A very beautiful improvement on the original sketch. The design of that car was obviously inspired by Lamborghini. It never seizes to amaze me how you don't change the direction of the paper when you draw.
R- Thanks. Regarding not flipping the paper around, I did some early takes when I first started the channel where I turned the page around as I drew and it gave me a headache when I watched it back. It's a much nicer viewing experience to have the page remain still. It's extremely hard to do though.
Hi, i have a question concerning designing cars for the future. Why are all the future car designs basically extremely flat and pointy or rectangular? Is there a specific reason car shapes seem to melt together into those shapes? I might be completely wrong in how i see things but i am still curious. Thanks in advance!
Tim - Thanks for your excellent question. Back in the days before car design was car design, it was called "styling". Raymond Loewy was one of the first industrial designers and he set about redesigning America and the consumer products companies made. General Motors caught on to this idea of "styling" cars and hired Hollywood designer Harley Earl to run their new "Color and Style" dept. Earl came up with the idea of "planned obsolesce". This ingrained the idea that the way cars looked would now follow other trendy industries like fashion. There would be an ever evolving design vocabulary that Earl would oversee. The reason why the concept cars you are seeing look the way they do is because the generation that is getting to design them are all following the same trend. Look back at cars from the 1970s, all hard edges. In the 1980s, the "aero-organic" trend was big. That generation of designers embraced smooth, round shapes. So like fashion, cars get round and then the next generation coming up, rebels against that so cars get flat and hard-edged. When this trend plays itself out, the next generation of designers will get their shot. I hope they come up with something better than the "brutalist" vocabulary we are now seeing. (Are you listening BMW? Your cars look awful!!!!). So to answer your question, it's fashion. It's the next generation trying to make their mark against what has come before. Many of my students will be part of the next generation. I hope I am instilling in them the value of putting beautiful designs into the world. Let me know if this answers your question.
Thanks for your answer! I certainly answers my question. I also have a follow up question if that is alright. I am curious wether or not these trends in car design linked to other factors going on in the world or are they more of a seperate enitity. Are there any sources on this topic that you would know of? Thanks again!
Yes, of course what is going on in the world affects the trends. Car designers live in the same world as everyone else they just need to be able to foresee 4-10 years further into the future. Another key aspect to remember is that most of the worlds car designers come out of 4-6 schools. The US has 2 of these schools. As students, everyone sees what everyone else is doing. Then they get hired and bring these design vocabularies with them to their respective companies. The causes of lot of "cross-pollination" of ideas. On a more creative note, professional car designers will look outside automotive design for inspiration. I have several videos on my channel about this subject. Regarding sources on this topic, you're talking to one of them. 95% of professional car design is done behind closed doors. The public sees very little of what is generated. Very little has been written about the field other than the history I mentioned above. I've never seen anything written on the macro trends of car design and the events that affect them. If you are a writer, I'd love to tell that story.
I appreciate the offer, sadly I am not very talented in the writing department. Although I may not be a writer, I would love to listen to the story if at all possible! If I had discovered car design earlier I might have chosen to study that instead of engineering. I'm not sure I'd be able to afford another major after this one.
I want to see an original design from you. maybe take one of the animal inspirations and show us what you’re talking about and design a car off of the inspiration of an animal
I haven't seen the original conversation, but I disagree with how you talk here about mathematics. Sure, you can be proud of your "poetry", "magic" and "art"... But painting, music, and even nature have a lot to do with mathematics. In art (including car design), I don't think it will not harm if you think more about proportions and geometry to get an aesthetically pleasing result. Even you started out with the wheelbase as 3 wheels... What's that if not math?!? It's just the most basic proportion, but why is it so bad if someone thinks about (and even calculates) the ratio of the body vs greenhouse, the front and rear overhang, heights-widths etc? Probably you are doing that (or something similar) as well in your head, but without even noticing it, because you have been doing this for that long. But sending somebody to be an accountant, just because he wants to start from well thought-out proportions and a geometrically correct base? That's not nice, is it? (By the way, I think your perspective is off in quite a few places, which doesn't support your point that much.)
Excellent, a good old fashion debate! If you listened to my description of the comment, (and you can go and read it for yourself on the perspective video), the person making the comment was not having any fun. He described his math-based process for drawing as "painful". There is a big difference between using math to generate a drawing and using math to generate proportions. I am fully behind using math to generate proportions. I agree with your comments about math and nature 100%. The writer of the comment I was referring to was complaining that using math to draw was not working for him. I would think we could agree that the process of drawing, no matter what approach you take, should be fun. Otherwise, why do it? It was not fun for him. My suggestion for him to abandon his approach for a much more artistic one was to relive his pain, remove the crutch and steer him toward a process that would be much more fun. Moreover, I never said not to think about proportion. Half the videos on the channel are about working on proportion. This video is about proportion! Yes, I was probably a little heavy-handed in my rhetoric in the video about using math for drawing, but then we would not be having this discussion. So thanks for your comment. If you find a method that works, use it. How you get there doesn't matter. If a more mathematical drawing approach works for you, more power to you. It's great to see the passion in your words and to hear you stand up for what you believe in. Thats what makes a great designer. Regarding the perspective being off in the sketch, I noticed that too. I believe it was due to the lens distorting the image. The area that is off is along the right edge of the page where the lens is struggling and warping things a bit. If you look at the thumbnail image, the distortion is not there.
A very beautiful improvement on the original sketch. The design of that car was obviously inspired by Lamborghini.
It never seizes to amaze me how you don't change the direction of the paper when you draw.
R- Thanks. Regarding not flipping the paper around, I did some early takes when I first started the channel where I turned the page around as I drew and it gave me a headache when I watched it back. It's a much nicer viewing experience to have the page remain still. It's extremely hard to do though.
Nice video Michael, always learn a lot when I watch ur videos.
- Jacky :>
Glad you like them!
The king is back!!!
Thank you for the kind words.
Hi, i have a question concerning designing cars for the future.
Why are all the future car designs basically extremely flat and pointy or rectangular?
Is there a specific reason car shapes seem to melt together into those shapes?
I might be completely wrong in how i see things but i am still curious.
Thanks in advance!
Tim -
Thanks for your excellent question. Back in the days before car design was car design, it was called "styling". Raymond Loewy was one of the first industrial designers and he set about redesigning America and the consumer products companies made. General Motors caught on to this idea of "styling" cars and hired Hollywood designer Harley Earl to run their new "Color and Style" dept.
Earl came up with the idea of "planned obsolesce". This ingrained the idea that the way cars looked would now follow other trendy industries like fashion. There would be an ever evolving design vocabulary that Earl would oversee.
The reason why the concept cars you are seeing look the way they do is because the generation that is getting to design them are all following the same trend. Look back at cars from the 1970s, all hard edges. In the 1980s, the "aero-organic" trend was big. That generation of designers embraced smooth, round shapes.
So like fashion, cars get round and then the next generation coming up, rebels against that so cars get flat and hard-edged. When this trend plays itself out, the next generation of designers will get their shot. I hope they come up with something better than the "brutalist" vocabulary we are now seeing. (Are you listening BMW? Your cars look awful!!!!).
So to answer your question, it's fashion. It's the next generation trying to make their mark against what has come before. Many of my students will be part of the next generation. I hope I am instilling in them the value of putting beautiful designs into the world.
Let me know if this answers your question.
Thanks for your answer!
I certainly answers my question.
I also have a follow up question if that is alright.
I am curious wether or not these trends in car design linked to other factors going on in the world or are they more of a seperate enitity.
Are there any sources on this topic that you would know of?
Thanks again!
Yes, of course what is going on in the world affects the trends. Car designers live in the same world as everyone else they just need to be able to foresee 4-10 years further into the future. Another key aspect to remember is that most of the worlds car designers come out of 4-6 schools. The US has 2 of these schools.
As students, everyone sees what everyone else is doing. Then they get hired and bring these design vocabularies with them to their respective companies. The causes of lot of "cross-pollination" of ideas. On a more creative note, professional car designers will look outside automotive design for inspiration. I have several videos on my channel about this subject.
Regarding sources on this topic, you're talking to one of them. 95% of professional car design is done behind closed doors. The public sees very little of what is generated. Very little has been written about the field other than the history I mentioned above. I've never seen anything written on the macro trends of car design and the events that affect them. If you are a writer, I'd love to tell that story.
I appreciate the offer, sadly I am not very talented in the writing department.
Although I may not be a writer, I would love to listen to the story if at all possible!
If I had discovered car design earlier I might have chosen to study that instead of engineering. I'm not sure I'd be able to afford another major after this one.
Nice car
Thanks. As I mentioned in the video, the original design was pretty nice.
I want to see an original design from you. maybe take one of the animal inspirations and show us what you’re talking about and design a car off of the inspiration of an animal
Franky - check www.michaelsantorodesign.com
An addendum from a third party: While totally worth doing-necessary even-if breathing is hard, I implore you to seek medical attention.
Good on ya meatBall. I can always count on you for some sage advice. How are you?
'Promosm'
I haven't seen the original conversation, but I disagree with how you talk here about mathematics.
Sure, you can be proud of your "poetry", "magic" and "art"...
But painting, music, and even nature have a lot to do with mathematics.
In art (including car design), I don't think it will not harm if you think more about proportions and geometry to get an aesthetically pleasing result.
Even you started out with the wheelbase as 3 wheels... What's that if not math?!?
It's just the most basic proportion, but why is it so bad if someone thinks about (and even calculates) the ratio of the body vs greenhouse, the front and rear overhang, heights-widths etc?
Probably you are doing that (or something similar) as well in your head, but without even noticing it, because you have been doing this for that long.
But sending somebody to be an accountant, just because he wants to start from well thought-out proportions and a geometrically correct base? That's not nice, is it?
(By the way, I think your perspective is off in quite a few places, which doesn't support your point that much.)
Excellent, a good old fashion debate! If you listened to my description of the comment, (and you can go and read it for yourself on the perspective video), the person making the comment was not having any fun. He described his math-based process for drawing as "painful".
There is a big difference between using math to generate a drawing and using math to generate proportions. I am fully behind using math to generate proportions. I agree with your comments about math and nature 100%. The writer of the comment I was referring to was complaining that using math to draw was not working for him.
I would think we could agree that the process of drawing, no matter what approach you take, should be fun. Otherwise, why do it? It was not fun for him. My suggestion for him to abandon his approach for a much more artistic one was to relive his pain, remove the crutch and steer him toward a process that would be much more fun. Moreover, I never said not to think about proportion. Half the videos on the channel are about working on proportion. This video is about proportion!
Yes, I was probably a little heavy-handed in my rhetoric in the video about using math for drawing, but then we would not be having this discussion. So thanks for your comment. If you find a method that works, use it. How you get there doesn't matter. If a more mathematical drawing approach works for you, more power to you. It's great to see the passion in your words and to hear you stand up for what you believe in. Thats what makes a great designer.
Regarding the perspective being off in the sketch, I noticed that too. I believe it was due to the lens distorting the image. The area that is off is along the right edge of the page where the lens is struggling and warping things a bit. If you look at the thumbnail image, the distortion is not there.
@@howtodrawcars. Oh yes, that sounds different. If it's painful, that's not good for sure.