If you have any questions, please feel free to ask here - www.doomworld.com/forum/58-editing-questions/ Myself and other Doom modders are more likely to see it and be able to help!
I like how you are at the same time someone who can make cool flamethrower enemies in DeHacked and someone who does a bunch of mistakes making a ZDoom mapinfo turorial :D
Well, I feel like avoiding the occasional mistake with anything this finnicky is going to be nearly impossible :P Stuff like "sky1" rather than just "sky" for example..
Really love the MIDI of "It's a Sin" by the Pet Shop Boys in this video. The instruction is also super helpful, as someone taking a crack at Doom mapping for the first time.
Thank you for you no BS, concise tutorials. The mistakes you made will also help my along in my DooM modding journey! You and are my saving grace when it comes to learning Slade3 and how it works. Everything else, including the Slade wiki is confusing as hell.
For those who hate adding a flag under every map's properties (e.g. nojump), type "defaultmap" (in any line, I believe) and type the flag you want under it. Methink that this works in all versions of MAPINFO.
Hell of a concept for a good vid mate. Great job... Sadly alls I need is to figure out how to get a new soundfont for my prboom3ds. Ill await that video
Hi I'm having some trouble with my script, I want an entertext but it wont show up I have tried a lot but no errors seem to show up at all. If you know whats going on please tell me it is greatly appreciated.
i enjoyed this type of level renaming better than your other video showcasing Doom Writer and WhackEd... also liked the whole ability to change skies and intermission texts.... i've struggled with that for a while now. props edit: my own twist // doom.fandom.com/wiki/Sky i didn't realize the thing about F_SKY1 being the base tile that the engine reconfigures into the actual SKY texture ingame.... alternatively, if you wanted to change the sky to a stock texture, you can use the script # OPEN { changesky(etc.etc.) } ... ugh... SO BOSS !
Sorry for my late reply, I'm not sure what would be causing that, have you tried asking here? Someone will definitely be able to help you www.doomworld.com/forum/58-editing-questions/
I do believe that is possible, however I’m not certain - if you ask at Doomworld.com, the people there will definitely help to steer you in the right direction!
3:35 What other source ports would be compatible with a WAD like this that uses the old ZDoom MAPINFO format? If you're making a Doom 2 WAD, you can also use TEXTURE2, which would have only the new additional texture definitions in it, and is actually supported by vanilla Doom 2.
The source ports I was thinking of were ZDaemon and Odamex, although they may support the newer MAPINFO variants by now. (The old format is also supported by GZD and Zandronum, you probably already know this but just clarifying)
SKY3 texture. I found a solution. You can set the map to 21 when creating a new map (doom builder) and then warp to map 21 when loading the map. It sets the sky texture to SKY3 (doom 2)
That's essentially correct. You can choose from the different endings here: EndPic = Displays the specified lump as an image. This method should be used instead of the next four. EndGame1 = Displays the credit picture used after Doom episode 1 and Heretic episodes 1 and 5 EndGame2 = Displays the picture used after Doom episode 2, or the credits screen for Doom 2 EndGameW = Displays the picture used after Heretic episode 2 EndGame4 = Displays the picture used after Doom and Heretic episode 4 EndGameC = Rolls the cast finale for Doom II EndGame3 = The horizontal scroller (right to left) after Doom episode 3 EndDemon = The vertical scroller (bottom to top) after Heretic episode 3 EndGameS = The conditional end game script for Strife
Now I can have a story to my doom mod, I’m going to make a part where doomguy meets bill nye in the story text and the bill nye the science guy theme will play during the Text and the level
Hi, Doomkid. I'm planning to make a wad with new textures and when I did all the PP_START - PP_END stuff and then "Add to Patch Table" but I pressed "Create New (Empty)" instead of "Import from Base Resource Archive" because I didn't like the fact that when you do the Base Resource Archive thing it adds Doom2 textures to the list, while I want it to be a separate list with new textures only, just to avoid confusion (especially when I'm using Ultimate Doom Builder). Is it good or bad? My test wad worked fine BTW. Additional stupid question: FLATS do not need to add them to patch table or Texturex, right? PS: Thanks for your tutorial. I will make good use of your tips. For now, I'm just trying to learn some other basics such as adding new texs.
You're right, flats don't need to be added to either the patch table or texturex! I think the method you used of creating a new blank patch table will mess up in Vanilla and more "conservative" ports, but it should still work just fine in ZDoom-family ports. (I could be mistaken, I've never tried creating a new blank patch table before)
@@DoomKid Thanks man. To be honest, I don't think my wad's gonna be vanilla friendly so I think it's all good. Anyway, I was wondering: what if I wanted to add new texture in an additional blank patch table. Should I do the same process I did with the previous patch table?
@@benrichardson5798 That's awesome, I'm looking forward to playing it, lol! Also to your question "Should I do the same process I did with the previous patch table?", yep, that's right. (sorry for late reply, YT is picky about notifications)
I believe so, but the formatting is a bit different. I've never used anything but the old MAPINFO format (idk why there are like 19 mapinfo formats now.. the old Hexen-based format as shown here was perfect, I thought)
Every map in your wad before e1m8 will need “cluster 1”, and after e1m8, you’ll have “clusterdef 1” where you actually type the story and set a FLAT for a background and such.
@@DoomKid The size is 1024x24 Lmao. Maybe that's the problem, because I thought that I needed a large image to see the full png in the sky. The question is, can it fit the full image on the skybox?
When I made the MAPINFO of the first level of my wad the icon of my MAP02 turned from an arrow to a question mark. Do you know what might have caused that??
That's a great question, I don't think it's actually possible to have the story react to the player's name. If you're making something targeting GZDoom it may be possible however.
@@DoomKid I did all it said to do. But the map 01 music isn’t working at all. Like I have a music change mid level, which does work, but the start music doesn’t play at all no matter what I do with the map info file. It plays as it should without it tho
Check out the MAPINFO tutorial on ZDoom.org, I believe it’s called EXITPIC but I’m not sure. Unless you want the same graphic for the whole campaign, in that case just modify the graphic called “interpic” which you can find in Doom2.wad. Hope this helps
Unfortunately not, the only ports that support the classic MAPINFO format are ZDoom based ports (GZDoom, Zandronum, Odamex etc). Some ports have variants like UMAPINFO, but sadly I don’t think PrBoom is one of them.
At what point did you mention what application is needed to create this file? You know.... the most important information about this entire video. Oh I'm sorry. Did you take that for granted? Do you assume everyone knows everything you do? Then why make this video in the first place?
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask here - www.doomworld.com/forum/58-editing-questions/
Myself and other Doom modders are more likely to see it and be able to help!
Crispy Doom can do MAPINFO, but oddly not boom features.
@@SylkaChan wait what? I tried it with Crispy but it didn't work...
appreciate you having a music tutorial that ISNT some half assed "just replace existing tracks" technique.
You're very welcome
I like how you are at the same time someone who can make cool flamethrower enemies in DeHacked and someone who does a bunch of mistakes making a ZDoom mapinfo turorial :D
Well, I feel like avoiding the occasional mistake with anything this finnicky is going to be nearly impossible :P Stuff like "sky1" rather than just "sky" for example..
Really love the MIDI of "It's a Sin" by the Pet Shop Boys in this video. The instruction is also super helpful, as someone taking a crack at Doom mapping for the first time.
Thanks!
This is perfect timing since I want my new wad to have completely custom textscreens!
Priceless. Set me up with the fancy stuff in no time.
This was literally the most helpfull tutorial in my whole life
I wanted to learn about this, to know how wads like BTSX have stuff more appropiate for advanced ports, like tall skies. Great tutorial as always!
Very good tutorial!
the old MAPINFO format is more like the hexen MAPINFO that the GZDoom mapinfo...
Yeah, I like the old format better, plus it works in more ports! (namely ports based on ancient ZDoom builds like ZDaemon and Odamex)
I cant thank you enough for this guide, I wouldnt have my maps music without ye
I'm glad it helped!
Thank you for you no BS, concise tutorials. The mistakes you made will also help my along in my DooM modding journey!
You and are my saving grace when it comes to learning Slade3 and how it works. Everything else, including the Slade wiki is confusing as hell.
Really glad this is helpful for you!
Thanks man! By far the best tutorial on changing basic things in Doom!
Glad it helped!
@@DoomKid I started off with Doom Builder, changed to Slade. Way better in my opinion. It's structurally more solid, I don't know how to describe it.
That dwango music
Thanks Gaia!
eeesaaa gaia como andas pibe?
@@tor1zo Todo bien por aca, creo, y tu?
@@Gaia74 todo tranca por aca. che q paso con proyecto dre ese?
@@tor1zo Ta mas muerto que mis ganas de estudiar
Thank you for this! and thank you for showing your mistakes! we all make them and its nice to see someone work through them while teaching ^_^
You are so welcome!
For those who hate adding a flag under every map's properties (e.g. nojump), type "defaultmap" (in any line, I believe) and type the flag you want under it.
Methink that this works in all versions of MAPINFO.
Awesome man! Thanks for the tutorial.
Late response by me, but you're welcome!
Absolutely Excellent video - Keep up the good work! These videos are really helping me out with my wad making 👍
I’m glad to hear it!
Hell of a concept for a good vid mate. Great job... Sadly alls I need is to figure out how to get a new soundfont for my prboom3ds. Ill await that video
I used to import music and just rename it D_RUNNIN. This seems remarkably simple. I'm not sure why I thought this was more of an involved process.
Is there a way to insert a story text screen that shows BEFORE you start playing the map?
I'm sorry, I'm not aware of how to do that
Hi. Is it possible to make "the map" like it is done in base campaigns of Doom 1 and 2? "You are here" etc?
I believe it is possible, but you'd have to ask at Doomworld or ZDoom forums - i have no idea how!
Hi I'm having some trouble with my script, I want an entertext but it wont show up I have tried a lot but no errors seem to show up at all. If you know whats going on please tell me it is greatly appreciated.
Great video!
Thanks!
i enjoyed this type of level renaming better than your other video showcasing Doom Writer and WhackEd... also liked the whole ability to change skies and intermission texts.... i've struggled with that for a while now.
props
edit: my own twist // doom.fandom.com/wiki/Sky
i didn't realize the thing about F_SKY1 being the base tile that the engine reconfigures into the actual SKY texture ingame.... alternatively, if you wanted to change the sky to a stock texture, you can use the script # OPEN { changesky(etc.etc.) } ... ugh... SO BOSS !
help, its only working on 1 MAP, like if you make a map then bioashfoshafoasf, it will end after MAP01, even tho i have map02 and more, 1 only working
Sorry for my late reply, I'm not sure what would be causing that, have you tried asking here? Someone will definitely be able to help you www.doomworld.com/forum/58-editing-questions/
@@DoomKid nvm i jsut need to click the action where it teleports you to the next map/exit but with different code, also your video is the best!!
Is there a way to do this with more than2 exits to make a more open world type wad?
I do believe that is possible, however I’m not certain - if you ask at Doomworld.com, the people there will definitely help to steer you in the right direction!
3:35 What other source ports would be compatible with a WAD like this that uses the old ZDoom MAPINFO format?
If you're making a Doom 2 WAD, you can also use TEXTURE2, which would have only the new additional texture definitions in it, and is actually supported by vanilla Doom 2.
The source ports I was thinking of were ZDaemon and Odamex, although they may support the newer MAPINFO variants by now. (The old format is also supported by GZD and Zandronum, you probably already know this but just clarifying)
How you can modify names of enemies after you defeat icon of sin?
Under “strings” in DeHackEd, but new names can’t be longer than the old names sadly
@@DoomKid Now i meant in udmf
idk can't help with udmf
@@Bug110 oh ok. Anyway ill try google it to see how make it xd
doomkid i love your channel pro this is the photo of the super Mario browser i understand reference bro
Is there any way to have different music tracks playing in different parts of the map? Linedef triggers or something?
Music walkover triggers are definitely possible in ZDoom based ports (I’ve never used them, but should be easy enough to find through a quick google)
@@DoomKid Thanks! I'm in early concepts of something a little more puzzley, and musical cues would help a whole lot.
just a question how do you make it so that there are multiple lines in the story parts
Just press enter and start typing on the next line, also make sure each line doesn't go too far to the right.
@@DoomKid gotcha, thanks man
@@DoomKid is there a way to do it in the new mapinfo format?
@@Lubba127 sorry for the late reply - I’ve never used the new format, so I’m not entirely sure
@@DoomKid ok! Thanks for answering:)
Thank you!
Is it even possible to get SK3 texture to work without making changes to the base .wad file (without using slade for example)?
Hmm, what is an SK3 texture? (I might be able to find a solution)
SKY3 texture. I found a solution. You can set the map to 21 when creating a new map (doom builder) and then warp to map 21 when loading the map. It sets the sky texture to SKY3 (doom 2)
How would you Make a level end the game?
would it be like
next ENDGAME
or something like that?
That's essentially correct. You can choose from the different endings here:
EndPic = Displays the specified lump as an image. This method should be used instead of the next four.
EndGame1 = Displays the credit picture used after Doom episode 1 and Heretic episodes 1 and 5
EndGame2 = Displays the picture used after Doom episode 2, or the credits screen for Doom 2
EndGameW = Displays the picture used after Heretic episode 2
EndGame4 = Displays the picture used after Doom and Heretic episode 4
EndGameC = Rolls the cast finale for Doom II
EndGame3 = The horizontal scroller (right to left) after Doom episode 3
EndDemon = The vertical scroller (bottom to top) after Heretic episode 3
EndGameS = The conditional end game script for Strife
@@DoomKid Thanks!
Now I can have a story to my doom mod, I’m going to make a part where doomguy meets bill nye in the story text and the bill nye the science guy theme will play during the Text and the level
The first line of my exittext crashed with "Unterminated string constant"
If you post your wad or mapinfo lump it will help me to find the issue
@@DoomKid Thanks but I fixed it a while ago. I put the cluster itself in with the map instead of before it
0:48 how do you mark multiple data?
I can only choose one at a time.
select the top lump you want, hold shift, then select the bottom lump. Everything in between should be selected!
@@DoomKid You deserve a medal.
Hi, Doomkid. I'm planning to make a wad with new textures and when I did all the PP_START - PP_END stuff and then "Add to Patch Table" but I pressed "Create New (Empty)" instead of "Import from Base Resource Archive" because I didn't like the fact that when you do the Base Resource Archive thing it adds Doom2 textures to the list, while I want it to be a separate list with new textures only, just to avoid confusion (especially when I'm using Ultimate Doom Builder).
Is it good or bad? My test wad worked fine BTW.
Additional stupid question: FLATS do not need to add them to patch table or Texturex, right?
PS: Thanks for your tutorial. I will make good use of your tips. For now, I'm just trying to learn some other basics such as adding new texs.
You're right, flats don't need to be added to either the patch table or texturex! I think the method you used of creating a new blank patch table will mess up in Vanilla and more "conservative" ports, but it should still work just fine in ZDoom-family ports. (I could be mistaken, I've never tried creating a new blank patch table before)
@@DoomKid Thanks man. To be honest, I don't think my wad's gonna be vanilla friendly so I think it's all good. Anyway, I was wondering: what if I wanted to add new texture in an additional blank patch table. Should I do the same process I did with the previous patch table?
@@DoomKid Oh, btw. The wad I'm planning to make is about... Richard Benson!
@@benrichardson5798 That's awesome, I'm looking forward to playing it, lol! Also to your question "Should I do the same process I did with the previous patch table?", yep, that's right. (sorry for late reply, YT is picky about notifications)
@@DoomKid No worries and thank you for answering me.
For now, we lack of a mapper and I don't have enough skills to make good maps.
THANK YOU
Are the UMAPINFO lumps similar? I mean, can similar things be done there?
I believe so, but the formatting is a bit different. I've never used anything but the old MAPINFO format (idk why there are like 19 mapinfo formats now.. the old Hexen-based format as shown here was perfect, I thought)
what's the minimum for mapinfo? vanilla, limit-removing, boom, or zdoom?
Sorry I wasn’t clear about this in the video - the mapinfo lump I created in this video targets ZDoom and ZDoom-based ports.
@@DoomKid do mapinfo lumps exist at all in non-zdoom ports?
@@zulc22 I do know of a format called UMAPINFO for the Unity port, but unfortunately I don’t know much about it
So, let's say I want to change the story text after e1m8.
Do I have to write 'map e1m8' and then cluster 1?
Every map in your wad before e1m8 will need “cluster 1”, and after e1m8, you’ll have “clusterdef 1” where you actually type the story and set a FLAT for a background and such.
@@DoomKid Thank you!
Hey dude, please help me out. I managed to put the custom sky but when I'm playing it doesn't show in panoramic. What could it be?
Hmm, that's strange - what are the dimensions of your sky texture? (for example 128 x 256 is a normal sized sky texture)
@@DoomKid The size is 1024x24 Lmao. Maybe that's the problem, because I thought that I needed a large image to see the full png in the sky.
The question is, can it fit the full image on the skybox?
When I made the MAPINFO of the first level of my wad the icon of my MAP02 turned from an arrow to a question mark. Do you know what might have caused that??
Hmm, that's a very odd bug.. No idea what could cause it. Try asking at Doomworld.com, someone there will probably have a solution.
I have a problem, my custom song only works in GZDoom, in Zandronum nothing is heard
If you link me to the wad I may be able to see whats wrong
@@DoomKid www.mediafire.com/file/9s40bdkheacsg07/dessert_UwU.wad/file
There it is, the wad is very messy because it is the first megawad that I do xd
hey, whenever i convert my png to the doom texture it gets all black and white
Sorry for late response - In Slade, under preferences, try setting your "base resource archive" to doom2.wad. This should prevent that from happening.
How do I make it so the story in mapinfo uses the player's name? Do I type %o like in item lumps?
That's a great question, I don't think it's actually possible to have the story react to the player's name. If you're making something targeting GZDoom it may be possible however.
I'm having trouble. It's cutting out the map 01 music when i do this
Would you mind giving more detail? Is the map01 music not playing at all? I’m happy to help, just not sure what exactly is wrong
@@DoomKid I did all it said to do. But the map 01 music isn’t working at all. Like I have a music change mid level, which does work, but the start music doesn’t play at all no matter what I do with the map info file. It plays as it should without it tho
@@DoomKid also, I was trying to change the map name when I found this problem. Sorry, I thought I included that lol
i did exactly what the tutorial said but its not working for the end text thing is it cus im using slade3?
Slade3 shouldn't cause issues, maybe the port you are using lacks MAPINFO support?
@@DoomKid well i got it from the official site and the other mapinfo things like the name and stuff worked so idk?
how do you add a long sky into the map info lump?
You;'d basically just check my "long skies" tutorial, make one accordingly, then call it in your MAPINFO lump. (Sorry I'm so late lol)
You actually don't need to add sky textures to textureX if you're just using it with MapInfo and not as a texture in the level.
Old port like Odamex and (possibly) ZDaemon still check TextureX when it comes to skies, but what you said is totally true for GZDoom and Zand.
@@DoomKid Really It depends on whether you plan to make it Gz exclusive or not. It basically boils down to how lazy you are.
I'm trying to figure out how to make a sndinfo lump
I may make a tutorial on that soon, it can be confusing
will it work with prboom and other boom source port?
Sadly not in boom or prboom
Nice video
How can I change the intermission screen?
Check out the MAPINFO tutorial on ZDoom.org, I believe it’s called EXITPIC but I’m not sure. Unless you want the same graphic for the whole campaign, in that case just modify the graphic called “interpic” which you can find in Doom2.wad. Hope this helps
@@DoomKid Thank you very much! I was looking for that graphic, but I couldn't find it at all, I'll take a look again.
Will this work for PrBoom+ or glboom+?
Unfortunately not, the only ports that support the classic MAPINFO format are ZDoom based ports (GZDoom, Zandronum, Odamex etc). Some ports have variants like UMAPINFO, but sadly I don’t think PrBoom is one of them.
how do i change doom title card image
Import a 320x200 image into your wad, and rename it to TITLEPIC. Then right click and convert to Doom Gfx format. Hope this helps!
@@DoomKid oh ok
@@DoomKid when i convert its still a PNG
graphic (png)
For whatever reason, I keep getting "Unknown top level keyword" with my sky
If you keep getting errors, try asking at the Doomworld wad editing forum, someone there may be able to lend a hand
@@DoomKid I was actually gonna register because I was thoroughly stumped lol.
But I did manage to get it eventually.
Hi really good video but idk why it tells me that NEWSKY is a unknown keyword
Could you send me the wad? I'll see if I can find what's wrong
Hi I resolved the problem day ago. but thanks!
doomkid vids be like: mew mew hw is goin is poomcid mew totay is snow you mew mewewewew
Should be helpfull
At what point did you mention what application is needed to create this file? You know.... the most important information about this entire video. Oh I'm sorry. Did you take that for granted? Do you assume everyone knows everything you do? Then why make this video in the first place?
If you’re going to be an asshole about it I have zero inclination to help you. Work it out for yourself.
@@DoomKid rofl, if you pause the video, the name of the application is at the top left :) Sadly there's no fix for stoopid !!!
Thank you!
I'm late, but you're very welcome!