SB or bust for Lamar, Stroud-Burrow a threat to Mahomes, who wins AFC East? | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Chris Broussard, Coach Eric Mangini and Kevin Wildes debate whether this season is Super Bowl or bust for Lamar Jackson, then discuss who would be a big threat to Patrick Mahomes' MVP odds between C.J. Stroud, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Jordan Love. The crew also debates whether the New York Jets or Miami Dolphins are a bigger threat to the Buffalo Bills' AFC East crown.
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Nick somewhere watching having an aneurysm
Furiously trying to call in
For sure. You can hear him saying “consider failure” has never been understood to be the meaning of “bust” anywhere ever.
@@joshuawoolridge8378 Wishing he knew how to send Wildes a letter as quick as Ryan and Brian can
🤣🤣🤣🤣
This show just isn't the same without Nick. I felt the same way when Brou was missing. Nick, Brou, and Wildes are the best core trio in the biz.
Right! Even if people dislike nick takes on things he,brou, and wildes makes the show.
Agreed and i don't like Nick but chemistry is real@hinata365247
Its fine to me coach is the only person i tend to agree with as he isn't gung-ho with his opinions
I would say nick brings the best out of coach. Coach's snark was much more subtle and not as pointed today.
Yep.
Lol Brou took Nick's abscence as a chance to list half the league as SBOB 😭
He saw his chance and ran with it 😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
But not the Lions
😂😂
Nick is going to be outraged when he sees this.
Mans said outraged 💀😭 you so right though
@@bart2873 bro was probably hitting his vape non stop listening to these takes😭
Chris “I’m not saying but some are” Broussard
Chiefs don't have any must win games until the playoffs start.
I’d say they have 11 “must wins” to qualify for the playoffs.
No it's must win on all games. We need #1 seed.
@@KCCheez8-8 teams make the playoffs. Nobody needs 11
💯
@@tonygabagool Pff, tell that to the Raiders 😂
I love how we always hear how Burrow is 3-1 against Pat but the fact he’s 0-3 against Baker Mayfield has never been mentioned. It’s hilarious
Or 1-4 vs Lamar
@@brandoisrael3155this does get mentioned everyone knows he stinks vs ravens
Mayfield ain’t a slouch everyone loves to hate on him but he’s an above average QB
What's your point?
@@markmurphy558 Same point they’re making when it’s consistently brought up. Whatever that may be
Nobody’s more all over the place than Chris
There's a reason we don't call him "Mr. Consistency"
He fanboys for the Jets and Ravens
And we love him for it 😅
He has to be cause you have Nick front running with mahomes
@@CashMoolah00bros a native KC fan how tf is he front running💀
I absolutely love the energy Coach is bringing to the show. He made me a fan this episode. Let him have a little more talking points since the show is longer.
Losing the opener means nothing. Chiefs lost to DET and won the Super Bowl.
You’re missing the ENTIRE point. It’s not just that it’s the opener. The entire point he was making was it’s vs the chiefs AGAIN. If they are the target, at home no less, it’s demoralizing . Especially with Lamar having pressure to deliver. And he’s correct imo.
Dont forget they were without their pro bowl tight end for the opener boss. The Kelce injury is a massive consideration you can’t pretend didn’t happen
That’s true, but I think at this point we can all be fairly comfortable saying that the Ravens ain’t the Chiefs….
Everyone is not the chiefs
@@CYMotorsportchiefs blew out the Bucs and then got destroyed in the SB. Losing a regular season game means nothing.
@CYMotorsport Pretty sure the Chiefs best defensive player, Chris Jones, was out as well... lol
Coach hates mahomes so bad 😂😂
He's as biased as Nick, just in the opposite direction. 😂
yeah he even had the audacy to say he wasnt picking the chiefs when he knows deep down he wants to pick but it would be just boring chiefs are the clear favorites until furthur notice they run the afc
Eric Mangini on Patrick Mahomes: "The hype machine is painful"
@johnbox271 he should know, he hypes up everyone the chiefs play and it blows up in his face 80% of the time
@@1koolcat At least Nick's got a more solid case... 🤷♂️
Mangini showing he is an idiot saying the season opener is a must win for the Chiefs when they lost the season opener to the Lions last year and still won the Super Bowl.
He is right! We don't need to lose even if it happened before. We might need that #1 seed.
@@hinata365247 Mangini knows football that's why he failed everywhere Bill Belichick didn't tell him what to do.
@@BigginsInAmerica yeah I didn't used to like him, but he is telling the truth. We need to win all games. We got lucky last season. Same thing won't happen again.
@@hinata365247 You sound like silly saying the Chiefs need to go 17-0 to win the Super Bowl. How'd going undefeated work for the 2007 Patriots?
@@BigginsInAmerica im not saying they have to go undefeated. But they must win these games. Just like every other team. You never know what would happen. But each of our games is a must win. I'm not going to say it's ok for us to lose 4 games. No it's not! If we do than fine but I expect us to win all our games even if they a great team or not.
THIS is the best sports show on tv. Please given them undisputed spot
Tom and Patrick have greatly skewed our ideas of success in NFL. It takes time to build. It takes time to win
And that just makes the narrative ALL THE MORE SPECTACULAR and Respectable!!! 🤷♂️... Both were a diamond in the ruff in college... and both benefited entering with some of the most prolific coaches of all times... only one of em is slightly more talented.. bt hey, that's what Greats are made of... 🤷♂️... cause I'd be willing to bet that if Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert all played under Andy... they wouldn't have come as far, I can almost GUARANTEE you that
@@DwainWilsonJrMahomes wasn’t a diamond in the in the ruff. He was a mid first round draft pick lol.
@@Finnissee0122 As I said a diamond in the ruff.. he didn't have any the weapons he has now.. bt your eye test told you that this kid was special
If they don't get Lamar a #1 WR and give him a fair chance like the rest of the elite QB's i don't want to hear it🤷🏿♂️
The elephant in the room is that the NFC is in for a decade of painful Super Bowl losses.
at LEAST
Prisoner of the moment take^
Purdy
Love
Penix
Caleb Williams
Jayden Daniels
Etc
Look at all the nfc QBs that could emerge as superbowl champions in the next decade you dunce. Outside of mahomes in the afc who is winning this decade? Burrow? Maybe? Lamar? No. Stroud? Maybe. Herbert? Probably not…
@@GKA11111 i think he means most of the super bowl trophies in the next 10 years are going to the AFC. NFC might get one here or there but Mahomes is a generational player and is going to win at least 5 super bowls in the next 10 years himself
Nah someone will beat the Chiefs in AFC every now and then. Texans will be that team for years to come.
@@GKA11111lmao, Caleb an Daniels, nah they ain't even played yet. Lmao.
Someone check Mr Wright’s blood pressure after Brou’s take
Mahomes biggest threat is himself
Or injuries to key players
Major injuries to Chris Jones/Kelce, then himself.
True
@@tonymalczon2060he's so good even with injured players he still can win it 😳😳
SBOB this year should be. Chiefs, ravens, 49ers, lions, and a few others. But for sure all the teams that went to the conference championship game last year
Plus every team that finished 2nd in the divisions and prolly every team that finished 3rd too 😂😂
Don't forget packers. With Jordan love being the highest paid.
Texans too. They added a lot of free agents in the offseason and they didn’t do it just so they could make the playoffs again.
Don't forget the Atlanta falcons too 😂
Lions not in there bro
Steve Young should not be given credit for 3 SBs. Yes he was on the team in 88 and 89 but those are Montana's SBs. Young's came in 94. That still puts him on the list though.
These guys are casuals w/e
And Brady didn't win all 7 SB MVP's... 😂😂😂
I agree
When you're a well run organization that drafts and develops well, you never have to worry too much about turnover year to year
As a niners fan, it's super misleading to say Young has 3 Super Bowls when he won 2 of those as a backup
Jimmy Garoppolo has two SB rings. 😏
@@johnbox271🤢😅
Shady be reminding people all the time he got 2 😂😂
Yeah that's kinda dumb...like imagine bradshaw backup or aikman backup
@@LKS-M93231 as a bum
Must win for the chiefs from coach is a ridiculous take. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
yeah if they somehow lose which they wont it wont mean anything they can start 1-3 this season and people will still be like yeah they are still the best team and team to beat
@@Hannah-xi8yiI bet they do lose boi 😈
@@arielargueta7363 they aint losing 2 straight week 1 game to teams that are worse than them chiefs could start 0-3 this season and they would still the best team in the afc cause of patrick mahomes now they are going to you aint ready for this offense
@@Hannah-xi8yi it’s a long season mane, plenty of time for mahomie to get injured.
Coach is on point about Jackson's development. ♟️ NYGiant fan
the problem with coach's graphic on QBs that didn't win until their 30s is that running QBs like Lamar typically don't make it that long or decline
That doesn't apply to Lamar because he gets better every year.
Yet he’s in is 7th year and shows no sign of retiring you don’t know ball
@mrs.lovely8527 yes Lamar still hasn't even thrown for 4000 yards once(alex Smith and Joe Namath could do that much lol) and he's got a whole 2 playoffs wins in 6 yrs but yea he's "getting better each yr" lmfao
@@keymold4405 who said anything about retiring? he's still in his 20s. but let's see how "good" he is when he's 32.
@@JosephCook-h6d and joe Flacco threw once for 4,000 in the same run first offense lamar is in. You don’t know ball and it shows.
Mangina can’t stand the idea of KC winning again, of Mahomes going down as the GOAT.
“We NeVeR lOsT aFtEr WiNnInG tHe ChAmPiOnShIp!”
Yeah, you never won three in a row either, but Pat’s about to. You also missed the playoffs entirely before ring number three…
They let coach get away with whatever lol that graphic 4:13 how about add the part you were avoiding? It’s not about time in the league persay. It’s about time since playing elite. That’s ALWAYS BEEN THE ARGUMENT. This accounts for youth and age. You can’t compare ages that’s beyond silly bc Lamar was younger. He’s been playing in his physical prime longer as proven by mvp voting. What his teams do is the question. Changing the goal posts to have this scarecrow debate smh how did Chris let this happen? Pay attention brother don’t let ppl slip that in. You’re better than that. Below is the missing data:
Super Bowl win after 1st MVP or AP PoY:
- Jackson: 6 and counting
- Manning: 4
- Brees: 2
- Young: 1
- Elway: 11 *VERY important caveat - John went to superbowl consecutively in MVP year and year prior but lost.
Him being “younger” is irrelevant. It just means he hit his physical prime sooner. Subsequently what you can’t bake into this is Lamar will literally be unable and compete on the long end when he’s 38 like Elway did yet you’re using his age only to his advantage now bc it suits the point.
That was an excellent graphic, Coach- really helped to put the Jackson talk into perspective.
"Even with the sweet new haircut?" Coach's dead serious look when he asked that was doggone hilarious. 😂
SBOB should be reserved for teams that would fire coach and get rid of 5-7 starters if they don't win. Based on that , I'd say Philly, Cincy and Dallas. Others are not firing coaches whatever happens
Dallas loses every year and doesn’t clean house. It’s just the Niners who have to win
Mahomes is chasing a throne that has never been sat on
The greatest in entertainment history
Glazing
Mahomes is chasing nothing but second place 🥈
holy glaze
That’s a bad take coach bc KC showed last year that the first game of the season isn’t that important even when they lower the banner 7:17
He is right! I'm a chiefs fan and I agree with him.
Lol. Leaves mahomes off the age list when discussing Lamar's time table... 24 btw for Mahomes.
dawg because mahomes is in tier of his own? i love lamar but mahomes has done stuff already that almost no qb does did you not watch the video? Lamar also did not come into the best situation his first year in the league with andy reid a great offensive coach and tyreek hill and travis kelce just stop it
@@jonathanleggett236 the Ravens have been touted as having the best team multiple times in the Lamar era... stop it.
Lolol bringing up Tyreek like Mahomes hasn't won more without him than he did with him.
@@sethstuerke8772 john harbaugh was about to get fired if it wasn’t for Lamar coming and saving him what are we talking about? Lamar did not come into the league with great weapons and even now does not have the best weapons compared to other qb’s. Yes he has to play better in the playoffs but I see a lot of other qbs get passes like herbert who haven’t done anything in the NFL when Lamar wins games no matter who he’s throwing too.
@@sethstuerke8772 and it’s also evident when the supposed “best teams” Lamar has had fall off a cliff whenever he gets hurt he literally shoulders most of the load on that team
@@jonathanleggett236 Harbaugh is a SB winning Head Coach... from the Reid tree. Either Lamar is the guy or he isn't. Mahomes won the SB with a bottom 5 WR room last year and most drops in the league. Lamar crumbles when games matter.
I think people put a little more pressure on Lamar to win it now because 1. Tom Brady and Mahomes have put the bar so high for winning lots of Super Bowls and 2. Lamar's game is so predicated on running that the expectation is that he won't be the same weapon as he gets older
Stroud and the Texans are a legit threat to the Chiefs. They made the playoffs and won a playoff game last year, and then in the offseason they added Stephon Diggs, Danielle Hunter, Joe Mixon, and Azeez Al-Shair.
Ravens beat the Texans comfortably twice last season. I'd have to see it to believe it with the Texans because I don't believe Ravens will regress enough and Texans will improve enough to the point where they overtake them
forget the chiefs can they beat the ravens with derrick henry and mark andrews back?
They lost to lamar who couldn't put up ant points when the ravens defense shut him out 3 straight quarters.
Cam Newton looked good in his rookie season also lol.
Those 4 guys are scary
Aint no way coach said all that and now picked cj to not only win mvp but make the superbowl
0:00 - 5:58 Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content perspective 🤙🏾
Brou: They are SB or bust, but there is no bust. But they will be disapointed if they dont win the SB, and line up suspiciously 1 to 1 with what's called contenders (in some places first tier contenders, since we like giving participation awards to good but not good enough teams).
You can tell it’s the offseason.
Missed having Nick here. He would of checked Coach. A must win for the Chiefs cause its banner night week 1? What happened last year? Oh yeah we got humbled by the Lions.... cant remember what the outcome of the season was, oh yeah another RING!
What did you do with Nick coach?
Act like the Ravens didn’t get cheated out of the game. All the holding no calls, the Zay flowers TD call back and Lamar not being Lamar, not running in the second half… yeah. That’s crazy
They didn't get cheated even a tiny bit.
Baited once or twice ...
Thank you Coach !! He’s 27 !!
I'm so sick of hearing about Burrow and Cincinnati having Mahomes' number...3-0 meant something, 3-1 doesn't mean a thing when the last game played was the 0-1 for Cincinnati. That says it is just as much out there that the Chiefs have figured it out, as can be said the Bengals have the Chiefs figured out.
6:58 LOL Somebody not paying attention.
Chris “IM JUST SAYIN” Broussard
Not gonna lie, but I loved Coach being a full time announcer and I can say I honestly didn't miss Nick (and I do like Nick). Kind of get tired of the repeat content in the two hour show, I think that is something to improve on. If FTF can take time for Patriots segment, they can hit up a random different team to expand general knowledge of that team.
Coach Mangini is GREAT on tv his condescending cold 🥶 personality with his knowledgeable expertise is perfect for this show.
Wildes is my father
You too?
That's wildes
Welcome to Chiefs Kingdom
How is it going wildes jr? I'm glad you in the comments with us😂
So “consider failure” and “bust” are synonyms? Cool. Good to know it has nothing to do with “losing it all” or “blowing it up.”
I don't get why every single year they treat the Cowboys like a top tier team. They're average or a bit above average, depending on the season, but they haven't been elite since the 90's. The last time they made it to an nfc championship was 1995 (when they went on to win the Super Bowl).
Cincinnati and Philly absolutely do not feel like SBOB teams after last season. The Eagles had that inexplicable collapse, just having a recovery to a solid season would be a win. Burrow needs to show that he can stay healthy. Honestly, Chiefs, Ravens, and 49ers feel like the only SBOB teams to me. Maybe Lions but they have just started to string great seasons together, I don't think nearly as many people are expecting a SB win. Maybe an appearance, but a Lions superbowl would feel successful to me, even if they lost.
Ion like when Mangini on here he was a sub par coach and analyst
Not the same without nick
Go Coach go
$75 mil for four plays hits different 👀
0:00 - 4:17 d@mn that’s a great point guy/coach, kind of embarrassed I’ve never made that connection 🤔
0:00 - 4:29 my original perspective was significantly off 🤯
0:00 - 4:38 yeah this is significantly more towards a transition year and or significant partial rebuild. It’ll be a tough year. Now if they overcome the challenges, that just speaks to the organization/etc and where Lamar’s mind is at
That was some great perspective
The only teams that are realistically SBOB are the Chiefs, 49ers, and Ravens. The rest of the teams Brou mentioned would have a successful season making it to the conference championship games
SBOB for football & use TFOB (The Finals or Bust) for basketball next year! 😁👍
Mangini was once called Mangenius😂😂😂
Thank you coach finally someone said it people act like winning super bowls just happen over night
Finally, somebody with actual common sense in terms of Lamar came to the show
its refreshing to hear Other Chiefs takes
Nick gotta be flabbergasted 😂
Ravens, Chiefs, Texans
49ers, Lions, Packers
As a Chiefs fan. My NFC pick is Lions, not sure why they're so slept on
Oh... great grandpa is having a flashback to his younger days again... 😢 Please don't let coach drive anymore
I appreciate coach. I appreciate his comments. I appreciate all he does………. Appreciate. lol
Without Nick, we get to here talk about other teams besides the chiefs when it comes to football. This is so refreshing
Theres a difference between Lamar and those other QBs who were in their 30's when theu won their first Superbowl...
Those guys were actual passing QBs... Lamars not.
Lamar depends as much on his legs as his arm... those type of QBs usually have a lot shorter careers. Lamars got maybe 3-4 good years left.
I see this same problem with Mahomes. He is very reliant on his legs to do his amazing plays and so once that degrades he either needs to pivot hard as to the type of QB he is or his skills and success will fall off a cliff. 😂
@Iamhungryforribeye Huh? Lamar literally leads his team in rushing and attempts every season. Chiefs have zero QB designed run plays.
Oh... and Mahomes actually has arm talent... Lamar doesn't. There's a stat called 'Quarterback Rating' - Mahomes is the all-time leader in it - both the regular season and playoffs.
Lamar is just a glorified RB playing QB... we all saw that in the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs last January 👍
@@lakeozarkrei3767Mahomes is the best scrambler in the league. It doesn’t matter if it’s not designed run plays. He still is very mobile and that’s going to decrease with age as well. None of the top QBs are stationary guys.
@Finnissee0122 We weren't talking scrambling ability... Mahomes runs when he needs to... then he gets down or runs out of bounds.
Completely different then what actual running QBs do and how it affects them... Allen and Lamar should ask Cam how that worked out for him.
Who would have ever thought a couple OSU quarterbacks would be two of the most respected QB's in the NFL?
How many Super Bowls did Jim Brown have?
His only championship came in 1964, two years before the creation of the Super Bowl. The Cleveland Browns are one of four franchises that have never appeared in a Super Bowl.
Shout out to the Bake Show!
How is bengals Sbob and rams aren’t when they were in the Super Bowl the same year and have had the basically the same seasons after just different years ?
Wildes, Balt vs KC isn't a Must-Win. It's Can't Lose. Also, remember, KC with a much worse defense played Henry w/ TN in the playoffs when he was 3 years younger and they held him in check. True, TN has never really been as good as Balt, but KC's defense is demonstrably better and Henry is older. Still very good, but for me, it's more the KC Defense and if their offense is as improved as hoped, they could have Baltimore pressing and getting out of their identity just like they did in the playoffs.
Kc’s defense isn’t better
@@keymold4405looked better than Baltimores in the afc title game lol
@@keymold44052nd in the league last season... and Henry is old lol
@@JosephCook-h6d the team that shut them out in the second half definitely looked better bud
@keymold4405 kc gave up 10 points which is better than giving up 17 bud lmfao 🤣 😂
They lost the opener dropping the banner last year..
Why on this show are the routinely taking only Allen's passing numbers into account?
Chase wanted to wait until Jefferson got 35 million so Chase could make more but Mike Brown said the time to negotiate is the offseason so it will wait until next year
Stroud's Sophomore Slump will come from going from a last place schedule to a 1st place schedule this coming season. Do I think he'll play necessarily worse? No, because he's got a management staff that understands they've got a stud a QB so let's make this season a bit easier by getting him more weapons as they see their schedule get harder. To the AFC East segment as much as we'd like to see either the Dolphins or the Jets win it's going to be the Bills. Again I hope I'm wrong but as of right now they've got the best QB, they've still got a good defense, and their OC seems to have found a way to raise their floor w/o significantly dropping their ceiling.
Manny was spot on with Chiefs have more pressure. Chiefs became better in an area that plays against an area thats rebuilding on the Ravens.
When I say jaetts I get made fun of to
I wish nick was here for this conversation pls repeat tomorrow with mangenie
Man I hope Burrow plays a full season so people will understand how overrated he is...
When his backup was playing competitively against the Chiefs in Arrowhead last year Burrow was looking like a system QB….
Worst take on the internet.
Zach Orr is the DC played for the Ravens was LB coach under Mcdonald defense will be fine.
He doesn’t need to put in another system not only have he been coaching with the defense along time he also played with the team as well he came up in the defense next to T Suggs so he knows how to play and coach like a Raven
T Suggs used to be a KC Chief. 🤣
I agree, Lamar has plenty of time to win and stop putting pressure on him to win now. Manning did not win until he was 30 years old and Lamar year by year he is getting better!!!
Kc lost opening game last year vs detroit and you see how that went
Wait until Brou finds out that SBOB is a must win 😅
Brou's reason against Josh is bogus... What were Lamar's numbers last year?
When they went 5-0 down the stretch, it was because they finally stopped forcing the ball to Diggs & tried something new. Allen still put up 40+ total TDs, so let's not act like the metric for winning MVP is "net 240+ passing yards for an arbitrary stretch of games."
Coach really be hating on KC even without Nick here. Would anyone seriously care if KC lost against Ravens in Week 1? I don’t think so, they should still be the favorites either way. I’m on Wildes side on this one. This KC team is the type that can lose to you in the season only to come back to beat you in the playoffs, ask Buffalo and Cincy about it.
Coach forgot the part where the lions beat the Chiefs last season in the season opener at arrowhead while dropping the banner and they still went and won the Super Bowl the same year…
Yea dang the new guy has been there years ……… he played in the Defense like come on
This segment was actually credible bc Nick Wright didn’t inject 5 tons of Kansas City love and Lamar hate into it
Coach with the most level-headed take, it's Joe Brrr baby
Any of those guys coach mentioned go 2-4 in the playoffs?
Can’t wait!!!
27 World Championships. DO NOT mention the Dallas Cowboys and the NY Yankees in the same sentence....Apples and peanuts!
It’s weird how Wildes cared about half of Bru’s SBOB take. He said Bengals because they been but they didn’t win. He said Rams & now Wildes wants to jump in. Bruh the Rams are good & you are sleeping on them. & Glazing Joe Burrow.
The afc is so stacked. I feel like the nfl needs to switch some teams around to balance it out
No love for MVP Purdy. RIP