn out in animatic so you can see it on the extras, but it was re-written to have Helen flying because the scene concludes with Snug's heavily implied death. Helen would have been in the main cabin with her kids, and when the missiles hit she wouldn't have been able to extend herself over him as well. This was thought to be just a liiiiiiiiiiittle too dark, so instead it was changed to remove Snug from the scenario altogether.
It also makes it more badass that Helen's actress made damn sure to learn all that pilot lingo to get that scene done right. And holy cow, did she ever.
Rosie Johnson yeah. It gives more depth to Hellen as a person. Rather than just “super mom” it builds out the idea that before settling down for the kids she had a fully developed normal life with her own quirks and tells that any super has.
Missed Win #1: the super clever dramatic irony in the opening interviews, setting up the three adult heroes’ personalities in a way that’s about to get subverted- Bob just wants a break from hero work while Helen feels like she could do it forever and Lucious just wants to do anything but settle down.
The Ponderer Another interesting thing about Lucius is that he spends time talking about Having relationships with Super-heroines in the interview but ends up marrying a normal Woman
Actually, I think he's saying "You ruined my debt" As in, he was in debt and his neck injury is making it much much worse. Idk, you might end up being right, Skittles & Phinninix *shrugs*
And yet he was flailing while he was falling as if to immediately regret his jump. I think he got wooed by a slimeball, opportunistic lawyer who hounded him and convinced him to sue Mr. Incredible.
Holly Hunter's performance in this is phenomenal. Helen is a strong character but the emotion behind lines like "There are children aboard" and the adrenaline-fuelled "Bob, throw me!!!" give me all the feels.
I can’t believe you skipped over Craig Nelson’s “NO!” When Mr. Incredible found out his kids were aboard the plane. Shit gives me chills every time. So believable.
I love the scene were Helen desperately announces that there are children on board while rockets are closing in and how it horrifies the blond chick. Dont know why, but that kind of reaction brings tears to my eyes.
Yeah, that's one her "humanizing" moments, ya know? So when she turns against Syndrome at the end, it feels like a genuine moment that's earned, not just tacked on. Yeah, I need to watch this again, then go watch #2, so much goodness in these movies.
Yeah, I always got the feeling with her that she never really was in it to kill superheroes, and the supers they were murdering weren't "real" people to her. It was that moment of realizing kids were about to be killed that made it suddenly "real" to her. And makes her heel-face turn more realistic.
I agree, but too that point: Why was she in on it? I'm assuming Syndrome was paying her pretty handsomely, or maybe she was one of his major contributors finance wise and decided to get really involved? Who knows, it's never discussed.
Wasn't the backstory for Helen that she was a pilot in WW2? I liked that in the details of the film you could see that Bob, Helen, and Lucius had been in the service. When Syndrome talked about his development of weapons for countries, that brought up the Cold War reality of the early 1960s.
My favourite shot ever in this film is at 13:06, just that incredibly iconic standing position with those confident grins on their faces really just makes it awesome that they're all fighting together again as a family. Even Violet seems super confident
When they went to talk to Dash’s principal, Jack Jack wasn’t with them. When they go back to the car, Jack Jack is there. They left Jack Jack, an infant, alone in the car.
Ha! Way worse than the front facing car seat. Fortunately, we know he can't overheat. Sheesh, dark stuff. Apparently, Brad Bird kept coming up with powers for Jack-Jack that would be a response to scary things that injure babies all the time. Like swallowing pills, or falling into the fireplace or down the stairs. They decided against anything that could be imitated.
Edna probably hates capes because all those superheroes she list that died by capes were probably designed by her, and she feels guilt knowing her designs caused their deaths, that's why in the scene where mister incredible says he wants a cape and she snaps at him, it shows a close up of her face looking ferious as she starts taking notes again. She doesn't want Mr. Incredible to be another dead superheroe because of her.
I do not know where i picked this up, but there is also a theory that that's exactly the reason why she gave Syndrome a cape (provided she actually designed Syndrome's costume, which is just a theory in and of itselft, albeit a reasonable one i think).
Oh man @18:22 when Syndrome theatrically says "And just when all hope is lost." he throws away the remote he's holding. That is some next level foreshadowing.
Missed win: The way Elastigirl stretches out her hands at 14:58 to brace Jack Jack's impact. Split-second detail to make it believable that a baby would survive that.
moshe s and Syndrome is kind of a Pyscho because of what Mr. Incredible did to him as a kid that his Machinations are a Symptom of rejection. Mental health.
Missed win: In a commentary, Brad Bird talked about how Holly Hunter insisted on learning the lingo Helen used when the plane they used to rescue Bob was being chased by missiles which gives us a glimpse of Helen's military flight training. - VFR on top means she is flying in the regime of Visual Flight Rules on top of a cloud cover. - Her request for the "vectors to the initial" means she's requesting directions for landing on Nomanisan. - "Buddy-spiked" is a US military term which means an anti-aircraft radar has locked on (my aircraft), please do not shoot. - "Transmitting on the blind guard" is a call to (any) emergency frequency which has not yet been established. - Angels 10 altitude call is a military term meaning 10 thousand feet. Civilian flights use flight levels. - "Abort" is also a military code/directive meaning "stop the attack/mission - Also, Helen's call sign, India Golf Niner Niner is IG99 in the NATO phonetic alphabet. "IG" is a nod to Iron Giant also directed by Brad Bird, which was released on 1999.
Alright I'm stupid xD i didn't know Helen was in the military. I thought her knowing plane lingo and the picture of her and that one guy was just showing she had a friend that owed planes and she used to learn from him. Like a plane, the whole military thing went right over my head
In the special features they reveal that originally the pilot was going to be an old acquaintance of Helen's, the guy you see in the picture frame when she calls in the favour to get the plane, and he wasn't going to survive the explosion when she rescues the kids. That's why she looks down at the sinking fuselage after they land in the way she does. They changed the scene and Holly Hunter was called back to do the new lines, which the OP so very kindly explained.
The fact that Sins and Wins both, for lack of better words, "won" the Dash on water scene just speaks to how amazing it is. Jeremy literally just lol'ed as he removed sins. LMAO
I love all the little details in this movie: -The way the hair frizzes and is sometimes out of place. -The little human movements and interactions that help define the character. -The blades on the flying machines that are most likely meant for intimidation and cutting through the thick jungle. -Dash's line in which he counteracts Helen's line saying how everyone is special and then having that foreshadow Syndrome's plan to make everyone 'special' so no one is. -Also the fact that, Bob, the big strong one isn't a complete idiot. He is just easily distracted, but he is also clever and quick-thinking.
One thing I like about the flying saucer things is that the blades serve so many purposes. They seem to be it's main propulsion and steering mechanism, yet they also, as you said, are used to cut through the jungle they were designed to be used in, and also serve as an effective weapon. They're just really cool, overall.
the airplane scene gets me EVERY TIME. the way helen immediately enters business mode, the rapid cuts between helen and the kids’ panic and bob’s reactions in real time, *”there are children aboard”* _”no!”_ as it’s own entity, the way bob’s immediate reaction is anger but then he slumps and gives up once syndrome calls his bluff…. it makes you feel everything the characters are feeling and i’ve never made it through the entire sequence without crying
Brad Bird ended up voicing Edna Mode because he kept showing other voice actors what he wanted from her voice, until one person told him basically, "You've got this, why are you trying to hire me?"
Whoever is the person that said that, I want to give a goddamn medal to. Giving up a potential role to the guy trying to hire you so it'd be good for the art? Who would ever be that generous?
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@@UltimaKeyMaster That person who said that was Lily Tomlin.
The amount of actual film making talent on display in this film is staggering. It is animated like a real film is shot. Same composition many times, angles, use of camera, sound, etc. This took typical animated films and elevated it to actual cinema. Plus, because it is animated, you get to do crazy things you can't in a real movie, like falling to the tree with Bob, or the chase with Dash, etc. But because of how real the rest of it has felt, EVERYTHING feels real. And thanks for putting into words what I've always been unable to about the scene in the plane with Helen and the kids. That moment she switches to Elastigirl and you feel the terror. Other Pixar films have had intense moments etc, but up to this one, I can't think of any that put its characters into such intense, real, danger.
The best part is that the powers are belivable without being toned down, like in the MCU where they make the characters weaker from how they are in the comics.
Missed win to me anyway. When Ellen is flying the plane with children onboard and the missiles are fired and she makes it apparent that there are children on the plane. Mirage can bee seen with a look on her face debating whether or not to disarm the missiles because there are children on the plane. You can see her fighting with helping syndrome defeat Mr. Incredible's apparent ally or not killing children. Absolutely amazing animation from the animators. Sorry this was so long. 😀
The more I think about it Edna is probably one of the biggest heroes in this universe, not only does she make the iconic suits, but she takes into account the super's powers and in some cases she even uses her suits to improve the hero's powers. Like when she made Elastigirl's suit indestructible so she could save herself and her kids when those missiles hit them. She also pointed out the big problem with capes, an idea/criticism that I was actually introduced to by that scene. She really is one of the best unsung heroes.
Hearing elastigirl yelling “abort” frantically hits me so hard EVERY. TIME. And the kids’ voice actors did such a good job. They really sound so terrified.
The prologue sequence is amazing because it hits all the stereotypical “superhero tropes” in a few minutes - saving a cat from a tree, stopping a train, halting a bank robbery, etc. Then the rest of the movie subverts the common expectations of superheroes stories. This movie is the best
Excuse you, they made a short film about how she totally handled everything Jack-jack threw at her. Yes she was scared out of her mind, but she handled it super well for a non-super.
Tia Williams to be fair, she was exhausted and terrified of this demon baby, and also did question his validity. Would you be thinking completely logically after who knows how long with a pool of seemingly endless powers?
@Tia Williams. In all fairness, she had been making calls about Jack Jack basically stating that the job was becoming too much for her, I think she even stated that Helen would need a more 'special' babysitter to replace her. So for Syndrome to show up, it's not too unreasonable for her to see it as Helen doing just that.
I think one of my favourite scenes from this movie is when Dash runs on water.... What really makes it stand out is that the background music completely cuts as Dash, the viewers and the music was holding their breath because we all were waiting for impact or to drown...... But it never happens and Dash's laugh after realizing that he could run on water was just euphoric. Thank you for giving multiple well deserving wins for that scene alone.
There are AT LEAST two things I love the most from this movie: 1) Elastigirl's journey to and through Nomanisan Island, as she both exercises her powers in awesome ways while also shows the concerns and care of an experienced middle-age mom (we got a lot more Elastigirl in Incredibles 2, so yay for me). 2) Dash's little laugh as he realizes just how INCREDIBLE his power really is. Super speed is one of my favorite superpowers, and Dash enjoys it too.
I totally agree. Elastigirl proves to be awesome in both movies. Being a daughter who looks up to her Mum as a tough and pretty badass woman, watching Elastigirl be professionally sneaky and realistic in protecting her kids by preparing them to be careful with the bad guys and then seeing her more in Incredibles 2 as a full James Bond / MCU kind of hero, using her intelligence and professional superhero-ing to figure out the villain and being a role model for younger heroes, such as Void is so amazing and I love Helen so much and was so glad they made her the sole ‘hero’ of Incredibles 2. Additionally, I loved how Violet took on her mother in that she was the one leading Dash and using her intelligence to help find their parents (plus Lucius) and stop the boat is awesome and while I looked up to Helen, I related so well with Violet in that her way of ‘superhero-ing’ is genetic or subconsciously learnt from her Mother.
When you do Incredibles 2 something I noticed in it was that no one noticed Jack Jack’s powers. I thought “why is this such a surprise? The babysitter was talking about it and they saw him use them on Syndrome.” Then I noticed that the babysitter was just freaking out and never specifically said anything about powers, just weird stuff. And with Syndrome they just saw him freaking out and couldn’t see Jack Jack. And when he was dropped he was back to his normal self. I’m glad they kept that continuity in the sequel.
I disagree, that's one issue I found with The Incredibles 2 continuity. That the 3 months that pass between the Syndrome thing and Underminer had Jack-Jack never once using his powers which had developed during that time? And Kari gave her report to DIcker that Jack-Jack was using powers and this never got reported to the family? Doesn't really make sense
While I agree with both of you, I believe I understand the Jack-Jack issue. In both Incredibles movies (except for the ending of 2), Jack-Jack uses his powers as a result of his MOM not being around. Throughout the movie, he keeps asking for "mama." It's a common thing for babies to lash out after being removed from familiar imprinted people. Mom and the rest of the family left so Jack lashed out slightly and used his powers on the babysitter to cope. He then did the same thing when he was forcibly removed from his mom by Syndrome. In incredibles 2 as soon as Mom is away for days (something he's not used to), he unleashes his powers on Bob and everyone else that's not mom. As for why he suddenly reveals his powers at the end, my guess is because of Aunt Edna Mode. After that visit, Jack-Jack is semi more intune with the concept of powers and actually didn't use it until he was meant to. ALSO the first time he uses his powers in front of mom is to use telekinesis to SAVE HIS MOM. After that he, used them only to protect his mom. It's still a tad messy but this is simply what I believe. No mom = lashing out/coping with powers, saving mom = lashing out/coping with powers
I love how the cape creates such a strong thematic separation between the Incredibles and Syndrome. Syndrome wears a cape because it’s iconic, glorious (which it definitely is,) and what superheroes wear. While Bob is a little annoyed by not getting to wear a cape for the superficial reasons listed, he and all the incredibles understand that saving the world is infinitely more important than looking cool, and put their heads down
One win missing: When Bob is telling his family that he's sorry (while they were all captured), Violet uses her force field powers so effectively to break out of the capturing device! That scene was really amazing.
Dude, I was getting so tired of Cinemasins and their constant nitpicking, and as I grew up I think I was constantly get tired of the trend to complain about things instead of celebrating them, I initially thought the channel would just be a fad. But it's become some of my favorite content on TH-cam. Thank you for celebrating things instead of tearing them down. I truly believe that's one of the mindsets that make life better
Cinemasins wearies me too. If I watched too many of their videos, I'd feel the narrator's cynical voice in the back of my head for the rest of the day. I always Favorited the videos they did where sins got taken away and they genuinely, if grudgingly, admitted something was too awesome for them to dunk on, such as the beginning of their Wall-E video, because I was so desperate for positivity from these sarcastic a-holes (said with affection, but whenever their videos start to get to me, I remember their EWW Cinemasins video where the first thing they say is "We're not reviewers, we're assholes." Completely admitting that often, they're just memeing and not meant to be taken seriously). I'm so glad I found this channel and took a chance on one of Lee's videos, these are some of my favorite things to play in the background and watch when I don't have the time for a full movie.
I think Cinemasins is meant to be a sort of comedic satire, or at least that's how I've seen it described on occasion. I've watched both channels extensively and when Jeremy covers the same film both ways, he usually comments on the same thing in both at least once. I believe it's nitpicky for the sake of it, similar to how Matrix is violent to the point of being funny.
I agree with CinemaWins, but here are some more I would add: 1) During the plane scene, Craig T. Nelson's acting is phenomenal (Call off the missiles I'll do anything!). 2) Syndrome not accepting Mr. Incredible's offer by showing his bitterness towards Mr. Incredible due to the latter rejecting the former as his sidekick years before (Too late! Fifteen years too late!) 3) Got BUSY! (adult joke) 4) Foreshadowing with Helen and Dash mentioning everyone is special (no one is) and Syndrome saying, "...and when everyone is super. No one will be."
This is why MisAnthroPony could do this video even more than CinemaSins could because at least HE would remember to point out these wins! But at least CinemaWins had wins with The Incredibles that are meant to be both comedically and intentionally taken!
How could you not win Syndrome explaining his plan? That moment where he says "And when everyone's super... no one will be." gives me chills even years later. Jason Lee just nailed it and it's such an interesting take on the supervillain plan. No world conquest or stealing riches, just revenge on the superhero society who denied him for his lacks of actual powers.
My friend and I reached this to prepare for the second one, and something I'd never noticed before are the similarities between Syndrome and Dash. There are a few visual similarities, like their freckles and the shape of their hair, although Syndrome's points up and Dash's points back (and is less obvious and dramatic), but what stood out was the repeated line along the lines of "If everyone is special, no one is". Dash has a lot of similar opinions to Syndrome, and his wanting to join the school sports teams is comparable to Bob's rejection of 'Incrediboy'. They're mirrors of each other, but in Dash we see the difference of a loving, supportive family and his eventual inclusion in the track team. They each show what the other could be under different circumstances, and I think this makes Syndrome a more relatable villain.
19:59 they said on the director's commentary (and I think the bonus features as well) that the hand going through the fabric was one of the most hardest shots in the film, taking three months. Three. To make that hand go through the fabric. Also, people, watch Jack Jack Attack. It plays into the second movie.
Cloth simulation is one of the most frustrating things ever. Even with today's computers. It never turns out the way you wanted, and if you had to do it well by hand, you'd probably die of old age.
rewatching this movie now with a greater appreciation for period pieces makes me feel crazy because when i was little i had NO idea when this was set. not only did i not recognize the design/fashion/architectural choices or the historical implications of *when* it was set, i didn't even care because the story it tells itself is so timeless. but now that i have an actual fascination with this kind of stuff it just makes the movie THAT much cooler
also frankly the fact that it never really says outright "hey this is the 1960s" is REALLY admirable. there's no timestamps in the movie with a clear obvious date, everything about the time period is shown directly. and the fact that not directly stating the exact time of the movie doesn't detract from it is really awesome too
One more Incredible thing --- The Fantastic Four, X-Men, and other super hero groups ALWAYS behave individually, never as a team. The Incredibles are the first where they combine their powers to do something. For instance, Violet creates a force field around herself and Dash, so Dash then runs inside of it moving them together and protected. Or, when after they land in the sea, Elastigirl mom shapes herself like a boat, and Dash becomes the motor. That sort of tool combinations I don't see in other super groups. The Incredibles are really the first Super Team, the others are just Super Groups.
While I understand what you mean, I'd have to respectfully disagree. The X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, and Justice League have plenty of moments of working together and combining their powers.
If you watch the wins counter for The Avengers, “teamwork” gets winned a couple of times. It’s common enough that, like honesty, it’s a standard “win” to the point of being a catch phrase of the CinemaWins show. It’s always good to see, but it’s not by any means unique.
Nah, this is wrong. The Fantastic Four are a big inspiration for the Incredibles in the whole 'being a family' department. I'm also pretty sure they must have coordinated powers sometimes, though I can't remember specific examples. The X-Men have a combo that's so famous the name is often used for similar moves: the Fastball Special, where Colossus throws Wolverine at a big/distant enemy. Though if you ask me, the most amazing example of superpower team coordination in all fiction isn't even in a superhero story, it's the Strawhats vs. Oars fight in One Piece, with nine characters with incredibly different power sets coordinating in the most ridiculous ways for attacks on a massive scale.
I was re-watching this video, and I thought of a few things I wanted to point out. Extra wins, I guess. 2:50 - Bob's office space parallels his mental state and the way that his life is going. He literally doesn't fit in, since you can see that he has to squeeze through the opening of his cubicle, and everything is too small for him. He has even less space than the other office workers, because most of the space is occupied by a column (representation of strength) and electric line (representation of power). Bob's whole life is just like that, where he feels he can't function as a normal person because his strength and superpowers take up so much space in his mind, and make up who he really is. Also, compare that to how his new employer, Syndrome, has Bob sit in a room next to a wall of lava. In Bob's office at Insuricare, the power line is both underplayed and boring, as well as a nuisance. But in Syndrome's "office" of sorts, the power source is on full display, open, and appealing. That's exactly how Bob feels about his own powers. Pixar has been showing us the insides of characters' heads long before Inside Out. 8:27 - I think that Syndrome's reference to Kronos is less about being the father of gods, and more about the fact that Kronos was a Titan, one of the forerunners of the gods, and also that Kronos attempted to defeat the gods (by eating them, apparently... the myth is weird). Syndrome is like Kronos because he works to defeat the nearest things to gods that are around him, the supers. 10:31 - I think it's worth pointing out that when the people at Pixar were making this movie, they deliberately gave the characters powers that were reflective of their personalities and roles within their families. (i.e., Mr. Incredible is strong, because fathers are usually seen as strong; Elastigirl is stretchy, because mothers are often pulled in a lot of directions, and need to be adaptable - flexible - to almost anything; Violet can become invisible, because teenagers often want to hide, and she can create force fields, because teenagers often want to push people away; etc.) When Helen protects her children like that, that seems to be the moment when she harmonizes being Elastigirl and being a mother. She is saving people, the way she did as a superhero, but that way that she wraps around her children to protect them is one of the most motherly actions possible. I think this is the moment where she realizes that her past life and her present life aren't mutually exclusive, and that she needs to be both a superhero and a mom (which, let's be honest, is the real superhero job in real life). 14:09 - You could place that exact dialogue into a scene of a wife about to give birth, and it would be totally appropriate. (Of course, as some people have joked, Elastigirl probably had a relatively easy time with childbirth. For obvious reasons.)
@@Y20XTongvaLand She should have an easy time if we compare to others because of her Power. The pains come partly by the fact that a baby is bigger than... You know what I Mean. Also, I'm french, Tired and not sure about the English term.... But since Elastigirl is.... Elastic, yeah, her own body could "distord" to let the baby "out" without having to actually Push. But let's be honest, there's a lot of factor for Pain in a Childbirth, and even if an Elastic body could solve some, some other would still cause trouble. I guess... I'm like the worst person to ask about it....
It's suprisng how much that despite this movie coming out in 2004, the animation still really holds up! Seriously, it's been over eighteen years, that's impressive!
Just realized how much I loved Incredibles, I'm a second year university student studying CGI and without even realizing it, films like the incredibles are exactly what shaped my drive and direction in life.
I'm surprised that you did not win the moment in the jungle where violet jumped in front of dash blocking the bullets with her force field, the look on her face is surprised because she didnt expect to use a force field meaning she was prepared to die protecting dash which is a self sacrifice win if ive ever seen one.
I don't think Elasti-Girl can just shape her true form like that. I'm guessing her powers are like flexing a muscle or sucking in your gut. You can only do it for so long at a time without a rest.
John Smith That's true. Right after Helen, Violet, and Dash are shot out of the sky, Helen shapes her body into a zodiac-style boat using Dash as the motor. When they get to shore, both she AND Dash are completely exhausted despite Dash doing the kicking.
Something that I noticed: In the KRONOS scene, it says that Frozone's location is found. It's possible that Syndrome saw the footage from the jewelry store of Frozone freezing the cop and tracked him.
No, Mirage did. Remember she was watching and when she sees Mr. Incredible burst through the wall, she says she wants to "switch targets". Meaning they were ALREADY tracking Frozone. He was their next target. They were not initially stalking Bob. Had Bob not busted through the wall in Mirage's presence, Frozone would be dead. Kind of a chilling (no pun intended) thought.
def one of the best Pixar ever made!! the soundtrack, the action, story-telling, and dialogue, animation, directing, everything!! the actors voicing the characters do a BRILLIANT job really bringing these characters to life!! ALL of it in this movie is a WIN!! ONE OF MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE MOVIES!!
Something I have heard numerous comment on are the in-house sprinkler system that went off. During the 60's and early 70's some new subdivisions advertised houses with sprinkler systems. Until they realized that some burned pop-corn would set them off so the insurance companies and cities started banning them. I remember the commercials and my parents talking about how stupid an idea it was... Which I proved by burning my parents anniversary surprise dinner. No one told me that 350 x 2 didn't cook the food twice as fast. ;-D
4:45 In the 14 years that this film has been around, I did not notice that Mr.Incredible was humming his own theme song. I always thought that he was humming to some sort of random tune!!
I really love that Violet subverted our expectations on the plane force field scene. She's a teen who doesn't have full control over her powers, because she's been forced to hide them for all her life, and is terrified for her and her family's well being. She's not going to be confident enough in her skills at that moment to be able to sustain a force field, let alone make one big enough to cover an entire plane or an area bigger than she's done before (as we can see in the dinner scene is not much bigger than Dash). It'd be very unreasonable for us to expect her to be able to do it. It'd be very unrealistic for her to be able to do it. She's a kid in dire action that she's never faced or had the fear of facing before. A very large round of applause to the crew who put that scene in the way it was. It's incredibly realistic reactions, even in a very unrealistic situation. A quick edit: I remembered the dinner scene wrong, the force field was a decent size, but it still stands that it's smaller than a plane and in a definitely less stressful situation.
12:45 What about when violet jumps in front of dash in the jungle scene when he’s about to get shot? When dash asks something along the lines of “how are you doing that?” Violet responds with “I don’t know!” Now that seems to me like violet didn’t intend to make the force field in the first place. She was planning to take the bullet for dash.
Can't believe you didn't add more wins for the elastic girl scene where she gets stuck between doors and eventually beat up the guards. Even CinemaSins removed a couple sins for that scene.(11:15)
19:36 for anyone that didn't notice the "car from cars" there's a blue 1953 Hudson Hornet on the left hand side of the screen... Otherwise known as Doc' Hudson
I watched toy story yesterday and also realised this I'm disappointed it took me this long considering those two movies were .y favouritrs when I was younger
"Everyone's special, Dash."
"Which is another way of saying no one is."
I'm honestly surprised this didn't get a win for the foreshadowing of Syndrome's line "And when everyone's super, no one will be"
Wow, never thought of it that way
@@matthewbartlett3442 *incredible
while we are at it: can we talk about how similar dash and syndrome look when they put on their smile
Unique
Never thought of this! Very clever!
when dash realizes he can run on water, and how the music stops to let you hear it it's my favorite scene in the ENTIRE MOVIE
The world won on that scene. Nothing like watching one of animations most loveable weasels run on water like he's Christ.
Missed Win: Syndrome's line acknowledging with delight that he is in the presence of a Super family. "And got BE-ZEEEH!" Cracks me up every time.
The best scene is the Kronos reveal
And I especially love his little laugh when he realizes!
@@detectivenora Yeah, that was iconic.
You should've mentioned that when Violet jumps in front of Dash with the shield to stop the bullets, she wasn't EXPECTING to create the shield! She was ready to take the shots for her little brother!
Self Sacrifice! *ding*
I think she was trying to make a shield, but she didn't expect the result to be that hamster ball thing.
@@monicalukomski8884 Potential self sacrifice
Ya are a good
@@dbseamz she was definitely trying to make a shield, but she struggled on the plane and in the cave, so she had no guarantee it would work but was still diving for him anyway.
Something I noticed about Edna when I rewatched the movie recently:
When she was bringing up examples for the "No capes!" argument she knew not only who and how, but also the exact date that the death occurred. She designed all of those suits, so she definitely feels responsible for all of those deaths.
She may say that she doesn't focus on the past, that it distracts from the now, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have her own demons.
Especially Stratogales death since she was just a teenager
She isn't in the movie for very long but she's such a well rounded character
She doesn't cling onto the past nor on the feeling of guilt, but she learns from it and moves on, that's the important part.
I think she might have made syndromes costume
Meanwhile, MatPat be like "THIS BITCH IS A GENOCIDAL MASTERMIND!!!"
Fun fact: the scene with Bob and Helen argue originally didn't have Helen stretching taller. Pixar employees complained that it made Bob look like he was bullying her, so Brad Bird made the change of Helen stretching to make them more equal and made it look like it was a more regular couple fight (or as regular as a couple fighting about what they shouldn't be doing with their superhero powers can be).
Brad bird and his 1000 iq subtle details. Any other film director wouldnt have thought of that and just cut the scene.
Cyrxn If you think that’s impressive, I’ve got some thrilling education for you about how weather works.
Cyrxn WOW, that got aggressive. By whose metric is a complaint “fear of being honest?”
Cyrxn
Ah yes. How dare people who provide media for children are worried about a scene being misinterpreted as abusive.
@@nyabis8044 families argue like that, all the time, saying that that scene is abuse is far from it, in fact that's one of the nicest arguments among families, and you guys are bullying someone elses ideals to feel superior, think about that for a second.
I love the fact that when Elastigirl and co are about to get shot down, she uses real airplane radio terminology. Identifies the plane, "transmitting in the blind" means pretty much "To whoever can hear this".
Holly Hunter actually went to the trouble of learning pilot lingo just so she could do that.
@@videohistory722 now THATS dedication to a role
No wonder why that scene is possibly the Most tense in the whole film! Great scene
I especially love the desperatation in what she says, as most of it is her essentially saying "I'm friendly, don't shoot" even though she must know that the other party knows she isn't a friendly, so it's fruitless right? But if she can get them to doubt that, to double check friend or for, to delay the missiles hitting for even a second, that is another second she has bought for her kids. The desperation of trying something so unlikely to do anything simply because there is nothing else she can do, and Hunter plays it perfectly.
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Transmitting on Guard too-121.5 megahertz is the standard international civil aviation distress radio frequency. It's called Guard because you're technically supposed to be on guard if you're listening to it.
Source: pilot with 300 hours
Dash - run
Violet - Ultra Violet- Invisible
Jack Jack - Jack of All Trades
took 13 years for me to realize their names coincided with their powers
I get the other two but... Dash? I feel like that one was fairly easy lol
bob.
helen.
It took me 14 XD
Oh man, I always got the first two, but I missed "jack of all trades" until now.
@@tympsfruitgummy Best I can think of for Bob is the fact his name is Robert Parr so it might be a pun on "above par." But I got nothing for Helen.
Another thing that was mentioned in the directors commentary: the first shot with the interviews with each hero describing themselves, was ultimately wrong. Frozone saw himself as a ladies man and scoffed at settling down, but he did eventually. Mr.Incredible said he would love to settle down, but he had a hard time adjusting, and ElastiGirl said she was a strong woman who didn't think she would ever settle down, but she fit right in her family and was happy settling down.
True
And you have 777 likes with no comments
Can’t believe I’ve never noticed that, that’s what I love about this channel and its comments
i think thats logical. nobody thinks hes/she is a settle-down type but ultimately thats everybodys goal
@@anjafrohlich1170 No?
I would have also added a win for the trooper knowing to throw sand in the water to find violet. Finally we get underlings that arnt complete idiots
I didn't think much of it when I was a kid, but I went to see a double feature of the incredibles 1 and 2 last Wednesday and when he did that I thought "wow a random guard who is actually smart"
The henchmen in this film are actually very competent. The way they fight makes them seem like trained professionals.
Megashark 101 that's a win on itself and why I love this movie. These arnt saterday morning cartoon henchmen who always miss and trip over thier own feet. These guys are a real threat and are realistic. You wouldn't hire a henchman if he was a clumsy loser, ud hire someone smart, capable on thier own and in groups, and great at thinking things out, not to mention able to defend themselves and thier leader. One of the few times u see that in movies
Hey, good point!
But they do fly their spinny speeders into stuff and explode, so there is that...
I was surprised that whole scene where Bob is so concerned over his family when Elastigirl says "There are children aboard this plane!" and the horrifyingly real emotion is spread across both Bob and Mirage's face. That scene is arguably the most intense and feeling part throughout the movie, as it show cased just how dire the situation really was. Even when I was a kid, I understood how scary and intense that scene was. I think we can all agree that this entire movie was the epitome of our childhood.
I'm not sure I understand. How is it the epitome of our childhood?
@@marydidyouknow5826 because it was one of the best animated movies of the early 2000s.
@@scottwilliams846 *of all time.
Yeah, I had to analyse that scene for media studies, it’s pretty interesting.
I think that's also when mirage first realized exactly what she was doing. Yes, she always looked a bit guilty, but she only really started rebelling after that event
Edna designed suits for 'gods.' Gods as in the supers. Syndrome's password is Kronos, the devourer of gods.
dam
And of course, Kronos was eventually defeated by the gods.
@@theregalproletariat spilled
You remind me of the sleep deprived Sheldon meme
I hate you...
I love you, but I hate you
“There are children aboard” will never NOT give me chills. This was amazing adult movie that just so happened to appeal to kids. I love this movie, man.
There was a cut where Syndrome had both the parents trapped in the home and Jack Jack starts crying in another room, Syndrome just grins and starts walking in that direction with the parents unable to do anything but watch. It was storyboarded and voice acted, but they decided to leave it out of the film.
As a parent to a 5 month old, that would be my absolute worst nightmare.
And the way Bob screams out NO! after he hears that line over the radio. It hurts
@@bellyjelly0812 it’s so painful and nerve-wracking. That whole sequence is so mature.
Even though we see Helen and the kids survive the missile attack, seeing Bob's face contort into rage and him being on the verge of crushing Mirage was absolutely terrifying. I remember breathing a sigh of relief when he decided to let her go.
@@himaro101 wasn’t it violet bc the baby was invisible?
9:22 - Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. If anything, Jack-Jack Attack proved that she _absolutely could_ handle anything even a super-baby could dish out. Sure, it did a number on her nerves and possibly sanity, but Kari stayed awake overnight well into the next day, improvising countermeasures on the fly to an 'exploding baby' who was constantly surprising her with new superpowers. Seriously, go take a close look at her last scene with Jack-Jack; among other things, she's sitting there supervising him with a butterfly net, a mirror (which she whips out with split-second reflexes while struggling with exhaustion), a fire extinguisher, a chainsaw, and _a grappling hook with rope_ all at arm's reach. And this was after trying and failing to secure him by tethering him to one of Mr. Incredible's weights! Carrie-with-a-K-instead-of-a-C-and-an-'ah'-instead-of-an-'eh'-and-only-one-R-and-an-I-instead-of-an-I-E deserves a purple heart, or whatever the babysitting equivalent is.
I never noticed the chainsaw... I'll have to watch it again.
Why doesn’t this comment have more likes?!
I was thinking the same thing!
Thats immediately what I thought. The fact that she learned and got better at deflecting Jack Jack's powers
Seriously, scrolled waaay down than I expected to see this. She really delivered on the words that she could handle everything Jack Jack could throw at her. Everything was fine till Syndrome arrived.
Missed Win:
When Syndrome was looking back at Mr Incredible telling him to “fly home”, he only saw Mr Incredible instead of both him and Bomb Voyage. Meaning that’s entirely what he focused on and putting more emphasis on how hard those words crushed him.
Also Mr. Incredible never said "Go home Buddy, I work alone." when it first happened. Bob was telling Buddy it was DANGEROUS. It was like Buddy thought Mr. Incredible wanted to glory for HIMSELF (which is what Syndrome wanted), instead of just being concerned a literal child is around a guy trying to blow up a building and would kill him.
Rather than the fact that Buddy almost got exploded by Bomb Voyage, allowing the latter to escape. Bob was right to not let Buddy tag along. He would probably have gotten himself killed.
@TheMusicInMe43 Technically, the first time he says it, he says, "Go home, Buddy. Now." The second time he does, he says, "Fly home, Buddy. I work alone." When he says it the second time at the beginning of the movie, he's holding Bomb Voyage. Later, when we see it from Syndrome's perspective, Mr. Incredible is just looking straight down at Buddy.
Also another Easter Egg is "India Golf Niner Niner" or "IG99" is linked to "Iron Giant" another Brad Bird animated film made in 1999.
That one is an underrated classic
OH MY GOD I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT INDIA GOLF NINER NINE MEANT IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!!😀
isn't IG-99 also the name of an assassin bounty hunter droid from Star Wars
@@owenchau4719 close, it's IG-88
@@trevorhollis1718 ah sorry i was referring to a non-canon version
Violet was just as confused as Dash when she made that huge force-field, so she probably intended to take the bullet for Dash. Damn.
“I can totally handle anything this baby can dish out” “They actually made a short film to disprove exactly that”
Actually, that short proves the opposite, she CAN handle is, and does so wonderfully, but at the cost of her sanity and the house. She’s an amazing babysitter all things considered. I mean, she even extinguished Jack-Jack in the tub despite looking at the toilet first, making the right decision even while being stressed out while holding a flaming baby. Honestly the worst thing she did was give Jack-Jack to Syndrome but honestly by then she was insane.
agreed and even the she thought syndrome was there to help
And she probably thought it was the replacement sitter she asked for earlier.
I've always loved the fact that Elastigirl isn't just a former hero. She's a pilot (and I guess all-around stunt driver in the sequel) but it's this whole other part of her life that isn't explicitly connected to the hero theme - just fleshing her out as a character with interests. There are a ton of ways she could have gotten herself to that island, but it's fun seeing her use a skill she clearly was super involved with at one point. Also a nice contrast to her husband, who feels like a nobody without being a hero, while she has "grounded" interests that don't rely on having powers.
It also is a great setup for incredibles 2 where bob has to make himself better in a non-saving people field.
And I think pretty clearly a figther pilot, whether in the military or more likely, fancy super plane she borrowed from her buddy. I know there's breakdowns on youtube of what each phrase she says means in the context of aviation, or usually combat aviation.
On a recent rewatch, Bob has a lot of these skills, too. I always remembered him as just being "super strength" but across the film we see him being clever, technologically proficient (his Bond car and the computer stuff he does on the island), surprisingly acrobatic, precise (both catching the suicide jumper and hitting a guard with a rock from a long distance) and quickly able to make plans on the spot.
I'm due to rewatch Incredibles 2, which if I recall correctly leaned more on Elastigirl's non-super abilities, but watching this movie with a new eye it looked like Bob AND Helen had a wide variety of skills outside their powers.
Missed Win: Syndrome's line acknowledging with delight that he is in the presence of a Super family. "And got BE-ZEEEH!" Cracks me up every time.
Ikr
"Elastigirl? You married Elastigirl? AND GOT BEEZEEEHHH!! It's a whole FAMILY of supers I really can't believe this..."
Didn't get this the first time I watched cus I was 8, I get it now though.
"o-hooo this is justooguud!!"
💯😩💀💀
Apparently Syndrome has a cut line in this exchange where he exclaims “I didn’t know they let you guys breed!”. Implying that some sort of eugenics program was imposed on the supers of the world (or the US at least) to prevent more supers from being created.
something i always appreciated was edna’s expression at their wedding: like it would have been perfectly in character for them to have her see the incredibles as no more than moving mannequins for her designs, but she genuinely loves bob and helen and they love her. it’s a great way of humanizing her as a larger than life diva, but also a normal human lady with normal human joys, like watching your friends on their special day
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Missed Win #2: The Incredibles logo shared by the family is a mix of the "i" in Mr. Incredible's original logo and the oval shape of Elastigirl's. Niiice.
that's a win
im not gonna like because you have 444 likes, but i like it ;)
@@mauabcdefg8038 it has 888 now
We all knew that
@@finnyboiyt9315 tell that to my 1000 likes
One thing you missed was how Violet got knocked out by the machine because it broke her force field. This actually shows that while some powers are just physical attributes, like Dash's ability to be quick and Elastigirl's ability to stretch, some people have powers that are mental attributes. I've never seen something like Violet's powers given that much depth before.
Like Raven from Teen Titans.
Stranger Things
it bonks her on the head
Right I noticed that too. The explosion debris that hit her force field in the scene after Syndrome got pulled into the engine didn't destroy it. And that came from the sky, while the machile lifted a couple feet from the ground before it came crashing down to burst her force field. The fear on Violet's face proves that even if the machine wasn't high enough to create the velocity it'd need to burst the force field, Violet has to have the confidence to strengthen the force field and keep it intact. I'm sorry if that's too much to take in.
Even though she's a teenager, Violet might be stronger than her dad. She got knocked out by the full weight of the Omnidroid, the one robot that's purposefully designed to kill a seasoned Superhero like Bob, and was back on her feet in 9 seconds!
Ok, can we give, like, 50 wins to the "Where's my Super-Suit" gag? Nothing in Sam Jackson's, Pixar's ,or Disney's careers can top that one skit.
Um I am tired of these mother fucking snakes on this mother fucking plane. And the avengers it started with an idea monologue they used in the movie and then the promo for infinity war several ones from pulp fiction etc. He has way more extremely popular quotes some even more popular than this movies ones.
I put that away
In latin spanish it sounds even better :v
TheSoullessOne my older brother has a frozone backpack that he proudly wears to school (he’s in high school by the way)
Fun fact: Syndrome was inspired by Batman and Robin Brad thought to himself "What if Robin was rejected by Batman and felt bitter about it?"
That makes so much sense lmao
So, kinda in the same vein as Jason Todd?
To be fair, Batman came in and decided HE wanted ROBIN. Like the point 100% stands and Syndrome is still a creepy stalker but Batman came to Robin.
@@LizLuvsCupcakes That actually makes it work better. Incrediboy figured that because of who he was, Mr Incredible would just HAVE to take him in, almost making it seem like it was his idea. In Syndrome's arrogance he really thought that would happen.
@@traviscummings9178I’d argue more like a twisted Tim Drake. Jason Todd’s issues revolve more around Bruce’s conflicting obligations as Batman and a father (the father would kill the Joker for his son, but Batman cannot kill, plus the additional ideological differences around handling crime.) Not to mention Jason Todd never inserted himself into Bruce’s life, he was actively taken in and allowed to be Robin but he overall was happy to be Bruce’s son, Robin or no Robin. Tim Drake meanwhile inserted himself into the role of Robin for admittedly selfless reasons since Batman was spiralling after Jason’s death and needed a partner, and Dick had already refused to return to the role. But Batman did explicitly reject Tim until Tim saved Batman from Two-face.
when i went to see incredibles 2 some dude walked into the theatre and yelled “HONEEYY, WHERE’S MY SUPER SUIT?” and a some laughed but i heard a few “whaaat?” behind me.
Perfect
WHERE, IS, MY SUPER SUIT!
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 I UH PUT IT AWAY!
@@ABAgamer_ WHERE?!?
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW?!
"I mean the guy HAS ME ON A PLATTER and he won't SHUT UP!" I love Frozone 😂🤣
"Where. Is. My. Super. SUIT?!"
@@HaydrogenBomb "greater good I am yo wife I'm the greatest good your ever gonna get"
@@HaydrogenBombWHAT???
As a kid, I used to think that the guy who jumped from the building was like doing a stunt and he was gonna be caught at the bottom or something but Mr Incredible ruined it for him....
And it was only when I watched video did I realise why he jumped off the building
That is _exactly_ what I thought the scene was about too. The spotlight, the man's annoyance at Mr. Incredible, the crowd below... I actually didn't realize he was committing suicide until I watched the CinemaSins EWW Incredibles video because my mind distorted the clip to fit its little five-year-old beliefs and knowledge and even when I was older that was still how I perceived the scene.
@@nadiamozerhusain4259 omg...I just now found that out😱😱😱
Damn, same😱😱😱 So when he ruined his life, he actually ruined his death😬
When I first watched the film, when I heard that woman say “he’s gonna jump”, I thought he was trying escape from something, like the bank robbery. Idk why I thought this, but it was a surprise to find out the truth nonetheless.
Mandela effect
I love that you added several wins for Dash’s little giggle because my dad LOVES that. He always points out the same thing you did: he’s just a kid and that’s exactly how a kid would react.
I like the fact that the interviews at the beginning have the characters stating one thing, but it turns out that they actually want something different. Elastigirl says she has no interest in settling down and quitting being a hero, but she's the one who's quite comfortable being a stay-at-home mom later. Mr. Incredible says he'd love it if he didn't always have to save people, but when faced with the forced inactivity of retirement, he can't cope. Frozone is more interested in the superhero-side of people, but later he's settled down with a non-superhero wife (granted this only implied, but it seems a valid assumption).
It's an interesting contrast that shows how the characters do or don't mature, and also how their desires change when faced with different circumstances.
This is a good one!
I actually might have to disagree with the part about Mr. Incredible. I think it’s possible that he just didn’t want to have to save people all the time. You know, be allowed to take the occasional break from heroing. Not that he wanted to completely stop saving people.
2:33 Edna sits next to Gazerbeam (who doesn't wear a cape) and the ones who wear capes are sitting behind her
Omgggg
Damn
The scene with Dash cornered in the tunnel is SO well written. They introduce a new ability (i.e. running on water), incorporate it into a longer scene so that you sort of forget about it, and then REMOVE the ability in a way that actually solves the problem it created. It's obvious in retrospect, but no one involved in the scene expects it at all, and why should they? In the heat of the fight, everything is behaving the same way it does on land, so your brain sort of removes the water from the equation until it's suddenly of vital importance again.
Unfortunate issue that it relies more on cartoon physics by that point, since Dash would have almost certainly sank when he had to stop and turn around.
@@Domura Yep. And it's doubly irritating because it would have worked just as well the realistic way. He'd just go under instead of turning, and then boom.
Domura I mean He sinks a bit more each time he turns because he didn’t lose his momentum enough to sink fully
I think just standing on water is its own power or something
Actually, if you think about it, one of the reasons is because the water has actually a good amount of density, along with the fact that Dash's weight isn't felt when running at such a high speed. After he stops running on the water, then his weight immediately pulls him down.
9:55 Holly Hunter went through an actual pilot's course to learn what those terms mean so she knew what to accentuate most when calling out.
The scene with Helen flying the jet and having to switch back and forth from being a pilot to being a mother is because the scene was originally written with Helen's friend Snug (the one she was speaking to on the phone) doing the actual flying. The scene was even drawn out in animatic so you can see it on the extras, but it was re-written to have Helen flying because the scene concludes with Snug's heavily implied death. Helen would have been in the main cabin with her kids, and when the missiles hit she wouldn't have been able to extend herself over him as well. This was thought to be just a liiiiiiiiiiittle too dark, so instead it was changed to remove Snug from the scenario altogether.
It also makes it more badass that Helen's actress made damn sure to learn all that pilot lingo to get that scene done right. And holy cow, did she ever.
AND it gives Helen even more empowerment for knowing all this, being so capable.
Rosie Johnson yeah. It gives more depth to Hellen as a person. Rather than just “super mom” it builds out the idea that before settling down for the kids she had a fully developed normal life with her own quirks and tells that any super has.
Missed Win #1: the super clever dramatic irony in the opening interviews, setting up the three adult heroes’ personalities in a way that’s about to get subverted- Bob just wants a break from hero work while Helen feels like she could do it forever and Lucious just wants to do anything but settle down.
The Ponderer Missed win 2: elastithicc
The Ponderer Interesting
Good on you for noticing that! God bless
Lucius
The Ponderer Another interesting thing about Lucius is that he spends time talking about Having relationships with Super-heroines in the interview but ends up marrying a normal Woman
“YOU DIDN’T SAVE MY LIFE YOU RUINED MY DEATH!!”
Skittles & Phinninix idky but that's one of my favorite lines🤦🏾♀️
*lawyer pushes Mr. Incredible away* "My client has no further comment at this time..."
Actually, I think he's saying "You ruined my debt"
As in, he was in debt and his neck injury is making it much much worse. Idk, you might end up being right, Skittles & Phinninix *shrugs*
And yet he was flailing while he was falling as if to immediately regret his jump.
I think he got wooed by a slimeball, opportunistic lawyer who hounded him and convinced him to sue Mr. Incredible.
@@acedelta12 Well, that too. I mean if this took place in America, the medical bills alone would make you want to jump off a building again.
Holly Hunter's performance in this is phenomenal. Helen is a strong character but the emotion behind lines like "There are children aboard" and the adrenaline-fuelled "Bob, throw me!!!" give me all the feels.
I can’t believe you skipped over Craig Nelson’s “NO!” When Mr. Incredible found out his kids were aboard the plane. Shit gives me chills every time. So believable.
Something about not winning bad things? Even if they were spectacularly executed.
I love the scene were Helen desperately announces that there are children on board while rockets are closing in and how it horrifies the blond chick. Dont know why, but that kind of reaction brings tears to my eyes.
Yeah, that's one her "humanizing" moments, ya know? So when she turns against Syndrome at the end, it feels like a genuine moment that's earned, not just tacked on.
Yeah, I need to watch this again, then go watch #2, so much goodness in these movies.
Me too, the voice-acting was spot on
and then Mr Incredible’s reaction to the fact that his children are on a plane about to explode. Great scene for an great movie
Yeah, I always got the feeling with her that she never really was in it to kill superheroes, and the supers they were murdering weren't "real" people to her.
It was that moment of realizing kids were about to be killed that made it suddenly "real" to her. And makes her heel-face turn more realistic.
I agree, but too that point: Why was she in on it? I'm assuming Syndrome was paying her pretty handsomely, or maybe she was one of his major contributors finance wise and decided to get really involved? Who knows, it's never discussed.
So here's a missed win, Holly Hunter actually made the effort to learn the pilot lingo for the plane scene. Just adds to the realism in that scene.
John Tucker the lingo science was one of my favs
India Golfer Niner Niner
IG99
Iron Giant 1999
Wasn't that another film of Brad Bird's? 😉
Do you mean she learnt what it actually means ? Because if you mean that she just learned the script, than ... well ... that's kinda her job.
@@shadowcat1606 She actually studied what all of that meant. Also she made a few changes to the original script to make it more realistic
Wasn't the backstory for Helen that she was a pilot in WW2? I liked that in the details of the film you could see that Bob, Helen, and Lucius had been in the service. When Syndrome talked about his development of weapons for countries, that brought up the Cold War reality of the early 1960s.
My favourite shot ever in this film is at 13:06, just that incredibly iconic standing position with those confident grins on their faces really just makes it awesome that they're all fighting together again as a family. Even Violet seems super confident
ikr it’s so iconic and satisfying to watch
And with the theme kicking in at that exact moment, goosebumps man
I love how they made Mr. Incredible show emotion and still be strong, he admits when he’s scared which not much hero’s do
It reminds of a quote from an interview.
(Paraprhased) "It's not about a family of _supers._ Its about a _family_ that happens to be supers"
When they went to talk to Dash’s principal, Jack Jack wasn’t with them. When they go back to the car, Jack Jack is there. They left Jack Jack, an infant, alone in the car.
Ha! Way worse than the front facing car seat. Fortunately, we know he can't overheat. Sheesh, dark stuff. Apparently, Brad Bird kept coming up with powers for Jack-Jack that would be a response to scary things that injure babies all the time. Like swallowing pills, or falling into the fireplace or down the stairs. They decided against anything that could be imitated.
CinemaWins damn
Oh No it was the 60’s
Well all tho he’s an infant he has more than enough super powers to accidentally kill the person trying to kidnap him
CinemaWins I... didn’t know that. That’s really interesting!
Edna probably hates capes because all those superheroes she list that died by capes were probably designed by her, and she feels guilt knowing her designs caused their deaths, that's why in the scene where mister incredible says he wants a cape and she snaps at him, it shows a close up of her face looking ferious as she starts taking notes again. She doesn't want Mr. Incredible to be another dead superheroe because of her.
w o a h
damn
The one sucked into the engine was a teenager
Demonic Rico My goodness
I do not know where i picked this up, but there is also a theory that that's exactly the reason why she gave Syndrome a cape (provided she actually designed Syndrome's costume, which is just a theory in and of itselft, albeit a reasonable one i think).
Oh man @18:22 when Syndrome theatrically says "And just when all hope is lost." he throws away the remote he's holding. That is some next level foreshadowing.
Omg that is brilliant
Missed win: The way Elastigirl stretches out her hands at 14:58 to brace Jack Jack's impact. Split-second detail to make it believable that a baby would survive that.
Also Violet is a Visible Color and a play on Her powers If she's Invisible wouldn't she go Ultraviolet??
Mark Ciccolella yes the kids names hint at their powers - dash, violet, as you pointed out, and Jack jack of all trades
moshe s and Syndrome is kind of a Pyscho because of what Mr. Incredible did to him as a kid that his Machinations are a Symptom of rejection. Mental health.
Siera Williams umm who said she's a Vampire.
This is the best comment ever
Siera Williams oh yeah. I remember that movie wasn't trying to make that reference.
Missed win:
In a commentary, Brad Bird talked about how Holly Hunter insisted on learning the lingo Helen used when the plane they used to rescue Bob was being chased by missiles which gives us a glimpse of Helen's military flight training.
- VFR on top means she is flying in the regime of Visual Flight Rules on top of a cloud cover.
- Her request for the "vectors to the initial" means she's requesting directions for landing on Nomanisan.
- "Buddy-spiked" is a US military term which means an anti-aircraft radar has locked on (my aircraft), please do not shoot.
- "Transmitting on the blind guard" is a call to (any) emergency frequency which has not yet been established.
- Angels 10 altitude call is a military term meaning 10 thousand feet. Civilian flights use flight levels.
- "Abort" is also a military code/directive meaning "stop the attack/mission
- Also, Helen's call sign, India Golf Niner Niner is IG99 in the NATO phonetic alphabet. "IG" is a nod to Iron Giant also directed by Brad Bird, which was released on 1999.
Good one! Going the extra mile. :)
Excellent post, although I think everyone knows what "abort" means. ;)
Alright I'm stupid xD i didn't know Helen was in the military. I thought her knowing plane lingo and the picture of her and that one guy was just showing she had a friend that owed planes and she used to learn from him. Like a plane, the whole military thing went right over my head
In the special features they reveal that originally the pilot was going to be an old acquaintance of Helen's, the guy you see in the picture frame when she calls in the favour to get the plane, and he wasn't going to survive the explosion when she rescues the kids. That's why she looks down at the sinking fuselage after they land in the way she does.
They changed the scene and Holly Hunter was called back to do the new lines, which the OP so very kindly explained.
14 years and I’m still learning new things about this movie
I could show you everything great about 'The Incredibles'
*Proceeds to play entire movie*
The fact that Sins and Wins both, for lack of better words, "won" the Dash on water scene just speaks to how amazing it is. Jeremy literally just lol'ed as he removed sins. LMAO
Ya Boy Blue you say Jeremy like you know him don't do that it's corny.
Ya Boy Blue even tho you're my boy blue
Gabriel Munos Do you even know what corny means? It means stereotypical.
Megashark 101 corny response
I frikin love that scene!!!
I love all the little details in this movie:
-The way the hair frizzes and is sometimes out of place.
-The little human movements and interactions that help define the character.
-The blades on the flying machines that are most likely meant for intimidation and cutting through the thick jungle.
-Dash's line in which he counteracts Helen's line saying how everyone is special and then having that foreshadow Syndrome's plan to make everyone 'special' so no one is.
-Also the fact that, Bob, the big strong one isn't a complete idiot. He is just easily distracted, but he is also clever and quick-thinking.
One thing I like about the flying saucer things is that the blades serve so many purposes. They seem to be it's main propulsion and steering mechanism, yet they also, as you said, are used to cut through the jungle they were designed to be used in, and also serve as an effective weapon. They're just really cool, overall.
the airplane scene gets me EVERY TIME. the way helen immediately enters business mode, the rapid cuts between helen and the kids’ panic and bob’s reactions in real time, *”there are children aboard”* _”no!”_ as it’s own entity, the way bob’s immediate reaction is anger but then he slumps and gives up once syndrome calls his bluff…. it makes you feel everything the characters are feeling and i’ve never made it through the entire sequence without crying
Brad Bird ended up voicing Edna Mode because he kept showing other voice actors what he wanted from her voice, until one person told him basically, "You've got this, why are you trying to hire me?"
That's a bit of movie trivia that amuses and pleases me. Thanks!
I read that as Big Bird. And was really confused
Whoever is the person that said that, I want to give a goddamn medal to. Giving up a potential role to the guy trying to hire you so it'd be good for the art? Who would ever be that generous?
@@UltimaKeyMaster That person who said that was Lily Tomlin.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Probably someone who both knows when to put their pride aside and gives a shit about how the movie is going to turn out.
You forgot to mention how Vi not knowing how she was using her force field meant she was willing to take a bullet for Dash.
In terms of sibling rivalries, there's Bart and Lisa, then there's Violet and Dash
The amount of actual film making talent on display in this film is staggering. It is animated like a real film is shot. Same composition many times, angles, use of camera, sound, etc. This took typical animated films and elevated it to actual cinema. Plus, because it is animated, you get to do crazy things you can't in a real movie, like falling to the tree with Bob, or the chase with Dash, etc. But because of how real the rest of it has felt, EVERYTHING feels real. And thanks for putting into words what I've always been unable to about the scene in the plane with Helen and the kids. That moment she switches to Elastigirl and you feel the terror. Other Pixar films have had intense moments etc, but up to this one, I can't think of any that put its characters into such intense, real, danger.
The best part is that the powers are belivable without being toned down, like in the MCU where they make the characters weaker from how they are in the comics.
One extra win due to Bob's reflexes being so quick, I didn't even notice Helen was trying to take them both out in one shot at 11:40 .
Holy cow, that's.... those folks at Pixar have got some serious pride in their work
@@DrawnToStrifeUnofficial Oh, definitely. That's so cool to me that not many people noticed.
Missed win to me anyway. When Ellen is flying the plane with children onboard and the missiles are fired and she makes it apparent that there are children on the plane. Mirage can bee seen with a look on her face debating whether or not to disarm the missiles because there are children on the plane. You can see her fighting with helping syndrome defeat Mr. Incredible's apparent ally or not killing children. Absolutely amazing animation from the animators. Sorry this was so long. 😀
The more I think about it Edna is probably one of the biggest heroes in this universe, not only does she make the iconic suits, but she takes into account the super's powers and in some cases she even uses her suits to improve the hero's powers. Like when she made Elastigirl's suit indestructible so she could save herself and her kids when those missiles hit them. She also pointed out the big problem with capes, an idea/criticism that I was actually introduced to by that scene. She really is one of the best unsung heroes.
Hearing elastigirl yelling “abort” frantically hits me so hard EVERY. TIME. And the kids’ voice actors did such a good job. They really sound so terrified.
No extra wins for Syndrome's adult joke of Bob and Helen "getting busy"? XD
I'd give that 69 wins
The prologue sequence is amazing because it hits all the stereotypical “superhero tropes” in a few minutes - saving a cat from a tree, stopping a train, halting a bank robbery, etc. Then the rest of the movie subverts the common expectations of superheroes stories.
This movie is the best
Excuse you, they made a short film about how she totally handled everything Jack-jack threw at her. Yes she was scared out of her mind, but she handled it super well for a non-super.
Grant Baugh Until she handed him to Syndrome.
Tia Williams to be fair, she was exhausted and terrified of this demon baby, and also did question his validity. Would you be thinking completely logically after who knows how long with a pool of seemingly endless powers?
Yeah, she seemed completely crazy when he showed up.
Well the baby was exploding. You ever seen an exploding baby before?
@Tia Williams. In all fairness, she had been making calls about Jack Jack basically stating that the job was becoming too much for her, I think she even stated that Helen would need a more 'special' babysitter to replace her. So for Syndrome to show up, it's not too unreasonable for her to see it as Helen doing just that.
I think one of my favourite scenes from this movie is when Dash runs on water.... What really makes it stand out is that the background music completely cuts as Dash, the viewers and the music was holding their breath because we all were waiting for impact or to drown...... But it never happens and Dash's laugh after realizing that he could run on water was just euphoric. Thank you for giving multiple well deserving wins for that scene alone.
No win for Syndrome's "and got BUSY" line? Since I was a kid that's cracked me up
Give that line 69 wins.
There are AT LEAST two things I love the most from this movie:
1) Elastigirl's journey to and through Nomanisan Island, as she both exercises her powers in awesome ways while also shows the concerns and care of an experienced middle-age mom (we got a lot more Elastigirl in Incredibles 2, so yay for me).
2) Dash's little laugh as he realizes just how INCREDIBLE his power really is. Super speed is one of my favorite superpowers, and Dash enjoys it too.
I totally agree. Elastigirl proves to be awesome in both movies. Being a daughter who looks up to her Mum as a tough and pretty badass woman, watching Elastigirl be professionally sneaky and realistic in protecting her kids by preparing them to be careful with the bad guys and then seeing her more in Incredibles 2 as a full James Bond / MCU kind of hero, using her intelligence and professional superhero-ing to figure out the villain and being a role model for younger heroes, such as Void is so amazing and I love Helen so much and was so glad they made her the sole ‘hero’ of Incredibles 2.
Additionally, I loved how Violet took on her mother in that she was the one leading Dash and using her intelligence to help find their parents (plus Lucius) and stop the boat is awesome and while I looked up to Helen, I related so well with Violet in that her way of ‘superhero-ing’ is genetic or subconsciously learnt from her Mother.
I ALWAYS get goosebumps when Helen shouts in horror in that plane scene. It's just amazing how they done this scene so great.
Dash’s giggle when he discovers that he can run on water is sooo cute to me! It always makes me smile.
When you do Incredibles 2 something I noticed in it was that no one noticed Jack Jack’s powers.
I thought “why is this such a surprise? The babysitter was talking about it and they saw him use them on Syndrome.”
Then I noticed that the babysitter was just freaking out and never specifically said anything about powers, just weird stuff. And with Syndrome they just saw him freaking out and couldn’t see Jack Jack. And when he was dropped he was back to his normal self.
I’m glad they kept that continuity in the sequel.
I disagree, that's one issue I found with The Incredibles 2 continuity. That the 3 months that pass between the Syndrome thing and Underminer had Jack-Jack never once using his powers which had developed during that time? And Kari gave her report to DIcker that Jack-Jack was using powers and this never got reported to the family? Doesn't really make sense
While I agree with both of you, I believe I understand the Jack-Jack issue. In both Incredibles movies (except for the ending of 2), Jack-Jack uses his powers as a result of his MOM not being around. Throughout the movie, he keeps asking for "mama." It's a common thing for babies to lash out after being removed from familiar imprinted people. Mom and the rest of the family left so Jack lashed out slightly and used his powers on the babysitter to cope. He then did the same thing when he was forcibly removed from his mom by Syndrome. In incredibles 2 as soon as Mom is away for days (something he's not used to), he unleashes his powers on Bob and everyone else that's not mom.
As for why he suddenly reveals his powers at the end, my guess is because of Aunt Edna Mode. After that visit, Jack-Jack is semi more intune with the concept of powers and actually didn't use it until he was meant to. ALSO the first time he uses his powers in front of mom is to use telekinesis to SAVE HIS MOM. After that he, used them only to protect his mom. It's still a tad messy but this is simply what I believe. No mom = lashing out/coping with powers, saving mom = lashing out/coping with powers
That Guy with a Movie Camera
That’s so deep thanks for pointing it out
They should've known what "weird stuff" meant in the context of a child of their family.
The scene with the jet is so hard to watch for me when Helen says "There are children aboard!" And Bob just *panics*
Yeah, even as a kid, that scene freaked me out.
You can even see Mirage gasp in surprise that Syndrome would take away a man's family and make him listen to it
woah my heart sped up just from reading that and remembering that scene
The laugh and face Mr Incredible make when the robot cracks his back gets me every time.
I love how the cape creates such a strong thematic separation between the Incredibles and Syndrome. Syndrome wears a cape because it’s iconic, glorious (which it definitely is,) and what superheroes wear. While Bob is a little annoyed by not getting to wear a cape for the superficial reasons listed, he and all the incredibles understand that saving the world is infinitely more important than looking cool, and put their heads down
One win missing:
When Bob is telling his family that he's sorry (while they were all captured), Violet uses her force field powers so effectively to break out of the capturing device!
That scene was really amazing.
and another great use of background-foreground narrative ^^
i actually thought that when atching this.
Dude, I was getting so tired of Cinemasins and their constant nitpicking, and as I grew up I think I was constantly get tired of the trend to complain about things instead of celebrating them, I initially thought the channel would just be a fad. But it's become some of my favorite content on TH-cam. Thank you for celebrating things instead of tearing them down. I truly believe that's one of the mindsets that make life better
Cinemasins wearies me too. If I watched too many of their videos, I'd feel the narrator's cynical voice in the back of my head for the rest of the day. I always Favorited the videos they did where sins got taken away and they genuinely, if grudgingly, admitted something was too awesome for them to dunk on, such as the beginning of their Wall-E video, because I was so desperate for positivity from these sarcastic a-holes (said with affection, but whenever their videos start to get to me, I remember their EWW Cinemasins video where the first thing they say is "We're not reviewers, we're assholes." Completely admitting that often, they're just memeing and not meant to be taken seriously). I'm so glad I found this channel and took a chance on one of Lee's videos, these are some of my favorite things to play in the background and watch when I don't have the time for a full movie.
Yeah. Constructive criticism has merits but so does just enjoying a movie or some kind of media
I think Cinemasins is meant to be a sort of comedic satire, or at least that's how I've seen it described on occasion.
I've watched both channels extensively and when Jeremy covers the same film both ways, he usually comments on the same thing in both at least once.
I believe it's nitpicky for the sake of it, similar to how Matrix is violent to the point of being funny.
Stark: We have a Hulk.
Thanos: I have Infinity Stones.
Batman: I'm Batman.
Parrs: Meet Jack-Jack!
How would Batman be anything but a stain of an ant to any of them?
David Ray then Batman:I'm still batman
Jack-Jack's sneezing is deadly
Well the whole of Jack-Jack is deadly, and adorable!
Violet saying "thanks dad" is probably one of the cutest things I've ever heard
I agree with CinemaWins, but here are some more I would add:
1) During the plane scene, Craig T. Nelson's acting is phenomenal (Call off the missiles I'll do anything!).
2) Syndrome not accepting Mr. Incredible's offer by showing his bitterness towards Mr. Incredible due to the latter rejecting the former as his sidekick years before (Too late! Fifteen years too late!)
3) Got BUSY! (adult joke)
4) Foreshadowing with Helen and Dash mentioning everyone is special (no one is) and Syndrome saying, "...and when everyone is super. No one will be."
This is why MisAnthroPony could do this video even more than CinemaSins could because at least HE would remember to point out these wins! But at least CinemaWins had wins with The Incredibles that are meant to be both comedically and intentionally taken!
How could you not win Syndrome explaining his plan? That moment where he says "And when everyone's super... no one will be." gives me chills even years later. Jason Lee just nailed it and it's such an interesting take on the supervillain plan. No world conquest or stealing riches, just revenge on the superhero society who denied him for his lacks of actual powers.
Clowdono Not to mention that it's a callback to Dash when he was in the car with Helen when she told him everyone's special
SO TRUE.
Are we just going to ignore violet just casually rolling out of the restraints 😂
Violet in theory could've crushed Syndrome 1v1 but that would've really hurt the story.
@@thatrabidpotato8800 if violet were to master her powers, then shed destroy him
😩😩💀💀💀🥰
Having Samuel L Jackson voicing Frozone is one of the best reason Incredibles is one of legendary animated film out there
My friend and I reached this to prepare for the second one, and something I'd never noticed before are the similarities between Syndrome and Dash. There are a few visual similarities, like their freckles and the shape of their hair, although Syndrome's points up and Dash's points back (and is less obvious and dramatic), but what stood out was the repeated line along the lines of "If everyone is special, no one is". Dash has a lot of similar opinions to Syndrome, and his wanting to join the school sports teams is comparable to Bob's rejection of 'Incrediboy'. They're mirrors of each other, but in Dash we see the difference of a loving, supportive family and his eventual inclusion in the track team. They each show what the other could be under different circumstances, and I think this makes Syndrome a more relatable villain.
Wow this was really insightful.
Dashes's laugh when he found out he could run on water will always be my *my favorite scene*
hard same
19:59 they said on the director's commentary (and I think the bonus features as well) that the hand going through the fabric was one of the most hardest shots in the film, taking three months. Three. To make that hand go through the fabric.
Also, people, watch Jack Jack Attack. It plays into the second movie.
Cloth simulation is one of the most frustrating things ever. Even with today's computers. It never turns out the way you wanted, and if you had to do it well by hand, you'd probably die of old age.
Mr. Bump 2.0 and don't even get me started on Violet's hair
A technological nightmare XD
I've just started hair simulation this month and I wanna blow my brains out. I'm happy you understand, lol. I suck at sims.
Mr. Bump 2.0 stay strong, man. You'll get through it, I believe in ya.
At least it's not Rapunzel, amirite
Endercybereye33 Thank you so much :D
rewatching this movie now with a greater appreciation for period pieces makes me feel crazy because when i was little i had NO idea when this was set. not only did i not recognize the design/fashion/architectural choices or the historical implications of *when* it was set, i didn't even care because the story it tells itself is so timeless. but now that i have an actual fascination with this kind of stuff it just makes the movie THAT much cooler
also frankly the fact that it never really says outright "hey this is the 1960s" is REALLY admirable. there's no timestamps in the movie with a clear obvious date, everything about the time period is shown directly. and the fact that not directly stating the exact time of the movie doesn't detract from it is really awesome too
One more Incredible thing ---
The Fantastic Four, X-Men, and other super hero groups ALWAYS behave individually, never as a team. The Incredibles are the first where they combine their powers to do something.
For instance, Violet creates a force field around herself and Dash, so Dash then runs inside of it moving them together and protected. Or, when after they land in the sea, Elastigirl mom shapes herself like a boat, and Dash becomes the motor.
That sort of tool combinations I don't see in other super groups. The Incredibles are really the first Super Team, the others are just Super Groups.
While I understand what you mean, I'd have to respectfully disagree. The X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, and Justice League have plenty of moments of working together and combining their powers.
If you watch the wins counter for The Avengers, “teamwork” gets winned a couple of times. It’s common enough that, like honesty, it’s a standard “win” to the point of being a catch phrase of the CinemaWins show.
It’s always good to see, but it’s not by any means unique.
Except Helen saying "throw me" is an X-Men move where Colosuss throws Wolverine. It's called a fastball special.
Nah, this is wrong. The Fantastic Four are a big inspiration for the Incredibles in the whole 'being a family' department. I'm also pretty sure they must have coordinated powers sometimes, though I can't remember specific examples. The X-Men have a combo that's so famous the name is often used for similar moves: the Fastball Special, where Colossus throws Wolverine at a big/distant enemy.
Though if you ask me, the most amazing example of superpower team coordination in all fiction isn't even in a superhero story, it's the Strawhats vs. Oars fight in One Piece, with nine characters with incredibly different power sets coordinating in the most ridiculous ways for attacks on a massive scale.
@@jaycubz1307 Also Teen Titans work together and combine their powers
I was re-watching this video, and I thought of a few things I wanted to point out. Extra wins, I guess.
2:50 - Bob's office space parallels his mental state and the way that his life is going. He literally doesn't fit in, since you can see that he has to squeeze through the opening of his cubicle, and everything is too small for him. He has even less space than the other office workers, because most of the space is occupied by a column (representation of strength) and electric line (representation of power). Bob's whole life is just like that, where he feels he can't function as a normal person because his strength and superpowers take up so much space in his mind, and make up who he really is.
Also, compare that to how his new employer, Syndrome, has Bob sit in a room next to a wall of lava. In Bob's office at Insuricare, the power line is both underplayed and boring, as well as a nuisance. But in Syndrome's "office" of sorts, the power source is on full display, open, and appealing. That's exactly how Bob feels about his own powers.
Pixar has been showing us the insides of characters' heads long before Inside Out.
8:27 - I think that Syndrome's reference to Kronos is less about being the father of gods, and more about the fact that Kronos was a Titan, one of the forerunners of the gods, and also that Kronos attempted to defeat the gods (by eating them, apparently... the myth is weird). Syndrome is like Kronos because he works to defeat the nearest things to gods that are around him, the supers.
10:31 - I think it's worth pointing out that when the people at Pixar were making this movie, they deliberately gave the characters powers that were reflective of their personalities and roles within their families. (i.e., Mr. Incredible is strong, because fathers are usually seen as strong; Elastigirl is stretchy, because mothers are often pulled in a lot of directions, and need to be adaptable - flexible - to almost anything; Violet can become invisible, because teenagers often want to hide, and she can create force fields, because teenagers often want to push people away; etc.) When Helen protects her children like that, that seems to be the moment when she harmonizes being Elastigirl and being a mother. She is saving people, the way she did as a superhero, but that way that she wraps around her children to protect them is one of the most motherly actions possible. I think this is the moment where she realizes that her past life and her present life aren't mutually exclusive, and that she needs to be both a superhero and a mom (which, let's be honest, is the real superhero job in real life).
14:09 - You could place that exact dialogue into a scene of a wife about to give birth, and it would be totally appropriate. (Of course, as some people have joked, Elastigirl probably had a relatively easy time with childbirth. For obvious reasons.)
LamanKnight Why would it be easy for her?
Y 20 X Dude, are you kidding me?
DecimusYna Either be constructive or don't reply, please.
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She should have an easy time if we compare to others because of her Power. The pains come partly by the fact that a baby is bigger than... You know what I Mean. Also, I'm french, Tired and not sure about the English term.... But since Elastigirl is.... Elastic, yeah, her own body could "distord" to let the baby "out" without having to actually Push.
But let's be honest, there's a lot of factor for Pain in a Childbirth, and even if an Elastic body could solve some, some other would still cause trouble. I guess... I'm like the worst person to ask about it....
The Four Horsemen I'm kicking your ass before this week ends.
This video should have been called "Everything incredible about The Incredibles"
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It's suprisng how much that despite this movie coming out in 2004, the animation still really holds up! Seriously, it's been over eighteen years, that's impressive!
Just realized how much I loved Incredibles, I'm a second year university student studying CGI and without even realizing it, films like the incredibles are exactly what shaped my drive and direction in life.
Mitchell Wisniewski That's so cool :D
I'm surprised that you did not win the moment in the jungle where violet jumped in front of dash blocking the bullets with her force field, the look on her face is surprised because she didnt expect to use a force field meaning she was prepared to die protecting dash which is a self sacrifice win if ive ever seen one.
I don't think Elasti-Girl can just shape her true form like that. I'm guessing her powers are like flexing a muscle or sucking in your gut. You can only do it for so long at a time without a rest.
John Smith good point!!
John Smith I was gonna comment the same thing, glad I saw this.
This ain't My Hero Academia so I doubt it
John Smith That's true. Right after Helen, Violet, and Dash are shot out of the sky, Helen shapes her body into a zodiac-style boat using Dash as the motor. When they get to shore, both she AND Dash are completely exhausted despite Dash doing the kicking.
In the movies her boobs went from like a c to a d lol
Something that I noticed: In the KRONOS scene, it says that Frozone's location is found. It's possible that Syndrome saw the footage from the jewelry store of Frozone freezing the cop and tracked him.
No, Mirage did. Remember she was watching and when she sees Mr. Incredible burst through the wall, she says she wants to "switch targets". Meaning they were ALREADY tracking Frozone. He was their next target. They were not initially stalking Bob. Had Bob not busted through the wall in Mirage's presence, Frozone would be dead. Kind of a chilling (no pun intended) thought.
Also when Bob fought the Omnidroid v8.0, it drove him into a volcano, where Frozone would have been powerless
def one of the best Pixar ever made!!
the soundtrack, the action, story-telling, and dialogue, animation, directing, everything!!
the actors voicing the characters do a BRILLIANT job really bringing these characters to life!!
ALL of it in this movie is a WIN!! ONE OF MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE MOVIES!!
best pixar film is up
Luke Sanchez I said ONE OF
DC Comics Was Founded In 1934 I said ONE OF
Matthew Mcwhorter I said ONE OF
Hunter not “one of”....
it is
Something I have heard numerous comment on are the in-house sprinkler system that went off. During the 60's and early 70's some new subdivisions advertised houses with sprinkler systems. Until they realized that some burned pop-corn would set them off so the insurance companies and cities started banning them. I remember the commercials and my parents talking about how stupid an idea it was... Which I proved by burning my parents anniversary surprise dinner. No one told me that 350 x 2 didn't cook the food twice as fast. ;-D
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jaspr1999 your oven went to 700 degrees?!
Commander Cody, - I wish it did! No, I just maxed it out trying to cook it faster. It was one of the 'new' radar ranges.
4:45 In the 14 years that this film has been around, I did not notice that Mr.Incredible was humming his own theme song.
I always thought that he was humming to some sort of random tune!!
Oh my god I never realized that I felt so dumb.
I really love that Violet subverted our expectations on the plane force field scene.
She's a teen who doesn't have full control over her powers, because she's been forced to hide them for all her life, and is terrified for her and her family's well being. She's not going to be confident enough in her skills at that moment to be able to sustain a force field, let alone make one big enough to cover an entire plane or an area bigger than she's done before (as we can see in the dinner scene is not much bigger than Dash). It'd be very unreasonable for us to expect her to be able to do it. It'd be very unrealistic for her to be able to do it. She's a kid in dire action that she's never faced or had the fear of facing before.
A very large round of applause to the crew who put that scene in the way it was. It's incredibly realistic reactions, even in a very unrealistic situation.
A quick edit: I remembered the dinner scene wrong, the force field was a decent size, but it still stands that it's smaller than a plane and in a definitely less stressful situation.
12:45 What about when violet jumps in front of dash in the jungle scene when he’s about to get shot? When dash asks something along the lines of “how are you doing that?” Violet responds with “I don’t know!” Now that seems to me like violet didn’t intend to make the force field in the first place. She was planning to take the bullet for dash.
I mean her body is built like a twig, she ain't protecting shit 💀
This movie is so ahead of it's time. Back in 2004, this was seen as a legend.
*This stuff made up my childhood.*
Can't believe you didn't add more wins for the elastic girl scene where she gets stuck between doors and eventually beat up the guards. Even CinemaSins removed a couple sins for that scene.(11:15)
25011990rockstar fair point, but I think wins has less love violence, not hatred just less.
19:36 for anyone that didn't notice the "car from cars" there's a blue 1953 Hudson Hornet on the left hand side of the screen... Otherwise known as Doc' Hudson
thank you haha I was looking for that
You forgot the "Sam L. Jackson is always a win" win
So is Wallace Shawn.
When you realise that the boss is the same voice actor as Rex from toy story.
INCONCIEVABLE!!!!
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You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.
@@davidhong1934 Oh have it your way
I watched toy story yesterday and also realised this I'm disappointed it took me this long considering those two movies were .y favouritrs when I was younger
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