Why this integral is MUCH harder than it looks

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ธ.ค. 2024

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  • @wowbagger7168
    @wowbagger7168 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    You may critisize your hand writing but your speech is excellent. Even for me as non native speaker I understand almost every word in your videos. Sometimes for the jokes I have to switch on subtitles or if you use German math terms. But anyway Leibnitz is pronounced perfectly by you, which is not natural with this diphtong😊

  • @Calcprof
    @Calcprof 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Mathematica gets it (after a while, producing the equivalent form (-1 + Sqrt[1/2 + 1/Sqrt[2]]) Pi. But is great fun by hand, with residues and all. (partial fractions, etc...)

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes indeed

  • @SuperSilver316
    @SuperSilver316 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That second sub was crazy!!

  • @jackkalver4644
    @jackkalver4644 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    An indefinite integral can be found, which you proved by finding a rational function. Then you use limits to find the value of the indefinite integral at infinity. It’s time-consuming, but possible.

  • @jieyuenlee1758
    @jieyuenlee1758 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    7:37 divide the numerator and denominator by t²

  • @ガアラ-h3h
    @ガアラ-h3h 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I = int sqrt(sin*cos + sin^2(x))/cos x
    => int sqrt(tan x + tan^2 x) dx
    => int sqrt(u+u^2)/(u^2+1)
    => (u+u^2) * arctan u - int arctan x + 2x arctan x dx

  • @MrWael1970
    @MrWael1970 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very smart solution, but i expect to solve the integral in real domain. So, thank you for your featured effort.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I will always take the complex route whenever I can 😂

  • @sumanbag729
    @sumanbag729 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video ❤

  • @Flash_098
    @Flash_098 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Would you please suggest me any lecture or book where i can learn 'complex analysis' it will we very helpful for me 🙏🙏

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      My complex analysis lectures are linked in the description

    • @Flash_098
      @Flash_098 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ok sir , Thank you ❤

  • @ltrllmpt
    @ltrllmpt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    at 1:08 should that not be dx = du/(1+u^2) ? did dx and du switch or is this just a typo?

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes it's a typo

  • @insouciantFox
    @insouciantFox 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yes you can use real analysis to solve that rational function integral but it involves some really hairy trig manipulations and/or some truly gnarly partial fractions.

  • @Noam_.Menashe
    @Noam_.Menashe 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For the I1, it's an even function, can't you say it's half the integral from -inf to inf and then substitute t+1 to get an integral of the form of beta functions?
    I haven't tried it myself but I believe so.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nope that won't work.

  • @finnhogan5525
    @finnhogan5525 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    they asked this in the 2021/22 uk integration bee and I got destroyed

  • @txtemofficial1402
    @txtemofficial1402 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    18:44 we use " 1er lemme de jordan " to prove directly that the integrale here is equal 0 juste if the arc of cercle does not encounter any pole if R tends towards infinity... is that true ? Cause we study that here in morocco .

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah the integrand is suitable for the ML estimation lemma rather than the Jordan's lemma for which we need a complex exponential term as part of the integrand.

  • @SwarnenduSarkarsk49
    @SwarnenduSarkarsk49 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1.5

  • @gabriel_almond4622
    @gabriel_almond4622 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is this your solution? If so, how do you know you’re making any progress on a problem this hard? and how do you know how to start?

    • @josephlorizzo8997
      @josephlorizzo8997 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah, that'd be really useful info, i Also Always wandered the same thing

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yup it's my solution development. Progress? Well if the math keeps working and I get things I can solve then that's definitely progress. Where to start is harder to explain since alot of it is gut feeling at this point. The more integrals you solve the better is my advice.

    • @josephlorizzo8997
      @josephlorizzo8997 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@maths_505 thank you buddy!!! love your vids so much, the integrals you solve are some of the funniest, thank you very much

  • @lwany6713
    @lwany6713 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey! Would you want to solve some interestingly convoluted PDEs within the week ? Would love it. Love you brother

  • @hamdansaad3406
    @hamdansaad3406 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For I sub1 you could have divided the numerator and denominator by 1/t^2 and you will get a nice arctan structure.
    good content keep up the work

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tried but it didn't work.

    • @hamdansaad3406
      @hamdansaad3406 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@maths_505 ahh you are right I made a mistake ty

  • @ayyoubfellagariouat3077
    @ayyoubfellagariouat3077 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you please solve this integral using beta and gamma function ??

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro I can't

  • @timwhite7127
    @timwhite7127 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If it's MUCH harder than it looks then to an idiot like me that would imply it's impossible.

  • @sachacloot1925
    @sachacloot1925 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    hey it's me again and i got and other interage that i think have a nice result, it's the integrale for 0 to inf of (e^-(x^2)-e^-x)/x i have try using feyman trick but nah i can't, and i don't want to play with lim of Ei(x), so if u i can give u a video idea i'lll be happy to watch it haha (and btw i watch the other one with xln(1+cosx) i learn a great trick for ln(cosx)

    • @SussySusan-lf6fk
      @SussySusan-lf6fk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I've a very elegant solution for you. Read it step by step.
      Let,
      I(a)= int 0 to inf (e^(-ax^2) - e^(-ax)) /x dx
      I'(a) = 1/2a int 0 to inf. - 2ax e^(-ax^2) dx + int 0 to inf e^-(ax) dx
      I'(a) = 1/(2a)
      I(a)= 1/2 ln a +c
      Now we put a=i =sqrt(-1)
      I(i)= int 0 to inf. (e^(-ix^2) - e^(-ix))/x dx
      = int 0 to inf, { cos(x^2) - isin(x^2) - cosx + isinx} /x dx
      = int 0 to inf, {cos(x^2) - cosx} / x dx + i int 0 to inf, (sinx - sinx^2) /x dx
      We know sinx/x dx from 0 to infinity = pi/2, and sinx^2 / x dx from 0 to infinity = pi/4, we can just substitute x^2=u to get that
      =int 0 to inf, {cos(x^2) - cosx} / x dx + i pi/4
      Let g(t) =int 0 to inf, {cos(tx^2) - cos(tx) } / x dx
      Laplace of g(t) =L(g(t))=
      int 0 to infinity e^(-st) [int 0 to inf, {cos(tx^2) - cos(tx) }/x dx ] dt
      =int 0 to inf 1/x ( int 0 to inf, e^(-st) {cos(tx^2) - cos(tx)} dt ) dx
      = int 0 to infinity 1/x { s/(s^2 +x^4) - s/(s^2 +x^2)}
      = - int 0 to infinity - 1/(4s) 4/x^5 s^2 /((s^2/x^4) - 1) dx + int 0 to infinity - 1/(2s) 2/x^3 s^2 /((s^2/x^2) - 1) dx
      = [1/2s ln{(s^2 + x^2) /sqrt(s^2 + x^4)} ] put limits first inf then 0
      = - 1/2 lns /s
      (g(t)) = - 1/2 L^-1 (lns/s) = y/2 + lnt /2, y=eular masheroni constant
      g(1)= y/2 = int 0 to inf, {cos(x^2) - cosx} / x dx
      So, I(i) = y/2 + i pi/4
      We already had,
      I(a) =1/2 ln a + c
      I(i ) =y/2 + i pi/4 =1/2 ln i + c
      y/2 + i pi/4 = c + i pi/4 {lni = i pi/2, as principle value}
      c=y/2
      I(a) = 1/2 ln a + y/2
      I(1)= y/2, you can verify it for any a

    • @sachacloot1925
      @sachacloot1925 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SussySusan-lf6fk WOW that's amazing to think about calculate I(i) to find "c" am very impressed thank u !!

    • @Mathematician6124
      @Mathematician6124 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@SussySusan-lf6fk😊 Very nice. Susan!

  • @questionmark8326
    @questionmark8326 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey if we calculate the value of this integral numerically (i used python) and it comes out to be 0.310025285896493 can anyone prove to me this value for the end result??

    • @amritlohia8240
      @amritlohia8240 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you type the final result from this video into a calculator, you'll indeed see that it matches your numerical value.

  • @shardulkakade9365
    @shardulkakade9365 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ooh a complex snac