0:55 No wonder players yell "it was shoulder to shoulder" because of commentary like yours. This is a foul. Not a play for the ball. He's hunting the player down, fouls, then needs to change direction towards the ball.
@pollopicante are you talking about Klauss?? that was insane! Taylor Twellman during the game goes "100% foul, they should have called it" then in his weekly recap, he pulls this same garbage "Should to shoulder"
'Shoulder on shoulder' and claiming that it's part of the challenge for the ball, my dude Klaus is moving AWAY from the ball when he does that. And you said 'pause it right here' and completely glossed over the next frames where it shows Klaus extending his arm. Bonkers that wasn't a foul, that's 100% a foul every day.
My argument has been if the roles were reversed, and a defender did that, it's a call 100% of the time. But nah, STL, and Klaus, of course it went his way lol
Nah, that dude didn't want no part of Klauss. You could see him tense up, he saw him coming and instead of fighting for the ball he braced for impact. That was probably the best thing I've ever seen on a soccer field...but I'm a football fan so that might explain it.
“Getting bodied off the ball” or “getting knocked off the ball” is a common phrase in football and a fair play so long as it’s shoulder-to-shoulder, not dangerous, and the ball is nearby.
@@JayseabeeSTL there’s a difference between playing the player and playing the ball though. You can’t just clean out the player (with an arm extension by the way) and then turn 90 degrees to go get the ball. Everywhere else in the world that’s a foul and possibly a yellow at least.
Are you freaking kidding me on that second goal? He didn’t play the ball at all. He just went straight threw him. This isn’t freaking hockey. With your logic, you can just blow people over as long as you use your shoulder. Freaking stupid take. He goes away from the ball to plow him over. I’m not a fan of SKC. Actually hate them. But this is ridiculous
Sometimes you're just a lot smaller than the player you're coming together with. Two big boys (or even two little guys) coming together like that wouldn't even have looked like much. The applicable laws here are the laws of physics, not the laws of soccer.
I'm not really a fan of the sport. I'm a NFL fan so it might explain my opinion... If the sport was played more like that I'd have more respect for it. That's way better than players acting like they've been shot by a high powered sniper rifle (flopping) whenever someone breathes on them. Bounga got a penalty last week and he wasn't even touched. I get it, it's a soft sport and that's the way the fans like it. I just wanted to share that the soft/whiney nature of the sport turns some people off...
@@sonpacho So you don't like the NBA or NHL either? Both have heavy use of simulation. The NBA had to add a fistful of new rules because of specific instances of simulation. And you try getting your Achilles stepped on with cleats, or in the case we're talking about, getting shoulder-bumped by a larger man running at full speed. And all with no pads, which IMO make players do dumber things that actually injure themselves or others.
@@rockinmel1 The flopping in soccer is on a whole other level. They do all of that ridiculous silly acting and then get up immediately as if nothing happened. I'm actually surprised the dude who got the ball stolen from him didn't roll around on the ground and act like his arm was broken.
@@sonpacho As I said, the NBA had to create multiple rule changes for their simulation. Who TF cares if a guy falls down? And guess what? It hurts like a SON OF A BISCH when another dude kicks your ankle or stomps on your foot with cleats. It's a faster game than NFL football, so it might be difficult to see.
If those shoulder charges are completely legal in your opinion, despite the fact that the offending player played the man entirely, I don't ever want to hear you approve of a soft foul being called on the pitch as being the correct call. And the RSL game, either the RSL player dove... which is not what you suggested, or the defender with his superior speed should have been capable of getting goal side to defend instead of taking the attacker down.
Let's also add that player skill and speed is now a factor in whether a call should be made, according to this commentary. Luna was too slow so the defender is okay taking him down--he didn't have a chance to start. What a joke!
MLS want LAFC on top that's why most controversial calls are always in favor of them and this guy working for MLS isn't going to mention the guy that plays for the team they're tryina bring up...regardless, it's not okay 🤷♂️
I know Ted Unkel didn't call that a penalty for the Crew, and he had another rough night, but how the hell does VAR not recommend a check for that? Isn't that the point of VAR?
It's Unkel, he does whatever the fk he wants as Seattle learned in the playoffs last year. I won't be surprised if we come up with a chant just for him.
Is it possible to have a version of intstant replay covered by someone who knows the laws of the game and can speak frankly rather than someone who just says whatever MLS tells them to say?
You are right. My first thought was red because of the danger involved with being "Blind sideded." This is how career ending concussions happen. Absolute BS.
You're out of your mind on the Klaus foul. By your reasoning, a player can come running from 30 yards away and just blast anyone off the ball and be fair play. That was a foul 100% of the time. Chapman was garbage all night.
@Leopvm. Look again at how far away the ball had traveled from them at the time the contact was made. What Klaus did was play the man, not the ball and in soccer that is almost always a foul.
Why should it matter how far away the player is when he starts? And yes, players can blast an opponent off a ball, ONLY if it is shoulder to shoulder. Shoulder to shoulder hits are allowed in the rule book. "A shoulder-to-shoulder charge is a fair charge that is permitted if both players are within playing distance of the ball, have at least one foot on the ground, and are attempting to gain control of the ball."
I disagree with your analysis on the Klaus foul. He was not playing the ball. Rule 12 - Fouls and Misconduct. It is a foul if a player charges using excessive force. If a player did that to Messi, it would be yellow.
The 2nd goal by Klauss is 100% a foul. Doesnt play the ball, just steam rolls someone over My god 2 out of 3 flags for foul are ticked as well lol. No play on the ball and an arm extensions
Chara's uncalled armbar reinforces the common belief that MLS actually likes pro wrestling moves. I estimate he was about 4-5 inches from breaking a star player's arm there. Also, wasn't there actual recent IFAB referee guidance that specifically stated that a ball going off the arm of someone bracing themself for going to ground was not to be called?
So i guess as long as its "shoulder to shoulder" it doesn't matter if you are playing the ball.... Klauss is looking to take the player out, not get the ball.
Yeah Weibe and the refs got this wrong. He got the ball. Great save! Unfortunate that they felt the contact to the player came first. Pretty clear that it was just a great save! It's already hard enough for goalies with the way strikers drag their foot and flop.
To actually gain control of the ball or at least stop Muriel having the ball. That tiny touch wouldn't stop Muriel getting the ball if he wasn't taken down. It's a feather of a touch.
MTL goalie Sirois getting that foul was a bit far fetched. He touched the ball, therefore completing his main role as a goalie. too bad if the attacker didn't shot before, the goaler's exit was well calculated.
1:50: "...the contact is shoulder-to-shoulder and naturally your arm is gonna come out..." I agree. Arms often naturally come out during various kinds of athletic high-speed movement, especially cutting, pivoting, or turning. Like defenders must often do. Just saying.
So, we’re not going to talk about Boupendza getting absolutely checked from behind at 92’ in Atlanta? It turned in to the absolute Thunderdome at the Benz in stoppage, Atlanta could do no wrong while playing hackey sack with the shins of Cincinnati players
klaus heads perpindicular to the direction of the ball... shoulders the man the other way. pivots 90* TO go chase the ball he WASNT going for before. FOUL Bad take on that one. liebold wasnt near as bad he was chasing the ball
That's a very good point. He definitely hid it well. If he had been slightly off this would have been called probably still should have considering the angle he came in at otherwise it sets a precedence that when a player runs away from you with the ball you just have to knick them over whenever you want.
the rules are clear that the ball simply needs to be within playing distance. the charge does not need to be an active part of attempting to play the ball. The rules are clear that a shielding defender can be charged by a defender legally after which the defender can play the ball, so long as the charge is shoulder to shoulder. This is why shielding the ball is an integral part of the game and why having strength matters.
@@thecrowing87100%. SKC player didn’t even know Klaus was on the field until he blindsided him. It wasn’t even the right soccer play - it was a bad touch, just go for the ball 3 yards away.
@@footballforlife2643a charge is a legal action under the laws of the game so long as the circumstances present are similar to the ones seen by Durkin and Klauss’ situations.
"If he doesn't extend his arm out then it's a shoulder to shoulder challenge" Hahaha haha that is the dumbest take I've ever heard. The arm did come out so it's the a shoulder to shoulder challenge. Haha you could justify every single foul if you thought that way. I don't think it's a red. But definitely a foul and a yellow. The other half of the "take". He was slow and so he cut across the path of the defender....haha he did that cause that is good soccer. How is that justifying it as not a foul. Weibe..... my man... seriously, you should have thought this one through before opening your mouth. Haha nit I do appreciate the comedy take for the week. Most of the rest of the calls were good. Love watching this video each week. Keep it coming!
Weibe: player skill and speed is now a factor in whether a call should be made. Luna was too slow so the defender is okay taking him down--he didn't have a chance to start. What a joke!
Yeah I rarely disagree with Wiebe but I gotta disagree on the second one in the SKC vs STL game. That first one was absolutely shoulder to shoulder. Liebold got outmuscled. That 2nd one? Naw man. Klauss did not attempt to play the ball. He catches him in the back of the shoulder, not squarely, and absolutely does shove off. I was shocked that one stood. Sporting got outplayed physically but that second goal should never have stood.
The Laws of the Game draw a clear distinction between "attempting to play the ball" and "the ball is within playable distance", and the rules on shoulder-to-shoulder charges use the latter language. See my comment for details.
@@JayseabeeSTL All balls are within 'playable distance' if you take out the opposing players. Klaus is literally moving in the opposite direction of the ball (he's moving AWAY from the ball) to put in this body check. I like STL way better than SKC... but that was a foul.
Klaus was not playing the ball. He lined up the defender, took him down, and then turned to go after the ball. I have to ask, Andrew, do you really believe what you said to be true or are you just coming up with a story and sticking to it like a 9th grade term paper?
At this point, Andrew is just reading off the script MLS provided. I don't know if anything he says is his opinion anymore. This used to be a good weekly video.
Of the Unkels, I wish it was Christina we were stuck with, not Ted. But now she gets to share a studio with Thierry Henry while her husband is doing...this stuff.
This last weekend was the first time, following a new policy from the league meant to be implemented at the start of the season before the PRO strike happened. Also as part of the change, time wasting seems to be more under control
The new rule if a player goes down and takes any time getting up, they have to leave the field for 2 minutes and wait for a stop in play to go back out is the worst rule. Watching it play out in New England's game was terrible. I think its just gonna lead to more players pretending they're fine when they aren't and getting injured. It also awards teams that are physical and try to injure other teams players.
@@SamualHadge I believe if a player is injured to the point of needing to leave the field, they have exceptions and won't be penalized. Unless it's the final rounds of a competition, it's in everyone's best interest to receive medical attention ASAP. Even in the final rounds, an injured player will perform worse than a healthy player, so I doubt any serious injuries will remain on the field. Even staying off of the field for two minutes likely won't impact the game, and you could argue that keeping the momentum of the game going would be more beneficial, since the team with the injured player usually has the ball. Could an injury be misdiagnosed as minor? Sure, but that's always a risk in sports. I don't think we'll have any issues with the new rule, other than bad calls by the ref. Those happen anyway so I wouldn't blame it on the rule
Not a bang bang play, Klauss definitely fouled Agada. Not at all shocked that the official MLS reporters are overlooking horrendous officiating again. The Durkin one was less problematic, but Klauss got away with a dangerous play. He didn’t even play the ball remotely, you can’t just shoulder a guy for fun and call it shoulder to shoulder
On the Klaus freaking shoulder charge, there was no absolutely no attempt on the ball at all....good lord. I am not the expert though, I'll give you the the benefit of the doubt and will attempt this every time I play soccer, everything will go well... I will agree, Sporting should have paid back the physicality when the ref continuously let it go; he would have lost control of the game eventually. Doesn't mean its not a freaking foul.
Us Sounders fans didn't like how Ragen's wasn't on purpose and his leg was already on the ground before his cleat touched him, making it impossible to avoid (which us Sounders get cleated every game and opponents rarely get carded, yet alone a red). We definitely agree Alex Roldan's was fair.
Gauld was 45 degrees over when shoved from behind; that’s reckless and no accident. Then there is the clear contact on the back of the leg; nobody gets out of that by claiming accidental contact, or “his leg was already on the ground”. It might have been called as two yellows in less than a second but the end result would be the same. Both the Sounders and their fans could use more composure: consistently turning up the dirty play is not going to get them back in the playoff race, but using the skill that is there on the roster might.
Players in the SJ-LAG game were jumping up after fouls clearly still in a little bit of pain trying to shake it off instead of rolling around like they were dead. So at least in that game the players got the word and altered their behavior because of the new rules around this.
Well, it's mainly because they signed a deal with AppleTV to essentially hide their games from anyone except those willing to dish out even more money which means no chance of expanding their viewership.
I have to disagree with you yet again Wiebe, because what a surprise you do not understand the laws of the game. Law 12 from IFAB in regards to Handling the Balls states: "It is an offence if a player: -deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball -touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised -scores in the opponents’ goal: directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental" There are three parts to this law that we can look at. The first part is deliberately touches the ball. Well his arm is behind him as he is going down towards the grown and his arm is going towards the ground to brace himself so NO, he is not guilty of deliberately handling the ball. The third part is irrelevant as he is the defending player and no goal was scored as a result which leaves the send part only to look at. Was his arm in an unnatural position with the intent to make himself unnaturally bigger? Again no. His arm was coming down to brace himself for the impact as he was sliding into the challenge to block the attempted cross. Furthermore the ball is clearly deflected off of his left calf before it goes between his legs (which is the only reason it goes between his legs) and strikes his arms. So not only was this a case of BALL TO HAND this was a case of the ball being deflected off of his LEG first which altered the trajectory of the path of the ball leaving him with less than half of a second to react while he was falling towards the ground. This was NOT a handball by the letter of the law. This was a horrible call by the on-field ref (who had a fairly decent game aside from this call) and this absolutely should have been overturned by VAR. And if you had any clue about the laws of the game, and after sever years of hosting this show you have shown week after week that you literally have none, you would have known this as well.
@@happiestmistake1504 The only thing odd about that play is that VAR recommended a review. It's a PK all day. It'll be interesting to hear why they thought it wasn't during Inside Video Review this week.
After review, while I can see Ragens foul being red, how does a LITERAL 5 min review state “clear and obvious”??? Clear and obvious should be a quick “oh I see what you mean” check and be done with it. Not 20 slowmo rewinds until someone convinces the other one to change the call… again, don’t disagree with the red but that is a fail on the refs for it taking that long.
Was it 5 minutes? He makes the review motion at 39.55 and we see the player almost in the tunnel at 42.50. So about 3 minutes total to get to the monitor, look at it, get back on the pitch to eject the player, have the player complain, and then have the player run the length of the pitch to where we saw him leaving the field.
@@RysloFC Did they actually take that long to come to their decision or were they waiting for a stoppage in play for the on field review to take place? There was an attack initially going on so a delay would be normal.
Andrew Wiede, you sold your soul. This is not honest commentary. This is playing the part of a good network partner. You have the opportunity to make the game better. This week you kowtow to the league and PRO and say they got it right. You lost cred.
the second one looked bad. if that is allowed then put it in the rules. that in fact may be an interesting concept and interesting version of footbal. but with the current rules, that should not be allowed
Weibe on drugs? Klaus is 100% a foul. He isn't playing the ball at all. The direction he's taking is to take the skc player out. Shoulder to shoulder doesnt matter if hes straight up body checking someone. honestly think I'm taking crazy pills listening to this Regan is also not a red. Yellow yes but never a red. If this is a red, we'd see reds in nearly every other game Wtf is this analysis?
Mind reading should never be a part of the game. It was serious foul play. These are supposed to be world class athletes, responsible for the results of their actions.
@@DukeTrout Guys leg was in the wrong place at the wrong time, unfortunate, but not a dangerous play. Nobody from Vancouver was was making it an issue.
Bang bang indeed. Bang #1 was shoving from behind a player already halfway to the ground; bang #2 was stepping on him while he was on the ground. Both reckless, intent doesn’t matter. Some of the Sounders fans on the reddit stream were claiming pushing a player is legal: LOTG do not agree and spell it out clearly. Sympathies for Seattle’s poor start, but the road back is to accentuate the skill, not the toughness.
There were four flagrant fouls by Seatle before the 1st red card. They were playing dirty. After the 2nd Red, Vancouver stopped pressing to score. They could have run up the score; they deserve recognition. Seatle should get fined for making assault part of the game plan.
Everybody please remember that Wiebe is only trying to give controversial takes to get extra clicks for MLS. He knows the rules and specifically misinterprets them to generate discussion
@@TheFranchiseCA To be fair, he often does a good job of explaining the printed words. Sometimes he gets the real-life interpretations correct, but when he misses he misses big.
The fact that this is MLS does not matter. They are still a FIFA sanctioned league and as such they are subjected to the same Laws that all other leagues are subjected to. They are not different. And frankly, Wiebe is just a shill who either does not have a clue what the hell is he talking about or willingly talks out of his ass in order to tow the company line. Either rate he deserves all of the negative comments that he gets.
As a (real) football fan, I didn't see anything wrong with the Klauss hit. If the game was played more like that and they got rid of all that bullsh*t flopping...it would be a more respectable -sport- thing to watch.
Regan wasn’t engaging in foul play, he accidentally stepped on the opponent. Yellow? Yeah that makes sense. Red, that’s real harsh. Also, given that the review took forever it clearly wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
Accidentally shoved an already-falling player to the ground from behind before stepping on the back of his leg. That’s two yellows and the same result. We’re not just talking about the foot on leg here.
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No wonder players yell "it was shoulder to shoulder" because of commentary like yours.
This is a foul. Not a play for the ball. He's hunting the player down, fouls, then needs to change direction towards the ball.
@pollopicante are you talking about Klauss?? that was insane! Taylor Twellman during the game goes "100% foul, they should have called it" then in his weekly recap, he pulls this same garbage "Should to shoulder"
skc fans stay bitchin
SOFT
'Shoulder on shoulder' and claiming that it's part of the challenge for the ball, my dude Klaus is moving AWAY from the ball when he does that. And you said 'pause it right here' and completely glossed over the next frames where it shows Klaus extending his arm. Bonkers that wasn't a foul, that's 100% a foul every day.
My argument has been if the roles were reversed, and a defender did that, it's a call 100% of the time. But nah, STL, and Klaus, of course it went his way lol
Refs discretion
Nah, that dude didn't want no part of Klauss. You could see him tense up, he saw him coming and instead of fighting for the ball he braced for impact.
That was probably the best thing I've ever seen on a soccer field...but I'm a football fan so that might explain it.
Bad take on STL, shoulder to shoulder does not allow for a hit like that, against the direction of motion, and while extending the arm out after.
Shoulder-to-shoulder doesn't matter if he's bodychecking someone completely off the ball.
🤣 you don’t know ball
@@elicarlson7682 and you don’t know the rules 😂
Get in the gym
“Getting bodied off the ball” or “getting knocked off the ball” is a common phrase in football and a fair play so long as it’s shoulder-to-shoulder, not dangerous, and the ball is nearby.
@@JayseabeeSTL there’s a difference between playing the player and playing the ball though. You can’t just clean out the player (with an arm extension by the way) and then turn 90 degrees to go get the ball. Everywhere else in the world that’s a foul and possibly a yellow at least.
Are you freaking kidding me on that second goal? He didn’t play the ball at all. He just went straight threw him. This isn’t freaking hockey. With your logic, you can just blow people over as long as you use your shoulder. Freaking stupid take. He goes away from the ball to plow him over. I’m not a fan of SKC. Actually hate them. But this is ridiculous
Sometimes you're just a lot smaller than the player you're coming together with. Two big boys (or even two little guys) coming together like that wouldn't even have looked like much. The applicable laws here are the laws of physics, not the laws of soccer.
I'm not really a fan of the sport. I'm a NFL fan so it might explain my opinion...
If the sport was played more like that I'd have more respect for it. That's way better than players acting like they've been shot by a high powered sniper rifle (flopping) whenever someone breathes on them.
Bounga got a penalty last week and he wasn't even touched.
I get it, it's a soft sport and that's the way the fans like it. I just wanted to share that the soft/whiney nature of the sport turns some people off...
@@sonpacho So you don't like the NBA or NHL either? Both have heavy use of simulation. The NBA had to add a fistful of new rules because of specific instances of simulation. And you try getting your Achilles stepped on with cleats, or in the case we're talking about, getting shoulder-bumped by a larger man running at full speed. And all with no pads, which IMO make players do dumber things that actually injure themselves or others.
@@rockinmel1 The flopping in soccer is on a whole other level.
They do all of that ridiculous silly acting and then get up immediately as if nothing happened.
I'm actually surprised the dude who got the ball stolen from him didn't roll around on the ground and act like his arm was broken.
@@sonpacho As I said, the NBA had to create multiple rule changes for their simulation. Who TF cares if a guy falls down? And guess what? It hurts like a SON OF A BISCH when another dude kicks your ankle or stomps on your foot with cleats. It's a faster game than NFL football, so it might be difficult to see.
If those shoulder charges are completely legal in your opinion, despite the fact that the offending player played the man entirely, I don't ever want to hear you approve of a soft foul being called on the pitch as being the correct call.
And the RSL game, either the RSL player dove... which is not what you suggested, or the defender with his superior speed should have been capable of getting goal side to defend instead of taking the attacker down.
Let's also add that player skill and speed is now a factor in whether a call should be made, according to this commentary. Luna was too slow so the defender is okay taking him down--he didn't have a chance to start. What a joke!
You usually have pretty good takes, not this week, absolute L's on several of these calls.
This idiot has no concept about shoulder challenges. As if it is a free for all just because you use your shoulder.
Agreed. What a disaster of ignoring one's eyes.
I am in shock that the LAFC match wasn’t shown bouanga kicked NEALIS and he got a pen? Something is going on PAFC c🤡
MLS want LAFC on top that's why most controversial calls are always in favor of them and this guy working for MLS isn't going to mention the guy that plays for the team they're tryina bring up...regardless, it's not okay 🤷♂️
@@stansmith5610Cry about it you pexican😂😂😂😂😂
@@stansmith5610 Thats what im thinking and it really isnt PAFC sucks
I know Ted Unkel didn't call that a penalty for the Crew, and he had another rough night, but how the hell does VAR not recommend a check for that? Isn't that the point of VAR?
It feels like VAR's 'clear and obvious' line has been questioned the last few weeks and they may be gun shy.
It's Unkel, he does whatever the fk he wants as Seattle learned in the playoffs last year. I won't be surprised if we come up with a chant just for him.
Is it possible to have a version of intstant replay covered by someone who knows the laws of the game and can speak frankly rather than someone who just says whatever MLS tells them to say?
Dude we really need this 😭
I wouldve thought that Klaus shoulder to shoulder would've been deemed excessive force and thus a foul. Maybe even cardable.
Definitely a foul. He’s playing the man, not the ball. If he was just gaining position and not taking the man out it would be fine.
Its definitely a charge
You are right. My first thought was red because of the danger involved with being "Blind sideded." This is how career ending concussions happen. Absolute BS.
You're out of your mind on the Klaus foul. By your reasoning, a player can come running from 30 yards away and just blast anyone off the ball and be fair play. That was a foul 100% of the time. Chapman was garbage all night.
It’s not a foul u don’t know how soccer works at all. The ball was right next to them and he fairly shoulder to shoulders him. No foul.
@Leopvm. Look again at how far away the ball had traveled from them at the time the contact was made. What Klaus did was play the man, not the ball and in soccer that is almost always a foul.
Why should it matter how far away the player is when he starts? And yes, players can blast an opponent off a ball, ONLY if it is shoulder to shoulder. Shoulder to shoulder hits are allowed in the rule book. "A shoulder-to-shoulder charge is a fair charge that is permitted if both players are within playing distance of the ball, have at least one foot on the ground, and are attempting to gain control of the ball."
That was in no way a foul
That gets called a foul all day when the roles are reversed and a defender does it.
Chara could have broken Cucho's arm. That's red and a PK in my opinion.
Yea that was stupid. No idea how you can watch that and say no PK
Red? Did someone amputate your arm?
I disagree with your analysis on the Klaus foul. He was not playing the ball. Rule 12 - Fouls and Misconduct. It is a foul if a player charges using excessive force. If a player did that to Messi, it would be yellow.
Three things wrong with Klauss's challenge:
1. Arm extension
2. Knee contact
3. Intent and direction of the motion
The 2nd goal by Klauss is 100% a foul. Doesnt play the ball, just steam rolls someone over
My god 2 out of 3 flags for foul are ticked as well lol. No play on the ball and an arm extensions
Chara´s foul was outrageous and Diego Luna was fouled from the back!
Chara's uncalled armbar reinforces the common belief that MLS actually likes pro wrestling moves. I estimate he was about 4-5 inches from breaking a star player's arm there.
Also, wasn't there actual recent IFAB referee guidance that specifically stated that a ball going off the arm of someone bracing themself for going to ground was not to be called?
Diego Luna play is a foul. At least a yellow. Can't shoulder to shoulder coming from behind. 🤦🏻
So i guess as long as its "shoulder to shoulder" it doesn't matter if you are playing the ball.... Klauss is looking to take the player out, not get the ball.
So… where else is the Montreal keeper supposed to dive? Anywhere else in the world that’s not a pk or even a foul
to the ball and not muriel?
Yeah Weibe and the refs got this wrong. He got the ball. Great save! Unfortunate that they felt the contact to the player came first. Pretty clear that it was just a great save! It's already hard enough for goalies with the way strikers drag their foot and flop.
To actually gain control of the ball or at least stop Muriel having the ball. That tiny touch wouldn't stop Muriel getting the ball if he wasn't taken down. It's a feather of a touch.
MTL goalie Sirois getting that foul was a bit far fetched. He touched the ball, therefore completing his main role as a goalie. too bad if the attacker didn't shot before, the goaler's exit was well calculated.
1:50: "...the contact is shoulder-to-shoulder and naturally your arm is gonna come out..." I agree. Arms often naturally come out during various kinds of athletic high-speed movement, especially cutting, pivoting, or turning. Like defenders must often do. Just saying.
So, we’re not going to talk about Boupendza getting absolutely checked from behind at 92’ in Atlanta? It turned in to the absolute Thunderdome at the Benz in stoppage, Atlanta could do no wrong while playing hackey sack with the shins of Cincinnati players
klaus heads perpindicular to the direction of the ball... shoulders the man the other way. pivots 90* TO go chase the ball he WASNT going for before. FOUL Bad take on that one. liebold wasnt near as bad he was chasing the ball
You keep doing geometry. My man Klaus will keep kicking ass.
That's a very good point. He definitely hid it well. If he had been slightly off this would have been called probably still should have considering the angle he came in at otherwise it sets a precedence that when a player runs away from you with the ball you just have to knick them over whenever you want.
the rules are clear that the ball simply needs to be within playing distance. the charge does not need to be an active part of attempting to play the ball. The rules are clear that a shielding defender can be charged by a defender legally after which the defender can play the ball, so long as the charge is shoulder to shoulder. This is why shielding the ball is an integral part of the game and why having strength matters.
@@JayseabeeSTLthat wasn’t shielding. Nor was it a play on the ball.
@@thecrowing87100%. SKC player didn’t even know Klaus was on the field until he blindsided him. It wasn’t even the right soccer play - it was a bad touch, just go for the ball 3 yards away.
Shoulder to shoulder 😂😂 come on this is football not rugby
That's definitely a charge
@@footballforlife2643a charge is a legal action under the laws of the game so long as the circumstances present are similar to the ones seen by Durkin and Klauss’ situations.
Awful takes this week, ngl
"If he doesn't extend his arm out then it's a shoulder to shoulder challenge"
Hahaha haha that is the dumbest take I've ever heard. The arm did come out so it's the a shoulder to shoulder challenge. Haha you could justify every single foul if you thought that way. I don't think it's a red. But definitely a foul and a yellow. The other half of the "take". He was slow and so he cut across the path of the defender....haha he did that cause that is good soccer. How is that justifying it as not a foul. Weibe..... my man... seriously, you should have thought this one through before opening your mouth. Haha nit I do appreciate the comedy take for the week.
Most of the rest of the calls were good. Love watching this video each week. Keep it coming!
Weibe: player skill and speed is now a factor in whether a call should be made. Luna was too slow so the defender is okay taking him down--he didn't have a chance to start. What a joke!
Yeah I rarely disagree with Wiebe but I gotta disagree on the second one in the SKC vs STL game. That first one was absolutely shoulder to shoulder. Liebold got outmuscled. That 2nd one? Naw man. Klauss did not attempt to play the ball. He catches him in the back of the shoulder, not squarely, and absolutely does shove off. I was shocked that one stood. Sporting got outplayed physically but that second goal should never have stood.
The Laws of the Game draw a clear distinction between "attempting to play the ball" and "the ball is within playable distance", and the rules on shoulder-to-shoulder charges use the latter language. See my comment for details.
@@JayseabeeSTL All balls are within 'playable distance' if you take out the opposing players. Klaus is literally moving in the opposite direction of the ball (he's moving AWAY from the ball) to put in this body check. I like STL way better than SKC... but that was a foul.
It’s Klauss
@@lukeharper8926”Klaus” 🤡
@@elicarlson7682 Ah... the clown emoji. The signal to everyone that you lack an argument and creativity. Sorry, I misspelled Klaus, Klown.
Klaus was not playing the ball. He lined up the defender, took him down, and then turned to go after the ball.
I have to ask, Andrew, do you really believe what you said to be true or are you just coming up with a story and sticking to it like a 9th grade term paper?
At this point, Andrew is just reading off the script MLS provided. I don't know if anything he says is his opinion anymore. This used to be a good weekly video.
Everybody's favorite Unkel...
😂 I get stressed everytime I see unkel ref'ing
especially LAFC! never going to forgive him for the lafc whitecaos playoff game last year
@@calvin13236 Didnt watch that one (dont watch any PAFC matches for obvious reasons) but glad i hope lafc were the one finally getting robbed
Yup and against Sounders @@calvin13236
Of the Unkels, I wish it was Christina we were stuck with, not Ted. But now she gets to share a studio with Thierry Henry while her husband is doing...this stuff.
The secons STL goal was wrong. He played the man not the ball. its so obvious
Since when they start announcing fouls like American football
This was the first weekend.
This last weekend was the first time, following a new policy from the league meant to be implemented at the start of the season before the PRO strike happened. Also as part of the change, time wasting seems to be more under control
The new rule if a player goes down and takes any time getting up, they have to leave the field for 2 minutes and wait for a stop in play to go back out is the worst rule. Watching it play out in New England's game was terrible. I think its just gonna lead to more players pretending they're fine when they aren't and getting injured. It also awards teams that are physical and try to injure other teams players.
@@SamualHadge I believe if a player is injured to the point of needing to leave the field, they have exceptions and won't be penalized. Unless it's the final rounds of a competition, it's in everyone's best interest to receive medical attention ASAP. Even in the final rounds, an injured player will perform worse than a healthy player, so I doubt any serious injuries will remain on the field. Even staying off of the field for two minutes likely won't impact the game, and you could argue that keeping the momentum of the game going would be more beneficial, since the team with the injured player usually has the ball.
Could an injury be misdiagnosed as minor? Sure, but that's always a risk in sports. I don't think we'll have any issues with the new rule, other than bad calls by the ref. Those happen anyway so I wouldn't blame it on the rule
First week in MLS. It's been used elsewhere including the WWC.
I can't believe Sosa's wasn't reviewed at all.
Not a bang bang play, Klauss definitely fouled Agada. Not at all shocked that the official MLS reporters are overlooking horrendous officiating again. The Durkin one was less problematic, but Klauss got away with a dangerous play. He didn’t even play the ball remotely, you can’t just shoulder a guy for fun and call it shoulder to shoulder
On the Klaus freaking shoulder charge, there was no absolutely no attempt on the ball at all....good lord. I am not the expert though, I'll give you the the benefit of the doubt and will attempt this every time I play soccer, everything will go well...
I will agree, Sporting should have paid back the physicality when the ref continuously let it go; he would have lost control of the game eventually. Doesn't mean its not a freaking foul.
Yeah it's a foul. Definitely in the Grey. He got really lucky that the ball was close enough that he could disguise it as going for the ball.
“Klaus” 🤡
Klauss was 10 yards from the ball and moving in the opposite direction. He made ZERO effort to win the ball until Agada was on the ground.
He completely knows wrong this rule. Two of these were fouls.
What about Miami's Leo Afonso disallowed goal?
and Messi down ?
What do u mean?
@@tyronelorenzovalentio3414 Leo afonso's run caled offside
Messi down in penalty area in mia vs nashville
Freemen ref is a freaking 🤡 has no business being out there
This is what happens when somebody that is clueless about football trying to tell other people about football. 😂😂
The whole "annouce the decision to the stadium" is a bad idea
Ted Unkel strikes again.
Us Sounders fans didn't like how Ragen's wasn't on purpose and his leg was already on the ground before his cleat touched him, making it impossible to avoid (which us Sounders get cleated every game and opponents rarely get carded, yet alone a red). We definitely agree Alex Roldan's was fair.
Gauld was 45 degrees over when shoved from behind; that’s reckless and no accident. Then there is the clear contact on the back of the leg; nobody gets out of that by claiming accidental contact, or “his leg was already on the ground”. It might have been called as two yellows in less than a second but the end result would be the same. Both the Sounders and their fans could use more composure: consistently turning up the dirty play is not going to get them back in the playoff race, but using the skill that is there on the roster might.
Classic Unkel screwing over the Sounders last year then helping the Timbers this year. Unkel and his VAR team are always awful
I didn’t see them actually put ANY of the new rules into play this weekend. What’s up this that? Are the refs afraid?
Players in the SJ-LAG game were jumping up after fouls clearly still in a little bit of pain trying to shake it off instead of rolling around like they were dead. So at least in that game the players got the word and altered their behavior because of the new rules around this.
this is why nobody watches MLS
Well, it's mainly because they signed a deal with AppleTV to essentially hide their games from anyone except those willing to dish out even more money which means no chance of expanding their viewership.
Guys… it’s a foul.
Agree with all decisions
Why is Ted unkle still a ref
About that intro, when in the hell did we get nfl explanations??? Is this part od the new rules
This is what the league is moving towards for transparency.
@KRowDreamForge tbh, I don't hate it. To much controversy around refs
The red cards this week was insane especially the Seattle vs Vancouver game
Willy Agada is a flop artist. That said, STL does play an overly physical style and does toe the line.
This video reminds me how much I hate St Louis.
Amen brother 😂
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I have to disagree with you yet again Wiebe, because what a surprise you do not understand the laws of the game.
Law 12 from IFAB in regards to Handling the Balls states:
"It is an offence if a player:
-deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
-touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
-scores in the opponents’ goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental"
There are three parts to this law that we can look at. The first part is deliberately touches the ball. Well his arm is behind him as he is going down towards the grown and his arm is going towards the ground to brace himself so NO, he is not guilty of deliberately handling the ball. The third part is irrelevant as he is the defending player and no goal was scored as a result which leaves the send part only to look at.
Was his arm in an unnatural position with the intent to make himself unnaturally bigger? Again no. His arm was coming down to brace himself for the impact as he was sliding into the challenge to block the attempted cross. Furthermore the ball is clearly deflected off of his left calf before it goes between his legs (which is the only reason it goes between his legs) and strikes his arms. So not only was this a case of BALL TO HAND this was a case of the ball being deflected off of his LEG first which altered the trajectory of the path of the ball leaving him with less than half of a second to react while he was falling towards the ground. This was NOT a handball by the letter of the law. This was a horrible call by the on-field ref (who had a fairly decent game aside from this call) and this absolutely should have been overturned by VAR. And if you had any clue about the laws of the game, and after sever years of hosting this show you have shown week after week that you literally have none, you would have known this as well.
What about LAFC vs NYRB?
What about it?
@@MrCho14 the PK call
@@happiestmistake1504 The only thing odd about that play is that VAR recommended a review. It's a PK all day. It'll be interesting to hear why they thought it wasn't during Inside Video Review this week.
@@MrCho14 I don’t agree with it being 100% a pk, however yes I would like to hear what led to the decision
After review, while I can see Ragens foul being red, how does a LITERAL 5 min review state “clear and obvious”??? Clear and obvious should be a quick “oh I see what you mean” check and be done with it. Not 20 slowmo rewinds until someone convinces the other one to change the call… again, don’t disagree with the red but that is a fail on the refs for it taking that long.
Was it 5 minutes? He makes the review motion at 39.55 and we see the player almost in the tunnel at 42.50. So about 3 minutes total to get to the monitor, look at it, get back on the pitch to eject the player, have the player complain, and then have the player run the length of the pitch to where we saw him leaving the field.
@@MrCho14it took VAR over 2:30 to even send the center ref to the monitor.
@@RysloFC Did they actually take that long to come to their decision or were they waiting for a stoppage in play for the on field review to take place? There was an attack initially going on so a delay would be normal.
@@MrCho14 VAR took that long to review. Play continued after the foul for about 6-10 seconds.
@@RysloFC Is that all the action that took place before the next stoppage? Yeah, that's a long time to delay to look at that if that's the case.
"shoulder on shoulder".....yeah if you play hockey it's fine but this is football. Cleary 2 fouls there
Brother Men I advise you to seriously check the rules
First one is clear
Second is not clear
Andrew Wiede, you sold your soul. This is not honest commentary. This is playing the part of a good network partner. You have the opportunity to make the game better. This week you kowtow to the league and PRO and say they got it right. You lost cred.
the second one looked bad. if that is allowed then put it in the rules. that in fact may be an interesting concept and interesting version of footbal. but with the current rules, that should not be allowed
HIT THE WEIGHTS KC BABIES
Weibe on drugs? Klaus is 100% a foul. He isn't playing the ball at all. The direction he's taking is to take the skc player out. Shoulder to shoulder doesnt matter if hes straight up body checking someone. honestly think I'm taking crazy pills listening to this
Regan is also not a red. Yellow yes but never a red. If this is a red, we'd see reds in nearly every other game
Wtf is this analysis?
DIdn't review the Red Bull penalty I see. Seems about right...
Sorry, Ragen did not intentionally step on that guy, it was a bang bang play, not a Red.
Intentional doesn't matter. We've seen much more 'accidental' plays which still qualified for a red.
Mind reading should never be a part of the game. It was serious foul play. These are supposed to be world class athletes, responsible for the results of their actions.
@@DukeTrout Guys leg was in the wrong place at the wrong time, unfortunate, but not a dangerous play. Nobody from Vancouver was was making it an issue.
@@jamesparsons9010 Bullshit. That’s not at all how the rules work. If it was, there would never be a red card and soccer would be MMA.
Bang bang indeed. Bang #1 was shoving from behind a player already halfway to the ground; bang #2 was stepping on him while he was on the ground. Both reckless, intent doesn’t matter. Some of the Sounders fans on the reddit stream were claiming pushing a player is legal: LOTG do not agree and spell it out clearly. Sympathies for Seattle’s poor start, but the road back is to accentuate the skill, not the toughness.
This narrator is a joke and does *not* know the actual rules of the game he’s talking about. 😡 Unsubscribed.
There were four flagrant fouls by Seatle before the 1st red card. They were playing dirty. After the 2nd Red, Vancouver stopped pressing to score. They could have run up the score; they deserve recognition. Seatle should get fined for making assault part of the game plan.
Paused it to say, surely he's being sarcastic about the hockey check, right???
AMERICA!!!!!
SKC fans are complaining. It's a rivalry match more things are gonna be let slide. Should it happen no, but think logically Kansas fans.
What the @#(K I never comment but if shoulder to shoulder of this kind is ok Soccer will never be the same
Sounders 😢
Everybody please remember that Wiebe is only trying to give controversial takes to get extra clicks for MLS. He knows the rules and specifically misinterprets them to generate discussion
What makes you think he actually knows the rules down to this level?
@@MrCho14This is an excellent point. Never assume commentators know the Laws well. Wiebe is not a referee.
@@TheFranchiseCA To be fair, he often does a good job of explaining the printed words. Sometimes he gets the real-life interpretations correct, but when he misses he misses big.
Guys, this is MLS. Their law could be different than 70 countries in the world. So, stop YELLING at Wiebe he's wrong. He just do his job.
The fact that this is MLS does not matter. They are still a FIFA sanctioned league and as such they are subjected to the same Laws that all other leagues are subjected to. They are not different. And frankly, Wiebe is just a shill who either does not have a clue what the hell is he talking about or willingly talks out of his ass in order to tow the company line. Either rate he deserves all of the negative comments that he gets.
Wiebe hates the Sounders, of course he's going to say Ragen's red wasn't bullshit.
do you not have eyes? such a clear step on the calf.
Really? Look at the replay. He wasn’t even close to the ball.
@@richardgena6913 doesn't matter how close he was to the ball bro, a step on the calf is a step on the calf.
This Sounders' victim game is old and tired.
As a (real) football fan, I didn't see anything wrong with the Klauss hit. If the game was played more like that and they got rid of all that bullsh*t flopping...it would be a more respectable -sport- thing to watch.
Regan wasn’t engaging in foul play, he accidentally stepped on the opponent. Yellow? Yeah that makes sense. Red, that’s real harsh. Also, given that the review took forever it clearly wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
Accident or not does not matter. We've seen that in much more accidental cases than this.
Intent doesn’t matter. Results matter. It was serious foul play, no intent to harm is required.
Accidentally shoved an already-falling player to the ground from behind before stepping on the back of his leg. That’s two yellows and the same result. We’re not just talking about the foot on leg here.
Strong disagree on both the STL and SEA takes.