I spent $1200 on my Butt....then my Willys jeep got Vapor Lock......
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- Was it worth it? Also watch me eat fish and chips and solve Vapor lock!
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Just a guess, but if vapor lock continues on long drives on nice warm days, perhaps it’s tied to the fuel tank not venting? Motorcycles can starve for fuel if vent in gas cap gets plugged...
Great video. The unintended content was prime. Seriously, doing a few "drive" videos of your area, with commentary on local history and geology would be good, with the jeep, of course.
The BIG difference between your experience here and that in 1943 is the fuel ! Back then they had real petrol, the filthy stuff we are trying to run on now is a cocktail of many volatile chemicals, you will find that if you just pour a litre of Parrafin into your fuel tank it will reduce the evaporation point of the fuel and stop your gas lock, you can also lag the pipes where they run near the hot engine block, but the parrafin added will do the trick, and also reduce the octane of the fuel to somewhere near the original "pool petrol" octane which it was designed to run on, you could also pour a few gallons of Avgas in to tank as that does not have the awful volatile additives that road fuel has, just drop into your local airfield and ask nicely. Stay safe! Chris B.
Thanks Chris, your input is excellent as usual
Would this be a problem then with the Carter carb as well ?
You absolutely made the right choice about the cushion seats. I got mine during the restoration in 2008 from Beachwood Canvas. Great quality and very comfortable but obviously they will never have the nice pattern of the springs beneath. If this was available or if I was aware at the time I’d buy the ones you did. Who knows, for a next project maybe!? Cheers!
I bought my seat cushions from Paolo as well for my 45 MB and I am truly impressed with the authenticity and look of them. Can’t wait to mount them and try em out! Definitely worth the 1200 for my better looking end lol.
Hi Mat I had a Willys that used to vapour lock in parades or traffic not much fun on 6 volts,a couple of tips carry a 2 litre pop bottle of water and pour it on the fuel line round the engine and on the pump and carb .Another is add a small amount of parrafin to your fuel to lower the octane ,its modern petrol that creates this problem hope this helps . Roger in Sheffield
Enjoyed a beautiful day here in the Jeep State of Ohio. Unfortunately a little cool to have the top down here in Canton. I loved the scenery you have there. Soon I will be able to enjoy the Amish countryside and my TJ. Thanks for the videos.
Another cool thing about the seats you bought - you are having the exact same experience driving the MB as did the GI's in WW2. That's gotta be worth $1200. How is the fuel economy with the Solex compared to the WO? My 'new' Solex gets way better mpg's than my friends with their Carters.
You are right Tom, the sprung ride is how its supposed to be and when I hear complaints about the jeep ride its not something I recognise because its pretty good if you use original jeep springs and original spring cushions, interesting to know because the ride on my GPW with repro springs and foam cushions was bloody awful!
Just bought a 1943 GPW today on my Birthday after watching your videos all weekend. You do a great job, keep up the good work!
@greendot this is not vapor lock this is your jmp fuel pump that is about to die ! ive had that with 3 of their pumps you must switch to another brand like seal tested or a good rebuild original pump !!
A special thank you ,Matt. for the extra drive through the English lanes,just what I was wanting... freaked out for a sec @ 2:10 ,as the the oncoming traffic appeared ...with these U.S. eyes...( I was able to pull it off in The Caymans but it was stressful...) love the seats! Goin now for Fish & Chips
I just purchased and installed the spring seats from Paolo. They are great. When you first sit on them you think these are harder then the foam BUT as you drive and hit a few bumps you realize that they take the harshness out of the bump. Thank you for your video it made go ahead and spend the money for the proper seats.
Thats great, they are much better than foam and look correct, I wouldn't now restore a jeep without a set
It's the disruption of proper air flow do to the lack of the windshield (screen) lol.
Might verify the fuel tank is venting properly also.
Pushing your luck there lol! The fuel tank is pretty air tight but I unscrewed the cap and didn't hear a hiss or anything first before I moved on to anything so I think its ok!
@@Greendot319 I have jeep with the Solex also. I get the same issue you encountered. Most noticeable after a tank fill. Thought it might suction feed issue. My Solex is slightly different to yours, in that it has a chamber vent pipe which protrudes at the top of the venturi, otherwise the same. Must check the fuel lines to see if they run along hot block somewhere. Hope you get to the bottom of this issue finally.
The expense is worth it if you have gone through as much detail as you have done. You can help prevent heat soak with heat wrap. DEI makes a Velcro sleeve for lines and you can quickly remove it when you go to shows. It is only $26.00 american
This vapor lock issue is happening everywhere to many with older cars with carburetors. It's the modern (Crap) Ethanol mixed fuel . Supposedly the boiling point of Ethanol fuel is far lower than None Ethanol fuel. I've also had the problem with my jeep for the last few years, it's been a head scratching journey.
Wow, what an amazing country sideto live in and drive the jeep!
great video, scenery. jeep really purring along. must be a joy to drive.
we used to put about 5 or 6 spring type clothes pins on fuel lines from pump to carb ,sounds crazy but it works
Interesting discussion about the seats. I had never seen that about the springs before. Nobody makes accurate repro landrover seats, they only do foam filled which is right for later vehicles, but early ones were sprung and filled with horse hair. I'll try and track down some originals for my 1966.
That's too bad. There is really something to be said for the sprung ride, its very good, that's how they designed it!
@@Greendot319 I think the,thing is, few people in landrover circles would stump up what they would cost, so a cheaper alternative is always more viable. I do agree though, the sprung seats are definitely "proper".
Nick Hopper in the US and Amaury Vdyl in France both do sprung seats now - and GPW is different to Willys of course !
I drove 1026km in two 12 hr runs. and Vapor lock happened about 10 times or so. Still have the Carter carb in it though.
Could be the best flat fender Jeep channel on the planet
Fantastic work
You jeep is the best restoration i ever seen
Hi! Do you know which seat is the most resilient, the open one from below or the closed one ? Late or early? Also are gpw springs feel stronger vs willys ones? Don’t know which to chose ( no importance for authenticity but only confort and durability ;)
Thxs for all your videos it is amazing!
Max from 🇫🇷.
I know this was some time ago but I think the vapour lock is down to modern fuel. I think the E10 is even worse. I have a 65 Mustang and I ended up going for an electric pump back at the tank to push the fuel through but even with this the engine goes really lumpy idling if I am in traffic, like a queue on the M25, for any length of time. The fuel percolates in the carb. I know you are going for super authenticity so your options are a little limited.
As for repop parts I always go for the best I can get. Cheap parts will likely let you down or not last as long.
It's a shame that the cushions from TLODL are not made with chevron style zippers. At least on the GPW ones anyway.
Absolutely fantastic video!
Thanks Ben ;)
That was a fun trip. Looks like you stopped at Chew Valley lake.
I'm building one of these in a scale model for our October show I have all the dust pigments n mud effects there I'll copy whare it's all collected over and around the engine bay!
I've copied your wire cutter on the model and bits and bobs including your antenna mount and away to make the canvas cover for the radio with the clear part my model will basically be your jeep as a scale model
Great video oh how I miss British fish and chips what was the name of the company for those seats thanks 😊
Its good stuff Paul, www.thelongolivedrabline.com
Use to look like that over here on the northwest oregon before it all developed now
Where’s your cover?! (hat)
My head needs ventilation
Nice jeep. Built a complete 1943 GPW from 2 parts 1943 GPWs. Both had matching frame, engine and body. One was much better than the other having been kept inside but it still got a body off rebuild where the other had sat outside and rusted away for about 30 years. Should get your windshield on soon. A stone in the face really hurts like hell.
Any particular reason you did yours as an American vehicle?
Kinda same with us armour modellers, when you buy cheap ass kit's to build your only buying the problems that come with them money's no object when comes to my ww2 armour builds for the shows etc everything is accurate on them once finished it's videos like these I love and researching and learning about that certain vehicle your building eveing in scale models! Armour Modeling is getting even more popular we're part of an ipms model club but your jeep has certainly made it's way into my scale collection! One thing I'm away to build for it today is the flip up lamp brackets and black out canvas covers again all details from your real one!
Nice video like everytime!!
1-Where is this beautiful road at 2:00?
2-Every vapors lock seem different from jeep to jeep I guess!
3-I m happy to see you wearing glasses... I was nearly ready to give you a windscreen in my stock...But finally, you find a way for fight bees and wind...and that's good!!
Stay safe!!
Hi Matt, fan of your videos I have a 1942 willys mb I am contemplating getting the seat cushions from Italy however the springs weren’t introduced until 43 I believe. so I would have to opt for the early style with the map zippers and horse hair do you think it’s still worth it ...? Best regards
There's a lot of unknowns about seat cushions ass very few survive, all I can say is I think they know more than me at The long olive drab line so I am happy with the cushions they have produced for my May 43 MB!
I find it interesting the comments that say to add the paraffin to the fuel. I’ve never heard that before. I’m assuming it is the same as what we would call kerosene here state side.
I like the correct springs one's
Of course especially because you are a pretty big guy
I know from experience that there is i difference in the volatility of fuels. if you added fuel when the weather is colder it is way more volatile then fuel you get in warmer weather. Check with someone in the fuel distribution business to be sure in your area, educate yourself in that local area as different places treat this differently.. And as already stated in other posts, the fuel we get these days are a far cry from what was available at the time of manufacture of these machines...
That's an interesting idea Paul, I'm starting to move towards the idea of fuel problems rather than jeep problems but if it is a fuel problem then we need to learn how to sort it so we can continue using them as they should be used!
I have a 2nd gen saturn over drive unit, sir ... gives you highway speeds if you dare :)
IDK about the rest of the group but i think it would be great fun to run around to historic WW2 sites.
Update: oops DM Carpenter already said this. Sorry DM.
i'm going to do a local WW2 history video with the jeep, there are some interesting bits round here I think you'll all like
Love these videos. Even though Iam jeepless
Don't worry Graham, i'll keep on producing jeep videos so you can get the 'jeep experience' ;)
so when are you getting a windshield and top? just got a tan soft top for my military green JK.
Arrrgggg
A windshield is long overdue
@@ruebencover5795 not another one, its coming! Big video planned as I'm going to an interesting place to pick it up, it will be worth it....
@@Greendot319 i will look forward to the video. 👍
...what’s cool about video is the sound at cruising speed is what it must have sounded like 80 years ago. Which with eyes closed sounds like cross between a BSA, a Triumph and a little Norton! 🙂
Great scenic drive. I understand you privacy is important. However, Id really like to know where you are driving.
How beneficial would it be to run ethanol free gas in these jeeps?
Oy! Where’s the windscreen, mate?🤣
KP duty for you
Hi Matt, is that clutch rattle i can hear ??. Roger in Norfolk.
Yep Roger absolutely correct, this is an early clutch and does not have the anti rattle springs so if you hear that noise when you depress the clutch at higher revs its the normal clutch rattle for a jeep! Good spot
@@Greendot319 yes, my jeep makes the same noise . Roger.
What is the color of those seat. They Looks grey on the video.
How much is the cheaper variant of the seat cushions???
Need a windshield
Another brilliantly produced and presented vid warts an all it’s a connection everyone can connect with, keep it up Matt.
Just an observation, I’d take look at the intake valve may not be properly seating and combining with vaporisation causing air lock, happy jeeping. 👍
Did it come with side doors and covers?
I donig Good and you
It's worth checking that the valves in the fuel pump are sealing correctly. Had an issue with vapour lock on a '64 land rover, tried insulting the lines, fuel additives etc. and it turned out to be due to the fuel pump valves not seating resulting in backflow and vapour forming on a hot day after shutoff.
And the solution to solve this when you're out is to 1) Let it sit until it cools, 2) Get a wet rag to cool the fuel lines, carb and pump
How did you insult the fuel lines? Call them junk? (Got to love typos that result when you miss a letter. lol)
Looks like a new fuel pump is in your future. The check valves might not be sealing.
Reminds me of the old Ford flathead V8's always vapor locking on a hot day. How did they keep them from doing that in the desert in WWII? Find something to act as a heatsink on the fuel lines and keep a large bottle of water handy to cool off the lines. Happy Easter.
I think the problem is if your fuel line is not angled right, it just gets too close to the engine and causes vapor lock, but like you say I think even with the fuel line in the right place it probably still got vapor lock in desert conditions. There is an idea out there that the fuels they used to use are less prone to vapor lock than modern fuel blends, perhaps that is the real difference!
@@Greendot319 An old Chevrolet mechanic in his 80s told me about wrapping small coil springs from screen house doors on the fuel lines to increase the surface area to enable more cooling.
There is also the dump some canteen water on the line trick.
God post as usual Mr Dot. Bit spooky though , I went out this morning and conked out after about twelve miles , temp around 150 , can’t manually pump any fuel through. But how do you know the difference between a dodgy fuel pump and vapour lock ?
Martin
Easy Martin, crack the fuel line before the pump, can you draw fuel through? If yes its the pump, if no its the line! Also if the pump was working before and after the problem then its likely to be lock and not the pump.
@@Greendot319 thanks Matt , that make total sense , could be the fuel strainer I guess.
You seriously didn’t eat hours old cold fish and chips ?!?!?
And don’t give me “THERE IS A WAR ON YA KNOW” 🤣😂
Thank you
Martin
Hi Matt, do you have a link or contact details for the seats please?
Why is all the money in Dollars and he mentions A buck a month and Butt when it's a U.K video? 😦
Know your Audience
@@Greendot319
There's a huge number of these in the U.K, I own one myself , I think they will probably be your biggest audience..just sounds strange to me
Do you plan to wrap the fuel line in insulation to reduce the occurrence of vapor lock?
No Robert, it shouldn't get locked so it must be something I can sort out without insulating it! There is an idea out there that modern fuel blends are more prone to vapor lock than WW2 blend so perhaps it is a problem now that wasn't a problem in WW2?
@@Greendot319 1000s of Jeepers using modern fuel would have the same issue, if so. I would bet on tank venting, or a lock. Did you have a near full tank on the Gorge run ?
Hello always great information. I have recently purchased the foam filled seats for my 1945 MB. After using the correct filled seats do you still feel it was worth the extra $$$ ? I'm on the fence I could resell my foam filled to help offset the cost if you really feel the correct seats are more comfortable.
It all depends on if you think its worth it, If you are doing an authentic resto then they are a must if not then dont worry! There is a guy in America producing them now too so not just Italy
@@Greendot319 Thank you for the information. DO you know the company or person that produces them here in the states?
Does these seat cushions have the distinguished canvas smell?
It stinks to high heaven
Love your content sir.
You are too kind!
Where can I find them?
Whereabouts are you?
I live in Illinois, in the U.S.
@@jamesharbourt4787 local ads, Craigslist, g503 local farms and Estate sales!
Thank you soo much, ill be on the lookout
@@jamesharbourt4787 they're out there, takes time and effort but it can be done! Good luck ;)
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How can you survive a ride when driving at the wrong side of the road? I almost jumped from my seat when traffic appeared in opposite direction.