thanks to lily's first poe 2 trading video, i've done three trades with proper etiquette. it's the little things like saying 'thank you' that help keep the world going. thank you.
I just started trading and half of mine its so quick and easy you cant even whisper them lol, and then a third being idiots and either not responding after asking to trade, crying for it to be one less ex when its only like 2 or 3, or spamming you with invites when you are in a fight.
my issue is not with using filters or the trade website, but getting a response from sellers on the site. doesn't matter whether they just posted (spam refreshing the site) or if the listing has been up for days, i never get a response from the seller when i dm them from the site. i know the whisper went through because i see it in game.
I haven't had an issue at all tbh. Always try someone again in 5-10 minutes if you really want something. Odds are they are busy playing the game. Some people are fine leaving maps to trade, others will wait until they are between (people will message and ask if you're still interested in X item from time to time). If it's a low $ item your odds of getting a response will always be less. Anything over 15 Ex will typically get a response pretty fast.
Some sellers have a lot of items on sale and they're getting spammed and flooded with messages. Also they're probably just playing the game and don't see it.
This is a double-edged sword. Indeed sometimes you won't get an answer and have to ask again, but that means the bot won't be able to buy it 1s after being put up for sale by someone - case diablo 3 and their ah which was tragic because of it. From my perspective it looks like this: sometimes when someone writes to me to buy my item I am often acctually on the map and I won't go back wasting a portal to sell an Item worth 1 regal. It also happens that I am fighting, for example, a boss and have no way to react. When you want to buy something and the seller does not answer, you can write a second message e.g. : if you are busy then I will wait 5 min, let me know. When I get such a message, I can see that someone cares about the item and does not click "direct whisper" to the person selling a similar item next to me, as soon as I find a free moment I write back e.g.: I will be able to come to you in 10min because I am on the map. It helps alot. You can also be unlucky and end up with someone afk.
often its people just keeping a cheap listing to encourage other people to list it that cheap too and then they snipe it instantly, thats called price fixing. so those people price fixing will never answer you. what helps for uniques is just paying a premium so you dont have to hope for someone selling a cheap deal to you. for example buying a 1 exalt item for 4 or 5 so you get it almost instantly
I am buying items RIGHT, however, prices are so messed up, that next sensible upgrade from my current eq (10ex?) seems to cost 5+ divines to even bother/make difference. And I haven't seen one in 2 weeks.
I made my first purchase last night. Went pretty smooth. I was a bit put off by it all at first being a PS5 player but it's really not that bad. I have my PC & PS5 sharing a screen so I just found the item on my pc, sent the whisper, switched back to game and I had a party invite within seconds. I can imagine trying to do it through the PS5 browser would be a nightmare but I'm sure a phone would do the job fine too. Thanks for the tips 🙂
For the record, weighted sum and weighted sum v2 only differs when you put min (or max). For the res example, if you add fire cold and lightning res, and put a min of 10 in each res, plus a min global weight of 60, you will have a difference. - v1 will show a 32% fire res, 31% cold res as global weighting is greater than 60% - v1 will not show a 32% fire res, 31% cold res and 3% lightning res as 3% lightning res is smaller than 10% - v2 will show a 32% fire res, 31% cold res and 3% lightning res as global sum of ok mod greater than ten are more than 60% - v1 nor v2 won't show a 37% fire, 17% cold, 8% lightning res item as for v1 the 8% percent disqualify the item and for v2 the 8% don't count and the sum without 8% is lower than 60%
actually really helpful video, thanks. i'm scared to interact with the website and other players. hope they do get some kind of ingame trading system for launch
I've used IF groups before but in PoE1 when I played long time ago not sure about use case in PoE2, but in PoE1 it was useful to make sure stat that I would want is not lower rolled than master crafted range. Maybe in PoE2 it can be used to check if resist that you might fill in with a rune rolled at least as high as the runes you can insert.
Good video but ngl was hoping to find a video that fixes the bug I'm getting. Seems like everything is working until i try to whisper and i get an error message saying my account must be in-game. I'm almost lv 80 and still can't use trade so if it's not fixed in this upcoming "patch", I'm officially done
Very useful video. That being said, I do feel POE2 should differentiate itself from POE1 and have all of this functionality inside of the game as QoL. This also applies to filters, why do they need to be created outside and then put into the game rather than copy something like what Last Epoch uses that u can create it ingame. Why do i need a path of building outside when there could be a way to test it ingame. I feel like these would be crucial to make POE2 much better than POE1 for ppl to pick up
My problem is BUYING BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE!!!! I’m live searching and instantly whispering people. 100 whispers and not a single response, like wtf? I understand I’m competing with others but are they doing something different for an advantage? I noticed during live search that when a listing pops up it says “2 minutes” time has elapsed, shouldn’t it be seconds or is there a buffer before it actually shows up?
very useful, thanks for this is there any guide for recognizing which items are worth picking up? like white bases for example for a monk, or even blue items which already have 1 or 2 stats, how to know whether its crap or whether it has potential for further crafting ?
Just think about what you use in your build. What’s good is what stats you need on said item. Whites you can try getting specific stats using currency. Blues give you a slight headstart to crafting if the stats you want land (less currency used) anything with stats you can’t use is trash basically but could be good for someone else. Sorry for word salad
Pretty good, but you should have also explained the currency situation, divine vs exalt and all that; that's the most confusing thing for most players, albeit might become irrelevant in a few months.
I've only thrown about 100ex at gear to res cap and quadruple my damage output. Not sure if the market is still just stupid or if I've been lucky playing off-meta and finding deals. My build enabling unique was 1ex for example.
It totally depends on what build you're using. But yes, a lot of people have nfc how to price stuff. The price difference between items that are big upgrades for me and one is slightly worse is massive. Like 3-4 Div massive. So I'll buy the one that is slightly worse for 25 ex all day.
Prices for most average players is fine. Way too many people that are new to the game and think that upgrading is "imposible". And there are the same poe1 redditors that complain about everything each league. Tho part of the problem is how the divine-exalt ratio is still not updated in the site. Also people will learn (again) that playing Meta is EXPENSIVE. Using items thst no one wants is the way for cheap builds. Thats one of the ways the trade market helps balancing the game.
Heh, the items I'm hunting for cost between 10-100 divs, and there are 13 of them on the entire site :D So thankfully I can scan aaaaall the options and buy "right". Very good tip video though
Apart from the spoofers - at the low end people can’t be arsed to trade. My hunch is they have bunged a load of stuff into trade but as they progress in the game and there wealth rises it’s just not worth coming out of what they are doing for a few exalts. Friction by thoroughly miserable experience, horrid.
the worst part about this way of trading is the peopl putting up stuff for 1ex / 20ex / 40ex just to price check 30min later youve made 1 purchase also today i bought a 20% qualified corrupted amulet, turns out you cant annoint corrupted amulets LOL
I've been annoyed how many uniques have sellers camping on low priced items and not responding to PMs. Camping as in just trying to price fix or whatever.
@MasterJiraiyaGamin I've noticed a bunch for certain items that do the thing of listing for 1-5 exalts and then just constantly refreshing so their listing is always the newest. Scammers I'm sure but some items just have so many doing that. But even with bad rolled goldrims you'll have people seeming to be doing this. It's weird that even cheap items have this going on.
She's talking about the ratio of exalts to divines, the website still thinks divines are worth 4-5 exalts so it puts the items priced in divines higher up in the list
Just ignore the first few, clearly underpriced listings. They won't respond anyways. For rares this isn't typically an issue because people are looking for very specific things on each piece, but for Uniques there are always a few price fixing dipshits.
Also a note for any inexperienced players - BE CAREFUL when using weighted sum. Because numerical roles on different affixes can vary signifincantly (let's say "+ to all melee skill gems" being a literal 1, to "+ to total mana" being 250) make sure that you adjust your weights, and minimum weight sum to appropriate levels. If you for example set something like: - lightning res % (25+) with weight 2 - + to all projectile skill gems (2+) with weight 4 And you set absolute minimum weight sum to let's say 50, you might get a search result back with hundrets of thousands of hits that have lightning res, but no projectile skill gem, simply because all hits match the 25+*2 weight >=50. Try to use weighted sum on affixes that you are indifferent on - for example, maybe you don't care if it's fire res, lightning res, mana or cast speed - while using a seocnd "AND" group (mix and match) with the + projectile skills you really need :) Hopefully this helps someone
Just so you know, until about 5 months ago everything was traded this way in PoE1. The currency exchange is new this season. And I assure you that trading currency is by far the most annoying thing ever. Trading for items isn't a big deal at all. People have been asking for a proper AH for ages. GGG has repeatedly said to go f*ck a duck. It will likely never happen.
@@JayBigDadyCy pretty sure a dev said during a video with ziz that they plan to add an auction house with substantial gold costs for gear to combat bots.
@@c-tothefourth4879 they just wanted to be D2 2.0 so bad back in the day, that they copied all the bad parts about it too. AH would be great in ANY online multiplayer game about items that you can trade. Keep rarity in ssf, take it out of trade league, and make an AH. But GGG is having a hard enough time fighting bugs and hacks and dupes rn to do much of anything really
True but it won’t be fixed in the way you might think. The only fix they would do is resetting and starting a new league. I think they’re going to patch the hacking and duping exploits and just let this one roll on for a while.
I think devs were bullied by an item exchange when they were kids and decided that "no trade shall ever be easy for anyone on this planet". I can't see any other explanation for having such a rudimental trade system in a game in 2025. Lovely video though
This website is whack AF. New players, ie most people in Poe right now, don’t even know the site exists. I stopped picking up all gear unless it’s a div or higher and then I just come to the website and buy someone else’s gear. Great system
You’re actually wrong about the runes and weapon DPS or body armor defenses. The trade site calculates for those fields the highest possible total, accounting for quality and empty rune slots.
This was the most scuffed of your videos. Not in the good way. You put a max resist roll instead of min, broken trains of thought, glossing over important things, botched explanations, erratic editing at one part, etc.. Consider re recording this? Wouldn't be too tough.
thanks to lily's first poe 2 trading video, i've done three trades with proper etiquette. it's the little things like saying 'thank you' that help keep the world going. thank you.
I just started trading and half of mine its so quick and easy you cant even whisper them lol, and then a third being idiots and either not responding after asking to trade, crying for it to be one less ex when its only like 2 or 3, or spamming you with invites when you are in a fight.
my issue is not with using filters or the trade website, but getting a response from sellers on the site. doesn't matter whether they just posted (spam refreshing the site) or if the listing has been up for days, i never get a response from the seller when i dm them from the site. i know the whisper went through because i see it in game.
I haven't had an issue at all tbh. Always try someone again in 5-10 minutes if you really want something. Odds are they are busy playing the game. Some people are fine leaving maps to trade, others will wait until they are between (people will message and ask if you're still interested in X item from time to time). If it's a low $ item your odds of getting a response will always be less. Anything over 15 Ex will typically get a response pretty fast.
Some sellers have a lot of items on sale and they're getting spammed and flooded with messages. Also they're probably just playing the game and don't see it.
This is a double-edged sword. Indeed sometimes you won't get an answer and have to ask again, but that means the bot won't be able to buy it 1s after being put up for sale by someone - case diablo 3 and their ah which was tragic because of it. From my perspective it looks like this: sometimes when someone writes to me to buy my item I am often acctually on the map and I won't go back wasting a portal to sell an Item worth 1 regal. It also happens that I am fighting, for example, a boss and have no way to react. When you want to buy something and the seller does not answer, you can write a second message e.g. : if you are busy then I will wait 5 min, let me know. When I get such a message, I can see that someone cares about the item and does not click "direct whisper" to the person selling a similar item next to me, as soon as I find a free moment I write back e.g.: I will be able to come to you in 10min because I am on the map. It helps alot. You can also be unlucky and end up with someone afk.
often its people just keeping a cheap listing to encourage other people to list it that cheap too and then they snipe it instantly, thats called price fixing. so those people price fixing will never answer you. what helps for uniques is just paying a premium so you dont have to hope for someone selling a cheap deal to you. for example buying a 1 exalt item for 4 or 5 so you get it almost instantly
Stop whispering the lowest price
Online/Offline checking is good when there are only few online items listed and you want check if the ones that are listed are at a reasonable price.
I am buying items RIGHT, however, prices are so messed up, that next sensible upgrade from my current eq (10ex?) seems to cost 5+ divines to even bother/make difference. And I haven't seen one in 2 weeks.
What are you farming 😂
I made my first purchase last night. Went pretty smooth. I was a bit put off by it all at first being a PS5 player but it's really not that bad. I have my PC & PS5 sharing a screen so I just found the item on my pc, sent the whisper, switched back to game and I had a party invite within seconds. I can imagine trying to do it through the PS5 browser would be a nightmare but I'm sure a phone would do the job fine too. Thanks for the tips 🙂
For the record, weighted sum and weighted sum v2 only differs when you put min (or max). For the res example, if you add fire cold and lightning res, and put a min of 10 in each res, plus a min global weight of 60, you will have a difference.
- v1 will show a 32% fire res, 31% cold res as global weighting is greater than 60%
- v1 will not show a 32% fire res, 31% cold res and 3% lightning res as 3% lightning res is smaller than 10%
- v2 will show a 32% fire res, 31% cold res and 3% lightning res as global sum of ok mod greater than ten are more than 60%
- v1 nor v2 won't show a 37% fire, 17% cold, 8% lightning res item as for v1 the 8% percent disqualify the item and for v2 the 8% don't count and the sum without 8% is lower than 60%
Huhhh?
Does GGG explain that anywhere?
Thanks lily ive been trying to get a specific wand and finally got it right away just now with the no listed price.
actually really helpful video, thanks. i'm scared to interact with the website and other players. hope they do get some kind of ingame trading system for launch
I've used IF groups before but in PoE1 when I played long time ago not sure about use case in PoE2, but in PoE1 it was useful to make sure stat that I would want is not lower rolled than master crafted range. Maybe in PoE2 it can be used to check if resist that you might fill in with a rune rolled at least as high as the runes you can insert.
Ah ty lily for once again letting everyone know what they are doing wrong :D
But how do i search for open affixes on an item? I cant figure it out even witht he help of google 😅
I wish they would just add an in-game auction house like FF14. So much faster and smoother l.
It's been like this since 2013 and it ain't changing anytime soon.
Ehat is the macro that pple use to write "Thank you blablabla " after a trade?
Good video but ngl was hoping to find a video that fixes the bug I'm getting. Seems like everything is working until i try to whisper and i get an error message saying my account must be in-game. I'm almost lv 80 and still can't use trade so if it's not fixed in this upcoming "patch", I'm officially done
they need to fix it the trade for ps5 you can't whisper to a player say your not in game which makes no sense
50 seconds in and already learned something, thanks!
How does poe2 have stash tabs though?
Very useful video. That being said, I do feel POE2 should differentiate itself from POE1 and have all of this functionality inside of the game as QoL. This also applies to filters, why do they need to be created outside and then put into the game rather than copy something like what Last Epoch uses that u can create it ingame. Why do i need a path of building outside when there could be a way to test it ingame. I feel like these would be crucial to make POE2 much better than POE1 for ppl to pick up
My problem is BUYING BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE!!!! I’m live searching and instantly whispering people. 100 whispers and not a single response, like wtf? I understand I’m competing with others but are they doing something different for an advantage? I noticed during live search that when a listing pops up it says “2 minutes” time has elapsed, shouldn’t it be seconds or is there a buffer before it actually shows up?
they should add ""used rune sockets" right below "empty rune sockets" cause it's cheaper to buy used item
very useful, thanks for this
is there any guide for recognizing which items are worth picking up? like white bases for example for a monk, or even blue items which already have 1 or 2 stats, how to know whether its crap or whether it has potential for further crafting ?
Just think about what you use in your build. What’s good is what stats you need on said item. Whites you can try getting specific stats using currency. Blues give you a slight headstart to crafting if the stats you want land (less currency used) anything with stats you can’t use is trash basically but could be good for someone else.
Sorry for word salad
Pretty good, but you should have also explained the currency situation, divine vs exalt and all that; that's the most confusing thing for most players, albeit might become irrelevant in a few months.
If you get an item with a minium sum of 89 resist its probable trash.
I've only thrown about 100ex at gear to res cap and quadruple my damage output. Not sure if the market is still just stupid or if I've been lucky playing off-meta and finding deals. My build enabling unique was 1ex for example.
It totally depends on what build you're using. But yes, a lot of people have nfc how to price stuff. The price difference between items that are big upgrades for me and one is slightly worse is massive. Like 3-4 Div massive. So I'll buy the one that is slightly worse for 25 ex all day.
Prices for most average players is fine. Way too many people that are new to the game and think that upgrading is "imposible". And there are the same poe1 redditors that complain about everything each league.
Tho part of the problem is how the divine-exalt ratio is still not updated in the site.
Also people will learn (again) that playing Meta is EXPENSIVE. Using items thst no one wants is the way for cheap builds.
Thats one of the ways the trade market helps balancing the game.
100? I just did it for like 10 minus a weapon.
@@CaecoAequitas1 yeah if I took out my most expensive item I would have spent way less than 100 too. 🙄
I'm learning the hard way that gambling ex on gear and hoping it will sell when your a noob is a losing battle.
Heh, the items I'm hunting for cost between 10-100 divs, and there are 13 of them on the entire site :D So thankfully I can scan aaaaall the options and buy "right". Very good tip video though
You really need to change the video title. Something like "BEST Strategy to OP BUILD ITEMS for a CHEAP PRICE".
If you know what I mean
Apart from the spoofers - at the low end people can’t be arsed to trade. My hunch is they have bunged a load of stuff into trade but as they progress in the game and there wealth rises it’s just not worth coming out of what they are doing for a few exalts. Friction by thoroughly miserable experience, horrid.
can't wait for pseudo mods, searching or pricing resistance gear is so sketchy
That thumbnail is too sane exile
the worst part about this way of trading is the peopl putting up stuff for 1ex / 20ex / 40ex just to price check
30min later youve made 1 purchase
also today i bought a 20% qualified corrupted amulet, turns out you cant annoint corrupted amulets LOL
This just needs an ingame AH like how wow has or what Diablo had
I've been annoyed how many uniques have sellers camping on low priced items and not responding to PMs. Camping as in just trying to price fix or whatever.
Yeah or they watched a certain rage gaming video...
Or just raise the price instantly then you find em again and they raise it again and again
@MasterJiraiyaGamin I've noticed a bunch for certain items that do the thing of listing for 1-5 exalts and then just constantly refreshing so their listing is always the newest. Scammers I'm sure but some items just have so many doing that.
But even with bad rolled goldrims you'll have people seeming to be doing this. It's weird that even cheap items have this going on.
Great video thanks. How do I relist an item?
Manually updated? Like you think an actual person looks at your sell tab and tabulates it all into the poe database?
She's talking about the ratio of exalts to divines, the website still thinks divines are worth 4-5 exalts so it puts the items priced in divines higher up in the list
No one said that 😂
Now I understand how people could see what I had in my stash in PoE 1 and whisper me about it. 😅
This video is what the community needs, i am actively recommending to every new player i see!
Ty, only missing the part when u show how to filter out price manipulators and fake listings.
Set ex or divine price higher than than the lowest listing's, and can also change date since item listed
Just ignore the first few, clearly underpriced listings. They won't respond anyways. For rares this isn't typically an issue because people are looking for very specific things on each piece, but for Uniques there are always a few price fixing dipshits.
I fell for price fixing this morning and undersold and item. 😤
Try turning on your monitor and listen to what the video says, hope this helps.
@@Njlitman get braintransplant before giving out advice, hope this helps
The bo ex saved me.thanks
As a totes noob I am at the end of Act2 and just ignored player gaming XD
This thumbnail is proof DS lily uses RMT
1:39 ?
"Everything is self explanatory" but let me make a 10min video saying everything is self explanatory 100 times
10/10 thumbnail
Also a note for any inexperienced players - BE CAREFUL when using weighted sum. Because numerical roles on different affixes can vary signifincantly (let's say "+ to all melee skill gems" being a literal 1, to "+ to total mana" being 250) make sure that you adjust your weights, and minimum weight sum to appropriate levels. If you for example set something like:
- lightning res % (25+) with weight 2
- + to all projectile skill gems (2+) with weight 4
And you set absolute minimum weight sum to let's say 50, you might get a search result back with hundrets of thousands of hits that have lightning res, but no projectile skill gem, simply because all hits match the 25+*2 weight >=50.
Try to use weighted sum on affixes that you are indifferent on - for example, maybe you don't care if it's fire res, lightning res, mana or cast speed - while using a seocnd "AND" group (mix and match) with the + projectile skills you really need :) Hopefully this helps someone
We need an Auction House of some kind. It's nuts to have to whisper, party and meet to trade.
Just so you know, until about 5 months ago everything was traded this way in PoE1. The currency exchange is new this season. And I assure you that trading currency is by far the most annoying thing ever. Trading for items isn't a big deal at all. People have been asking for a proper AH for ages. GGG has repeatedly said to go f*ck a duck. It will likely never happen.
@@JayBigDadyCy pretty sure a dev said during a video with ziz that they plan to add an auction house with substantial gold costs for gear to combat bots.
@@beyondfridgecoldplans change ;) just a bunch of gamer tourists whining, items don't need ah at all
@@JayBigDadyCyincorrect. They spoke about full auction house in an interview for POE 2. They’re not against it.
@@c-tothefourth4879 they just wanted to be D2 2.0 so bad back in the day, that they copied all the bad parts about it too. AH would be great in ANY online multiplayer game about items that you can trade. Keep rarity in ssf, take it out of trade league, and make an AH. But GGG is having a hard enough time fighting bugs and hacks and dupes rn to do much of anything really
Shouldn’t we avoid trading for now until GGG fixes shit b/ that seems to be the main consensus to get hacked 🤷🏽♂️
True but it won’t be fixed in the way you might think. The only fix they would do is resetting and starting a new league. I think they’re going to patch the hacking and duping exploits and just let this one roll on for a while.
I think devs were bullied by an item exchange when they were kids and decided that "no trade shall ever be easy for anyone on this planet". I can't see any other explanation for having such a rudimental trade system in a game in 2025. Lovely video though
Great vid thx :D
This website is whack AF. New players, ie most people in Poe right now, don’t even know the site exists. I stopped picking up all gear unless it’s a div or higher and then I just come to the website and buy someone else’s gear. Great system
1 map 1 try.
Tks queen
these videos make themselves!
I don’t care much for this Trade.
Ehh too complicated, remove Magic find 😏
Not bad
Flashbang out
You’re actually wrong about the runes and weapon DPS or body armor defenses. The trade site calculates for those fields the highest possible total, accounting for quality and empty rune slots.
Trading blows
Thank you!
Best tip is to not play the game until they bann all the cheaters and exploiters who no life a game in alpha state like pathetic little simps😂
Thanks again!
nice video
if you already knew all of this, like this comment 🎉
Lmfao
One of the worst guides I've seen. Cheers!
i just realized you look like a discount sssniperwolf
She really doesn't, but Sniperwolf is a discount lily in the brains department
so bad
thank for more pro gamer tip poe hotty
Ur outros are so bad lol
This was the most scuffed of your videos. Not in the good way.
You put a max resist roll instead of min, broken trains of thought, glossing over important things, botched explanations, erratic editing at one part, etc..
Consider re recording this? Wouldn't be too tough.
DOES THIIS DUMMMY HAAVE THE DOWNS???????????????????????????????????????? WTF UNSTALL MAYBE GO PLAY WITTH LEGOS LAND AND UNSSTALL THIS GAME
refusing watch video without knees !👀