Why Is Hrvatska Called Croatia In English?
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What is Croatia called in your language?
Hırvatistan
Kroasië - Afrikaans
Hrvaška - I'm from Slovenia 😀
Hrvatska.
Also the -ska suffix is the feminine form of the adjectiv suffix -ski, for examble when I say the French President in Croatian it is "Francuski Predsjednik", or Brittish Prime Minister is "Britanski premjer" etc. Just a minor correction in your lingual hypothesis, no ofence intened.
Why feminine, the croatian word for land is "zemlja" which is feminine thus Hrvatska zemlja. And it stuck.
Croatia = Kroatië
Croatian (adj.) = Kroatisch
Croatian (n) = Kroaat.
(I am Dutch)
Who's here from Croatia?
Ego sum.
Me
Pozdravi iz Slovenije
Slovenija😊
Zagreb
God i love listening to English people trying to say Croatian words xD
Actually he pronounced 'Hrvatska' pretty correctly, :) .
@@Kataru210 pipl mast trast as, tenkju
Me too
@@Kataru210i am actually pretty good at that
@@Kataru210 no
Also in Croatia, Germany we call Njemačka, and Vienna we call Beč :D
Most Slavs call Germans nijemci, nemci... It comes from "nijem" = mute, voiceless. Because they cannot speak🤣🤣🤣 Bec is a Hungarian name for Wien, Vienna, original name comes from Roman Castrum Vindobona which was located directly in the center of Wien, you can see the ruins if you visit.
@@TGSSMC thanks for explanation :)
in Hungarian we call Germany "Németország" with német mostly meaning silent (and being the word for Germans) and ország meaning country, so we call Germany "Silent country". so not only in Slavic languages you call Germans silent or mute.
@@zrop7629 it is not silent or mute, it means: those who speak language we do not understand
i am pretty sure it means mute, many words like némít mean muting
We hungarians call them horvát. Of course i consider them our brothers so we call them properly. Živila Hrvatska 🇭🇺❤🇭🇷
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"Horvat" (hungarian spelling) is the most common family name in Croatia. "Kovač" (="Smith") is only the second place
And We like You❤
We love you too! ❤
As an Indian working in Croatia.. I call it as our second home.. which gave us opportunity ❤. I love Croatia.. ❤
welcome my brother
love india
drago mi je što ti se sviđa kod nas
@@sonik8723 naravno❣️
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We also have a border with Montenegro. It's a small border of only 12 miles long, but in Croatian schools the teachers will always remind you.
The tie that men wear around their necks is in many languages called a cravate or similar. France had a cavalry regiment called the Royal-Cravate Cavalerie, The word Cravate was derived from the word Croate, and members of the regiment had ties of cloth bound around their neck. Other poeple liked and copied this fashion and called it à la croate/cravate.
The members of that regiment were Croats, and the word Hravat was pronouced Cravate by the French who couldn't say the H letter, thus the name of the regiment. If it was today, the regiment would have been named the Royal-Croate.
@@BangFarang1 And, BTW, Croats saw this "tie thing" in Roman army, where only commanders could wear it (at least this is what I heard). Croats were very impressed by that, so they acquired the fashion, :) .
@@MarioPetrinovich And they kept it hidden from the rest of Europe for more than 1000 years? This sounds like a Balkan ethno-myth.
@@makouras No, Croats were using it (it didn't look like a tie, actually, it was just a scarf around a neck which a girlfriend would give to a soldier before going to war, or something), but those times were the times of mercenaries, so Croatian mercenaries worked for French king at that time. When French king saw it, he liked it, and since France was a trendsetting country, this was adopted around the world, and later modified to look like it looks today.
@@makouras th-cam.com/video/oThApiIH7dM/w-d-xo.html
0:49 I think that’s a picture of King’s Landing in GoT rather than Dubrovnik itself. It was filmed in Dubrovnik but they added a fair amount like that large building with a dome in the middle.
Yes exactly. It does look beautiful, but there are no red keep, or sept in Dubrovnik, the photo is definitely KL
GoT was filmed in Dubrovnik thats why you have already seen it hahaha
I guess, that was an intended joke.
No! GOT was real
It's a visual joke. He knows it's GoT. Hence why he stated that "it looks like something from a fantasy TV show" as he put the picture up....
One clue: "Hrvatska" is an adjective! It actually just means "Croatian". It's a short version of the term "Hrvatska država/zemlja" which means "Croatian land", in which the "ska" is suffix for adjectives. That's also the case with Polska. It's like when you want the Cesar Salad, but you just say "Cesar". It's implied that it's a salad, so you don't say the word salad. That's why you can say just Hrvatska instead of Hrvatska država. That stuck for the last 1400 years!
Interesting
Polska originally was "Polska Ziemia" meaning "Field Land" with "pole" (field) being in the adjective form.
Polska was originally field as an adjective. Now the adjective form of "pole" is "polna".
@@modmaker7617 yes so it's the same as I thought. In Croatia when something is in the field we say "Poljski/poljska". A toilet in the field is a Poljski zahod 😂
@@kastro99
Zachód in Polish means "west/sunset" and zapad in Polish means "collapse".
@@modmaker7617 same language family but vastly different! As you probably found in Croatian zapad=west. It's like the word MIR. In Ukranian/Croatian it's PEACE and in Russian it's WORLD.
and in the Macedonian language it is pronounced Hrvatska (Хрватска), Pozdrav od Makedonija do Hrvatskiot narod.
Pozdrav za Makedoniju 🇭🇷❤️🇲🇰
There is a legend in Croatia about the name Hrvati and Hrvatska. In the 7th century when Croats migrated to land of Croatia (Dalmatia) there were 7 tribes of Croats with 5 brothers and 2 sisters as chieftains, and the oldest of the chieftens names was Hrvat. Because of that the people choose the name Hrvatska for the land.
And his sons were named Čeh (Czech), Leh (Lech = Pole) and Rus (Russian)
They where called horvats before that
It's not true, migration never happened.
@@nemanacemu2024 yup they were named Croats in Ukraine, Poland and Czechia before they came here
@@meduzsazsa8490 no. Krakow was named Horvat before That was the capital of White Croatia That’s What they where called
Od stolječa sedmog tu Hrvati žive.Proud to be Croat.
od 5. st. pr. Kr.
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Stoljeća*
they're called CROW-ATS not crotes.
scrotes
Man pronounces it as "Crow-atia", has an entire segment in the video dedicated to pointing out "Croat" is part of the word "Croatia", but then just goes ahead and pronounces it as "Crote". My brother in Christ, what is he smoking?
One Croatian dies every time someone pronounces them as Crotes
@@yanowic9107 my brother in christ
@@yanowic9107 my brother in christ, hes english, he was created by god to mispronounce things
I think Croats is pronounced like “Crow Ats”
Yes it is...
Crows 🤔
Crow..ass
@Nay Sayer
Hora = Гора(gorštaci).......Ukrajinski.............rijeka Horvatka u Ukrajini,rijeka Neretva u Ukrajini..............
@Nay Sayer
Predaleko,do Krapinskog pračovjeka.......
Thank you for making this video :)
I am Croatian and I never knew why is the name so different in other languages.
Naša Hrvatska❤❤
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There was a thing called White Hrvatska.
Polish and Czechs hate to mention it, but Ukrainians and Russian write books about it :D
In Bulgaria, we say "Хърватска"(Hrvatska) or "Хърватия" (Hrvatiya)
Which of the two is correct? Or are both correct?
Slavic languages have three suffixes for countries names, ska/sko, čka and ija, for example in Croatian Slovakia is SlovaČKA, but in Slovakian it is SlovenSKO. Or Croatia in Croatian is HrvatSKA, but in Russian it is HorvatIJA
@@ivanhus3852 Both are correct.
You showed Serbia saying "hrvtska", we say it the same way Hrvatska
I LOVE YOU NAME EXPLAIN! Greetings from Hrvatska!
You are all Serbian.... So croatia is Serbia
Alois Jirásek : "Za Tatrami, v rovinách při řece Visle rozkládala se od nepaměti charvátská země, část prvotní veliké vlasti slovanské" (Behind the Tatra Mountains, in the plains of the river Vistula, stretched from immemorial time Charvátská country (White Croatia), the initial part of the great Slavic homeland),
Od rijeke Horvatke u Kijevskoj oblasti do rijeke Neretve - u granicama okruga Turiya, Desna pritoka Zapadnog Buga (sliv Baltičkog mora)
@@malimate2660 ta se rijeka zove Erax i kod nje smo porazili gotsku vojsku. Stalin ju je dao zatrpat
origin old name was HORVAT and Horvatska. Heritage came from indo-slavic name Horohawat. But to not go in past you can see in whole world surname Horvat, Hervatin, Hrovat, Horwath and so on. There id also derivates Hrovat, Hravat, Chorwat, Chorbat, Krobat(wrong copy paste of letters V to B in latinic-cyrillic exchange in history) and Krabat
There was never anything called "Indo-Slavic". Stop making up fake history...
I was born in Canada and lived most of my life in CA. I now live in IN. My name is Vlasta Filipasic, the last person of this Croatian surname in the US. My late parents were immigrants from CROATIA. I'm very proud to have a Croatian heritage. Thanks.
Hrvatska The name comes from "hrvati se" The one who wrestles - fights. Croats have been fighting throughout their entire history, we have won much stronger than ourselves. As in wrestling, not only strength is important, but technique and fighting spirit. You can see that Croatian fighting spirit in sports today
Who have you beat that was stronger? All throughout history you guys have been nothing but subservient to foreign rulers. Also if you spoke " Croatian" you wouldnt need anyone to tell you that hrvat or hrbat* means someone from the hills. The answers is in the language ffs.
I know it's late, but if you're still interested in who we beat- the answer lies in our early history, not the later history.
We have a myth about King Zvonimir's curse. Before he was brutally murdered, he cursed the Croatian people to not be ruled by themselves, but rather foreign leaders, for a thousand years.
Before that curse, we defeated Hungarians, Bulgarians, Turks, etc.. But we still did have a lot of victories after the curse, because we held out against the Ottomans during the 15th century. @@not-much-but-enough
As a Croatian i can confirm that Croatia everyone is welocme
What about the Serbs?
@@not-much-but-enough što je sa "Srbima" ništa. Vi "Srbi" ste ništa drugo no Hrvati pravoslavne vjeroispovijesti koji pričaju iskvarenim hrvatskim štokavskim narječjem kojeg posprdno zovete "srpski" i žive na 🇭🇷🇧🇬🇷🇴🇭🇺🇦🇱 teritoriju.
Serbian rebellations against turks = 0
Albanians killed turkish Sultan murat, while serbs kneed before turkish Sultan bajazit and gave there Princess olivera as a Gift...thats how party with serbian girls and turkish pashas started, until russians liberate serbia from turks, and the party ends (but if continue with russian solider)
hey man i follow your videos for a long time now and i never commented because i never had the chance to do it in time and
they are all gold man...all pure gold!!!
Croatians existed before the country itself . Hence the term the "Arrival of the Croats" in approximately 790 AD. The ancient Greeks referred to Croats as Horovathos or something similar. Some say Croatians migrated from ancient Persia. Their was a state that was called Greater Khorasan. It's in the phonics. Their are derivatives of peoples surnames Horvat, Hrvat, Horvath, Chorvat, throughout Slavic countries. I think the name changed according to where these people migrated to and from over 2000 years ago. Much like today when people change their name when they migrate to another country.
We came to the Adriatic in the 6th century. That's 500's for you. Not 790!
The name did change, but not that much: Sarasvati - Harahvati - Hrvati ;)
Omg that is hilarious!
That's why country has shape of a croissant. Makes sense!!
@@ivanmatusic5540 brother, can you please reference where the ancient Greeks ever speak of Croats? Why look sso far for answers like in Persia and ancient Greece when Hrbat or Hrvat in our language means like Poljak means people from the field Hrvat means someone from the hills. Arrival of the Croats and Serbs is an obvious falsification from the Vatican. There are copious other historical sources that accurately tell us the history of the Croats and Serbs and where they come from. Genetic studies proved that most Serbs and Croats are native to the Balkans. They never came from anywhere
@@tomislavglavas2180 That document was a copy and a falsification of the Vatican. There are copious historical sources that tell the history of the Croats.
Croatiae is latin (Roman) name for Hrvatska. Latin language was our second language over the thousand years. Name Hrvat had persian zoroastrianism origin, but it is unclear.
In Zoroastrian Haurvatat is associated with wholeness, perfection, health, water, maybe people aspired to be that way, Some also say Islam, Christianity and Judaism have roots from Zoroastrianism.
Moja Hrvatska
It seems more logical to me that the name for the people Hrvat (singular) changed to Croat before being used to described the land as Croatia. The sounds Hrvat and Croat are much close than the names for the country Hrvatska vs Croatia. Otherwise great video love to see my country featured in one of your videos!
Hrvat or hrbat means person that lives in the hills. If you can speak the Serbo-Croatian language then you don't need anyone to tell you what it means
@@not-much-but-enoughBruh
@@JmKrokY yeah bruh
Ex Yugo all spoke croatian. Still do.
serbian girls were bngd by turkish, arab, african and albanian pashas aswell as by mongol, bulgarians, mongol and avars...
Serbs actually never rebelled against there occupiers...
Just facts
Great video, you got yourself a new sub :) also I find the idea of the channel pretty interesting, looking forward for more videos, greetings from Hrvatska :D
Actually there was a theory that us, the Croats, originally came to these lands from Persian territories, and Hrvati meant warrior in the ancient langauge. Interestingly enough, Persians today still use a similar word to describe both a warrior and an individual, a citizen of Croatia
edit: grammar
Vjv jer dolazimo sa podrucja danasnjeg urala kako on u videu kaze highlands i tako je ostalo do danas.
"Actually there was a theory that us..."
Genetic testing has debunked that theory. A significant proportion of "Croats" are in fact people who have been living in Croatia since the last Ice Age circa 12,000 years. This is because Croatia like Spain was an Ice Age refuge for humans in Europe.
The names have changed but many of the same people ( genetically) are still living there i.e: Illyrian`s, Dalmatians, Croatians etc.
@@northernstar4811I mean, the theory isn't probable, but it is possible, as it states that the horouathos, i believe thats how you say it, mixed with the slavs in bijela hrvatska, but the name was kept, then they came down here and mixed with illirians, who already mixed with romans, avarians and probably the other jugoslavs, if anything, it was probably only the name that stuck, if it isn't just a coincidence
@@Malac1998aaaaAaaaaa gluposti, Ural je bio nastanjen Turkjskim i Uralksim narodima. Jedino ako nismo Slavenizirani Avari.
@@dakedakinson64 postoji milion teorija. Hrvati su zivjeli na području Urala i u istocnoj poljskom danas Bjelorusiji.
I know you often get dissed for mispronouncing something in these videos, so let me just say that your pronunciation for "Hrvatska" and "Horvátország" were both very spot on.
Actually the way he pronounced Hrvatska could use some work though
It was more than good for a foreigner, but not spot on.
@@dejankartalija1987 Yes, the stress was on the wrong syllable. He kept saying hr-VAT-ska, when it should be HR-vat-ska.
Personally, I like to think that the name Croat means warrior because of the similarity to the word for wrestle in the Croatian language (hrvati se). Because we are always wrestling with someone or something!
what warriors ?? LOL Croats were 900 years humble servants of Turks, Hungarians, Austrians, Italians, Serbs, Germans, Austro-Hungarians and all other.....until Serbs finally liberated them in 1918 :) lol
@@firstnejm you forgot to mention the Belgians in Brussels for EU and American occupation with NATO forces!
Ziv bio!
@@firstnejm actually croats were called "antemurale christianidis" against turks...while serbs gave there daughters VOLUNTARY to turkish pashas because they were to afraid to fight against turks 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
at the end RUSSIANS liberated serbs...
We in Romania call them Croat when refering to a single male individual and Croați(or Croații when we use it in a sentance that has the Croații be in the middle and not the end so we don't mean a group of people we mean individuals from Croatia) or when we refer to more people from that group(or more men) and Croată when we mean a female individual from Croatia and Croate when we mean more female individuals from Croatia(We also articulate the word Croate to Croatele when we mean(more than 1) individual from that country and not the group of people)
Great video! One thing about the name Hrvat: in Croatian schools we are taught that Hrvat means man with a lot of land
Also, in Latin, the "v" character was pronounced "oo" as in Unum(Latin for 1) or Ave(a-oo-eh/aweh), so it might be possible that for a while they called it Krooatia, then just Kroatia. I realize in English, very few/no words have subsequent vowel sounds, meaning Mendele'ev is pronounced as Mendel-eev often, but in Latin and most Slavic languages, multiple subsequent vowel sounds could be in the same word without being squished together.
In Hindi, "Parvat" means Mountain. One of the important God in the Hindu Patheon is Parvati i.e The one who resides in Mountain.
Interestingly, the ancestry of Croatians is from Persia. Horvat, which sounds very similar to Hrvat, Croat, and parvat, is the most common surname in Croatia. So, it’s definitely possible that there are links as far as India. And that the people were named after mountains.
@@winterfox5783 I am not saying they are from Subcontinent. I am saying I would tend to support the Mountain word origin story as several languages have very similar sounding name whose meaning is mountain. Ofcourse I could be wrong.
@@studytime2570 the Indo Iranian theory is not well supported one relying on some cultural attributes, for example both Iranian cultures and Slavic people mark sides of the world with colour (black sea is north of Iran, red sea is in the south and Persians I believe did call mediteranian as the white sea... and in medieval time there were a White and Red Croatia)
also name similarities like the Sarmatians or the Indian goddess saraswati
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Also the facts like the one that in Sanskrit India is called Bahrat
And in the Istrian peninsula there is a village called Barat and Borut
@@PeoplecallmeLucifer See what I wrote in some other comment:
I would bet that the "mountain" theory is the right one. I always thought that "Iranian origins" theory is false, until I saw people that are living in the mountains on the southernmost point of today's Russia, they are just like Croats. BTW, Croats came on Balkans along with Avars, and Avars live close to that area in Russia. Also, to the east of that area is the area that was called Albania in the past. Well, today also Albania is to the east of Croatia.
@@MarioPetrinovich eeeeh not really. Croats came as a distinct group amon slavic tribes a little after the avars (the Bizantines granted Croats the old roman province of Dalmatia .... except the coastal cities as payment for helping them fight the Avats)
4:54 Wrong. In fact, 'ska' is actually just an add-on required to form an adjective Hrvatska which then means: "Croatian (adjective) Republic (noun) - Hrvatska Republika or in history Croatian Kingdom - Hrvatska Kraljevina" and that adjective is used for the name of the country. Polska also means "Polish republic" again without the word 'republic'. Česká is the same thing. But yes, in free translation it can be "Land of Croats", that's also pretty close.
Suffix -ska we use for other nations also, such as Engleska, Poljska, Nizozemska, Švedska, Finska, Francuska, Turska etc. Also we have suffix -čka which has the same purpose, so Germany in croatian is Njemačka, there is Grčka and there is also with suffix -ška, Norveška, Češka. We also use latin version with suffix -ia, Italija, Rusija, Belgija, Srbija, Makedonija, Albanija, Austrija...
Kravata-krvata-kroata-kroats-croats-Croatia. In 17st there where Croatian merseneries,hired by French. They had neckties (kravata).
If someone would ask them,what is that around your neck,they would say-kravata. And others would say for them,the kravata merceneries.
Also it could be hrvat--krvat-kruat-kroat-croat
From ear to mouth,from person to person,sounds change,because it was not been remembered as it sounds.
Name Croatia is way older then that. iuvatus munere divino dux Croatorum is from charter of trpimir 845, that is 9th century, there are even older stone monuments.
I read it somewhere too that Croat comes from the word kravata.
@@TGSSMC than it is possible,it could be my second explanation,especially if it is from early middle ages.
@@ginaibisi777 Actually, It's opposite
@@MantraX049 doesn't matter its a nice name anyway one way or another 👌👍
The name comes from the River Saraswati.
Saraswati -> Harahwati -> Haravati.
Look into Grimm's law, I think that's the name, for the S/H mutation. Also, we are recorded present in Eastern Persia at the time of Darius the Great. That's where we come from, and started migrating out when the river started drying out.
I get the logic, but I don't actually think that people that live today there are of that origin or should be looked at as such. Because let's say that it's 100% true, they must have gone to Hungary and Romania then waited couple of hundred years, become slavs, took the language and customs, then kicked out of those countries because they were slavs (as those countries fought against slavs to keep their nationality, around 5/6/7 century). And basically from the begging croats use old Slavic emblem of a red/silver chess board. I'm not sure why they would adopt that.
@@TooGumbica You seem to be confused about certain things here, and I don't think you get it yet.
There is no other tribe or nation on this Earth alive that carries the name Harahvaiti from the old days, appart from modern day Croatians. There were more of us that stayed behind during the migrations. White Croatia was a thing, several times in several different places, and now, these people are called Ukranians, Polish etc. They do have Croatian DNA but far less, as they mixed with a lot of proto-slavic tribes.
Croats that came to the Adriatic were the dominant military force everywhere they went. They did not get assimilated into anything. They assimilated others into themselves, some Illyrian, some Slavic, some Avar etc. Yes.
However, all nations have admixtures, and if we follow your logic, we could never have a connection between Jews from 2000 years ago and those alive today, could we? And for the Italians/Romans? Even less so.
However, the Croatian language is a thing of beauty, as it alone can prove everything I'm saying, if you know what to look for.
We still speak Sanskrit! That was not a Slavic influence upon Croatians, because Sanskrit was spoken in our homeland, by Us.
So, to conclude Slavic tribes, and Scithyan or Gothic tribes did speak a variant of Indo Arian language close to the one the Croatian tribes spoke, since they all stem from the same tree, only in different periods.
And to add to all that, we still have our folk memory preserved and alive, stories about the travel, about the old homeland and events there that lead us on this path. There is no other nation that can claim their history more than we can.
But we have been in different "unions" for 900 years, where our culture and heritage was considered a threat (for good reason) and was swept under the rug.
Not anymore, time for truth and reckoning is coming. :)
@@tomislavglavas2180 I get it, I rly get all of that. But for the same reason Russians are not Finish because of their name ( Rus' ), for the same reason wer not all Africans (even tho we all track our roots from there) and for the same reason Hungary and Romania aren't slavs, our place is Slavic, not Persian, sea of slavs just spilled over untill countries didn't start kicking them out, our ancestors didn't.
@@TooGumbica This is a generalization though. Slavs did not exist as Slavs at the time. There were Wends all over the place, and proto slavic tribes, sure.
Sure, our ancestors had embraced many of them. But the genes are still here, they did not dissipate or dissappear. The language is intact, many customs and sayings, even some folk legends 2.500 years old. The name is still present.
Also, we don't all track roots from Africa, that's a bullshit theory that has been disproven by genetics.
You can be skeptical all you want, but there is a strong and still present connection between Us and our ancestors. Well, at least, some of us. And I will proudly be among those who call themself Hara Hvati.
Grims law is not the shift of S to H. It is the shift of P to F like in the word *ped > foot.
The original consonant KH turned into K or H, depending on the vocal preferences of different locations, and the rest is just a matter of slipping the vowel O (KHRoVAT) or replacing the consonant V with a vowel U (KHROUAT). The exact root meaning of the name is sometimes linked to the Harauati tribe in Iran, in which case we may not understand what it means in their language, but it is also often subscribed to the fact that it was a personal name of one of the seven brothers and sisters that came to that land around 14 centuries ago. And his name - Hrvat (or Khrvat) could be linked to a few words. "Krv" is blood (he might have had a reddish face), "krov" is a roof (he might have been as tall as a roof) and "griva" is a mane (he might have had a very voluminous and long hair).
in Old Persian/Sanskrit it is the name of one of the seven 'angelic virtues',or 'powers', let' s say, from zoroastrian tradition, meaning noble, friendly, including hospitality and connected also with Godess of Waters, Anahita. So historically we Hrvati are extremely good in ship building and maritime professions.
If you speak Serbo-Croatian then you won't need anyone to tell you that hrvat or hrbat means person that is from the hills like a pole is someone from the field.
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The language you are referring to has never existed in Croatia. Even during the forced marriage with the Serbs, the Croats spoke Croatian and the Serbs Serbian. Serbo-Croatian was a construct to sell foreign idiots the idea of a commonality of Croats and Serbs. Even the 1974 constitution guaranteed both Croats and Serbs their own language.
Great Video! Greetings from Hrvatska
"Ska" is not a suffix denoting a land, but a suffix used in the formation of possessive adjectives. Thus, if you want to say Croatian land, you will say hrvat-ska zemlja. The literal translation of the word Hrvatska would be Croatian, and the "land" or "republic" was lost from the country full name. It is interesting that in the example of Dalmacija - Dalmatia, the original suffix remains, but the suffix ska is also used when you want to say that something is from Dalmatia, for example, Dalmatian food - dalmatin-ska hrana. Another example is divine providence - božan-ska providnost. And yes, we use a lowercase letter when writing possessive adjectives that end with the suffix ska 😂
When he said "some places look like they're straight out of a fantasy series", I really hope everyone noticed that he was showing a picture of King's Landing in Game of Thrones, which was filmed in Hrvatska.
actually, the "-ska" ending of Hrvatska does not mean "land" by any means. It's the ending of the adjective, describing a female gendered noun. In this case, "zemlja", which means land = hrvatska zemlja (croatian land). So, omitting the noun, we get Hrvatska, which literally means "Croatian". Greetings from Cyprus and im sending all my love to this beautiful country
How is Chorvatsko a combination of Croatia and Hrvatska? I hear none of Croatia in Chorvatsko
The C in Croatia makes a completely different sound than the C in Chorvatsko. Actually the C there makes no sound as it is part of the CH (just as SH in english makes just one sound)
In czech the shift from H to CH is natural and in the past happened in a lot of words. Just as the O (which in english is after the R instead of before) makes the word easier to pronounce
-sko is just czech way to say -ska, just as we call Poland Polsko (like you get Česko from Česká Republika)
Chrovatsko the "ch" sounds K like in "Christian". V in latin was pronounced U (like w in english or u in spanish).
So Chrovat was pronounced Krowat and later written Croat. Get it now?
@@BangFarang1 Actually no, in Czech the "ch" in Chorvatsko is pronunced closer to "ch" in loch (so a hard H, not a K).
@@albus221 We are speaking about the English pronouciation, there is no "loch" sound in English contrary to Croatian, German, Spanish and Gaelic. So they replaced it by "kr".
-ski/ska is actually an adjective suffix in Slavic languages that commonly become "land of" suffixes. The Slavic equivalent of -ia is -ija with slight variations in different Slavic languages.
English 🏴
Croatia
Serbo-Croatian 🇷🇸🇭🇷🇧🇦🇲🇪
Hrvatska
Slovenian 🇸🇮
Hrvaška
North-Macedonian 🇲🇰
Хрватска (Hrvatska)
Bulgarian 🇧🇬
Хърватия (Hărvatija)
Russia 🇷🇺
Хорватия (Horvatija)
Ukrainian 🇺🇦
Хорватія (Horvatija)
Belarusian 🇧🇾
Харватыя (Charvatyja)
Polish 🇵🇱
Chrowacja
Czech 🇨🇿
Chorvatsko
Slovak 🇸🇰
Chorvátsko
Interslavic 🟦⬜️🟥🟨
Hrvatija/Хрватија
Also Croat is pronounced "crow-at" not "crote".
In Slovenian it's called Hrvaška, not Hrvatska. Close, but not the same
@@aljaz965
Fixed it. Sorry.
BTW, I have two sisters, Carmen and Nives, but, from when I was a kid I always called them like kids would name them, Karmenka and Niveska (we are Croats).
Serbo-Croatian *does not* exist. It never did. Does Dano-Norwegian or Urdu-Hindian exist?
Correct is:
Croatian 🇭🇷
Hrvatska
Serbian 🇷🇸
Хрватска
In Bulgaria we also use Хърватска (Hrvatska)
Thanks for the Video
Croatia technically isn't an exonym because h to k sound evolution is very common, like in the word chimera or chi-ro
In fact, one of the rare aspects in which standard Croatian and standard Serbian are a bit different in is that a lot of foreign words that start with ''K'' in Croatian start with ''H'' in Serbian.
Examples:
Christ - Krist (Cro) / Hrist (Ser)
Chaos - Kaos (Cro) / Haos (Ser)
Chronics - Kronika (Cro) / Hronika (Ser)
@@AlirioAguero2 not all foreign words but those from greek and latin since in croatian the words were borrowed from latin (where chi changed to k) and serbians borrowed directly from greek because of the orthodox church which had a strong greek influnece on the liturgical languages as latin from the catholic church had in croatia.
Most popular theory of Croatian name origin is that comes from indo-iranic origin from the tribe of Harahuwati that inhabitated area of modern day Afganistan source of it being Zoroastrian Zend Avesta and some other minor historic documents
Throughout history we migrated from iranic mountains to Don Valley in nowadays Russia and Ukraine where Tanai tablets were found containing Croatian name
Next migration was in central Europe north of Carpathians in nowadays south Poland and west Ukraine where we slavenised and adopted slavic lagnuange and culture
Lastly during aprund year 600, byzantine emperor promised us land of ex Roman province of Dalmatia in exchange for beating Avars and Defending Constantinopolis
Hvala za taj komentar...Vjerojatno najvazhniji od svih drugih nagadjanja i izmishljotina ovdje.......H( O) rvati su bili najveche pleme tokom te naseobe hiljadu i 300(nagadjam i ja,,HAHAHA) godina unazad. Uz dalmatinere i panonske /slavonske porodice/plemena. Mi smo prvi napustili (ukrajinske planine) ,doshli prvi do Jadrana i zato sad imamo najljepshe i najbolje od te regije....CHINJENICE su jedino vazhne... POZ is USA//SAD.....Hrvat u srcu,zauvijek.
The Balkan peninsula can be courageously considered to be below the Odesa - Trieste line and definitely below the Carpathians.
No. It can only be precisely drawn where there is cyrlic language and Turkish domination. Balkan vilayet, they used to call it.
It's horrifying to me that people still identify with that term. It's like jewish people celebrating their part in the history of Germany during ww2. Sick.
The original, old name of the area is Helm. I recommend using that instead of drawing imaginary Turkish provinces around countries.
@@tomislavglavas2180 🤡❄
I put "courageously" and "definitely" for a reason. And yeah, Moldova is also in the Balkans to me 🙃
@@Arturino_Burachelini There is no such thing as a Balkan peninsula, only Balkan vilayet. ISIS considers it a future province of their own.
I'm not into clowning, tx.
@@tomislavglavas2180 Cope harder: Balkans - Wikipedia
@@tomislavglavas2180 YES, BALKAN IS A MOUNTAIN IN BULGARIA!
There is also tanais tablet-iranian link for the name.
it is posterior, 2. c. AD, Sarmtian lineage , in my opinion Alans from Caucasus, because in Croatia today we have some topinims related to Alans. Yet much before, there was Darius the Great excursion in today Hrvatska lands, 5. c BC.
I think why we got “Croatia” instead of “Hrvatska” is because the “H” in “Hrvatska” is pronounced as /x/ (like the “ch” in “loch”) in the Croatian language and since the /x/ sound turns into the /k/ sound (which is why we got words like “chemistry” and “chorus”) is also another reason why we got Croatia
Independet state of croatia from Germany 🇩🇪❤
Only to rot in hell ❤
Very good explanation. Comes from greek X'robatia transliteration to latin which became Krovatia and finally Croatia. By the same token, in native language Hrovaati became Hrvati phonetically, and thus Hrvatska.
The Dalmatian language is extremely interesting though. It's like the missing link between Latin and Romanian. The words "our father" for example, in Latin it's "Pater nostrum", while in Romanian it's "Tata nostru". In Dalmatian, it's "Tuota neuster". It's very interesting with Romance languages, like eastern Romance languages, the further East the more influenced by Slavic languages. To the northwest they're influenced by Gaulish, making the Gallo-Romance languages.
It'd be really interesting to know how vulgar Latin had evolved in Britannia, and how the Umbrian and Brittonic languages would've influenced them.
In Proto-celtic, one word for father is "Attyo", in Vulgar Latin, I'm sure people were already saying "Patre", "Padre", and "Pader" depending on where they were. Spain and Italy use "Padre", which comes from "Patre". If we combine the words, we'd get something similar to "Patryo" or "Patreyo". As languages progress, P's often soften to F, and T's often soften into D's.
Perhaps if the Anglo Saxons never invaded England, and they spoke a base Latin, Celtic influenced Romance language... The word we'd be using for father, right now, would be something like "Fadrio" or "Fadreo", or perhaps that I or E at the end would've dropped off entirely and been "Fadro". It'd still be somewhat similar to what we have now.
In Croatian, father is "otac", which is pretty similar to "attyo".
Actually english word 'father' is derived from latin word 'pater' or german 'vater'...english is germanic language.
@@MarioPetrinovich They are similar, and that doesn't surprise me one bit. I didn't know "father" was "otac" in Croatian, but I do know that "father" is "otets" in Proto-Balto-Slavic, and you can definitely see the resemblance and evolution of "otets" in "otac". In Proto-Indo-European the word for father is "P'ter", and in early Proto-celtic it would've probably been "Ater" before "Attiyo". So yeah, the Proto Celtic "Attiyo" and the Proto-Balto-Slavic "otets" both come from the Proto-Indo-European "P'ter", so that actually makes good sense seeing as Croatian looks like it may have changed the least since Proto-Balto-Slavic compared to other Slavic languages. I mean the word for father in Polish, now that's a mouthful.
@@augustuscaesar8287 I don't know if you know that "otac" is pronounced as "otats".
@@dalibortrupina432 I wasn't exactly talking about where the English word for "father" came from, but "father" is in no way derived from the Latin "Pater" and actually evolved from the same Germanic word "Vater" did, but did not evolve from "Vater" itself.
"Father" is derived from the Old English "Fæder", which is derived from the Proto-Germanic "Fader". "Vater" is derived from the Alemmanic "Vatter" or "Fatter" which is derived from the Proto-Germanic "Fader". Same root word but they diverged a couple thousand years ago. Hope that clears up your confusion in the future 👍🏻
"ska" at the end of slavic words usually refers to posession, as in "Majčinska ljubav" or in translation "mother's love" "Majka" + "ska" = "majčinska", As such the translation would literally be Croat's [land] where land is inferred from context.
How about a video on the etymology of the word 'cravat' now that you've done one on Croatia.
Need to go to croatia so bad, beaches in the morning; zagreb matches in the night (im pretty sure hajduk split is also a good team to catch).
Nice video!
But, as someone from Balkan - I must say Croatia has a land border with Montenegro
YOU LIVE IN THE BALKAN MOUNTAIN? HA HA HA!
@@peroperic1044 Yes, I live in a cave in the Balkan mountain. I don't know what's so funny about that...
Thank you for this video! Most of us in Croatia also wonder how the name Croatia came to be instead of Hrvatska. Unfortunately, this explanation is definitely not common knowledge, so it's great to finally find out 😄🍻
You are all Serbs... Croatia is Serbia
@@beretka1389 you wish
@@beretka1389 go to mental hospital, you clearly need help 😂😂
@@beretka1389 jesi znao da su srbi turski šupkolisci bili cijelo vrijeme
@@beretka1389
"srbin" je dijagnoza.
I call it HRVATSKA🇭🇷🎉 I LIVE IN THIS BEUTIFULL CUNTRY❤❤❤ i will prove it pretplati se
The letter o in the Latin word "Croatia" is not a replacement for the v, but a "filler vowel" that makes the syllable "hr" pronounceable for non-croats. So the intermediate step was something like "crovatia", and later the v became silent and was dropped.
Other languages like Czech, Polish, Hungarian, Bulgarian or Turkish inserted a vowel before the r and kept the v sound.
Fun fact: One of the most common surnames in Hungary is "Horváth", which translates to "Croat".
Also in Czechia or Slovakia there are many Horvats.
A sign of Croatian existence in those places.
@@snokehusk223 Given the spelling of the name they might also be Hungarians with that name who spread across the Austro-Hungarian empire.
@@alexj9603 Croats came in 7th century while Hungarians in 9th so how could that be possible? Not to mention it isn't a Hungarian sounding name.
Horvat as surname is not in Hungary, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Austria because of croatian origin before 7th century but because of the Ottoman conquest when many of croatian origin fled Bosnia and Croatia to northern countries which until today or very recent had some croatian population. Thats the reason why Horvat is the most common surname even in Croatia but it is spread almost entirly in northern Croatia as in medieval time center of Croatia was in Dalmatia and what is now Bosnia and Herzegovina (counties Pset, Pliva, Livno, Imota) and todays north Croatia was called Slavonia (which is now only east of Croatia) and was literallly croatized by croatian nobles who moved from south to the north (such as Zrinski, earlier known as Šubić, one of the original 12 noble croatian tribes).
Is noone going to state the obvious? If you speak Serbo-Croatian then you don't need anyone to tell you that hrvat or hrbat means person from the hills. C'mon people some common sense!
actually serbs were most humble servants to byzantines, bulgarians, avars, tatars...and especially to turks 500 years, they gave there women VOLUNTARY unlike they werent liberated by russians during the so-called "serbian uprisings"
Serbian battles against there occupants: Error 404 not found 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Where I live which is El Paso TX USA we have a Croatian news anchor she is from Zagrev, and she is the most down the earth person you will ever meet.
To note, that H is the same sort of sound as Ch in geek, rather then the H we use in English, and that is quite close to the pronunciation of K and C, so spelling it with a C makes a lot of sense.
Croatia also borders Montenegro
In Croatia we are taught that the name Hrvatska comes from Hrvat, the leader of a slavic tribe who settled on the coast back in the 6th century. While its very likelly that story is a myth, the last name Horvat is the most common Croatian surname today
Actually Croats were called Croats even before Hrvat and his brothers and sisters came here
Gluposti, ime Hrvat prvi put se spominje oko 825.
Good video!
very good language analysis .... hi from zg, cro
There's an interesting theory that the name is related to the Carpathian mountains.
I would say that those mountains are actually the Caucasus mountains. See what I wrote in some other comment:
I would bet that the "mountain" theory is the right one. I always thought that "Iranian origins" theory is false, until I saw people that are living in the mountains on the southernmost point of today's Russia, they are just like Croats. BTW, Croats came on Balkans along with Avars, and Avars live close to that area in Russia. Also, to the east of that area is the area called Albania. Well, today also Albania is to the east of Croatia.
@@MarioPetrinovich an interesting interpretation! who knows, maybe some linguistic link could be found in the future.
The ancient kingdom of White Croatia existed throughout the entire Carpathian mountain range...the people were called BIJELI HARVATI...Hence the mountains got their names from the Croats themselves
HARVATI
KARPATI
@@MarioPetrinovich There is another interpretation, that non-slavic Croats and Serbs came in a second wave, conquered the territories from the declining Avars and got assimilated by the much more numerous native Slavic population. These tribes were likely turkish, highly nomadic and militarily powerful as they would need to be. This theory fits both the Carpathian and Caucasus origin and is nearly identical to another related Slavic nation we actually have very detailed records of (as opposed to almost none): Bulgaria.
@@TheLordboki Croats actually arrived together with Avars, their masters.
The word "Horvatska" instead of "Hrvatska" was sometimes used by Croats in the past. It's similar to the modern Hungarian word for Croatia and resembles West Slavic and English variants more.
similary as German is Deutschland for Germans or Deutches. Anyway original old name was Horvatska. You can see that this sound some foreign priest in midevil time wrote or copy paste older writings from sound Horvat for ethnicy to Croat
There is a theory that croats originate from northwestern iran. "Hrvati" are croats but it also means "to wrestle" in croatian. And guess what irans national sport is :)
Od stoljeća 7. tu Hrvati dišu
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My third-grade teacher's name was "Miss Hrvatin". That was around 55 years ago, and it's practically the only teacher's name that I remember, especially from grade school, because it was so unusual. I always wondered about it. Now I have a clue!
I live in Croatia
Chorwatska w hornjoserbšćinje a delnjoserbšćinje
Croatian wariors were known by neck ties called kravata from what was created name kravati and since in eng. k is written by c there are both Kravati or Hrvati and Cravati or Croati.
I have a smattering of stamps with Hrvatska on them. I miss the thrill of sorting a mixed envelope of foreign stamps. The stall is gone and our comfortable city market is going to be "upgraded" to incorporate a bloody apartment tower and posh shopping precinct. I'll have to learn to cook ****ing Gucci handbags because there won't be a spud to be seen.
That escalated quickly, as they say lol.
Croatia has a Latin roots...Croatea.
It's the only way the romans knew how to write down what they pronounced and heard as "Horvacija". They did that to everybody and that's the main reason our "history" is such a mess. :)
The Croats got their name in 7th century, I believe. It was when some Slavic people (led by five men and two women) got to the place of today's Croatia. One of the men was named Hrvat which basically means Croat. This may not be true but it's what we believe in and what we are taught in school.
well, those were medieval Croats.... They lived in western Balkan and they spoke CAKAVICA dialect of South-Savic language.
Today, only 6% of modern Croats speak CAKAVICA dialect.... Today's Croats are mix of Serbs and Slovenians, united by only one thing: Catholic church. They were pronounced to be Croats in 19. century.
@@NekoImeni impossible because croats look actually german and russian... while serbs are all dark-skinned
@@Kutujutusutjutu-rd6md I saw a Croat captured in Mariupol.
He looked like Arab.
just facts
@@NekoImeni "croat" captured im mariupol is a serb from croatia who pretend to be croatian 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nice try 😂😂😂😂😂
Croats = white
Serbs = dark
@@ajmo-fi7mj He said, "I am Croat, from CroaTIa"...WHY? Because he is!! He is Croat from Croatia 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Republic of Dubrovnik gave Ottomans the passage to the sea to shield them from Venice towns. Later Dubrovnik become part of Croatia and Ottoman coast part of Bosnia and Hercegovina, Croatia never claimed that part of the land to be Croatian again. That is how we learn in school. Cheers for the video.
Dubrovnik was never bosnian...bosnia is a ottoman province and so-called bosniaks were created by Bill Clinton in 1993...
@@egevatre-hp3tb no one said Dubrovnik was Bosnia, Republic of Dubrovnik gave some land to Ottomans in Bosnia so they would not have coast near Venice influence cityes and possible ground invasion. Ottomans got connection to the sea and protected Dubrovnik. Please read properly.
Ako treba da smisao rečenice prevedem i na naši, isto nije problem. 👍
Ok seboan chetnik.Wash yoursef😂😂
As a Hrvat, I have been asking this myself my whole life. Now I know.
I feel like if we were the kind of society that called people what they called themselves we'd have a lot more of this "diplomacy" thing figured out.
And hrvati is from 7th senchury
you're mixing things up, Croatians were never named Dalmatians. it was always name of the region and regional name of people who lived there but not their nationality.
Hor or Or is "Sun"
Vač is "Land".
The Latins and Greeks did not have letters for some sounds of the original Croatian language called "HaraVača". They replaced the sound "H" with "C" and the sound "Č" with "T". The Latins wrote the Croats with "Cerve", which was changed through Greek to Serve, i.e. Serbs (the Greeks changed the Latin "C" to "S" and "V" to the letter "B"). The most original name of Croat is "Horvač or "Haravač", which through Sanskrit became HorVat (In the Indian language, "Vat" is the space where the rays of light "travel" or the so-called "Ether", which was written about by Nikola Tesla, who was born in Croatia and according to his own recognition had Croatian roots).
Source?
Erasmus program brought one French student in Croatia. He's become friend with us quickly, and once trought conversation and joking, I've asked him to try say "Hrvatska". He said "Croat.." and started laughing as it was hard for him. In that moment I figured why Hrvatska is translated as Croatia.
Bravo how you are clever
@@Armo12 Try again, you can do it better
@@cropp3667 zbog lakšeg izgovora po tebi,a tu ti i na kraju objašnjava razlog koju je važnost tada imao Vatikan i latinski jezik
@@Armo12 Čestitam. Znam, pogledao sam video i na taj dio se i odnosio moj komentar/iskustvo. Shvacas, do tog trenutka koji je bio prije 7,8 godina nisam o tome ni promisljao, a zanimljivo mi je bilo kak je nesvjesno izmjenio glasove točno onako kako su opisali, nesto strucnije, u ovom videu
@@cropp3667 pa to se u osnovnoj školi zna.
There were 5 brothers and 2 sisters,the brother who founded Hrvatska was named Horvat
And the french gave Hrvatska=Croatia becuse they were allies and the french liked Croatias army kravatas or croats so it was Croat-ia
Okay, when a language is called "corrupted", is that a proper linguistic term? It's got a bad connotation. Maybe we should just say "changed"?
"Some commentators use derogatory labels such as "corruption" to suggest that language change constitutes a degradation in the quality of a language, especially when the change originates from human error or is a prescriptively discouraged usage." Wikipedia.
For exemple: many today say "I have a car" instead of "I've got a car" or "Who did it? Me" instead of "Who did it? I"
@@BangFarang1 Yeah, it's a personal value judgment. I can sympathize-lots of recent changes in English make my teeth grind-but I recognize that that's my problem. Looks like the apostrophe-s will mean plural of a proper noun whether I like it or not.
@@robertmiller9735 Living langages are, well... living. That's why they always changed and will always change, up to the day when we will have (hum sorry, get) an artificial memory in our brain that will freeze the words.
@@BangFarang1 Yeah, I think we're on the same page.
@@shadownoobnoobslayer5424 I could, but I wouldn't. I'd call them dialects in the process of separating into new languages.
"The necktie that spread from Europe traces back to Croatian mercenaries serving in France during the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648). These mercenaries from the Military Frontier, wearing their traditional small, knotted neckerchiefs, aroused the interest of the Parisians.[2] Because of the difference between the Croatian word for Croats, Hrvati, and the French word, Croates, the garment gained the name cravat (cravate in French).[3] Louis XIV began wearing a lace cravat around 1646 when he was seven and set the fashion for French nobility. This new article of clothing started a fashion craze in Europe; both men and women wore pieces of fabric around their necks."
This is why, and it does not mean the same.
2:19 Finland isn't an exonym since in Finland þey speak also Swedish, where it's called "Finland".
Swedes in Finland are the imperialist colonizers that never left. It absolutely is an exonym.