Kilted Highland soldiers in the British army didn't wear sporrans in the later Napoleonic wars and again stopped wearing them on active service during the Boer War and thru WWI and early WWII. The sporran is a handy civilian accessory, and traditional in that sphere, but hardly a requirement. I'd rather see a kilt worn sans sporran but with knee socks than a kilt and sporran with a pair of short "trouser" socks and sneakers, that sort of informality.
When I got my Fitzpatrick tartan weaved back in the mid 90s, I got my information from the " clan Origineaux" online, which was written in 1813. I then got in touch with a Scottish tartan society, that told me it to their knowledge it hadn't been woven since the 1970's. They gave me the details of a Scottish weaver & asked if they could have a piece for their records, so not sure where this 1980's time frame is coming from.
Something to consider as the Irish kilt develops even further is reaching back into history and legends. According to Lebor Gabála Érenn, Eochu Étgudach instituted a system where one’s rank is determined by what colors one could wear going from seven colors for royalty to a single color for peasants. I’d be intrigued to see if someone attempted to use this system to create uniquely Irish tartans. 🧐
Nice video, gents. There's been an awful lot of mythological rot perpetuated about the "Irish kilt" (among many other things) over the years, often relatively recent, diaspora traditions passed off as "authentic Irish" (green beer, corned beef and cabbage - ffs!). It's nice to see the facts being put out there! :)
I am blessed to be a mix of Irish (Father's side of the family is from County Kildare and I still have relatives living there), Scottish (Mother was Clan Lamont) and American. I have an Irish national kilt and a County Kildare kilt in addition to my Clan Lamont kilt. Being a direct descendant of Patrick and William Pearse, I guess my next kilt should be a solid Green kilt :-D.
@@YakimaGulag According to one of my Irish relatives, our genealogical connection is through a cousin on their mother's side of the family. One of my own cousins who lived in Abbeyview, County Kildare, Ireland until her passing last year at the age of 90, was heavy into researching our family history and I am relying on her research.
3:21 and 4:51.... what is the name he's saying? He keeps mumbling the name and I cant hear it. I want to look the guy up and read about him. Lynn Dibson? Wayne Gibson?
The British did ban the wearing of "the Green" in Ireland, at one time. They were also forbidden to use war pipes and to speak Gaelic. The Gauls in France had a tartan-like fabric when the Romans first crossed paths with them. I would not doubt that at one time, most of the native people of western Europe had clothing with a tartan-like pattern. (After all sheep can have white, ivory, black or mixed black/white wool.)
Kein Name A great deal of irish culture has been lost and so ireland doesn't have a national costume .They tried to make the kilt as eric said the national costume but it never took off .As regards being non irish well its not offensive ,its just something we don't do ourselves ,we have county GAA (sports org) and county flags to represent the counties ,but the vast majority would not be aware of the county tartans they were invented by a scottish company mostly and most of the customers are from N America.Clan Mcgrath did a video on old medieval irish clothing which explains the irisjh medieval garb very well.
On youtube look up "Traditional Irish Clothing in the Gaelic Period" to see modern recreations and "Lecture 90: Depicting and Describing Dress in Early Modern Ireland by Dr. Katherine Bond" for historical images and written examples of traditional Irish dress. Irish wore saffron tunics called leine that were long wristed with multiple layers of fabric. Instead of kilts they wore mantles called brats. The Anglos were actively trying to eradicate Irish garb due to their stubbornness to assimilate to Anglo garb and economic reasons of wishing to export their products. Irish linen, saffron and wool products were quite valuable trade commodities even back then but the local populace was consuming much of the products. As is their right really. They were also restricting the amount of fabric and dyes. Irish were known to use excessive amounts of yardage to make their clothing. 30 yards of fabric just for a single leine was common. Of course Irish were rebellious and defied these laws anyways for quite a long time but eventually started to dress like Anglos. During this forced cultural conversion the Scottish started to wear kilts. Before this time they dressed the same as Irish due to the crossover between the two regions. Just look at images of Gallowglass which were panGaelic mercenary of the region. Those two videos discuss most of this except for the gallowglass. watch "Lecture 103: The Legendary Irish Gallowglass by Ron Soodalter" if your interested in hearing a lecture about that subject.
It's interesting to have debate about clothing traditions that go back to the 19th century, when our normal mainstream American clothes are even more recent in origin. Most neckties men wear these days are late 20th-century patterns. And who obsesses about wearing authentic 1847-style Levis?
Kilted Highland soldiers in the British army didn't wear sporrans in the later Napoleonic wars and again stopped wearing them on active service during the Boer War and thru WWI and early WWII. The sporran is a handy civilian accessory, and traditional in that sphere, but hardly a requirement. I'd rather see a kilt worn sans sporran but with knee socks than a kilt and sporran with a pair of short "trouser" socks and sneakers, that sort of informality.
When I got my Fitzpatrick tartan weaved back in the mid 90s, I got my information from the " clan Origineaux" online, which was written in 1813. I then got in touch with a Scottish tartan society, that told me it to their knowledge it hadn't been woven since the 1970's. They gave me the details of a Scottish weaver & asked if they could have a piece for their records, so not sure where this 1980's time frame is coming from.
It is a made up tartan...same with Irish kilts. A joke.
Thank you for another awesome video
Something to consider as the Irish kilt develops even further is reaching back into history and legends. According to Lebor Gabála Érenn, Eochu Étgudach instituted a system where one’s rank is determined by what colors one could wear going from seven colors for royalty to a single color for peasants.
I’d be intrigued to see if someone attempted to use this system to create uniquely Irish tartans. 🧐
Or they could just wear léine and brat, actual Irish clothing.
Unless they find some old Irish tartans in a bog .... I think it will be a creative process.
They have....but no kilts@@here_we_go_again2571
0:58 I want those kilt hose so badly, but I can't find them anywhere.
Does anyone know what tartan that is under the brooch at 3:33? It looks really intriguing.
The picture of the guy with pipes at 1:47 in this video, his pleats are in the front of his kilt???
Nice video, gents. There's been an awful lot of mythological rot perpetuated about the "Irish kilt" (among many other things) over the years, often relatively recent, diaspora traditions passed off as "authentic Irish" (green beer, corned beef and cabbage - ffs!). It's nice to see the facts being put out there! :)
Corned beef and cabbage is Irish, but you are right with the other points. It is the USA which is fuelling all this rubbish.
I am blessed to be a mix of Irish (Father's side of the family is from County Kildare and I still have relatives living there), Scottish (Mother was Clan Lamont) and American. I have an Irish national kilt and a County Kildare kilt in addition to my Clan Lamont kilt. Being a direct descendant of Patrick and William Pearse, I guess my next kilt should be a solid Green kilt :-D.
That’s interesting! William and Patrick Pearse did not have any children and neither did his sisters. Does not rule out being related though.
@@YakimaGulag According to one of my Irish relatives, our genealogical connection is through a cousin on their mother's side of the family. One of my own cousins who lived in Abbeyview, County Kildare, Ireland until her passing last year at the age of 90, was heavy into researching our family history and I am relying on her research.
@@richardwhite3924 That’s as related as anyone is going to get, but that’s not direct. More’s the pity!
You cannot be a direct descendant. If you wear your kilt in Ireland we will know you are American!!!!!! Stop it.
3:21 and 4:51.... what is the name he's saying? He keeps mumbling the name and I cant hear it. I want to look the guy up and read about him. Lynn Dibson? Wayne Gibson?
William Gibson: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gibson,_2nd_Baron_Ashbourne
@@USAKiltsOfficial Thanks Chief!
The British did ban the wearing of "the Green" in Ireland, at one time. They were also forbidden to use war pipes and to speak Gaelic.
The Gauls in France had a tartan-like fabric when the Romans first crossed paths with them. I would not doubt that at one time,
most of the native people of western Europe had clothing with a tartan-like pattern. (After all sheep can have white, ivory, black
or mixed black/white wool.)
Overall an interesting video.
What about a solid black kilt? How does that fit in with Irish kilts.
Solid black was the choice of Cornish nationalists
Irish do not wear kilts. They are not Irish. The Irish never wore kilts. Please stop this.
What are the "traditional" irish dresses? Would it be "non irish" to wear a regional tartan from one's ancestors home region?
Kein Name A great deal of irish culture has been lost and so ireland doesn't have a national costume .They tried to make the kilt as eric said the national costume but it never took off .As regards being non irish well its not offensive ,its just something we don't do ourselves ,we have county GAA (sports org) and county flags to represent the counties ,but the vast majority would not be aware of the county tartans they were invented by a scottish company mostly and most of the customers are from N America.Clan Mcgrath did a video on old medieval irish clothing which explains the irisjh medieval garb very well.
@@galoglaich3281 Thanks a lot
On youtube look up "Traditional Irish Clothing in the Gaelic Period" to see modern recreations and "Lecture 90: Depicting and Describing Dress in Early Modern Ireland by Dr. Katherine Bond" for historical images and written examples of traditional Irish dress. Irish wore saffron tunics called leine that were long wristed with multiple layers of fabric. Instead of kilts they wore mantles called brats. The Anglos were actively trying to eradicate Irish garb due to their stubbornness to assimilate to Anglo garb and economic reasons of wishing to export their products. Irish linen, saffron and wool products were quite valuable trade commodities even back then but the local populace was consuming much of the products. As is their right really. They were also restricting the amount of fabric and dyes. Irish were known to use excessive amounts of yardage to make their clothing. 30 yards of fabric just for a single leine was common. Of course Irish were rebellious and defied these laws anyways for quite a long time but eventually started to dress like Anglos. During this forced cultural conversion the Scottish started to wear kilts. Before this time they dressed the same as Irish due to the crossover between the two regions. Just look at images of Gallowglass which were panGaelic mercenary of the region. Those two videos discuss most of this except for the gallowglass. watch "Lecture 103: The Legendary Irish Gallowglass by Ron Soodalter" if your interested in hearing a lecture about that subject.
Ireland does have a national costume. It is the léine, brat, ionar and trews etc etc.@@galoglaich3281
The Irish wore the Léine, Brat and Ionar. NEVER EVER the kilt.
It's interesting to have debate about clothing traditions that go back to the 19th century, when our normal mainstream American clothes are even more recent in origin. Most neckties men wear these days are late 20th-century patterns. And who obsesses about wearing authentic 1847-style Levis?
Were Irish saffron kilts both originally 5 and 8 yard kilts, or did the Irish nationalists and such have a preferred style?
Did you see that bassackward kilted piper? LOL!
Studio portrait; looks like someone playing dress-up.
Saffron was banned by Henry the 8th.
1:47 what the heck
Seems like Scots tartans can't be beat.
Noice video!!
They call it lein croich
No, it was called the léine.
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Kilt are not Irish full stop.