This was a LOT!! - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Reaction - 4x16 - Who Are You?
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The newest video in my editor reacts to series. This week I'm watching and reacting to Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the first time.
Having switched bodies with Buffy, Faith enjoys freedom. Meanwhile, Buffy finds herself at the mercy of the Watcher's Council.
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A young woman, destined to slay vampires, demons and other infernal creatures, deals with her life fighting evil, with the help of her friends.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is an American supernatural drama television series based on the 1992 film of the same name. It was created by Joss Whedon under his production tag, Mutant Enemy Productions, with later co-executive producers being Jane Espenson, David Fury, David Greenwalt, Doug Petrie, Marti Noxon, and David Solomon.
he series narrative follows Buffy Summers (played by Sarah Michelle Gellar), the latest in a line of young women known as "Vampire Slayers", or simply "Slayers". In the story, Slayers, or the "Chosen Ones", are chosen by fate to battle against vampires, demons and other forces of darkness. Buffy wants to live a normal life, but as the series progresses, she learns to embrace her destiny. Like previous Slayers, Buffy is aided by a Watcher, who guides, teaches and trains her. Unlike her predecessors, Buffy surrounds herself with a circle of loyal friends who become known as the "Scooby Gang" - a reference to the animated franchise Scooby-Doo that features a group of friends solving mysteries together.
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"I am you know......... Yours". The fact that some people still weren't sure about Willow and Tara's relationship by that line baffles me.
When I first saw this episode (and season) on TV, I was only 12 years old and I never understood the real relationship between them. I just thought it was cool that Willow had a new friend, outside of the scooby, that she shared a lot in common with. Still, I knew that two men or two women could love each other. I was just too young to understand what was being shown in half words.
It is also possible that this is due to the French translation (dubbing) which must have watered down the trick. I really rediscovered the series, its depth and its references, when I had access to the Original Version with subtitles thanks to the DVD
@@reenmomo4501 Well that makes sense of course. I really meant more the people who earlier question whether Willow and Tara are a lesbian couple, wondering if that is being hinted at, and then after that line still aren't sure.
@@reenmomo4501 Yeah, the French translation definitely soften the hints. I just not remember the actual translation perfectly they used in this episode, but in a later episode, during the recap, I remember well that they translated "I am you know... yours" by "Je le suis... des vôtres".
That said my case is even more desperate than yours... Cause I was 18, and while we were still at the first airing of S3 in France, I was spoiled that Willow will get a girlfriend named Tara in S4, by reading an american book in a store. Though it took me to 4x18 to actually understand that they relation already got further than friendship.
People still had trouble accepting that Our Flag Means Death wasn't just baiting/doing 'bromance' until there was a kiss. People are used to these relationships being there, but not actually *being there*
I literally swooned the first time I heard that line
I never really noticed before - Tara was the one who noticed Buffy wasn’t really Buffy…and Faith was the one who first noticed Willow “wasn’t driving stick” anymore. Maybe sometimes an outsider can notice something that close friends miss?
Tara had never met Buffy before. I think it's amazing that she could catch on to that, just from knowing what Buffy was like because of the way Willow talked about her.
One of my favorite eps. Both SMG and Eliza nailed the parts.
Tara is the MVP as a character in this one. She is very smart and observant. Amber Benson portrays her so perfectly you just hurt for her when you see her reaction to 'FaithBuffy's' comments.
Yeah, some issues definitely get glossed over looking at show that's 20+ years old through today's lens and the Faith/Riley thing is one of them. I mean I thought it was icky back then but I know not everyone thought it was as problematic as it really is.
Still a great ep.
Especially since Buffy makes him feel guilty. This makes it even more problematic. Like it's his fault. It sucks.
I understand that Buffy feels betrayed, but he was betrayed too. He had sex with someone he doesn't know without knowing it. Yuck!
Does this show that Riley doesn't know Buffy that well after all ? I don't know and it would suck to judge on that, on an act where he is a victim.
It'd even maybe make sense to have Buffy initially be angry with Riley in her confusion and trauma and mixed emotions, but if the show itself recognised Riley is also a victim. But it's just played as we should side with Buffy and blame Riley for not 'realising' 😬
The show did not force us not to feel with Riley or the other two. It was kept to the viewers. No moral sledgehammer needed.
@@caitlin329 I don't think it's portrayed as blame Riley, but it doesn't really portray him as a victim too, and it is more that you can understand Buffy's feelings, even if you don't blame Riley, without even touching on his victimization.
Faith using Buffy's body to have sex, is the worst offense/trauma imaginable to me. Its like if someone is unconscious, "out of their body", then they return to their body to find someone had sex with it. And you were completely helpless/without power to stop it.
I laughed SO FREAKING MUCH with the " lets go lesbians" at the start. I just love the memes you put there lol
Billy on the Street is HILARIOUS!
If Joyce couldn't tell it wasn't really Buffy how can you expect Giles to?
Or Riley.
omg that intro lmaooo
two excellent actresses. First-class performance!
This is my third favourite episode of season four behind Hush and the season finale Restless. I love everything that they do with Faith: at the beginning she just wants to mess up Buffy's "perfect" life and friends and family, but over time as she's surrounded by people who show her real love and affection (obviously thinking it's Buffy) she starts to get lost in the role and actually shows that she's perfectly willing to do real good and help people. Her problem is that she only does it as Buffy, because she's convinced that as Faith she can't actually do good, which is why she runs away at the end. She's recognised that her previous actions were wrong, but doesn't think she's capable of change. It's really tragic.
And I adore Willow and Tara. I guess now I can say they're my favourite couple not just on the show but one of my favourite couples ever, and it's entirely due to their sweet interactions, the way they talk to each other is so pure and wholesome I love it! Their magical shared spell was basically a transparent metaphor for sleeping together, especially paired with Faith and Riley, and it's so absurd how the network was totally against giving them one gay kiss onscreen because that would be too much, but then a hyper-sensual magical spell was allowed without raising an eyebrow. Goes to show they had no idea what they were talking about.
And finally, I love your reactions!
I think you're right that Faith always cared about having killed someone. I do think, however, that she did her best to trick herself into thinking that she didn't care, because caring about what she had done would be too hard and the guilt would be too much to bear, so she tricked herself into believing that it didn't matter, and that she didn't have to care about it. And I think right now, we're starting to see that internal lie come undone, and she's finally being forced to look herself as 'Buffy' and how it feels compared to how she feels as 'Faith,' and she's finally starting to feel everything that she's repressed since the accidental death of the deputy mayor. It's a horrible thing that Faith is going through, I'm guessing, but if there's a chance for Faith to come back to the good guys again, she needs to face her past. So as painful as this is for Faith, I think it's a good thing for her, that she's not lying to herself anymore.
We weren’t as well versed in assault back then, so sadly these things do get glossed over. :/ But hey, great episode overall! Amazing that Faith could tell that Willow and Tara were together, but the rest of the Scoobies are clueless. And Tara could tell Faith wasn’t Buffy. Hmmmm!
I’m not sure we’re even well versed now. I can think of two shows and two movies (all came out after 2010) where male characters are sexually assaulted by female characters and it’s not addressed or given the required severity to the situation. In two cases the characters ended up together with their abusers and we as the audience supposed to find that heartwarming
@@TheLexiCrowd the good thing is I hear a lot more people calling it what it is. Hopefully we can take further steps! If you're not familiar with Pop Culture Detective here on TH-cam, you might really appreciate his examination of s*xual assault against men in movies & TV. He also dissects the "are you CRYING" joke and "adorkable" misogyny amongst other things.
Props to Lexi for recognizing the SA in this episode. So few reactors see that for what it is. I agree that the show (and some of the audience, unfortunately) don't see the gravity of SA when the victim is a man and the perpetrator is a woman. 😶
P.S. This isn't a "but men get assaulted too!" what-aboutism, it's not a contest, just pointing out a trait of this show (and maybe a product of its time) 🤔
Scratch that maybe, it's DEFINITELY a product of its time. None of it is a trait of just this show, those were the sexual politics of the 90s and early 2000s, and they were all over the media back then.
@@fabianhebestreit3240 While it was indeed a different time, there were still plenty of people who were absolutely *furious* over this issue back when this episode first aired, and they grew even more so later on in the season. The crappy way this issue was handled dominated the discourse in many places, and a very closely connected issue a month or so later (you'll know it when we reach it) was the reason that many people, perhaps most vocally among them rape survivors, stopped watching Angel altogether. It was a pretty huge deal at the time, actually.
Even among people who kept watching, I remember this being one of the major things that soured a lot of people on the show from this point onward. It was one of the contributing factors to the emerging fan consensus that "Buffy started going downhill in Season 4." (I realize that this is no longer as prevalent a fan consensus now. Back then, though, it was a very common belief, and one that really started picking up steam as 'common knowledge' right around the time that Faith's double rape -- and the ways in which the show did and did not address it -- became a common topic of discussion.)
@@elkins4406 I watched it back then. I was in my 20s and very active in the fandom and my experience was very different from yours. But it doesn't change the fact that pretty much all shows and films treated sexual assault on men not the same as sexual assault on women in that era.
@@fabianhebestreit3240 Far too many of them still don't, unfortunately. Things are certainlyy better now than in the '90s but we've still got a looooong way to go on that count.
@@elkins4406 Yes. Things are better, but we still get completely baffling and misjudged stuff like in Wonder Woman 84.
Great reaction, I expected no less. I was afraid you were going to leave Spike out of your summation. I like how FaithAsBuffy said she was stuck up and joyless and that caught Spike off guard, "Well yeah, that covers a lot of it."
And for me it makes sense that Tara would know Buffy's not right, she'd never met her. All her friends saw what they expected to see, took her at face value literally. But Tara could tell Willow would never be friends with someone that mean. And that spell was more than metaphor.
I don't think people talked enough about how Riley is a victim in all this🤔
Was a bit peeved when Lexi said Riley 'sort of cheated' on Buffy. I mean....imagine telling rape victims that they 'sort of cheated' on their significant others? Not mentioning how the one he 'sort of cheated' with looked like his girlfriend, sounded like his girlfriend, did her best to act like his girlfriend, all sufficiently enough to fool *her own mother* and most of her friends until an Empath wicca finally realized something was wrong.
I know Lexi didn't mean it like that, but... not the best choice of words.
@@jessiehogue.I think she was more saying it as that’s how the episode was presenting it, especially Buffy’s reaction
It’s a complicated situation and I do understand how Buffy would be hurt by it but nobody could have expected Riley to tell that it wasn’t really Buffy
@@dylanburton4955 Maybe. That's not how it came off to me, but hey, misunderstandings happen.
And yeah, I get Buffy's reaction - which was, after all, part of Faith's goal here - but Riley did nothing "wrong" other than think his girlfriend was being odd that day. Which, let's face it, Buffy tends to be often on her own, without impersonating duplicates being involved, lol.
Agree. SMG and ED were fantastic. I love the way SMG sat on the couch in The Bronze when she was playing Faith.
"Yours." - best line of dialogue in the series.
I almost missed this reaction. Another one that didn't appear in the notifications. It happens every now and then unfortunately. Luckily when it does that, the home page advertises it.
I love that the credits say Eliza Dushku as Buffy and Sarah Michelle Gellar. They both do a great job.
One of my favorite moments in the episode is Eliza Dushku as Buffy trying to convince Giles she isn't Faith.
I love the phrase "because it's wrong." Faith says it sarcastically in the mirror/parodying Buffy, then in a sultry joking manner to Spike, then with all seriousness to truly believing it when saying it to the vampire Boone.
Faith hates herself to the point of hitting her own body when Buffy is in it. The moment explains so much about what was going on in Faith's mind. She wanted a fresh start so she thought Buffy's life was the only out she had and hated being confronted by herself (even if it was Buffy in her skin). When Buffy in Faith's body arrived, she came crashing back to the reality she was running from (probably since before she arrived in Sunnydale, but definitely since killing Allen Finch). Seeing the character develop through Sarah Michelle Gellar's acting was wonderful. I just wished Buffy had learned a bit about Faith while in Faith's body.
The spell was the only way Willow and Tara could have a sex scene at the time. Anything else was too much for the higher ups. And on that note it is interesting that Faith is the first to acknowledge what even Willow hasn't noticed yet.
Have you ever thought about the relation between vampires and power ?
In the first season The Master is useless and trapped underground, he can do nothing by himself, he even has to be fed by others. But somehow vampires feel he is invested with some kind of power and follow his authority.
Then they follow the annoying one, he is just a child but apparently a prophecy makes him powerful.
They follow Spike, Drusilla, Angel. They follow the mayor. When he sends vampire to kill Willow and they find vampire Willow from another dimension, she tortures one of them and they end up "working for" her.
And now Adam has influence on them.
What makes them recognize a powerful individual and follow them like in a pack of wolves or a rat society with its social order ? Vampires apparently aren't lone creatures.
And how is it that the alpha doesn't even have to be a vampire themselves ?
I've had similar thoughts about who becomes a boss vampire. Some, like the Master, are obvious - stronger connection to the original demon. But Willow? Harmony? Far less obvious.
I don't know what you're talking about - that was just two girls doing a spell together.
Two girls doing a spell five feet apart cause they’re not gay
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"sometimes i think about two women doing a spell, and then i do a spell by myself." -- xander, just in case anyone in the audience was confused about what a "spell" is.
"Adam is back so randomly". Yeeeeah. He does that. 🙄 As for Faith, she's assaulted Xander before. Now add Buffy and Riley to the list. Eliza and Sarah did a great job in this episode.
I’ve said this in a previous reaction, but I’ll say it again:
Faith was a character written to show what would happen if Buffy had no friends, family and support network to ground her.
In this episode we see that the moment she is thanked for saving someone from a vampire for the first time, we see her visibly be affected by it. And after experiencing the encouragement and love from her Mother, friends and the sincere meaningful love of a partner in Riley, it motivates her to genuinely perform heroic acts.
Conversely, after Buffy loses Riley, her Mother and the support of her friends in later seasons, she becomes exactly like the cold, callous version of herself as shown in “The Wish” in season 3 - a depiction that was clearly shown to be very similar to Faith.
All Faith needed was support. It was unfortunate that sincere love and support came from The Mayor, as it encouraged her deeper to perform evil acts, but at least she had a sincere loving familial relationship with a Father figure that genuinely loved her like a daughter.
It wouldn't surprise me if both actresses came up to each other to see how that actress would say her line, since both had to switch roles. Some actors don't like to do it that way. They like to observe them from afar or watch them on video and study them especially in how they deliver their words with emotions, how they stand, how they move, how they react to certain things etc. Both did a fantastic job. Later on, Eliza got her chance to just that. She had her own show called Dollhouse where she had to be different people. Anyways, I love whenever Eliza appears on the show. She brings so much excitement to the show and the stakes are always high with Faith.
On a more light-hearted note; there's a really obvious ADR line from Willow outside of the church. In the wide-screen versions this is a notorious goof, because it obviously shows that she's not talking.
Maybe she was just utilizing her witchcraft to speak using her mind only…😏
Thank you for posting this so soon after the last one, very nice of you. As good as this was though my favorite of the season is up next. I think you'll like it.
I love the Tillow content in this episode so much. It's just beautiful. And Faith catching on pretty much instantly just keeps adding to the list of evidence that she's not entirely straight herself. As for the "baiting" question... all the Oz talk, and Tara's reaction to it, seems to make at least Tara's romantic interest unambiguous. Willow feeling the same way is hinted at a bit more subtly, but Tara? If that's a bait, it's the biggest plot hole I've seen in a while.
One thing I don't really understand is the people who insist that Riley "should have known". How exactly? Yes, Buffy was acting very strangely, but (1) we love her, but she's a very strange person, and (2) why would "body swap" even be on anyone's list of hypotheses? Riley doesn't even know that such a thing is possible. If one of my friends started acting that differently, I'd probably be concerned, and ask what was going on, but I'd guess things like "big stress/trauma they don't feel comfortable talking about yet" over "someone has stolen their body". And, if I hadn't slept with my SO for a while because I was recovering from injury, and she started coming on to me in a somewhat unusual way? I'd just think she was thirsty and trying something new, and I _definitely_ wouldn't be looking for reasons to second-guess things in that moment.
Poor Riley. Poor Buffy. Poor everyone, basically -- less so Faith, because she's guilty as hell, but her world just keeps getting destroyed.
It is rough that there's so much showing a redemption line for Faith while having her do one of the most irredeemable things in the very same episode. But things are never simple with this show.
15:40 I think this scene actually had another influence on her - it didn't remind her of anything, this was literally the first time someone wholeheartedly thanked her which came as a surprise for Faith and also definetly stirred up emotions in her.
17:50 Maybe you should look at the Riley/Faith scene from this viewpoint: For Faith sex has always been a game, but Riley doesn't play. This means Faith had sex with emotions attached for the first time in her life, and she is completely taken by surprise because she can't deal with the emotions she's feeling. Was it rape? Not really (she didn't Riley force into having sex after all - she mislead him by pretending to be Buffy but that's different), but that's actually also not the point here. Faith's emotional reaction is the focus here and it is important.
PS: Season 4 is actually not the 90ties anymore, this season is from 2000.
The complete terror on her face when she realizes Riley loves Buffy and is about to show her that, she's like a terrified animal. I felt so awful for her in that moment. She's so unfamiliar with intimacy and kindness.
Nah, bro. It was rape. He didn't consent to have sex with faith but with Buffy. If there's no concent its rape. Also, Buffy's body was violed, because she wasn't there. It the same if you are sleep. What makes something a rape in the lack of consent. And none of them gave it to Faith.
Or to each other btw
Such a great episode - and the title always seemed to not only be a reference to the body switch but also Faith’s question to herself. Quite the journey for Faith, from the great jokey workshopping of “it’s wrong” in front of the bathroom mirror to her saying it because she truly feels it when she chooses to risk capture to save a church full of people. And then the level of self loathing when she’s pummeling herself. Amazing acting all around - would’ve been great to see more of Eliza’s take on Buffy because she was so great in the scene at Giles’ - from “stop inching!” and “you’re checking for Buffy, not a concussion” to “what’s a Stevador?”
I disagree with you on one thing, only slightly and just a minor point of perspective. When Faith as Buffy saved that girl I don't think it "reminded her" and I actually don't think she really used to want to help people. Sure she did, because that was what she was supposed to do, but I feel that Faith didn't really see it from the same helping people side, that Buffy has learned to. I think for Faith the slaying thing was mostly a joy ride. She hadn't really experienced that gratitude before, and NOW she's seeing that side of the Slayer. She did what she needed to do, and she had fun doing it, but she only just then began to see, or really understand the helping the helpless side, to WANT to do it, more than just that's what she was supposed to do.
Oh interesting
You're absolutely correct, Faith does hate herself by this point. But you'll find out VERY soon that it's much worse than that.
One of the better episodes from S4. Both SMG and ED do a great job in each others roles. We see once again Faith as a sexual predator inside Buffy's body where she technically, unbeknown to him, rapes Riley, as of course she did in S3 episode Consequences where she sexually assaults Xander and tries to strangle him to death. When Riley is intimate with her she cannot handle it, as she has never truly had an intimate relationship. An awkward scene with Buffy and Riley towards the end when the real Buffy said 'you slept with her' Riley feels helpless here as he genuinely did not know. Tara again shows her power and insight being the only one to know it was not the real Buffy. Some comic relief when Buffy ( in Faith's body says ) 'my mother said you were like a stevedore during sex' a recall of the Earshot episode from S3 when Buffy could read Joyce's mind. Overall Who Are You is a good entertaining episode.
"The council sucks so hard and everybody in it just needs to die..." 🤣 agreed.
OHhh thanks for postin this one so fast :) LOved and enjoyed your reaction a lot!. One of best eps :) and as you pointed out amazing actings from Sarah and Eliza
Faith coming back in season 5? Interesting prediction...
I think Spike's brain stopped working when Faith-in-Buffy talked to him too...
There was a great use of "Because it's wrong" in this episode. The first time Faith says it, she is trying to mock Buffy, then she is flirting with Spike, then in the church, she uses it correctly.
Thank you so much for not making us wait a week to see this one! I hope you’re kind to us again and give us the next Angel episode soon!
It’s already scheduled for sunday :)
@@TheLexiCrowd thank you!! I’m so excited to see it!
thank you so much for talking abt how yeah that… was fully sexual assault. not enough ppl talk about it and it’s never mentioned as a part of why this is a horrible thing that’s happened later on in the show
It would have been a missed opportunity if there was no assault. A pulled punch. This is 100% something Faith would do. She thought it would be a great way to get back at Buffy and get some at the same time. Even though she took what she believed was permanent ownership of not just Buffy's body, but her life, she still realized that what she was doing was wrong and disgusting. She didn't deserve Riley's love and she knew it, couldn't get past it.
I don't think the show glosses over it so much as treat the topic realistically from the characters' perspectives without it turning into a hamfisted after school special. Riley doesn't want to think of it as being raped, in the moment, he thought he was with Buffy and thinks the conversation should end there. Buffy wishes Riley could have known it wasn't her, and not thinking he was with Faith in Buffy's body, but just with Faith. Both are valid points of view. Riley should be able process this at his own pace without other people telling him what he should be feeling. Buffy is allowed to be upset, even though she ultimately blames Faith, which is what happened. Buffy might be upset about how Faith used her body if there were tangible consequences like a missed birth control pill or an STD from some other guy, but she didn't experience that. In the end, it tested Buffy and Riley's relationship and it made them stronger for it, while it gave Faith a level of awareness she's never had before, ultimately putting her on a path to atonement. It's not good that it happened, but Faith was never going to atone unless she was truly disgusted with herself.
While i can easily replace Eliza with Sarah as Buffy in every scene (all her moves, eyerolls etc.) it tooks until Faith' breakdown after Riley saying ILY till i can do it the other way around. Some reactor - i think it was Sofie - pointed out, that Faith get protective over Buffy when she said "What do you want from he-her?". I go along with that, cause she distrusts men.
Tara is the best being ever in either realm, fiction and reality. World would be a better place if everyone has a Tara in his/her life (says the old white straight cis-man).
I think the WB - network that aired the first 5 seasons - did unintentionally a favor to the topic of Tara & Willow: With the lack of showing intimicy between them they created a need in the audience. On their own, both they are cute (and more), but together they are that to the power of infinity.
Lovin' your reactions, sharing 2nd place with Sofie and only topped by Shannan from After Show Reactions.
Finally: Welcome to your wildest ride in screen history. You will cry a lot, you will grief and suffer and once you will see the crulest, most real and therfore finest hour in screen history, but in the end it will have been it worth.
Oh, that falling back and arching up was very, very clearly a moment of ecstasy and about as obvious as they could manage at the time.
The scoobies can be SO FREAKIN' DENSE!! Thank Gaia for Tara!
Fantastic episode. Eliza and Sarah M nailed it plyaing each other. Yes, it is hard to believe that it was not allowed to show gay couples showing affection on TV 20 years ago. Feels like the stoneage.
most people take Faith punching her own image in the face saying "you murderer" as her talking to herself, but miss the fact that Faith really feels that way about Buffy, let's not forget, Buffy killed the Mayor who was like Faith's Giles or father figure and Faith only just found out about that an episode ago. I'm sure some of it was her talking about herself too.
Naaaa, Faith has talking to herself.
This is the point of the start for her redemption.
I don't think so. In this episode, Faith takes offense that people would refer to her as a killer instead of a slayer. As if she felt the need to protect Buffy's image. She even went from mocking the "it's wrong" line to saying it sincerely at the end.
@@jp3813 That's more her inner heroic selfless Slayer Instinct that she knows is right (the same Slayer Instinct that Buffy has even as a drunk cavewoman).
@@spaceshiplewis The slayer instinct that Buffy maintained and Faith rejected. Hence, the latter had no intention of ever saving that girl in the alley until Willow expected her to.
Yes! to Billy on the Street!
I think Buffy let Faith go because of the "afterglowing" of Faith in her body. The pulse, the hormons that floating in her blood, the watery eyes... she felt a good amount of the feelings Faith have had immidately before the backswitch. When she touches her heart you can see this, this is not to the glad-being-back-in-my-body gesture.
Some say now and then Buffy is stronger than Faith, referring to the fights in this twoparter, but they overlook that both times the habitant of Faith' body WANTS to get weakened for getting in a dominant position after switching.
You go on silly
You have to watch "Dollhouse" to understand how good at acting Eliza Dushku is.
I am actuall watching that currently as a patreon exclusive. I’m only three eps in but she is already doing so amazingly!!
Not sure how you figure there were two rapes. Obviously Faith takes advantage of Riley. But I don't think Riley did anything wrong.
Oh no no of course not. I meant that Buffy was also techinically raped since it was her body used for the act but she definitely did not consent to it. Riley and Buffy are both victims
@@TheLexiCrowd Ohhhh, I see.
I always look forward to your little video intros - this one was hilarious 😂🏳️🌈
I also LOVE how much you adore Tara!
Liked the video great episode, Xander never said no in the episode he hooked up with Faith, he got kicked out right after but I always thought that was a funny twist on it usually being the guy trying to get away from her after sex.
That’s because he thought that’s what he was supposed to do but he clearly wasn’t ready to go all the way with anyone yet, let alone her. Faith coerced him into having sex with her just to get her rocks off. It was rape.
@@Girl4Music Joss was closer to raping the female actors than faith was to Xander.
The scene with Faith/Buffy sleeping with Riley is tough and I won't get into the real terribleness of that scene, because it's pretty obvious how terrible it is.
Unfortunately, it is a super important scene with respects to Faith's character and the cringiness of it can cause us to miss some pretty important info.
If you watch her really closely after Riley says he loves her, you will see the camera make some jerk cuts. It focuses on her faces, but will cut to another shot of her face from a slightly different angle again and again in quick succession over a period of a few seconds.
In filming, this is a trick to imply that the character is experiencing a mental break.
So, yes, her actions are truly terrible, but they are so terrible is causes a schism in her mind.
There a a few theories as to why. One is that, living as Buffy for a while now has given her an insight she never could have gotten before. Part of her anger towards Buffy was that she felt Buffy stole her life. Along these lines, she grew up without family that loved her, she had no friends, dropped out of school, and any guy she ever tried to have a relationship with used and abused her. Then one day, she is bestowed with the power and responsibility of being the slayer. For once in her life, she's good enough. She has a watcher that believes in her and spends a lot of time focused on her. She actually makes a difference and has power. Then just as quickly that all falls apart and she meets Buffy. Buffy, who does the one thing Faith good, and she does it better than her.
Another, much darker theory, is that in that scene with Riley on her, professing his love, it opened up a mental block of a traumatizing memory from her past. I won't go to far into describing that one. I will just say, if you go back through all the scenes of Faith before in Buffy, you never once here her talk about her dad.
So, yes, they probably could have thought up a better scene that could provide the mental impetus for her mental breakdown, but at least it's disturbing nature wasn't just added willy nilly. It is something so terrible that it shocked even Faith. By the end, she really understood that a slayers fighting wrongs in the world had a real purpose at.least enough that she held off in leaving long enough to save a church full of innocent people.
I stand by the Faith/Riley scene. It is horrible, but I think it's also brilliant. Here's why.
Faith comes into this episode not believing in healthy relationships. This is shown in the way she talks about men in the series, and the way she fell in with the Mayor after the Scoobies tried to reach out to her. She can justify her evil actions because she thinks that people are awful, and the world is already a terrible place. One of the things that brings her around in this episode, and leads her to save the people in that church, is that she gets to feel what it's like to be treated the way that Buffy is treated: to have friends that have her back, a mother that wants to spend more time together, and a boyfriend that doesn't just want to have sex, but to make love. She seduces Riley thinking that he just wants to have his fun, like any other guy, but he proves her wrong. She sees who Riley really is, and she freaks because she's questioning her entire worldview, and because she suddenly feels guilty about what she did with him. In that dark scene, there's a glimmer of redemption.
i’ve been wondering… when did you pinpoint that willow and tara were Actually Gonna Be A Thing and weren’t queerbait/the best the 90’s could do lol??
I do not like the Buffyverse writers glossing over some rape/sexual assault scenes and making it very clear and obvious it’s rape/sexual assault in other scenes. It’s the one thing I really hate about this show if anything.
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Please tell me you watched the Angel Eps next? They aired that same night on TV and continued the Faith story. Watching btvs S4 and Angel S1 at the same time makes things easier when they crossover and back and forth.
I thought that there was a couple of Angel episodes before things kicked off again .
No, they didn't. Who Are You (Buffy S04E16) aired on February 29. The Angel episode you're thinking of (Angel S01E18) did not air until April 25, nor was it the next Angel episode. There were several more Angel episodes in between this Buffy ep and the Angel episode you're thinking of. I know it may seem as if it should have been an immediate crossover, but it wasn't one at all.
@@elkins4406 Oh I really thought it was the same night or the following week. I should have been, would've been really cool. But it still completes the Faith arc and I hope Lexi watches it soon.
@@MakeItSo-ThisIsME It is sort of weird that it wasn't an immediate follow-up. Scheduling issues, probably. Anyway, not to worry: I'm sure Lexi will reach it in good time.
@@MakeItSo-ThisIsME I hope she doesn't read the comments as you've just posted a huge spoiler
Did I understand you when you said both people having sex are both rapists? Like, when Faith, in Buffy's body had sex with Riley, you think Riley raped Faith? That is a pretty interesting statement and if you have the time and inclination, if you could explain, that would be great. I consider myself a reasonably intelligent human and for the life of me, I can't think of a way that someone would say that Riley raped faith. I have been subscribed since the start and love you as a reactor. I am not trying to be an asshole, only to better understand- Thanks!
Nope. She meant Faith raped Buffy & Riley. The point is that both are unconscious. Buffy isn't there and Faith tricks Riley into sex with a different person than he thought he did it with.
Beside this: It shows the brilliance of the storytelling, that this event leads to a probably double first time: First time Riley saying "i love you" and the first time Faith heard this words honestly spoken. And then they aren't for her and the one they adressed to isn't there. And it is the key moment for the start of Faith' change. This is tragic⁴.
@@CvSp22 ahh, cool, thanks, yes, that makes much more sense. I was totally confused-