I see Gold coins as a good midgame option to progress to LS farming. At 48 it is technically after Legendary Spheres (44), but the amount of infrastructure is way lower and easier to scale and it doesn't rely on the paladium bottleneck. the main benefit is that it uses the same base components so once you have the Astegon bred and infrastructure in place you can transition to LS and have basically 0 waste.
For the people asking where you need this much gold for; it is basically for official multiplayer pvp/pve servers since Flea Markets are now a thing. I could see Legendary Blueprints, Work Books, and perfectly bred Pals to sell for millions depending on server economy.
You're forgetting something: Ingot -> Gold Exchange Rates with the Gold Assembly Line are insane. 2 Ore = 1 Ingot, and 1 Ingot = 100 Gold. This means through conversion that 1 Ore is worth 50 Gold via the Assembly Line. With max selling buffs, you can buy Paldium Fragments from the wandering Merchant for 12 Gold. That's an exchange rate of 8.3 Paldium Fragments per 2 Ore, or 4.15 Paldium Fragments per Ore. This by itself makes Refrigerated Crushers useless for Paldium Generation, as they take 2 Ore to make 1 Paldium Fragment. Even with the new Research Labratory you can only buff it up to 1.15 Fragments per 2 Ore. You're converting at a loss of almost 5x less Paldium by using the Crusher. Actual ideal setup would cut out Crushers and a Cooling Pal entirely and just use Gold Assembly Lines with Anubis to generate funds for Bone, Pal Fluid, and Paldium Fragment needs. Then you aren't converting at a loss, and you have an extra Anubis for crafting, transport, and working the mines to generate more gold.
To be honest, I have yet to run out of money in my game and I've never used any of these methods, just selling the junk I find in chests is more than enough. Personally think they need to add more things to buy that would require this much money grinding.
with only 3 bases default for server, having a full base for the LS farm isnt an option, where just adding an assembly line to handiwork base is considerably easier
This Gold printer is absurd because the SAN goes aways too much faster... Tnks for the vídeo professor... You gonna make a Lot of skill fruits trees with lullus to help grow up faster?
Hey palprofessor, a question that isn't related to the video itself if u don't mind, Is there a way to see the attack speed of the pals? i remember in one of ur older videos u saying prixter was better than bushi cuz he has slightly more att speed, and i was wondering if there's anywhere around a updated to feybreak Database with those numbers, i wonder with this new update who's better for logging
@@TheClutchUDF Yea i know but i'm not sure if a lvl 3 logging pal, with books that attacks faster would be better, i'm rly not sure how it works if it's the "dps" they do to the mine or if it's attacks per second or what is the meter for their speed to produce something
Hi, in earlier videos I've said Prixter > Bushi Noct due to the faster move speed, not attack speed. The two pals have identical stats but Prixter moves faster between logging site, food and hot springs. Currently I think Shroomer Noct is the best logging option, you don't need so much wood so the partner skill effect is a nice benefit. Otherwise Celesdir is the best pal now with logging 4.
@@ProfessorPenking oh i've seen that video like 3 times by now and i miss heard all the time LOOL now that u said it and i went back and watched i did heard move speed LOOOL, okay makes sense thanks i will use the shroomer that will make so he is usefull, and just doesn't wander around thanks!!!! Keep up the awesome videos i've been learning a lot with u ! thanks
Only from elixirs, then I place motivational leader on all my booster/utility pals like Gobfin/Galeclaw. I don't do any crafting myself but it is nice to quickly build chests and altars.
15 is the default, it's for people who play default or multiplayer. I have my settings on 10 bases 50 pals but try to make the guides based on 4 and 15.
did your 9.1 million per hour include the 40% bonus you get if you sold all your spheres with a party of pals that each had fine furs and noble? because if it doesnt and its ~13.6 mil, then its not even close
Possible? Yes. Optimal.. depends. Invader + Siren only has a chance to even compete if you go full dark moves, obviously. If you run, say, holy burst, go with 1 or 0 or those. The rest depends on whether the same type attack bonus is additive or multiplicative with other elemental boni. Assuming it's additive.. Demon God, Musclehead, Serenity and Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.7)*1.5*(1/(1-0.3)) = 364 Demon God, Serenity, Invader, Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.4)*1.8*(1/(1-0.3)) = 360 If you run 4 hoocrates on the other hand it would be.. Demon God, Musclehead, Serenity and Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.7+0.8)*1.5*(1/(1-0.3)) = 535 Demon God, Serenity, Invader, Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.4+0.8)*1.8*(1/(1-0.3)) = 566 As a rule of thumb, it is basically always better to invest in the multiplier you have less of. Serenity, which is basically attack speed and therefore its own multiplier, being mandatory. Honestly, it's all pretty close. If STAB is its own multiplier, it shifts a bit more towards elemental. If you run hoocrates aswell. Bases solely on this, elemental seems better for a personal Shadowbeak. That said, the shadowbeak passive also buffs dark damage while riding it. I dont know by how much, but it's probably a big chunk, therefore making attack damage better again. I did not get around to actually breed a direct comparison yet. For a raid army i would probably just go with attack, since you'd likely want to run holy burst anyways. Possibly for personal shadowbeak aswell tho.. in which case 0-1 dark elemental skills would be best, since it would only benefit 2/3 skills, drastically reducing its value.
Divine disaster 1 and 2 along with Dark wisp is probably the only use-case for that. Dark moves don't have the same AOE as other offerings so in general people will pick generalist builds, but Shadowbeak is the 1 use-case where it might make sense as DD1+DD2 is a pretty epic combo
If you're only gonna be using dark moves yes but issue right now with dark pals is that there isn't really alot of endgame content where dark is useable, most use case is probably against hard mode selyne but ryu resists dark and xenolord double resists dark.
Genuine question. What do you need 10 mil gold per hour for late game? Is it just cake ingredients and electric organs? I'm not knocking the optimization. Genuinely curious if there's something else I could be buying to be more efficient because I already have more gold and cakes than my ammo/breeding pens can keep up with.
I think the point is to interface with the base as little as possible. he cycles through bases about once every 30 minutes or once an hour so has everything configured to have multiple production facilities and then just max them all out with his one visit. Another crafter would mean that the work gets done sooner, but then they would sit idle while they waited for the Astegon bottleneck to catch back up. Your right however that Splat would be better than Anubis but only marginally as Anubis has downtime between visits anyway. I scaled this up to 30 pals and still only need 1 craft and 1 cooling pal.
In my humble opinion, both are good. Since i cant even imagine what you'd need this much gold on to run it continuously, i wouldnt ever imagine making a dedicated base to it. People who play with 10 bases and such may find that reasonable, but with the default i'd just sell / make money the way that fits into your base best. Am i missing something for which we may need anything even in the order of magnitude as 10m gold per hour? Like.. i run 1 or 2 cycles of 1 million gold in the printer and am set for a couple days of buying cake ingredients, bones, electric organs, pal fluids, .. and whatever else i may need. I could also just craft spheres as it's the same base, but the point here isnt really efficiency. What are you buying with that much gold? Honest question
the point is to set up a system and then not have to worry about it ever again. Back in Pre-SJ I set up a 3 base system for Eggs-Salad-Spheres and since then I've been able to do whatever I want in the game and literally all of the "Survival" elements are automated for me. Your right, crafting money at this pace is totally unnecessary and despite spending on whatever I want I still have a whole chest full of max stacks of coin. until the devs add a real use for endgame currency its just going to sit there.
The alpha wave generator is broken. It gives 10 SAN resist for 1 and no additional SAN resist for the second. I'd love someone else to verify, but I did a silly test on my channel. Pretty disappointed 2 doesn't work.
My thought is that the translation is the problem. it says "no more than two" but it probably means no more than "one of each" as there is an alpha an beta generator and its not intended to stack
@@bobnewkirk7003 I have tested with ONLY alpha generators. The second generator provides 0 additional SAN resist. So, you are right, either it's a mistranslation, or it's a bug.
honestly, playing on 2x or 3x spawns and beating all the boss pals for 2-3 days and selling their stuff with 5 palswith noble trait gives me way more than enough gold for all my eggs and milk, works best for me as i enjoy active gameplay.
quick breading. even if you use best plantation with best pals and best ranch pals (all 4 star) you cant make enough ingreadents. if you run coin maker sub optimally even then you can buy 999 (max before price hike for the day). each costs about 50 gp so... just about400-500k gold for 1k cakes. all the methods makes millions...
@@fenilkheni9494 Oh right, i use it for breeding too but considering how much more optimising pal professor is i imagine he has an entire base for breeding. Thanks for reminding me
@@duduvec5971 yahh, but right now thinking about it second time. You need 7eggs,7milk,5flour,some berries and 2 honey. Honey can't be bought. Egg and milk sells for 50 each so that's just 700 gold per cake. With negotiation benifit passive skills(finefurs, nobel or something) that's just 1 million gold for 5-6 4star pals and these setup churns out upwards of 9 mil. At this rate only honey is gonna be bottle neck. I wonder if he has 2-3 ranchs with fully maxed nocturnal beegrades...
your math is horrible. 7.6 mil divided by 3 clicks isn't 440k. but, then, the gold printer method is more than 3 clicks because you have to make ingots first.
I see Gold coins as a good midgame option to progress to LS farming. At 48 it is technically after Legendary Spheres (44), but the amount of infrastructure is way lower and easier to scale and it doesn't rely on the paladium bottleneck. the main benefit is that it uses the same base components so once you have the Astegon bred and infrastructure in place you can transition to LS and have basically 0 waste.
For the people asking where you need this much gold for; it is basically for official multiplayer pvp/pve servers since Flea Markets are now a thing. I could see Legendary Blueprints, Work Books, and perfectly bred Pals to sell for millions depending on server economy.
You're forgetting something: Ingot -> Gold Exchange Rates with the Gold Assembly Line are insane.
2 Ore = 1 Ingot, and 1 Ingot = 100 Gold. This means through conversion that 1 Ore is worth 50 Gold via the Assembly Line.
With max selling buffs, you can buy Paldium Fragments from the wandering Merchant for 12 Gold. That's an exchange rate of 8.3 Paldium Fragments per 2 Ore, or 4.15 Paldium Fragments per Ore.
This by itself makes Refrigerated Crushers useless for Paldium Generation, as they take 2 Ore to make 1 Paldium Fragment. Even with the new Research Labratory you can only buff it up to 1.15 Fragments per 2 Ore. You're converting at a loss of almost 5x less Paldium by using the Crusher.
Actual ideal setup would cut out Crushers and a Cooling Pal entirely and just use Gold Assembly Lines with Anubis to generate funds for Bone, Pal Fluid, and Paldium Fragment needs. Then you aren't converting at a loss, and you have an extra Anubis for crafting, transport, and working the mines to generate more gold.
To be honest, I have yet to run out of money in my game and I've never used any of these methods, just selling the junk I find in chests is more than enough.
Personally think they need to add more things to buy that would require this much money grinding.
with only 3 bases default for server, having a full base for the LS farm isnt an option, where just adding an assembly line to handiwork base is considerably easier
This Gold printer is absurd because the SAN goes aways too much faster... Tnks for the vídeo professor... You gonna make a Lot of skill fruits trees with lullus to help grow up faster?
So Lulu passive works with skill fruit plantations?
Yeah, research too@@hermesonaires7047
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I think so.
if you deploy a pal from your party, that pal's SAN does not drop at the gold printer
Lullu did not work on Skill fruit plantations for me.
Would be very interesting how salad compares with and without Lullu and Prunelia.
Hey palprofessor, a question that isn't related to the video itself if u don't mind, Is there a way to see the attack speed of the pals? i remember in one of ur older videos u saying prixter was better than bushi cuz he has slightly more att speed, and i was wondering if there's anywhere around a updated to feybreak Database with those numbers, i wonder with this new update who's better for logging
Celesdir is 4 Logging
@@TheClutchUDF Yea i know but i'm not sure if a lvl 3 logging pal, with books that attacks faster would be better, i'm rly not sure how it works if it's the "dps" they do to the mine or if it's attacks per second or what is the meter for their speed to produce something
Hi, in earlier videos I've said Prixter > Bushi Noct due to the faster move speed, not attack speed. The two pals have identical stats but Prixter moves faster between logging site, food and hot springs.
Currently I think Shroomer Noct is the best logging option, you don't need so much wood so the partner skill effect is a nice benefit. Otherwise Celesdir is the best pal now with logging 4.
@@ProfessorPenking oh i've seen that video like 3 times by now and i miss heard all the time LOOL now that u said it and i went back and watched i did heard move speed LOOOL, okay makes sense thanks i will use the shroomer that will make so he is usefull, and just doesn't wander around thanks!!!! Keep up the awesome videos i've been learning a lot with u ! thanks
Do you ever bother with work speed on your character? Or leave to pump other stats?
Only from elixirs, then I place motivational leader on all my booster/utility pals like Gobfin/Galeclaw.
I don't do any crafting myself but it is nice to quickly build chests and altars.
why do you always work with 15 pals is there something i dont know? (for ur raids you do 15 also)
15 is the default, it's for people who play default or multiplayer.
I have my settings on 10 bases 50 pals but try to make the guides based on 4 and 15.
@@ProfessorPenking woah i didnt know 15 was default still when palbox goes to lvl 30 so i play on 30 per base (ty for reply)
did your 9.1 million per hour include the 40% bonus you get if you sold all your spheres with a party of pals that each had fine furs and noble? because if it doesnt and its ~13.6 mil, then its not even close
Yes, Fine furs/noble team, all research and all buffs are included.
Is it possible to stack siren of the void and invader on shadow beak? If so, is it optimal?
Yes
Only if you are specifically planning to use dark attacks. But Holy Burst/Absolute Frost builds would want the basic Legend/Demon/Serenity
Possible? Yes. Optimal.. depends. Invader + Siren only has a chance to even compete if you go full dark moves, obviously. If you run, say, holy burst, go with 1 or 0 or those.
The rest depends on whether the same type attack bonus is additive or multiplicative with other elemental boni. Assuming it's additive..
Demon God, Musclehead, Serenity and Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.7)*1.5*(1/(1-0.3)) = 364
Demon God, Serenity, Invader, Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.4)*1.8*(1/(1-0.3)) = 360
If you run 4 hoocrates on the other hand it would be..
Demon God, Musclehead, Serenity and Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.7+0.8)*1.5*(1/(1-0.3)) = 535
Demon God, Serenity, Invader, Siren should be something like: 100*(1+0.4+0.8)*1.8*(1/(1-0.3)) = 566
As a rule of thumb, it is basically always better to invest in the multiplier you have less of. Serenity, which is basically attack speed and therefore its own multiplier, being mandatory.
Honestly, it's all pretty close. If STAB is its own multiplier, it shifts a bit more towards elemental. If you run hoocrates aswell. Bases solely on this, elemental seems better for a personal Shadowbeak. That said, the shadowbeak passive also buffs dark damage while riding it. I dont know by how much, but it's probably a big chunk, therefore making attack damage better again. I did not get around to actually breed a direct comparison yet. For a raid army i would probably just go with attack, since you'd likely want to run holy burst anyways. Possibly for personal shadowbeak aswell tho.. in which case 0-1 dark elemental skills would be best, since it would only benefit 2/3 skills, drastically reducing its value.
Divine disaster 1 and 2 along with Dark wisp is probably the only use-case for that. Dark moves don't have the same AOE as other offerings so in general people will pick generalist builds, but Shadowbeak is the 1 use-case where it might make sense as DD1+DD2 is a pretty epic combo
If you're only gonna be using dark moves yes but issue right now with dark pals is that there isn't really alot of endgame content where dark is useable, most use case is probably against hard mode selyne but ryu resists dark and xenolord double resists dark.
Genuine question. What do you need 10 mil gold per hour for late game? Is it just cake ingredients and electric organs?
I'm not knocking the optimization. Genuinely curious if there's something else I could be buying to be more efficient because I already have more gold and cakes than my ammo/breeding pens can keep up with.
Multiplayer servers. I could definitely see the new work books sell for millions, depending on server economy.
i dont see ranch in ls base, how you get sooo many bones and pal fluids???
You buy them from a merchant with the 5 pals with noble and fine furs.
The price is included in the gold/h.
@ProfessorPenking ohh okay professor
No splatterina. Only 1 crafter? Are the ore not over producing in the gold base? I'd have at least 2 handiwork preferably Splatterina.
I think the point is to interface with the base as little as possible. he cycles through bases about once every 30 minutes or once an hour so has everything configured to have multiple production facilities and then just max them all out with his one visit. Another crafter would mean that the work gets done sooner, but then they would sit idle while they waited for the Astegon bottleneck to catch back up. Your right however that Splat would be better than Anubis but only marginally as Anubis has downtime between visits anyway. I scaled this up to 30 pals and still only need 1 craft and 1 cooling pal.
With Feybreaks work speeds 1 anubis can cover up to 45 mining Astegons.
In my humble opinion, both are good. Since i cant even imagine what you'd need this much gold on to run it continuously, i wouldnt ever imagine making a dedicated base to it. People who play with 10 bases and such may find that reasonable, but with the default i'd just sell / make money the way that fits into your base best. Am i missing something for which we may need anything even in the order of magnitude as 10m gold per hour? Like.. i run 1 or 2 cycles of 1 million gold in the printer and am set for a couple days of buying cake ingredients, bones, electric organs, pal fluids, .. and whatever else i may need. I could also just craft spheres as it's the same base, but the point here isnt really efficiency. What are you buying with that much gold? Honest question
the point is to set up a system and then not have to worry about it ever again. Back in Pre-SJ I set up a 3 base system for Eggs-Salad-Spheres and since then I've been able to do whatever I want in the game and literally all of the "Survival" elements are automated for me. Your right, crafting money at this pace is totally unnecessary and despite spending on whatever I want I still have a whole chest full of max stacks of coin. until the devs add a real use for endgame currency its just going to sit there.
The alpha wave generator is broken. It gives 10 SAN resist for 1 and no additional SAN resist for the second. I'd love someone else to verify, but I did a silly test on my channel. Pretty disappointed 2 doesn't work.
My thought is that the translation is the problem. it says "no more than two" but it probably means no more than "one of each" as there is an alpha an beta generator and its not intended to stack
The in-game description literally says there is no effect for placing multiple of these
@@fonze5664 It says different things for each wave generator. If it's a translation issue or a bug, we'll see.
@@fonze5664 the last sentence reads "Placing more than two will not have any additional effect." which implies that two will stack which is the issue.
@@bobnewkirk7003 I have tested with ONLY alpha generators. The second generator provides 0 additional SAN resist. So, you are right, either it's a mistranslation, or it's a bug.
honestly, playing on 2x or 3x spawns and beating all the boss pals for 2-3 days and selling their stuff with 5 palswith noble trait gives me way more than enough gold for all my eggs and milk, works best for me as i enjoy active gameplay.
Hmm, this channel's video possible not suitable for you then...
Why get so much gold though? I'm asking because i don't use that much gold
quick breading. even if you use best plantation with best pals and best ranch pals (all 4 star) you cant make enough ingreadents.
if you run coin maker sub optimally even then you can buy 999 (max before price hike for the day). each costs about 50 gp so... just about400-500k gold for 1k cakes. all the methods makes millions...
@@fenilkheni9494 Oh right, i use it for breeding too but considering how much more optimising pal professor is i imagine he has an entire base for breeding. Thanks for reminding me
@@duduvec5971 yahh, but right now thinking about it second time.
You need 7eggs,7milk,5flour,some berries and 2 honey. Honey can't be bought. Egg and milk sells for 50 each so that's just 700 gold per cake. With negotiation benifit passive skills(finefurs, nobel or something) that's just 1 million gold for 5-6 4star pals and these setup churns out upwards of 9 mil. At this rate only honey is gonna be bottle neck.
I wonder if he has 2-3 ranchs with fully maxed nocturnal beegrades...
your math is horrible. 7.6 mil divided by 3 clicks isn't 440k. but, then, the gold printer method is more than 3 clicks because you have to make ingots first.
bruhh your math is horrible. who the hell told you, that you need only 3 clicks per hour? 3 clicks per cycle is what you need.