this aiming system works great! I found this video months after I started using a modified version of shane's aiming system. This simplifies all other aiming system. As long as you have good fundamentals and you take the time to line the shot properly then it will help your game. After becoming practiced with this system I jumped 2 APA skill levels in just a single session.
I'm aware of 18 different aiming methods and used this system years ago. There are only 7 angles to a pocket, so really only 7 angles, 7 shots. They are mirrored depending on whether you are cutting to the right or left. For almost 2 years I didn't lose using this method but got bored just pocketing balls. This is NOT Shane's method or similar to it. He has Shane's method wrong in the video. When I first saw Shane's method, I thought it was B.S. but about 2 years later I saw it again. The guy shoots lights out so it must work. And it does! After only 4 days of honing it, I won 8 tournaments in 11 weeks, finished 2nd twice and 3rd once. I use Shanes method most days now and sometimes the 90/90 method. But the system this gentleman uses worked well for me for a few years. All of the differing systems change your cue ball pattern slightly so you have to get used to it. He doesn't mention what happens when you have to use english with this technique. It's the best part of the technique... while english changes the path slightly, it's not enough to overcome the size of the pocket. Since the ball is smaller than the pocket, left or right english on a shot will still pocket the shot. Now for Shane's system... Shane boils every shot down to one of 3 shots, not 7. So you are always only shooting 3 shots (again, the same shots are mirrored when cutting the other way). For shots that are less then 30 degrees to the pocket, if he's cutting to the left, Shane uses the right side of the stick (ferrule) to aim at the far right side of the ball. This gentleman has it wrong in the video and his angle is too steep. For an angle of 31-65 degrees to the pocket, Shane aims at the exact same point on the OB (the far right side) and aims the center of his stick there. Then for cuts greater than 65 degrees to the pocket, he aims the left edge of the ferrule at the far right edge of object ball. So he's always aiming at the same point on the OB with just a different part of his stick. Wallah! Only 3 shots you ever need to shoot. With this gentleman's technique, there are 7 different aim point or shots (I'm not sure that he's aware of that). That's it, not 100s. Many aiming techniques work well. They are all meant to get you to the point of contact (not aim, but contact that is necessary to pocket a ball). With whatever technique you use, the fundamental of you have to hit what you're aiming at is critical in being successful. So use what feels great to you and get good at it. There are many ways of figuring out the contact point. But this is a good video. Your mind remembers things in pictures, so for this technique, I have the 7 angles memorizes and have named them by portions of the ball 5 (dead center), 6 (2 mm to the right or left of the ball) 7 (4 mm), 7.5 (is a half ball hit), 8 is 2 mm right of 7.5), 8.5 is 1 mm right of that and 9 is the edge. 7's and 8's come up 80% of the time, so most time's you're shooting the same shot over and over. NOTE: That 1,2,3,4,etc. isn't needed because if you mirror the ball (cutting to the right or cutting to the left), the angles (hence, the shots) are exactly the same. Just on the other side of the ball. Ultimately, how could would you be if you only ever had to shoot only 3 (or even 7) shots?? Much better than when you are thinking there are 100's of shots.
This is just a variation or different perspective on the Ghost Ball method. In the Ghost Ball method, you find your contact point and visually draw a contact line that goes through the contact point to the pocket. Then you visually place a Ghost Ball on the contact line and you visually make an aim line that goes through the centre of the Ghost Ball. In the edge of ferrule method, you get your contact line in the same way. Then by lining up the edge of the ferrule with the contact point, you accurately and consistently get an aim line that goes through the centre of a Ghost Ball. It's the same method with a more accurate way of finding the centre of the Ghost Ball.
Well I tried this aiming system tonight in my league play. I have had trouble lining up cut shots. The ghost ball system was not consistent enough and the CTE system just seemed to be a little too complicated. I decided what the heck. Well I am so happy with the results. it is so simple and easy to execute. I had a couple of five ball runs and won three of my matches. Thank you for this excellent aiming system.
Glad it helped but very surprised you have positive outcome from first trial. This aiming is unnatural compared to how we learned and I struggled for two weeks to adjust to it.
@@edscott1528 Call it beginners luck or what ever. I had no real aiming system to unlearn so that may have helped me to focus on this system and get instant results. I am still using it and as long as I hit my spot, I get the result I want. Thanks again for posting this and your other video. Take care.
Just wanted to say hi and let you know that I got back on a pool table this afternoon after about 1 1/2 years. I'm a golf coach/instructor and just didn't have the time. Anyway, after trying a few shots, I remembered the edge of the ferrule system. WOW! It still works - even for bank shots and shots with English. Yes, it took a few shots to tell myself to use the edge of the ferrule and to pick out the contact point. But, when I did, I made the shot. Thank you! For an old man who spends much more time on the golf course than the pool table, it's still nice to make some shots when I do go.
This is the kind of system you use in high pressure situations to close out a game. Tor Lowry is a big proponent learning how to move the cue ball around the table without left and right English. This is a perfect system for just that.
@@barbarasteed3966 You should google Tor Lowry's videos because they are really good. Especially liked his explanation of the "sliding cue ball." But Tor doesn't like aiming systems and would probably laugh at this one!
😄omg im laughing so hard! This guy is so funny! He says Shane shoots alright! hahaha,lmao. I guarantee it! then he says tell you what!!! if I miss the shot it wont be my foult its the tables foult,the table is very tough! 😄😄😂😂😂. I would love to play a few tables with him,he seems like a cool guy 👍. I tryed this system and I love it! thank you for sharing.
Wow very nice table! Also I like Tor Lowry stuff a lot too, I havenit all. Good video, I'm watching it again and will be focusing on it later when I play tonite!
I saw the video you are talking about many years ago. Awesome system. There were a lot of skeptics on his comment section though. Don't know why. He was just talking about his aiming system and not forcing it on anyone. I guess people can't believe it can be that simple.
Thanks. I will post a short video on banking where I give some useful tips on certain bread and butter banks. But not until after Derby City next week.
Yup, I remember the original video too. It seems to me it was an older video. The picture was kind of dark. Always made sense to me. Thanks for throwing something back out there on this.
I perfected this 19 years ago in my late 20's; I called this the CLS, Center Line Shaft system (or Chris Lazok System after myself HA! ) TIPS: NOW HEAR THIS! : I have astigmatism so I use this method but also need to compensate as I cannot see the outer edge THIS IS HOW: CIT shots that are outside or overshadow the actual contact point are the most difficult with this system. (reverse or negative cuts as well): As an improvement to "Using your imagination" as this gentlemen has noted; you will find the outer edge of your cue far beyond the contact Ball altogether in some cases. Here is the improvement: I draw a line strait past the edge of the contact point to the rail...bisecting or 'pinching' the rail. OR/also the 'shadow edge' of the object ball can be used, as a shadow is cast on the table from dark in color to lighter shades. lining up the shadow with 'outer edge of the cue' ; THEN I use this system drawing a line strait past to the contact point pinching the rail and outer edge, (helps to try this with rail balls then move 1 diamond out like the shane shot). works great to do impossible cuts or side cushion/pocket cuts from the head. I used this system for a long time just by 'ozmosis' or what I thought was my own advanced combination of Ghost ball and 'point to point' shooting. To compensate for the Actual outer edge of the Cue Ball connecting to the perceived contact point given by other systems. MIND YOUR Stick Diameter and TIP size using this system, Conical shafts can be tricky; Likewise LD Shaft users also MIND your squirt at slow/med/hard speeds; then map your squirt on long Med speed shots; you MUST Memorize This so your 'CLS' will now be 'Dialed In'; I also use the lighting system to find approximate contact points, They are Easier to aim at! When I recognize 'Thow balls' or my low percentage shots with this system I PRACTICE my weaknesses, and don't have any shame in using More then one system!... I got the idea when reading Ray martin's book then later confirmed my thoughts while reading capelli book on pool where he had a chart of throw and percentage cuts. But abandoned it because NOBODY knew what I was talking about! Or said I was Cryptonesically connecting systems in the wrong way! It never had a name or showed in any books and I didn't care about pool enough to play tournaments or write books on it.
So the original Shane Van Boening demonstration is in a TAR video from around 10 years ago (on TH-cam). They then shot a SVB training video which is still available to purchase on both Amazon and the TAR website. Then on a later TAR video (on TH-cam) Shane goes over it once again. However to really understand what Shane is talking about you do have to buy the DVD or the clip on TAR.com. You are saying the exact same thing though
i am also using the same technique on aiming sir :) and yeah its very easy and effective .. i already know all the aimpoints and i can easily judge the cut angle i need while lining up with the shot.. its just a matter of having a good smooth straight stroke to pocket every shots using this system and thats what im still lacking of :( .. but still, i can easily pocket balls 8 out of 10 with this aiming system even if i have a very poor stroke and cue ball control... great job and thank you for making this vid ,now i know im doing it right :) thank you! godbless !
Thank you. I've been using this method for about four years now and the one takeaway I have is that it works - but on many misses my mind would not let me execute the prescribed shot. It's easy to reject the EOF aim because it just "feels" wrong. Then you make that slight adjustment during the shot to "correct" back to a more natural aim. Stay with it and stroke through exactly as prescribed!
I really like this aiming system but one thing I didn't notice until I watched it twice. The aim is actually inside the cue ball if the picture is to be believed. And it looks to be about 1/4 of the way inside the cue ball. And it seems to me that if we look at the bottom of the cue ball and shoot straight up that should put us close to the spot.
His system is correct, , better than Cj Wiley Touch of Inside, better than CTE , better than Samba , better than SEE System and the best part of it its for free . A very quick tutorial and easy to understand ,
Juan Ball it only works on a few shots. It takes time to learn CTE, but once you do, you're confidence on shots goes way up. I'm sure the old guy means well but he's wrong!!!
You are right Robert, The old system is working for me right now, The Ghost Ball . I developed a technique on how to hit the center point of the Ghost ball. .
RP - I find his approach useful but falters increasingly as thinner cuts are approached. I shoot a fair game but CTE remains a mystery, and I have read and watched considerably. Any insight most welcome. Regards
Juan Ball i agree with u, TOI much" helping in stright in shoot, CTE not working in slow rolling shoot ( very hard to add english on it ) dead failure in the almost stright in shot n need english on it, but CTE is correcly potting the ball, but some case of the ball, ita very akward to stroke it on, but i know that was correct line to potting the ball, cause i can stroke it well its very hard to do cte all the time, this sistem is easy, easy to poketing the ball, easy to add englis on it, easy to deliver the cue, but some time easy to miss, after all i staring to use this
1Skeptik1 CTE confused me in the beginning. You can email me at rprzpnting@gmail.com and we can go over different types of shots and how to aim using the ferrule and CTE
Hey Robert, That was some very nice shooting, and it reminds me of Hal Houle's system called CTE center to edge, now being explained and taught by Master Teacher Stan Schuffet, who has made DVD video's called CTE pro 1 & 2. Watch how well his son Landon Schuffet utilizes the perfect pool system of all time? They say that Efren Reyes and group of Filipinos were trained personally by Hal Houle. It's a wonderful training system for me in directing my cue and eyes to the shot line, better then the ghost ball system and I would recommend learning it first by John Barton (JB cases)before ordering the DVD's;) Gino
You've figured out a small part of aiming. It doesn't work for every shot. For example, a half ball shot will not work. It doesn't work because you need to aim with the center of your cue. Shane explained his basic aiming system, but theres a little more to it than 3 basic angles.
I do not follow your point. I assume by "half ball shot" you mean aim the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball. I agree that shot is usually under cut and almost never is made. But if you were using edge of the ferrule there is no such thing as the "half ball shot". Instead there is more cut being applied.
@Jeff Sol I apologize but still do not follow this argument. A 30 degree cut is exactly where edge of the ferrule aiming corrects the undercut you get when you try aiming the center of the cue ball at the contact point.
This is very dependent on shaft flex, ferrule diameter and bridge length!!! Also, what if you are playing english (side spin) that calls for tip placement other than what is suggested here? See, it breaks down immediately. What people who "teach" aiming systems do not seem to understand is that their brain and eye have developed a mechanism that works for them and they THINK it is "just this or that". Wrong!! The best aiming system is the one each person develops for him/her-self through understanding the basic principles of ball-ball and ball-pocket lines and a lot of hard work and practice. No ONE person can ever teach another person an aiming system that "just works" simply because each of them has a different set of eyes, spaced differently on their respective heads (hence geometric perspectives differ) and located differently relative to the cue (head one one side or the other or centered directly above the cue, etc) and relative to their stances (how low or high they are above the cue when down on the shot). The only thing that is a constant for everyone is that the physics of the game is reliable and the same for everyone. Everything else is unique to each individual. I applaud folks for trying to provide mechanisms they feel will help others but the reality of it is that we each have the only mechanism we ever need...our own brain. My two cents worth.
Once I went to a lesson with a good pool pro, after asking him if he has an aiming system I can use, he says that he really had shot every possible shot in pool about a million times, so there is no shortcut
can you explain many situation more accurate with schema, drawing please. i dont understand at first where you aim the center of the cue ball.thx in advance
Sorry I'm not good with graphics in videos but the center of the cue ball is not being aimed. The sight line down the side of your shaft is being aimed through the cue ball at the contact point on the object ball no matter what english you are applying (except for adjusting for deflection - see below). If you are using no english then the tip of your cue is aiming at the center of the cue ball but that is irrelevant because you are really aiming the sight line (not the center of the cue ball) at the contact point.
I haven't tried this technique yet and am very new to "learning" how to shoot instead of playing solely on instinct. I'd love to see and updated, more in depth remake of this video.
It's now about five years later and I'm planning to do an update. This method of aiming is somewhat unnatural and I imagine very difficult to embrace for a beginner. I've discussed it with many seasoned players and pros and about 104% of them don't like it. The thing is it is so awkward at first it takes about two weeks of using it before you can even tolerate it - but then you begin to see it's advantage over your old way.
Great service to pool players everywhere. If you can see that spot inside the cue ball where the lines meet up and then using the edge of the ferrule stroke the cue ball exactly to that spot you are golden. This system has merit, a lot of merit. But there's something fishy (in my mind at least) about using the left edge of the ferrule to guide the shot. Instinctively I know that the shot will hit fat if I use the center of the ferrule to guide the shot but for the life of me I don't understand why. Also what we've got here are a lot of different width ferrules out there. What is the most accurate shaft width to have for this system to work ?
Not sure why you only cite using the left edge. When cutting to the right you use the right edge of the ferrule. You are correct that center ball aiming causes fat shots (i.e. they are undercut). The reason is that the wrong point on the back of the cue ball strikes the object ball. As it turns out (you will need to draw a diagram to see what I am saying) if you draw the shot line through the object ball from the contact point to the pocket, this shot line emerges at a specific point on the back of the object ball. It is that corresponding point on the back of the cue ball that must make contact with the contact point on the object ball. This is not the point on the back of the cue ball when using center ball aiming. The nice thing about edge of the ferrule aiming is you don't need to think about all these parallel lines; it causes a automatic correction that brings the correct point on the cue ball closer to the contact point on the object ball.
Does anybody know how he put side spin on the cue ball when aiming with the edge of the ferrule? Let’s say he cutting to the right. The reason I’m asking is the cues tip is not center of the cue ball, that’s the part that’s throwing me for a loop!
Wow what a great comment! First, if the tip is not aligned with the center of the cue ball then it was an error in the shot setup. (Something for me to review.) But to answer your question the edge of the ferrule aiming is assuming a center ball hit. If you want to add english to your shot you must account for any deflection it will cause. But this is no different than any other aiming system - you always have to account for deflection. There are several ways to account for deflection, including back hand english, elevating the butt slightly, pivot, and of course adjusting the contact point you are aiming at. But all of these apply equally to any aiming method and are independent from edge of the ferrule aiming.
rono8275 ...ferrule goes Center to Center of the Cue Ball. when 'in the air' drop the cue directly down, aiming the edge of the shaft NOT the Tip, through the contact point. when you drop down you should be in the center of the cue. Then you can 'pivot' or back hand' for any further throw or english. You'll see efrin doing this stroking almost into the bottom of the ball before he executes his shot. And you'll see Corey Duelle doing this constantly with almost all his shots. I only say 'not the tip' B/C of Conical shafts and small diameter tips will throw you off on long shots. Please see my other post on this.
I am not a fan of any method that pivots your body or moves the back hand off the stroke line. The whole goal of good pool is getting your stroke as straight and consistent as possible. This method needs neither a pivot nor a back hand move. To answer your question you aim the edge of your shaft/ferrule at the contact point on the object ball. That's it. Even when you are using english and not striking the cue call in the center. The only caveat - which has nothing to do with how edge of the ferrule aiming corrects the the error in center to center aiming - is that using english causes deflection, and you must compensate using some other means; either changing your aim or back hand english. Also lifting the butt of the cue slightly reduces deflection.
I have developed an aiming system to a level where I can judge the small differences between angles, like 30deg and 37degree...and guess what, I did not see any video on the internet explain this...I have a "good" level where I can run 60-70 balls in straight pool, 3-4 consec racks of 9ball... There is a common thing that works for all aiming systems but very very few are doing
If the edge of the shaft is aligned to center of the cue ball then this is tantamount to applying 1/2 tip of english: either left or right. The original presenter claimed english does not affect the aiming system, however I would amend that to say watch out for deflection (squirt) when using english. This and every other aiming system must compensate (i.e. change the aim point or something in your stroke) for deflection.
OK i am looking at 8:13, you did not hit the object ball with the part of the cue ball on the left side of your stick, you cut it thinner, you had to compensate at that angle and you did, watch the vid at .25 speed. you adjusted and i Guarantee that. it looks like it is working for you at lesser angles.
Yes you can apply english while still using the edge of your ferrule to aim at the contact point. However, you must account for the impending deflection. See my response to your other comment.
I'm a golf instructor/coach of 26 years so I don't get to play much pool anymore. However, I still enjoy practicing when I can and play a little one pocket and straight pool. One problem shot I have is with a cut shot the length of the table with the CB and OB are VERY close together. I have trouble aiming this shot, even with edge of ferrule aiming. Any suggestions?
Me too. I think you have to go to a "point to point" visualization of what exact point on the cue ball must contact the exact point on the object ball required to make the shot. Here edge of the ferrule no longer applies because there is no aim line sighting to be done; you are simply trying to move the cue ball into this alignment of contact points. Good luck! And let us know if you find a silver bullet.
Yes the bigger the angle the harder it is to rely on this simple method because a) you may not be able to actually see the contact point and b) the correction that edge of the ferrule makes to a center ball aim may not be enough.
This mans a genius shooting the simplest form of pool. He’s not crazy! He sounds crazy because what he saying sounds good to be true, but... it’s not. You have to see perceptions and play from a offset and understand what that means to see the shot line and the contact point. You have to do some research!!! But what he is saying is 100% correct! No one gets it. Read Hal Houles’ 3 angle document!!! Once you completely understand that, then you’ll understand what this man here is seeing perceptually and is doing physically. Pool is a visual and a physical game. The eyes lead and the body follows. It’s just that simple. People try to complicate the fuck out of this game. I’m no pro I will not say that! But I’ve only been shooting 1 year and can beat most that have shot for 3-4 maybe even 5 or 6. Idk, but the point is that pool isn’t about being Albert Einstein, Hal Houles system takes you to the shot line that connects with the geometry of the entire table AUTOMATICALLY!!!!!!! who wouldn’t want to shoot like that?!?! That’s what the pros are doing!!! Visualizing a half tip pivot into center cue ball from 3 objective aimpoints on a object ball!!! Just do the research like the pros have done and you’ll start seeing things the way they see it. I’ve gotten all this advice from a man with a TH-cam Chanel. His channel is “stan shuffett” and he’ll teach you everything you need to know. He WILL NOT FAIL YOU!!! Listen to the seriousness in his voice and just open your mind and ears and take it all in. You’ll become great if you follow this mans footsteps. Wouldn’t be close to where I am now if it wasn’t for @stanshuffett
I too after 30 yrs starting using shuffet cte and I am getting quite accomplished at it. I bought stans video , the only thing I disliked was there was no section on cte banking. I usually use the diamond system cut in half and half , this works ok for me but i see stan making banks like their straight in. Wish nunley or stan or lil chris would give us that bank knowledge.
Yeah, give Hal credit on this man's video which has zero to do with Hal's system. More people have quit CTE than stayed with it. A LOT MORE. How are you Stan ?
Is that a Schuller cue? I just tried this system with my Schuller and it worked every time, assuming I can keep the contact point in my mind's eye. If I can't do that then, well, nothing will work.
Not a Schuyler - I think its a Joss with a Predator shaft - but I'm glad to hear the system is fungible. And yes keeping the contact point in your "mind's eye" is the trick, especially when the actual contact point may not be visible from your shooting stance.
Absolutely does not work for tougher cut shots , but , maybe I'm just doing it wrong. I use a version of cte/shish kabob and works great but tough cuts are just all feel for me. Truth is I find edge of ferrule the hardest sys to use consistently, I'm not knocking it , just harder for me is all.
You are correct. As I said in the video it works for about 80% of the shots on the table. Like all aiming systems it fades out as the cuts get more extreme because there is actually no visible contact point to aim at. The value in my opinion is improving your success rate on making the 80%. If it increases your game 25% on the 80%, your overall game improves 15%-20% depending on your baseline success rate.
It's free. I assume you are asking if you can download it for use outside youtube. Simply log into your TH-cam account at studio.youtube.com, find the video you want to download, and click the three-dot menu button alongside it. From there, you'll see a button marked “Download.” Simply pressing that will download an MP4 copy of your video, although it is limited to 720p resolution.
I think he was being a little ironic and understated when saying Shane shoots "alright" as if saying that despite Shane having a slightly different method to him, he doesn't do too badly with it.
Actually I may do a bank video but I believe there are way more important factors to consider than edge of the ferrule aiming. Freddy Bentivegna's book Banking with the Beard is a great read and much faster way to raise your banking game.
I know the video your talking about, I can't find it either. Have you determined a way to see the correct spot on a long shot or hard cuts. I like this way alot but I cant use it always because of not seeing the exact point. I know he placed his cue at the base of the cb. Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
I have no secret tips for finding the contact pinpoint on long shots. I do however run a "center to edge" check on all long shots just to be sure I'm aligned right. But I agree the contact point may require some quess work. But my pocket percentage on these long shots has improved dramatically using edge of the ferrule aiming at the perceived contact point.
Do you line up your feet center center ? if not how are you looking at the two balls so your in the correct position every time to see the point on the OB you want to hit ?
I do not think changing the sight line affected my stance. I could be wrong and my stance just naturally adjusted to the new sight line, but I would not suggest trying to make a calculated adjustment, rather just make sure everything is in line to sight down the edge of the ferrule.
If you use the left or right edge of the ferrule are you hitting center cue ball with the ferrule or hitting center cue ball with tip of the cue. If you’re using the edge of the ferrule and the ferrule is not the center cue ball wont you be imparting English to the cue ball?
Yes of course. But the aiming system is not affected or adjusted when you use english. When using english adjust your aim for the squirt but start with the edgel of ferrule aim line.
It looks like what you do is very similiar to Shane Van Boening, he doesn't do a good job of explaining it. I don't know if the question was rehearsed ahead of time. Since he has a hearing problem his speaking skills are weak. I like this much better than "Ghost Ball", because you are aiming at a real point on the ball, (with the exception of very thin cuts). Does it work for shots where the OB is close to the cue ball ? I've tried it, and when it's close I have to adjust it more. Thanks, Bob U.
Apparently Shane changes his method based on how the amount of cut because he does not look at the contact point. Instead he looks at the edge of the object ball. Therefore, his contact point is changing as the angle changes and he has to change his aiming method. I claim always looking down the correct side of your shaft works on ALL shots. Which brings up your next question. This is a great great question. Yes it does work on very close shots and also very thin cuts but there is a trick. On these extreme cuts you cannot see the contact point but if you visualize it (imagine where the contact point is when you cannot see it) and you also make sure the cue ball will contact the object ball at this imaginary point then it works. But that is easier said that done. So I have another trick to apply: if there is laser beam 1 coming off the edge of your shaft, then make sure it intersects laser beam 2 (the path from the object ball to the hole extended in both directions) at a RIGHT angle. Uh, I better do another video but "I guarantee it works!"
Lol.his is system I use....works with any. English also as long as you pace the cue ball (hit firmly) ...I miss when my stroke has a hitch in it (unsound fundamentals) ...I over cut extream cuts (pro miss) more then anything Its rear if I drive ball into a rail ...when I see ghost ball users....I chuckle....that system will always let you down..... . One word of advice....when 1st using ...more then likely you will miss....that's your brain fighting you with new knowelage applied..and may have to unlearn.what you know currently......just my personal observation,may be different for you......set up easy shots so you can have early success which reinforces the system
I haven't had a chance to try your system/theory out yet but I do have a question. Do you aim the same way when applying English or for bank shots? Thank you for your time.
Yes. The gentleman from the original video claimed english did not matter. But I would caution that english creates squirt (deflection) which creates a huge error in the shot. So the gentleman is correct; if you know how to compensate for deflection then no extra adjustments are needed when using edge of the ferrule aiming.
One reason this system is not universally adopted is that it is unnatural. No one learns or feels right when not aiming down the exact center on the exact shot line. Many people give it up after a few tries because things just don't look and feel right. In my case it took at least a week to connect before I could appreciate its value. Don't give up!
Thought as much - thanks! (geometry) I didn't notice ferrule dia. mentioned in presentation? Regards Note: Tried it - see some merit but falls off as thinner cuts approached.
I believe a 1 mm or so error down the sight line does not matter. Edge of the ferrule system is correcting for a much larger error that occurs when you sight down the center of the cue to the contact point.
My guess, and I have absolutely no data to back this up, is that the skinnier shaft creates more squirt but also lessens the edge of the ferrule aiming effect such that they cancel out and you can use this method with confidence with any shaft diameter.
You miss. Of course it depends on what you are lining up onto but if it is the normal "ghost" contact point you will badly undercut the shot. I guarantee it.
paul goodier yes but it is claimed the aiming system works even when using English unless the squirt deflects your aim too much. The important thing is to aim the vector off the edge of your shaft at the contact point on the object ball.
Does not work I have did this before the problem with it is the cuts and especially the ones past 90 also the long shots with lots of bottom CTE is much better it works absolutely work I know because I have been doing this for only a few weeks now and my game has went from a solid B player to to a solid a player only thing I have to work on that now is a little defense
I believe other factors in banking outweigh the benefits of edge of the ferrule aiming. The are: collision induced english, speed, throw and the salubrious effects of "cut and draw." See Freddy the Beard's book. Not saying forget edge of the ferrule aiming altogether as it could supplement these other factors.
Well that's a different aiming problem and frankly I have no system to recommend to correct for it. I have experienced some success with back hand english.
Yes Shawn he said Shane plays OK ....Lol ....Wow!!!!!! I'm still ready to play some I'm 46 and have my own Flooring business for 22 years ...I install flooring Five days a week and play on some weekends . I would love to play this guy some 9ball or One Pocket and see if he never misses ! I love a challenge for sure . If he wins , I'll pay off shake hands and put it on here for all to see . That's how I was raised .....
Backyard Billiards hi there ! I think using the ghost ball gives you the spot on the object ball to aim too , then follow up the ferrule aiming to the spot on the ball , and bingo it’s all the way to the back of the pocket ! Anyway I just wanted to reply about the ghost ball , and hope I make sense .
Yes, exactly right. The contact point on the object ball is exactly where the ghost ball would contact it. The under appreciated point is that it is that same spot on the cue ball that must contact that contact point, and edge of the ferrule helps cause that.
I am told by Greg Sullivan that my Diamond is the most difficult production Diamond ever made. The reason is that Diamond experimented with a 1 or 2 degree wider facing angle the year my table was made (1999). The result is it spits out anything unclean.
just a question....this technique needs to perceive that right edge of ferrule aimed at contact point,right? because other than that cut shot goes pretty thick....I am a right dominant eye player and sometimes it works and sometimes not i guess it depends on my focus on contact point and edge of ferrule sometimes i perceive that right sometimes it is way off...I appreciate if you explain about that more because I guess sighting right is a key for this technique.
Someone asked if this uses right edge of ferrule. Yes but only when cutting to right. Cut to left, look down left edge of shaft; cut to right, look down right edge of shaft.
Some one asked if I use it on banks. No. Yes aiming is important but reading the bank for speed, length, English, collision induced English, and deflection are all much more important. Read Freddy the Beard's book.
I haven't tried the system but if it works the theory would stand that if you aim properly at the contact point you shouldn't miss. I think if you miss you did not contact the cue ball in the correct spot.
Edge of the ferrule aiming (and by the way "touch of inside" and "center to edge with a pivot" and other aiming techniques) mitigates the undercutting error in center ball aiming. English introduces deflection which also affects aiming. However you compensate for deflection is complementary to basic edge of the ferrule aiming.
Don't take me wrong I saved your video and have watched many times, but are u really arrogant about never missing or just confident or joking about never missing? Please don't take this wrong. Thank yoy
sorry but this is wrong. this edge of ferrule system does work on a certain angle and I use it for that but any more of a cut and and youll hit the ball thick and vice versa. I mean think about it you only need to draw it out on paper. I'm not saying your lying just compensating. And you should be able to see the contact point on any makeable shot its not on the other side of the ball.
Didn't the gentleman here show a variety of "certain angle" and "more of a cut" type shots in his video? I think the suggestion too was that on certain shots such as tight or extreme cuts, the contact point is not as visible once you move from lining up the contact point of the object ball with your cue, to where the sweet spot of the contact point is once you go back to the cue ball and set up to it. Imagine that you had a heavily chalked up cue and when lining up the contact point on the object ball on an extreme angle cut, you inadvertently touched the cue ball to the extent that you left a cue tip sized chalk mark on the object ball from your cue tip. If you then moved to set up your aim and stance behind the cue ball, then that chalk mark on the object ball might not show up and be completely visible to you from where you are now standing.
Yes the the gentleman in this video did pocket a variety of different cuts. Im saying hes compensating. Also SVB never said he aims the edge of shaft to contact point. He said that on some shots he lines up the edge of his shaft with the edge of the object ball, and other shots he will line up the middle of his shaft to to the obect ball and it goes on from there. If you cant see the contact point of the object ball you should probably think about kicking it. The outmost edge of the ball is all you can hit. Look if this is working for you great but I promise you if you had a lazer beam you wont be using edge of ferrule to contact point on every cut and make it. Heres why, if you project the edge of shaft through the cue ball to the other side of it you have the point that the cue ball will strike the object ball, right? Its always going to be the same spot and as you hopefully know that spot will change depending on the cut. Think about both extremes, straight and all the way to the biggest cut. Line up a straight in shot and shoot edge of shaft to contact point, the angle that you will miss that shot is the angle the shot is good for. If your a beginner and you aim this way and miss it is because this is crap.
I'm just responding to each of your particular points here, hopefully in what comes over as a polite enough manner, as it's sometimes hard to tell with the written word. Sorry, I'm not really sure exactly how you mean he is compensating. I didn't actually watch Shane's video so have no particular view on it but will take a look later. I've not tried this myself so don't know yet if it works for me or not. Isn't a straight shot basically centre striking on the cue ball to centre contact point on the object ball anyway, so there's no cut involved? The man in this video is only talking about cut shots as far as I can tell and he uses the left side of his cue aimed at the contact point on the object ball when cutting to the left, where that contact point will be on the right side of the object ball and vice versa. The graphic at 1:29 probably shows this system best and so when cutting to the left, the contact point on the object ball is obviously to the right as mentioned earlier, so even aiming the left side of the cue shaft at that contact point, it's still cue ball centre striking anyway when not applying any spin. On that graphic, if you imagine the cue is the hour hand on a clock then the butt end is point at 7 o'clock for that particular displayed shot and with centre striking on the cue ball, yet you can swivel the butt end around to 6 o'clock whilst still staying with centre striking on the cue ball but then the left side of the shaft is no longer aiming at the contact point of the object ball on the graphic.
This is a totally flawed system and I would hate to see someone just starting to play get discouraged and think it was something in their mechanics. Cue ball contact point to object ball contact point is the objective and it wont happen this way. Try it for yourself and then get back to me.
He didn't seem to miss too many shots and none of them were easy. The correct cue ball contact point to the correct object ball contact point is exactly what he is displaying here in this video. He's just showing which method he uses as a guide to ensure both of those correct contact points are hit.
let me guess your not playing on the tour because your so deadly your banned in 50 states , just kidding I couldn't resist that , but I did wanna ask it looks like those are all center ball hits ........ has your position suffered when making balls and getting position , so lets say yer a half tip left your looking at 1 single plane that includes 3 things the cueball the object ball and the pocket , all at once well if you have a low stance . so you are saying to maintain your standard stroke with left English but point the left part of ferrule at the contact point ? so the eyes don't even look at the cueball just the object ball and the ferule alignment ,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the English is maintained through a good pool stroke
I only look at two things: where I am striking the cue ball with the center of my tip, and where the aim line (which comes off either the right or left edge of the ferrule when you are cutting right or left respectively) is meeting the contact point on the cue ball. I do not look at the pocket. As you know your vision alternates between these two focal points during practice shots until you finally release the shot. The last thing you look at just before shooting is the contact point on the object ball.
@@ronnepini8007 Agree, I've used Mike's system and it's is good but I find Ed's system easier and more reliable. Never thought about it but you are right, basically same system, just get it done a bit different.
this aiming system works great! I found this video months after I started using a modified version of shane's aiming system. This simplifies all other aiming system. As long as you have good fundamentals and you take the time to line the shot properly then it will help your game. After becoming practiced with this system I jumped 2 APA skill levels in just a single session.
Hey Nick do you still use this aiming system? I think it the best once you get use to finding the contact point
I'm aware of 18 different aiming methods and used this system years ago. There are only 7 angles to a pocket, so really only 7 angles, 7 shots. They are mirrored depending on whether you are cutting to the right or left. For almost 2 years I didn't lose using this method but got bored just pocketing balls. This is NOT Shane's method or similar to it. He has Shane's method wrong in the video. When I first saw Shane's method, I thought it was B.S. but about 2 years later I saw it again. The guy shoots lights out so it must work. And it does! After only 4 days of honing it, I won 8 tournaments in 11 weeks, finished 2nd twice and 3rd once. I use Shanes method most days now and sometimes the 90/90 method. But the system this gentleman uses worked well for me for a few years. All of the differing systems change your cue ball pattern slightly so you have to get used to it. He doesn't mention what happens when you have to use english with this technique. It's the best part of the technique... while english changes the path slightly, it's not enough to overcome the size of the pocket. Since the ball is smaller than the pocket, left or right english on a shot will still pocket the shot. Now for Shane's system... Shane boils every shot down to one of 3 shots, not 7. So you are always only shooting 3 shots (again, the same shots are mirrored when cutting the other way). For shots that are less then 30 degrees to the pocket, if he's cutting to the left, Shane uses the right side of the stick (ferrule) to aim at the far right side of the ball. This gentleman has it wrong in the video and his angle is too steep. For an angle of 31-65 degrees to the pocket, Shane aims at the exact same point on the OB (the far right side) and aims the center of his stick there. Then for cuts greater than 65 degrees to the pocket, he aims the left edge of the ferrule at the far right edge of object ball. So he's always aiming at the same point on the OB with just a different part of his stick. Wallah! Only 3 shots you ever need to shoot. With this gentleman's technique, there are 7 different aim point or shots (I'm not sure that he's aware of that). That's it, not 100s. Many aiming techniques work well. They are all meant to get you to the point of contact (not aim, but contact that is necessary to pocket a ball). With whatever technique you use, the fundamental of you have to hit what you're aiming at is critical in being successful. So use what feels great to you and get good at it. There are many ways of figuring out the contact point. But this is a good video. Your mind remembers things in pictures, so for this technique, I have the 7 angles memorizes and have named them by portions of the ball 5 (dead center), 6 (2 mm to the right or left of the ball) 7 (4 mm), 7.5 (is a half ball hit), 8 is 2 mm right of 7.5), 8.5 is 1 mm right of that and 9 is the edge. 7's and 8's come up 80% of the time, so most time's you're shooting the same shot over and over. NOTE: That 1,2,3,4,etc. isn't needed because if you mirror the ball (cutting to the right or cutting to the left), the angles (hence, the shots) are exactly the same. Just on the other side of the ball. Ultimately, how could would you be if you only ever had to shoot only 3 (or even 7) shots?? Much better than when you are thinking there are 100's of shots.
Hi Ken hall could you email me your aiming systems please.
I'm Johnny.
johnnyaguilar.x@gmail.com
@Focus Crocus Yes, Buddy beat me 7-3 once in a Steve Mizerak Senior event.
This is just a variation or different perspective on the Ghost Ball method. In the Ghost Ball method, you find your contact point and visually draw a contact line that goes through the contact point to the pocket. Then you visually place a Ghost Ball on the contact line and you visually make an aim line that goes through the centre of the Ghost Ball. In the edge of ferrule method, you get your contact line in the same way. Then by lining up the edge of the ferrule with the contact point, you accurately and consistently get an aim line that goes through the centre of a Ghost Ball. It's the same method with a more accurate way of finding the centre of the Ghost Ball.
Well I tried this aiming system tonight in my league play. I have had trouble lining up cut shots. The ghost ball system was not consistent enough and the CTE system just seemed to be a little too complicated. I decided what the heck. Well I am so happy with the results. it is so simple and easy to execute. I had a couple of five ball runs and won three of my matches. Thank you for this excellent aiming system.
Glad it helped but very surprised you have positive outcome from first trial. This aiming is unnatural compared to how we learned and I struggled for two weeks to adjust to it.
@@edscott1528 Call it beginners luck or what ever. I had no real aiming system to unlearn so that may have helped me to focus on this system and get instant results.
I am still using it and as long as I hit my spot, I get the result I want. Thanks again for posting this and your other video. Take care.
Just wanted to say hi and let you know that I got back on a pool table this afternoon after about 1 1/2 years. I'm a golf coach/instructor and just didn't have the time. Anyway, after trying a few shots, I remembered the edge of the ferrule system. WOW! It still works - even for bank shots and shots with English. Yes, it took a few shots to tell myself to use the edge of the ferrule and to pick out the contact point. But, when I did, I made the shot. Thank you! For an old man who spends much more time on the golf course than the pool table, it's still nice to make some shots when I do go.
This is the kind of system you use in high pressure situations to close out a game. Tor Lowry is a big proponent learning how to move the cue ball around the table without left and right English. This is a perfect system for just that.
My eyes are good but my hearing must be going can't make our 2 words in a row.
@@barbarasteed3966 You should google Tor Lowry's videos because they are really good. Especially liked his explanation of the "sliding cue ball." But Tor doesn't like aiming systems and would probably laugh at this one!
😄omg im laughing so hard! This guy is so funny! He says Shane shoots alright! hahaha,lmao. I guarantee it! then he says tell you what!!! if I miss the shot it wont be my foult its the tables foult,the table is very tough! 😄😄😂😂😂. I would love to play a few tables with him,he seems like a cool guy 👍. I tryed this system and I love it! thank you for sharing.
Wow very nice table! Also I like Tor Lowry stuff a lot too, I havenit all. Good video, I'm watching it again and will be focusing on it later when I play tonite!
Lol, “if I miss, it won’t be my fault”...😂😂😂😂😂😂
Very enjoyable.... and for the first time I have a good idea what Shane was trying to explain.
Its all about practice and having the force be with you. Be the ball.
I saw the video you are talking about many years ago. Awesome system. There were a lot of skeptics on his comment section though. Don't know why. He was just talking about his aiming system and not forcing it on anyone. I guess people can't believe it can be that simple.
What was the video?
Clear....Simple....effective.I agree with Amakakenu, would love to see more videos from you....maybe even with table top graphics
Thanks. I will post a short video on banking where I give some useful tips on certain bread and butter banks. But not until after Derby City next week.
Yup, I remember the original video too. It seems to me it was an older video. The picture was kind of dark. Always made sense to me. Thanks for throwing something back out there on this.
Mullings Ultimate Aiming System that was released on VHS ?
I perfected this 19 years ago in my late 20's; I called this the CLS, Center Line Shaft system (or Chris Lazok System after myself HA! ) TIPS: NOW HEAR THIS! : I have astigmatism so I use this method but also need to compensate as I cannot see the outer edge THIS IS HOW: CIT shots that are outside or overshadow the actual contact point are the most difficult with this system. (reverse or negative cuts as well): As an improvement to "Using your imagination" as this gentlemen has noted; you will find the outer edge of your cue far beyond the contact Ball altogether in some cases. Here is the improvement: I draw a line strait past the edge of the contact point to the rail...bisecting or 'pinching' the rail. OR/also the 'shadow edge' of the object ball can be used, as a shadow is cast on the table from dark in color to lighter shades. lining up the shadow with 'outer edge of the cue' ; THEN I use this system drawing a line strait past to the contact point pinching the rail and outer edge, (helps to try this with rail balls then move 1 diamond out like the shane shot). works great to do impossible cuts or side cushion/pocket cuts from the head. I used this system for a long time just by 'ozmosis' or what I thought was my own advanced combination of Ghost ball and 'point to point' shooting. To compensate for the Actual outer edge of the Cue Ball connecting to the perceived contact point given by other systems. MIND YOUR Stick Diameter and TIP size using this system, Conical shafts can be tricky; Likewise LD Shaft users also MIND your squirt at slow/med/hard speeds; then map your squirt on long Med speed shots; you MUST Memorize This so your 'CLS' will now be 'Dialed In'; I also use the lighting system to find approximate contact points, They are Easier to aim at! When I recognize 'Thow balls' or my low percentage shots with this system I PRACTICE my weaknesses, and don't have any shame in using More then one system!... I got the idea when reading Ray martin's book then later confirmed my thoughts while reading capelli book on pool where he had a chart of throw and percentage cuts. But abandoned it because NOBODY knew what I was talking about! Or said I was Cryptonesically connecting systems in the wrong way! It never had a name or showed in any books and I didn't care about pool enough to play tournaments or write books on it.
Do you guarantee it? Ha. I saw the old video, a humble guy with a funky hat. It works for me. Thanks for bringing it back.
So the original Shane Van Boening demonstration is in a TAR video from around 10 years ago (on TH-cam). They then shot a SVB training video which is still available to purchase on both Amazon and the TAR website. Then on a later TAR video (on TH-cam) Shane goes over it once again. However to really understand what Shane is talking about you do have to buy the DVD or the clip on TAR.com. You are saying the exact same thing though
i am also using the same technique on aiming sir :) and yeah its very easy and effective .. i already know all the aimpoints and i can easily judge the cut angle i need while lining up with the shot.. its just a matter of having a good smooth straight stroke to pocket every shots using this system and thats what im still lacking of :( .. but still, i can easily pocket balls 8 out of 10 with this aiming system even if i have a very poor stroke and cue ball control... great job and thank you for making this vid ,now i know im doing it right :) thank you! godbless !
Thank you. I've been using this method for about four years now and the one takeaway I have is that it works - but on many misses my mind would not let me execute the prescribed shot. It's easy to reject the EOF aim because it just "feels" wrong. Then you make that slight adjustment during the shot to "correct" back to a more natural aim. Stay with it and stroke through exactly as prescribed!
This is a great video! I guarantee it!
I really like this aiming system but one thing I didn't notice until I watched it twice. The aim is actually inside the cue ball if the picture is to be believed. And it looks to be about 1/4 of the way inside the cue ball. And it seems to me that if we look at the bottom of the cue ball and shoot straight up that should put us close to the spot.
Wow, important comment! Apparently you are seeing that I am not striking the center of the cue ball as intended? I will scrutinize it!
His system is correct, , better than Cj Wiley Touch of Inside, better than CTE , better than Samba , better than SEE System and the best part of it its for free . A very quick tutorial and easy to understand ,
Juan Ball it only works on a few shots. It takes time to learn CTE, but once you do, you're confidence on shots goes way up.
I'm sure the old guy means well but he's wrong!!!
You are right Robert, The old system is working for me right now, The Ghost Ball . I developed a technique on how to hit the center point of the Ghost ball. .
RP - I find his approach useful but falters increasingly as thinner cuts are approached. I shoot a fair game but CTE remains a mystery, and I have read and watched considerably. Any insight most welcome. Regards
Juan Ball i agree with u, TOI much" helping in stright in shoot, CTE not working in slow rolling shoot ( very hard to add english on it ) dead failure in the almost stright in shot n need english on it, but CTE is correcly potting the ball, but some case of the ball, ita very akward to stroke it on, but i know that was correct line to potting the ball, cause i can stroke it well its very hard to do cte all the time, this sistem is easy, easy to poketing the ball, easy to add englis on it, easy to deliver the cue, but some time easy to miss, after all i staring to use this
1Skeptik1 CTE confused me in the beginning. You can email me at rprzpnting@gmail.com and we can go over different types of shots and how to aim using the ferrule and CTE
Hey Robert, That was some very nice shooting, and it reminds me of Hal Houle's system called CTE center to edge, now being explained and taught by Master Teacher Stan Schuffet, who has made DVD video's called CTE pro 1 & 2. Watch how well his son Landon Schuffet utilizes the perfect pool system of all time? They say that Efren Reyes and group of Filipinos were trained personally by Hal Houle. It's a wonderful training system for me in directing my cue and eyes to the shot line, better then the ghost ball system and I would recommend learning it first by John Barton (JB cases)before ordering the DVD's;) Gino
Good to the point video...man didn't need 30 min to explain a technique...
9:42
The guys name was Jim Mullen I remember seeing it on the Internet 10 years ago on Utube before they took it off.
You've figured out a small part of aiming. It doesn't work for every shot.
For example, a half ball shot will not work. It doesn't work because you need to aim with the center of your cue.
Shane explained his basic aiming system, but theres a little more to it than 3 basic angles.
I do not follow your point. I assume by "half ball shot" you mean aim the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball. I agree that shot is usually under cut and almost never is made. But if you were using edge of the ferrule there is no such thing as the "half ball shot". Instead there is more cut being applied.
@Jeff Sol I apologize but still do not follow this argument. A 30 degree cut is exactly where edge of the ferrule aiming corrects the undercut you get when you try aiming the center of the cue ball at the contact point.
This is very dependent on shaft flex, ferrule diameter and bridge length!!! Also, what if you are playing english (side spin) that calls for tip placement other than what is suggested here? See, it breaks down immediately. What people who "teach" aiming systems do not seem to understand is that their brain and eye have developed a mechanism that works for them and they THINK it is "just this or that". Wrong!! The best aiming system is the one each person develops for him/her-self through understanding the basic principles of ball-ball and ball-pocket lines and a lot of hard work and practice. No ONE person can ever teach another person an aiming system that "just works" simply because each of them has a different set of eyes, spaced differently on their respective heads (hence geometric
perspectives differ) and located differently relative to the cue (head one one side or the other or centered directly above the cue, etc) and relative to their stances (how low or high they are above the cue when down on the shot). The only thing that is a constant for everyone is that the physics of the game is reliable and the same for everyone. Everything else is unique to each individual. I applaud folks for trying to provide mechanisms they feel will help others but the reality of it is that we each have the only mechanism we ever need...our own brain. My two cents worth.
Bridge distance must be consistent for this to work. You have to calibrate it yourself, but I think about a hands distance to start with.
Once I went to a lesson with a good pool pro, after asking him if he has an aiming system I can use, he says that he really had shot every possible shot in pool about a million times, so there is no shortcut
2:24, "Shane's a "good" player. Yeah, he's "good". Wow, thanks for clarifying that.
can you explain many situation more accurate with schema, drawing please. i dont understand at first where you aim the center of the cue ball.thx in advance
Sorry I'm not good with graphics in videos but the center of the cue ball is not being aimed. The sight line down the side of your shaft is being aimed through the cue ball at the contact point on the object ball no matter what english you are applying (except for adjusting for deflection - see below). If you are using no english then the tip of your cue is aiming at the center of the cue ball but that is irrelevant because you are really aiming the sight line (not the center of the cue ball) at the contact point.
I haven't tried this technique yet and am very new to "learning" how to shoot instead of playing solely on instinct. I'd love to see and updated, more in depth remake of this video.
It's now about five years later and I'm planning to do an update. This method of aiming is somewhat unnatural and I imagine very difficult to embrace for a beginner. I've discussed it with many seasoned players and pros and about 104% of them don't like it. The thing is it is so awkward at first it takes about two weeks of using it before you can even tolerate it - but then you begin to see it's advantage over your old way.
@@edscott3044 I look forward to an update on this method.
I guarantee it! If I miss this shot it wont be my fault! I guarantee it! I like this guy! He's got confidence.
that was mr mulland's ultimate aim system
This helped improve my game tremendously
Great service to pool players everywhere. If you can see that spot inside the cue ball where the lines meet up and then using the edge of the ferrule stroke the cue ball exactly to that spot you are golden. This system has merit, a lot of merit. But there's something fishy (in my mind at least) about using the left edge of the ferrule to guide the shot. Instinctively I know that the shot will hit fat if I use the center of the ferrule to guide the shot but for the life of me I don't understand why. Also what we've got here are a lot of different width ferrules out there. What is the most accurate shaft width to have for this system to work ?
Not sure why you only cite using the left edge. When cutting to the right you use the right edge of the ferrule. You are correct that center ball aiming causes fat shots (i.e. they are undercut). The reason is that the wrong point on the back of the cue ball strikes the object ball. As it turns out (you will need to draw a diagram to see what I am saying) if you draw the shot line through the object ball from the contact point to the pocket, this shot line emerges at a specific point on the back of the object ball. It is that corresponding point on the back of the cue ball that must make contact with the contact point on the object ball. This is not the point on the back of the cue ball when using center ball aiming. The nice thing about edge of the ferrule aiming is you don't need to think about all these parallel lines; it causes a automatic correction that brings the correct point on the cue ball closer to the contact point on the object ball.
Does anybody know how he put side spin on the cue ball when aiming with the edge of the ferrule? Let’s say he cutting to the right. The reason I’m asking is the cues tip is not center of the cue ball, that’s the part that’s throwing me for a loop!
Wow what a great comment! First, if the tip is not aligned with the center of the cue ball then it was an error in the shot setup. (Something for me to review.) But to answer your question the edge of the ferrule aiming is assuming a center ball hit. If you want to add english to your shot you must account for any deflection it will cause. But this is no different than any other aiming system - you always have to account for deflection. There are several ways to account for deflection, including back hand english, elevating the butt slightly, pivot, and of course adjusting the contact point you are aiming at. But all of these apply equally to any aiming method and are independent from edge of the ferrule aiming.
Do you put the edge of the ferrule in the center of the CB or the tip of the cue?
rono8275 ...ferrule goes Center to Center of the Cue Ball. when 'in the air' drop the cue directly down, aiming the edge of the shaft NOT the Tip, through the contact point. when you drop down you should be in the center of the cue. Then you can 'pivot' or back hand' for any further throw or english. You'll see efrin doing this stroking almost into the bottom of the ball before he executes his shot. And you'll see Corey Duelle doing this constantly with almost all his shots. I only say 'not the tip' B/C of Conical shafts and small diameter tips will throw you off on long shots. Please see my other post on this.
I am not a fan of any method that pivots your body or moves the back hand off the stroke line. The whole goal of good pool is getting your stroke as straight and consistent as possible. This method needs neither a pivot nor a back hand move. To answer your question you aim the edge of your shaft/ferrule at the contact point on the object ball. That's it. Even when you are using english and not striking the cue call in the center. The only caveat - which has nothing to do with how edge of the ferrule aiming corrects the the error in center to center aiming - is that using english causes deflection, and you must compensate using some other means; either changing your aim or back hand english. Also lifting the butt of the cue slightly reduces deflection.
Thanks a whole bunch.
Every time he says that that he guarantees it every time, take a drink... Also, great technique!
Good work👍
I have developed an aiming system to a level where I can judge the small differences between angles, like 30deg and 37degree...and guess what, I did not see any video on the internet explain this...I have a "good" level where I can run 60-70 balls in straight pool, 3-4 consec racks of 9ball... There is a common thing that works for all aiming systems but very very few are doing
Any hints?
Do you align the left or right edge of the shaft to the middle of the cue ball?
If the edge of the shaft is aligned to center of the cue ball then this is tantamount to applying 1/2 tip of english: either left or right. The original presenter claimed english does not affect the aiming system, however I would amend that to say watch out for deflection (squirt) when using english. This and every other aiming system must compensate (i.e. change the aim point or something in your stroke) for deflection.
Also, what kind of cue are you using? It's beautiful!
Phillippi
OK i am looking at 8:13, you did not hit the object ball with the part of the cue ball on the left side of your stick, you cut it thinner, you had to compensate at that angle and you did, watch the vid at .25 speed. you adjusted and i Guarantee that. it looks like it is working for you at lesser angles.
Yes. Very thin shots need extra help.
Ed give us an update! What about putting side spin on the cue?
Yes you can apply english while still using the edge of your ferrule to aim at the contact point. However, you must account for the impending deflection. See my response to your other comment.
I'm a golf instructor/coach of 26 years so I don't get to play much pool anymore. However, I still enjoy practicing when I can and play a little one pocket and straight pool. One problem shot I have is with a cut shot the length of the table with the CB and OB are VERY close together. I have trouble aiming this shot, even with edge of ferrule aiming. Any suggestions?
Me too. I think you have to go to a "point to point" visualization of what exact point on the cue ball must contact the exact point on the object ball required to make the shot. Here edge of the ferrule no longer applies because there is no aim line sighting to be done; you are simply trying to move the cue ball into this alignment of contact points. Good luck! And let us know if you find a silver bullet.
Please do some follow up vids. I'm finding some shots are perfect others no so the bigger angles giving a problem.
Yes the bigger the angle the harder it is to rely on this simple method because a) you may not be able to actually see the contact point and b) the correction that edge of the ferrule makes to a center ball aim may not be enough.
This mans a genius shooting the simplest form of pool. He’s not crazy! He sounds crazy because what he saying sounds good to be true, but... it’s not. You have to see perceptions and play from a offset and understand what that means to see the shot line and the contact point. You have to do some research!!! But what he is saying is 100% correct! No one gets it. Read Hal Houles’ 3 angle document!!! Once you completely understand that, then you’ll understand what this man here is seeing perceptually and is doing physically. Pool is a visual and a physical game. The eyes lead and the body follows. It’s just that simple. People try to complicate the fuck out of this game. I’m no pro I will not say that! But I’ve only been shooting 1 year and can beat most that have shot for 3-4 maybe even 5 or 6. Idk, but the point is that pool isn’t about being Albert Einstein, Hal Houles system takes you to the shot line that connects with the geometry of the entire table AUTOMATICALLY!!!!!!! who wouldn’t want to shoot like that?!?! That’s what the pros are doing!!! Visualizing a half tip pivot into center cue ball from 3 objective aimpoints on a object ball!!! Just do the research like the pros have done and you’ll start seeing things the way they see it. I’ve gotten all this advice from a man with a TH-cam Chanel. His channel is “stan shuffett” and he’ll teach you everything you need to know. He WILL NOT FAIL YOU!!! Listen to the seriousness in his voice and just open your mind and ears and take it all in. You’ll become great if you follow this mans footsteps. Wouldn’t be close to where I am now if it wasn’t for @stanshuffett
I too after 30 yrs starting using shuffet cte and I am getting quite accomplished at it.
I bought stans video , the only thing I disliked was there was no section on cte banking. I usually use the diamond system cut in half and half , this works ok for me but i see stan making banks like their straight in. Wish nunley or stan or lil chris would give us that bank knowledge.
Yeah, give Hal credit on this man's video which has zero to do with Hal's system. More people have quit CTE than stayed with it. A LOT MORE. How are you Stan ?
Is that a Schuller cue? I just tried this system with my Schuller and it worked every time, assuming I can keep the contact point in my mind's eye. If I can't do that then, well, nothing will work.
Not a Schuyler - I think its a Joss with a Predator shaft - but I'm glad to hear the system is fungible. And yes keeping the contact point in your "mind's eye" is the trick, especially when the actual contact point may not be visible from your shooting stance.
Absolutely does not work for tougher cut shots , but , maybe I'm just doing it wrong.
I use a version of cte/shish kabob and works great but tough cuts are just all feel for me.
Truth is I find edge of ferrule the hardest sys to use consistently, I'm not knocking it , just harder for me is all.
You are correct. As I said in the video it works for about 80% of the shots on the table. Like all aiming systems it fades out as the cuts get more extreme because there is actually no visible contact point to aim at. The value in my opinion is improving your success rate on making the 80%. If it increases your game 25% on the 80%, your overall game improves 15%-20% depending on your baseline success rate.
Can I buy this video anywhere
It's free. I assume you are asking if you can download it for use outside youtube. Simply log into your TH-cam account at studio.youtube.com, find the video you want to download, and click the three-dot menu button alongside it. From there, you'll see a button marked “Download.” Simply pressing that will download an MP4 copy of your video, although it is limited to 720p resolution.
did he just say that shane shoots only alright! he's amazing!
I think he was being a little ironic and understated when saying Shane shoots "alright" as if saying that despite Shane having a slightly different method to him, he doesn't do too badly with it.
Will you do a video using English, including low left and low right please?
It probably will works the same way just using English while aiming with the edge of the ferrule
@@travispogue8937 Not for me it doesn't.
@@travispogue8937 Cue's in a different place.
Would you do another video using your system on bank shots and shots using English? Thanks
Actually I may do a bank video but I believe there are way more important factors to consider than edge of the ferrule aiming. Freddy Bentivegna's book Banking with the Beard is a great read and much faster way to raise your banking game.
looks like a good system,, but,,, do you guarantee it?
I guarantee it even at the discount price.
I know the video your talking about, I can't find it either.
Have you determined a way to see the correct spot on a long shot or hard cuts. I like this way alot but I cant use it always because of not seeing the exact point. I know he placed his cue at the base of the cb. Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
I have no secret tips for finding the contact pinpoint on long shots. I do however run a "center to edge" check on all long shots just to be sure I'm aligned right. But I agree the contact point may require some quess work. But my pocket percentage on these long shots has improved dramatically using edge of the ferrule aiming at the perceived contact point.
Good job!
Do you line up your feet center center ? if not how are you looking at the two balls so your in the correct position every time to see the point on the OB you want to hit ?
Horsedaddy2 right foot on the aimline
line up center to center to see the cut angle needed
I do not think changing the sight line affected my stance. I could be wrong and my stance just naturally adjusted to the new sight line, but I would not suggest trying to make a calculated adjustment, rather just make sure everything is in line to sight down the edge of the ferrule.
OneballEddie pure gold,lol.
Nice video
I have the video. His name is Dave Mullens.
his video is worthless
I like the system
Yea!
you have a very fluid and immaculate stroke. Nice!
Good explaining
Good explanation
Could you teach me more?
If you use the left or right edge of the ferrule are you hitting center cue ball with the ferrule or hitting center cue ball with tip of the cue. If you’re using the edge of the ferrule and the ferrule is not the center cue ball wont you be imparting English to the cue ball?
Yes of course. But the aiming system is not affected or adjusted when you use english. When using english adjust your aim for the squirt but start with the edgel of ferrule aim line.
I guess you have to allow for English induced throw also. Correct?
Thanks for your replies and info.
So you’re saying. Hit CCB but aim with the edge of the ferrule. Right?
Yes.
It looks like what you do is very similiar to Shane Van Boening, he doesn't do a good job of explaining it. I don't know if the question was rehearsed ahead of time. Since he has a hearing problem his speaking skills are weak.
I like this much better than "Ghost Ball", because you are aiming at a real point on the ball, (with the exception of very thin cuts).
Does it work for shots where the OB is close to the cue ball ? I've tried it, and when it's close I have to adjust it more. Thanks, Bob U.
Apparently Shane changes his method based on how the amount of cut because he does not look at the contact point. Instead he looks at the edge of the object ball. Therefore, his contact point is changing as the angle changes and he has to change his aiming method. I claim always looking down the correct side of your shaft works on ALL shots. Which brings up your next question.
This is a great great question. Yes it does work on very close shots and also very thin cuts but there is a trick. On these extreme cuts you cannot see the contact point but if you visualize it (imagine where the contact point is when you cannot see it) and you also make sure the cue ball will contact the object ball at this imaginary point then it works. But that is easier said that done. So I have another trick to apply: if there is laser beam 1 coming off the edge of your shaft, then make sure it intersects laser beam 2 (the path from the object ball to the hole extended in both directions) at a RIGHT angle. Uh, I better do another video but "I guarantee it works!"
70 years of billiards, yes your wright on the money. ..
@Focus Crocus boo
Lol.his is system I use....works with any. English also as long as you pace the cue ball (hit firmly)
...I miss when my stroke has a hitch in it (unsound fundamentals) ...I over cut extream cuts (pro miss) more then anything
Its rear if I drive ball into a rail ...when I see ghost ball users....I chuckle....that system will always let you down.....
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One word of advice....when 1st using
...more then likely you will miss....that's your brain fighting you with new knowelage applied..and may have to unlearn.what you know currently......just my personal observation,may be different for you......set up easy shots so you can have early success which reinforces the system
I haven't had a chance to try your system/theory out yet but I do have a question. Do you aim the same way when applying English or for bank shots?
Thank you for your time.
if your using BHE = no adjustment needed i think
if not, u need to adjust to compensate for the deflection..
Thanks. I'll give it a try this week.
Yes. The gentleman from the original video claimed english did not matter. But I would caution that english creates squirt (deflection) which creates a huge error in the shot. So the gentleman is correct; if you know how to compensate for deflection then no extra adjustments are needed when using edge of the ferrule aiming.
One reason this system is not universally adopted is that it is unnatural. No one learns or feels right when not aiming down the exact center on the exact shot line. Many people give it up after a few tries because things just don't look and feel right. In my case it took at least a week to connect before I could appreciate its value. Don't give up!
oneballeddie sir, would you mind making another video about the system? i want to learn more .. thank you!
Are you hitting center cue ball but aiming with the edge of the ferrule?
Yes. But the system works just as well when you use english if you account for the squirt.
When using English Do you have to a account for spin (cue ball spinning - gear affect) induced throw?
Thanks for your response.
Is this usable with english?
Greetings - Does ferrule diameter make a difference? (11.5 vs. 13 mm) I will give this a try today - Thanks!
1Skeptik1 yes, its a big yes ..
Thought as much - thanks! (geometry) I didn't notice ferrule dia. mentioned in presentation? Regards Note: Tried it - see some merit but falls off as thinner cuts approached.
1Skeptik1 use aimpoints instead of contact point :)
I believe a 1 mm or so error down the sight line does not matter. Edge of the ferrule system is correcting for a much larger error that occurs when you sight down the center of the cue to the contact point.
My guess, and I have absolutely no data to back this up, is that the skinnier shaft creates more squirt but also lessens the edge of the ferrule aiming effect such that they cancel out and you can use this method with confidence with any shaft diameter.
What happens if you line up the left side of the Ferrell to cut right?
If doesn't work, why?
You miss. Of course it depends on what you are lining up onto but if it is the normal "ghost" contact point you will badly undercut the shot. I guarantee it.
"I guarantee it" - lost count after he said it for the 28th time.
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He is the coolest guy.... Lol
The gentlemans name was Jim Mullen that's who I copied my aiming system from.
Are you saying you line the edge of the ferrule with the tip center of the cue ball to the point of contact of the object ball?
paul goodier yes but it is claimed the aiming system works even when using English unless the squirt deflects your aim too much. The important thing is to aim the vector off the edge of your shaft at the contact point on the object ball.
Interesting idea. I will try it out. Audio could be way better.
the video you refer to is by.. mike mullins
yes I know the video your talking about I think its been deleted but I know exactly the one
who is this guy?
I don’t need a laser on my shaft to get it in the hole!!
Does not work I have did this before the problem with it is the cuts and especially the ones past 90 also the long shots with lots of bottom CTE is much better it works absolutely work I know because I have been doing this for only a few weeks now and my game has went from a solid B player to to a solid a player only thing I have to work on that now is a little defense
what about banking with this ?
I believe other factors in banking outweigh the benefits of edge of the ferrule aiming. The are: collision induced english, speed, throw and the salubrious effects of "cut and draw." See Freddy the Beard's book. Not saying forget edge of the ferrule aiming altogether as it could supplement these other factors.
how if i need a side english to control the white ball, put more video to describe it,
Well that's a different aiming problem and frankly I have no system to recommend to correct for it. I have experienced some success with back hand english.
You were great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes Shawn he said Shane plays OK ....Lol ....Wow!!!!!! I'm still ready to play some I'm 46 and have my own Flooring business for 22 years ...I install flooring Five days a week and play on some weekends . I would love to play this guy some 9ball or One Pocket and see if he never misses ! I love a challenge for sure . If he wins , I'll pay off shake hands and put it on here for all to see . That's how I was raised .....
You don't really get irony, do you?
Hey Tony B I would not hire you to do my floors, your brain gets too upset over an old man, go back to work and play with yourself
I use more of the ghost Ball method.
Backyard Billiards hi there ! I think using the ghost ball gives you the spot on the object ball to aim too , then follow up the ferrule aiming to the spot on the ball , and bingo it’s all the way to the back of the pocket ! Anyway I just wanted to reply about the ghost ball , and hope I make sense .
Yes, exactly right. The contact point on the object ball is exactly where the ghost ball would contact it. The under appreciated point is that it is that same spot on the cue ball that must contact that contact point, and edge of the ferrule helps cause that.
Is that 5 inch pockets? Lol
I am told by Greg Sullivan that my Diamond is the most difficult production Diamond ever made. The reason is that Diamond experimented with a 1 or 2 degree wider facing angle the year my table was made (1999). The result is it spits out anything unclean.
just a question....this technique needs to perceive that right edge of ferrule aimed at contact point,right? because other than that cut shot goes pretty thick....I am a right dominant eye player and sometimes it works and sometimes not i guess it depends on my focus on contact point and edge of ferrule sometimes i perceive that right sometimes it is way off...I appreciate if you explain about that more because I guess sighting right is a key for this technique.
i suggest you to aim on the AimPoints/Fractional Aimpoints instead of the contact points on the ObjectBall..
Fractional aimpoints is effective also
Juan Ball ur right!.. *very effective .. we, Filipinos use it ..
Someone asked if this uses right edge of ferrule. Yes but only when cutting to right. Cut to left, look down left edge of shaft; cut to right, look down right edge of shaft.
Some one asked if I use it on banks. No. Yes aiming is important but reading the bank for speed, length, English, collision induced English, and deflection are all much more important. Read Freddy the Beard's book.
This doesnt work for about 60% of shots !!
so you never miss?
I haven't tried the system but if it works the theory would stand that if you aim properly at the contact point you shouldn't miss. I think if you miss you did not contact the cue ball in the correct spot.
Must be Donnie Baker's dad..lol
This isnt effective when using english?
Edge of the ferrule aiming (and by the way "touch of inside" and "center to edge with a pivot" and other aiming techniques) mitigates the undercutting error in center ball aiming. English introduces deflection which also affects aiming. However you compensate for deflection is complementary to basic edge of the ferrule aiming.
Don't take me wrong I saved your video and have watched many times, but are u really arrogant about never missing or just confident or joking about never missing? Please don't take this wrong. Thank yoy
sorry but this is wrong. this edge of ferrule system does work on a certain angle and I use it for that but any more of a cut and and youll hit the ball thick and vice versa. I mean think about it you only need to draw it out on paper. I'm not saying your lying just compensating. And you should be able to see the contact point on any makeable shot its not on the other side of the ball.
Didn't the gentleman here show a variety of "certain angle" and "more of a cut" type shots in his video?
I think the suggestion too was that on certain shots such as tight or extreme cuts, the contact point is not as visible once you move from lining up the contact point of the object ball with your cue, to where the sweet spot of the contact point is once you go back to the cue ball and set up to it.
Imagine that you had a heavily chalked up cue and when lining up the contact point on the object ball on an extreme angle cut, you inadvertently touched the cue ball to the extent that you left a cue tip sized chalk mark on the object ball from your cue tip.
If you then moved to set up your aim and stance behind the cue ball, then that chalk mark on the object ball might not show up and be completely visible to you from where you are now standing.
Yes the the gentleman in this video did pocket a variety of different cuts. Im saying hes compensating.
Also SVB never said he aims the edge of shaft to contact point. He said that on some shots he lines up the edge of his shaft with the edge of the object ball, and other shots he will line up the middle of his shaft to to the obect ball and it goes on from there.
If you cant see the contact point of the object ball you should probably think about kicking it. The outmost edge of the ball is all you can hit.
Look if this is working for you great but I promise you if you had a lazer beam you wont be using edge of ferrule to contact point on every cut and make it.
Heres why, if you project the edge of shaft through the cue ball to the other side of it you have the point that the cue ball will strike the object ball, right? Its always going to be the same spot and as you hopefully know that spot will change depending on the cut. Think about both extremes, straight and all the way to the biggest cut.
Line up a straight in shot and shoot edge of shaft to contact point, the angle that you will miss that shot is the angle the shot is good for. If your a beginner and you aim this way and miss it is because this is crap.
I'm just responding to each of your particular points here, hopefully in what comes over as a polite enough manner, as it's sometimes hard to tell with the written word.
Sorry, I'm not really sure exactly how you mean he is compensating.
I didn't actually watch Shane's video so have no particular view on it but will take a look later.
I've not tried this myself so don't know yet if it works for me or not.
Isn't a straight shot basically centre striking on the cue ball to centre contact point on the object ball anyway, so there's no cut involved? The man in this video is only talking about cut shots as far as I can tell and he uses the left side of his cue aimed at the contact point on the object ball when cutting to the left, where that contact point will be on the right side of the object ball and vice versa.
The graphic at 1:29 probably shows this system best and so when cutting to the left, the contact point on the object ball is obviously to the right as mentioned earlier, so even aiming the left side of the cue shaft at that contact point, it's still cue ball centre striking anyway when not applying any spin.
On that graphic, if you imagine the cue is the hour hand on a clock then the butt end is point at 7 o'clock for that particular displayed shot and with centre striking on the cue ball, yet you can swivel the butt end around to 6 o'clock whilst still staying with centre striking on the cue ball but then the left side of the shaft is no longer aiming at the contact point of the object ball on the graphic.
This is a totally flawed system and I would hate to see someone just starting to play get discouraged and think it was something in their mechanics. Cue ball contact point to object ball contact point is the objective and it wont happen this way. Try it for yourself and then get back to me.
He didn't seem to miss too many shots and none of them were easy.
The correct cue ball contact point to the correct object ball contact point is exactly what he is displaying here in this video. He's just showing which method he uses as a guide to ensure both of those correct contact points are hit.
let me guess your not playing on the tour because your so deadly your banned in 50 states , just kidding I couldn't resist that , but I did wanna ask it looks like those are all center ball hits ........ has your position suffered when making balls and getting position , so lets say yer a half tip left your looking at 1 single plane that includes 3 things the cueball the object ball and the pocket , all at once well if you have a low stance . so you are saying to maintain your standard stroke with left English but point the left part of ferrule at the contact point ? so the eyes don't even look at the cueball just the object ball and the ferule alignment ,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the English is maintained through a good pool stroke
I only look at two things: where I am striking the cue ball with the center of my tip, and where the aim line (which comes off either the right or left edge of the ferrule when you are cutting right or left respectively) is meeting the contact point on the cue ball. I do not look at the pocket. As you know your vision alternates between these two focal points during practice shots until you finally release the shot. The last thing you look at just before shooting is the contact point on the object ball.
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Pompous, condescending, patronizing sad man.
he has a great attitude...,i like him...
Little Mike in LV used this system he has videos here on you tube.
@@ronnepini8007 Agree, I've used Mike's system and it's is good but I find Ed's system easier and more reliable. Never thought about it but you are right, basically same system, just get it done a bit different.