Great work guys!! Please keep doing what you do!! I'm 66 years young and a retired long range precision rifle instructor and I learn a ton from your channel. Especially about the guns not in my world. It's so interesting to watch and listen you y'all. From south central Virginia, take care, flea
Hey guys. Quickly here are the channels I talked about in this video. Be sure to give them a sub...GREAT guys: Forgotten Weapons Britishmuzzleloaders Gungeek Murphysmuskets C&RArsenal
So true about condition, I've said the same thing about classic vehicles for many years. Whether you are looking for unrestored original condition or correctly restored to manufacturer specs. Story chain of ownership and other related documents can also make a difference.
I know this is off topic, but what the heck is up with our community??? I only see 24,945 signatures for the anti-H.R.3999 petition. Is EVERYONE of us distracted by all the crap on the idiot box??? I already signed it multiple times with all my emails. WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE??????!?!?!?????? WTF?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE ISN'T MUCH TIME LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS GO PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats where rarity plays into the equation. If its a gun that is highly available, then the functional condition is somewhat important to the price. If its a gun that is very rare, to almost unavailable, then its condition matters even more in most cases. Worth a fortune as a paper weight, worth 10 times that if its functional.
This video that you guys did is bye far the most informed review I have ever watched on Condition of a firearm. Great information, keep up the good work IV8888.
I like the enthusiasm about the Enfield. I just had a like new surplus barrel installed on my No1 Mk3. Spent too much money. I couldn't be happier. Love the Enfield.
Condition is undoubtedly king. It's that last 2-3% of condition that can make a difference worth tens of thousands of dollars. I'm hoping to see more videos on the up-and-coming engraved puma collectibles market.
Had a similar experience... A guy at the local gun show, who always has a huge table, was selling an M1 Garand... I glanced at it and the $1,200 price tag that said "original WW2 rifle"... Well, it was a 5.84 million serial number (same as my service grade CMP Garand manufactured in 1955), and was even DISPLAYED WITH A CMP CERTIFICATE. I hate to be "that guy", but I humored the fella, who caught me Checking it out... He said "nice rifle isn't it???" I gave him my best "oh boy-howdy" voice... "Yeah, its a nice one for sure... 5.84 million serial I see" "It sure is... genuine, all-original WW2 Garand!!! Even has the ww2 inspection stamps!" We himmed and hawed a bit, til I finally said "well, it sure is nice, but I own a 5.84 million serial just like this one... got it from the CMP for $650... it also has the same post-ww2 Nato-era Cartouche, Proof Stamp, and replacement H&R bolt as yours... good news is that your 1955 barrel is correct to the rifle's serial..." The guy acted "shocked" and said "wow... you know a whole lot more about them than I do..." He then bid me good day, placed the CMP certificate and "$1,200 Original WW2 M1 Garand" tags back on the rifle, then set it back on the stand... It pays dividends to KNOW what you are looking at...
I was recently searching for my middle son's 1st .22. I searched and looked at a lot of new guns but I ended up attending a gun show. I found an 40+ year old training rifle for about the same as a new bolt action ruger. The thing I loved about it is that it is an old gun like the one I gave to my oldest son that was my Dad's. It gives him an old gun to give to his son like I had to give my 1st born. We shot it the day I bought it and it shoots great it got him researching and learning and these old guns are educational beyond just learning to shoot. I suggest when you get your kids into guns start them with an old gun rather than a new one.
Really enjoy your videos there very informative. Like that you do real reviews. Instead of ranting and raving like another you tube channel I know of. Keep up the good work.
I talked to chad the other day on instagram and i wanna say that if you have any questions at all about which gun you should get i would definitely say go ahead and ask him hes a real nice guy
Good video Eric an Chad... I was at a Gun show this past weekend... An everything was so over priced is was disgusting.... I finally found a Smith&Wesson model 64-5 that I got a really good price on it.... But wow I thought you go to a Gunshow to get decent prices... smh
Gun shows are starting to turn into BS for sure. I’ve been bit mg online here and there. Gunbroker isn’t a terrible option but be sure to ask lots of questions and ask for lots of pictures.
Thanks for the info Eric... I love your channel always have. I've been Subscribed since Barry was around.... But I'm a huge fan of yours... An as soon as I find a new job... I'm going to donate to your patron....
Same at the gun shows here in southern california. another gripe i have(recognizing that our politicians are bat-shit crazy gun-grabbers) is the new law that the crooked communist politicians have passed that requires background checks on ammo that must be purchased through an FFL. I have been buying ammo online for years at screaming deals not available anywhere else and sent straight to my front door. Starting Jan. 1st of 2018, buying ammo will be a huge and expensive pain in the ass and I can't even begin to say how fking pissed off I am about all of these infringements on our second amendment, as well as the insanely high taxes (new gas tax starts tomorrow Nov. 1st goes up 12 cents to start the new law) and catering laws to mental illnesses (trans bathroom laws and laws allowing "gender neutral" on driver's licenses, birth certificates etc.) and the plethora of other morally bankrupt laws and regulations that are flat-out wrong in the eyes of any decent human being who was raised with morals and values. Sorry for my rant, I needed to vent. The distinction between right and wrong in modern politics is so blatantly obvious that it blows my mind to see people who gobble up the bullshit propaganda from the MSM. They are followers, not leaders.
Iraqveteran8888 went to my first gun show here in CA and i cant even find a gun for less than 500 and black powder guns for 300 =) i just want my first pistol i would even settel for a .22 pistol
Gun shows are like that, most guns are priced fair to high. The fun is finding that gem that everyone is overlooking and is priced low. I have found a lot of great deals at gun shows but you have do do some research and keep your options open and realize you won't always find a deal.
Thank you Gentlemen, I am going to a show this Sat. And this video just reminds me to check myself b4 I get to excited. I too have noticed how prices at shows have gone completely retail lately which will also give me pause and save room in the safe.
My dad served in the Royal Canadian Armed Forces in the 80s, and they used Lee Enfields with conversions to shoot 22lr in a underground range used for a training facility in WW2 in Halifax Nova Scotia. He's a showoff at the gun range when he's rappid firing his Lee Enfield in 303 Brit.
Thanks boys for all you do. You are well appreciated for not being precious. You are the equal of those other channels. Don't forget Hickok 45 and Da Plinksta.
The look on Chad's face when Eric started talking about an unissued Enfield still in cosmo and its packing paper.....that's love right there. He will own one, one day.
I have learned so much from this channel. I hope to one day have as vast a knowledge of firearms as these gentlemen. I shall continue to support the channel, no-matter TH-cams censorship/algorithms.
I bought an Enfield Sporter ($135) First I checked the Headspace & even though it needed repair, I found a collection of "NEW" Heads & bought one of each as I didn't know which one I might need when I took it to the gunsmith. I have the Original #1 & a #3 (new) if anyone needs them. I also bought a 1944 Mosin Nagant & after cleaning/inspecting it, I took it out to our range. We have Steel life-size cut-outs of various game animals out to 900 yards going up the side of the mountain. I'm by far not a marksman but, using the original sights I was able to hit the bear at 800 yards. (maybe the head, maybe the tail)? Cost $99 at an auction. While it had quality wood stock, I did swap it out for an Archangel Stock & a Timney Trigger. It's a damn sweet firearm for Mountain Goat / Bighorn Sheep hunting !
I snagged an original 1885 Winchester Low Wall recently in .32-20, all original in about 70-80% and the gun was made in 1889. The gun is in amazing shape, but the shop owner knows his clients and charged a fair price because not everyone is beating down the door looking for one. I got it for a fair price and can't complain. Another gun shop I go to has prices that are designed for people who just fell off the turnip truck.
I'd like too see you do a gun gripe episode on war prizes. I have a few guns with capture papers, and it's really interesting to know the provenance of a firearm. Thanks for posting all the great videos. I just picked up a Iraqveteran8888 t-shirt and am a fan!
For me, it's got to be a shooter. If it's a museum piece, I can't afford it anyway, but I also wouldn't have any use for it. That puma-inscribed Broomhandle might have been worth my consideration if the price were good.
Condition is pretty key. I just bought a no.4 mk1* and it was never shot by the previous owner who owned it since the 70’s (family so I doubt he lied) . I took it out to 200 yards and hit a couple inches from bullseye. Never shot an open sight other than a pistol before hand!
Totally agree with this. I was recently in the market for a savage 99 in either .300 savage or .308. Down here in south texas these guns are even more scarce than usual so when I saw a scoped .300 in my local gun shop I got exited..... until I saw the price tag. The shop owner (not present at the time) wanted $850 (for a later '60's F model) and the owners grandson working the counter said it was "because he had taken two of them in a trade years ago and didn't want to loose money on them". The owners grandson even conceded that realistically it was probably closer to a $650 rifle. Needless to say I found another 99 later.
for one I agree Ian from forgotten weapons is probably the guy who knows almost every thing about the classic and old rifles. British muzzle loader does great videos as well and to add sense of humor. for those that love the Enfield R.C. aka rifle chair is a great one on the Lee Enfield. and has other great videos as well. and I have watched the others that you have mentioned and they are great as well. I'd also point out that if a rifle has true history with paperwork to prove who's it was it'll bring that much more if it is certain personal. or came from a certain group, with documentation of course.
I too shoot everything I own. I own a Colt Python that's probably worth well over $2k now. When I bought it it came in the original box and had about 100 rounds through it. I shoot the snot out of it. Same goes for my Mini-14 factory folder, Savage 99 brush gun, Antique Winchesters, Springfields, Colts, etc. Everything gets shot.
Hi Eric and Chad Love your videos. Up here in Canada we can own handguns as long as the barrel is 4.25 in long and mag only holds 10 RDS. Really enjoy your work. Bert Collicutt
Normally when I see milsurps the last thing I care about is external condition. In fact, I like to see one roughed up and looking like it's been dragged through all 9 layers of Hell and back. But I like to feel the trigger and take a solid gander at the bore
Maybe one day ill cancell netflix, and binge watch every gun gripe... People will name their children after me. My name will echo throughout the digital age, of the one aquatic fish, who breathed air for many days, harnessing the power of all that is electricity, against all odds, watched 145 consecutive Gun Gripes, without fear or minnows for snacks, because the pike knew, his cause was just...The binge....Was real. -Insert rocket ship here-
Here's a 5 guns suggestion for you: "Top 5 'Red Dawn' guns." By which I mean our enemies decide to invade you only have enough time to grab 5 guns and escape to the mountains what guns do you choose. Consider everything: nock down power, portability, ease of finding more ammo, and any other of the many factors not listed.
I have a Christoph Funk in Suhl gun. I cannot find too much info on it, except from a couple sites. Stepdad's father brought it back from Germany during WW2. Damascus steel barrel, engraved with hunting scenery. Maybe you guys can team up with Ian from Forgotten weapons. Love what you guys are doing.
Whoever says this is an amateur. There are many factors in firearms purchases, even from a collector's standpoint. Condition, functionality, rarity, ammunition availability, etc. Goid video guys!
Great video Eric and Chad. You were speaking of mauser's and that reminded me of a 1909 Argentine mauser I'm going to be getting at a local pawn shop. It's in very nice shape for being around since 1910 and still has it's matching numbers cleaning rod but sadly no bayonet. It must have been in America for a long time because it doesn't even have any import markings on it. That will make it the oldest gun i own. Before i found that it was a 1923 mosin hex receiver still covered in cosmoline. I've become a bit of a small time collector from watching your channel among others and have managed to aquire a few decent milsurps over the past 3 or 4 years. Oh hey Chad i have a 1943 Long Branch Enfield, my first milsurp since i was a teenager.
I walked into a local gun shop recently. They have a Mosin 91/30 with matching numbers, bayonet, and a Hex receiver. Priced at $599!!!! I almost laughed in the shop owners face. smh
I got fooled by a Jungle Carbine. I didn't do my research and I got too excited when I saw it, bought it on impulse and now I'm stuck with it. I think it's pretty funny you guys used it as an example.
My old man used to have an issued M-91/24 that had quite a large blood stain seeped into the wood, not sure whether something like that would have added or taken away from the rifle.
I had been told that the .410 Enfields were called "foraging pieces" and were made the gathering of game for the company stew pot. The prison guard thing makes sense though.
For a Martini H in the UK Condition is absolutely king anything above 'as found' is at least £600+ oh and if your thinking but I've seen many for less those are probably ones converted to .303 or .22 even Irish constabulary or foreign examples but original British .450/577 are a lot of money
In most cases condition, provenance and rarity determine value. Unfortunately how many times has someone brought you a gun thinking that Grandpa's well used gun, of a common brand and model thought it was worth what a mint condition version is worth. This is particularly true when they have a common caliber/gauge while the top dollar versions are in a fairly rare caliber or with unusual sights or other features.
Some dude I have been seeing at gunshows for over a year has not been able to sale a 7.62x39 Bakelite magazine. He has it priced at $200 when I can go home and buy 5 of the same kind for that price.
One side note to condition is provenance. That beat up Chinese SKS could have its value increased 4-5 times if it has LEGITIMATE Viet Nam capture papers. There are now unscrupulous individuals faking capture papers so be careful. Sometimes a historical gun can have legitimate paperwork and still be a fake. For example, Jessie James' mom used to get beat up hand guns that she would sell as a 'gun Jessie carried' compete with signed note. Some were made years after Jessie shot. Additionally, even participants in an event, suffering from fading memory can give incorrect provenance as in case with the misidentified Remington semi-auto that supposedly shot Bonnie and Clyde. Anyway what that particular firearm experienced, if legitimate and connected to a person or theatre of operation, increases value to many collectors.
Its funny you say drop a round down the muzzle if it eats it dont buy it. My friend bought a 1911 with a stainless steel match barrel it eat a round up to the case on the muzzle but i can shoot 14 rounds in a 2in circle at 20 yards
A certain gun channel recently teased us with a short clip of what appears to be a genuine M1903 Air Service Rifle....I hope it doesn't have a Puma on it.
Hitler only owned two Walther semi-automatic pistols--that he carried. There was another scrolled presentation pistol given him, but it was put to the side and never used.
My gun gripe is i been looking for a sks in the original wooden stock and i finally found one but who ever owned it did all kinds of stupid shit to it. They tried to turn it into a a modern day rifel with scope plastic stock and 30 rnd mag. It didnt look like a sks should look like. It cost me a small fortune to find the stuff like wood stock cleaning kit and original 10 rnd mag.
I own a Ishapore 1948 Lee Enfield No.1 Mk.3* 303 British with matching numbers except the magazine is a different number but it is a great rifle and I used it to deer hunt with. I would like to find a No.4 Mk.1 to go with my No.1 Mk.3
Ive seen crap like that at gun shows before, and the guy is dead set and convinced its worth some insane sum because of it. "its trench art!" or some other BS like that.
I really don't understand the hate that This channel has received. They have been a long member of the online firearms community for YEARS with good service to our causes. Ignoring their shooting videos and 5 guns videos, their 100+ Gun Gripes videos are one of the best content of the gun community on this website. Whether or not they had some expensive sponsorships 3 years ago does not take away from what these guys have made. Also, R.I.P. Barry..
Just leave it by the curb where it belongs. That tool just likes to stir up trouble for views, thats all there is to it. He goes after bigger channels starting shit all the time. We know this, and all of Eric's true fans do too. Thats good enough right?
Because some gunowners out there would love to get rid of the NRA in order to remove the only presence that pro-gun people have in the courts and legislature to you know... help gun rights
I was never a huge fan of this channel even when Barry was there, but he made it watchable. I've always took this channel's reviews with a grain of salt because they never were actual reviews, just showcasing products like hickok45. End of the day, they chose to support the reprehensible actions of the NRA. The very same organization we donate to PROTECT our gun rights and they tried selling us out at a moment's notice...and they're trying to get us to donate more money to the organization that cheated us. The NRA doesn't hold all that much power. All they are is a overpriced dog whistle that swoops in for the glory. Gun owners are exceptionally politically active. The NRA wanted NOTHING to do with the Heller case...but certainly reap the benefits.
Rusty Shackleford You talk about the NRA like its some shadowy underworld figure hellbent on world domination. The NRA is made up of people, millions of americams actually. So it doesnt matter how you feel about the NRA, your not a leftist, stop showcasing your feelings like one. The NRA represents millions of gun owners in America, and it was their members who voiced the opinion that bumb stocks were sacrificial. If the NRA would have got negative feedback on bumpstock bans, they wouldn't have pursued that option. And any serious firearms enthusiast doesn't waste their money on bumpstocks. The NRA does what its members allow. So millions of gun owners sat on their asses and did nothing while this happened. Stop blaming the NRA. Its the people who make up that organization that allowed bumpstocks to potentially be banned
My local pawnshop wants $1100. For a Mauser that was converted to 30-06 and was cut to be a sportier. It is beat up. I looked at the guy behind the counter and said you will never get that price.
Never in my life i will understand collectors that do not shoot. If i already spend a lot of money for those toys i of course want to shoot it, trying to get familiar with that, like with my old chile Mauser
Actually, most of the work done on the Trapdoor isn't bad, but you have to keep in mind, most of that work was probably done at a time when those guns were next to worthless. Go through some of the old gun mags from the 50's and the 60's and they were selling guns like that in mint condition for $15-$20 and even Mausers and M1's for under $50 each. So yeah it sucks to see it but when it was done, the gun was not worth what it is now mint. I have a Swede Mauser that was cut down many years ago, they're still not worth more than $500-$600 today in most cases for the standard M96 which is what this is. So to me, well, it's worth it as a great shooter.
Eric/Chad, on the subject of shooting everything in your collection, how would one go about validating that the weapon they have inherited is safe to shoot? I have an old Sharps Carbine (.52 cal original civil war) that's been in my family forever and I'd LOVE to take it to the range, but I worry about degrading its value. Should I take it somewhere to have the chamber / barrel magnafluxed for fractures?
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Great work guys!! Please keep doing what you do!! I'm 66 years young and a retired long range precision rifle instructor and I learn a ton from your channel. Especially about the guns not in my world. It's so interesting to watch and listen you y'all. From south central Virginia, take care, flea
Hey guys. Quickly here are the channels I talked about in this video. Be sure to give them a sub...GREAT guys:
Forgotten Weapons
Britishmuzzleloaders
Gungeek
Murphysmuskets
C&RArsenal
An RPGs shape charge turns into a cone of super heated molten copper. At least that’s my experience with them.
and the can't single load the Carcano rifle thing ;)
C&RArsenal has a lot of good info on common sense repairs.
most defidently great guys. forgotten weapons shows alot of unique weapons you ill NOT find at your regular gun store.
Iraqveteran8888 Hitter had a lot because he had gun control and took all the guns away from the people of Germany so they could not revolt
Nice of them to have mentioned Forgotten Weapons one of my favorite channels. GUN JESUS BLESSES ALL
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KAMERON ROUGEOU all hail gun Jesus, blessed amongst gun enthusiast
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I love Chads face when Eric is talking about a nonissued Enfield. You can see him just imagining it and it's great
I think a top 5 with forgotten weapons would be amazing
captinjohn45 ask Ian
Chad always looks like hes had a fat line before filming ha
Chad's expressions when Eric was talking about the unissued Enfield just made my day. 😂
Forgotten Weapons and InRange are two awesome channels. You can learn a lot from those fellas. Very intelligent dudes.
So true about condition, I've said the same thing about classic vehicles for many years. Whether you are looking for unrestored original condition or correctly restored to manufacturer specs. Story chain of ownership and other related documents can also make a difference.
You've just made the "puma Mauser" a thing of legend worth thousands more than it was yesterday.
I have a zombie mauser...
GarthKlaus for real hahaha
GarthKlaus I don't understand. What does the puma mean
Finna Nut Yo a Puma is a big cat, so basically somebody did a shoddy engraving of a cat on the side.
I know this is off topic, but what the heck is up with our community??? I only see 24,945 signatures for the anti-H.R.3999 petition. Is EVERYONE of us distracted by all the crap on the idiot box??? I already signed it multiple times with all my emails. WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE??????!?!?!?????? WTF?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE ISN'T MUCH TIME LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LETS GO PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who doesn't like a puma engraved on their gun??? 😁
"We don't want it with a puma on it, dude!" is a phrase that may never have been said before this video.
Mrgunsngear Channel its probably Hitler's trench art. Lol 🤔🖖
Are you sure it isn't a "sex panther," by Odeon..? Word on the street is that 60% of the time, it works EVERY time..
I don’t want that lol
Maybe a Nike fan? (Ok, i'm out)...
I’m sincerely hoping Puma Engraved C96 guy sees this video. Haha
For some weapons the opposite is true, I think that people would give loads of money for a M9 that has been beat to hell in Faluja for example.
SWEmanque I think it depends. If it is still fireable it would be if its not then it varies
Thats where rarity plays into the equation. If its a gun that is highly available, then the functional condition is somewhat important to the price. If its a gun that is very rare, to almost unavailable, then its condition matters even more in most cases. Worth a fortune as a paper weight, worth 10 times that if its functional.
This video that you guys did is bye far the most informed review I have ever watched on Condition of a firearm. Great information, keep up the good work IV8888.
I could listen to you guys all day long, Never a dull moment.
Chad thanks for the support. We work hard for our viewers. I appreciate every one of you.
I like the enthusiasm about the Enfield. I just had a like new surplus barrel installed on my No1 Mk3. Spent too much money. I couldn't be happier. Love the Enfield.
Condition is undoubtedly king. It's that last 2-3% of condition that can make a difference worth tens of thousands of dollars.
I'm hoping to see more videos on the up-and-coming engraved puma collectibles market.
😂😂😂😂 the nerve of some people
Had a similar experience... A guy at the local gun show, who always has a huge table, was selling an M1 Garand...
I glanced at it and the $1,200 price tag that said "original WW2 rifle"...
Well, it was a 5.84 million serial number (same as my service grade CMP Garand manufactured in 1955), and was even DISPLAYED WITH A CMP CERTIFICATE.
I hate to be "that guy", but I humored the fella, who caught me Checking it out...
He said "nice rifle isn't it???"
I gave him my best "oh boy-howdy" voice...
"Yeah, its a nice one for sure... 5.84 million serial I see"
"It sure is... genuine, all-original WW2 Garand!!! Even has the ww2 inspection stamps!"
We himmed and hawed a bit, til I finally said "well, it sure is nice, but I own a 5.84 million serial just like this one... got it from the CMP for $650... it also has the same post-ww2 Nato-era Cartouche, Proof Stamp, and replacement H&R bolt as yours... good news is that your 1955 barrel is correct to the rifle's serial..."
The guy acted "shocked" and said "wow... you know a whole lot more about them than I do..."
He then bid me good day, placed the CMP certificate and "$1,200 Original WW2 M1 Garand" tags back on the rifle, then set it back on the stand...
It pays dividends to KNOW what you are looking at...
Thanks for staying on topic guys
hank hill was mighty scared to see that puma XD
I was recently searching for my middle son's 1st .22. I searched and looked at a lot of new guns but I ended up attending a gun show. I found an 40+ year old training rifle for about the same as a new bolt action ruger. The thing I loved about it is that it is an old gun like the one I gave to my oldest son that was my Dad's. It gives him an old gun to give to his son like I had to give my 1st born. We shot it the day I bought it and it shoots great it got him researching and learning and these old guns are educational beyond just learning to shoot. I suggest when you get your kids into guns start them with an old gun rather than a new one.
Really enjoy your videos there very informative. Like that you do real reviews. Instead of ranting and raving like another you tube channel I know of. Keep up the good work.
I talked to chad the other day on instagram and i wanna say that if you have any questions at all about which gun you should get i would definitely say go ahead and ask him hes a real nice guy
Can you do top 10 counterfeit guns?
The south lost.
This is an awesome idea.
Nice!
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Good video Eric an Chad... I was at a Gun show this past weekend... An everything was so over priced is was disgusting.... I finally found a Smith&Wesson model 64-5 that I got a really good price on it.... But wow I thought you go to a Gunshow to get decent prices... smh
Gun shows are starting to turn into BS for sure. I’ve been bit mg online here and there. Gunbroker isn’t a terrible option but be sure to ask lots of questions and ask for lots of pictures.
Thanks for the info Eric... I love your channel always have. I've been Subscribed since Barry was around.... But I'm a huge fan of yours... An as soon as I find a new job... I'm going to donate to your patron....
Same at the gun shows here in southern california. another gripe i have(recognizing that our politicians are bat-shit crazy gun-grabbers) is the new law that the crooked communist politicians have passed that requires background checks on ammo that must be purchased through an FFL. I have been buying ammo online for years at screaming deals not available anywhere else and sent straight to my front door. Starting Jan. 1st of 2018, buying ammo will be a huge and expensive pain in the ass and I can't even begin to say how fking pissed off I am about all of these infringements on our second amendment, as well as the insanely high taxes (new gas tax starts tomorrow Nov. 1st goes up 12 cents to start the new law) and catering laws to mental illnesses (trans bathroom laws and laws allowing "gender neutral" on driver's licenses, birth certificates etc.) and the plethora of other morally bankrupt laws and regulations that are flat-out wrong in the eyes of any decent human being who was raised with morals and values. Sorry for my rant, I needed to vent. The distinction between right and wrong in modern politics is so blatantly obvious that it blows my mind to see people who gobble up the bullshit propaganda from the MSM. They are followers, not leaders.
Iraqveteran8888 went to my first gun show here in CA and i cant even find a gun for less than 500 and black powder guns for 300 =) i just want my first pistol i would even settel for a .22 pistol
Gun shows are like that, most guns are priced fair to high. The fun is finding that gem that everyone is overlooking and is priced low. I have found a lot of great deals at gun shows but you have do do some research and keep your options open and realize you won't always find a deal.
Chad, that was a pretty good Jeff Foxworthy impression there at about the 3.30 mark onward.
A lot of good points here too. Thanks.
Thank you Gentlemen, I am going to a show this Sat. And this video just reminds me to check myself b4 I get to excited. I too have noticed how prices at shows have gone completely retail lately which will also give me pause and save room in the safe.
My dad served in the Royal Canadian Armed Forces in the 80s, and they used Lee Enfields with conversions to shoot 22lr in a underground range used for a training facility in WW2 in Halifax Nova Scotia. He's a showoff at the gun range when he's rappid firing his Lee Enfield in 303 Brit.
Thanks boys for all you do. You are well appreciated for not being precious.
You are the equal of those other channels. Don't forget Hickok 45 and Da Plinksta.
The look on Chad's face when Eric started talking about an unissued Enfield still in cosmo and its packing paper.....that's love right there. He will own one, one day.
Chad would flinch firing a 303.
Ian from forgotten weapons is awesome
I have learned so much from this channel. I hope to one day have as vast a knowledge of firearms as these gentlemen. I shall continue to support the channel, no-matter TH-cams censorship/algorithms.
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I bought an Enfield Sporter ($135) First I checked the Headspace & even though it needed repair, I found a collection of "NEW" Heads & bought one of each as I didn't know which one I might need when I took it to the gunsmith. I have the Original #1 & a #3 (new) if anyone needs them. I also bought a 1944 Mosin Nagant & after cleaning/inspecting it, I took it out to our range. We have Steel life-size cut-outs of various game animals out to 900 yards going up the side of the mountain. I'm by far not a marksman but, using the original sights I was able to hit the bear at 800 yards. (maybe the head, maybe the tail)? Cost $99 at an auction. While it had quality wood stock, I did swap it out for an Archangel Stock & a Timney Trigger. It's a damn sweet firearm for Mountain Goat / Bighorn Sheep hunting !
honestly,I think issued firearms are so much cooler than unissued because the issued have a bunch of cool character and history
Let’s talk about the condition of the 2nd Amendment...
MoreAmerican It's in the same condition as the rest of them, GUARDED!
Stanley Nick Jedrzejczyk
Guarded from whom, by whom?
Convince me it’s not compromised.
MoreAmerican
He can't... wants you to drop your guard and not worry about it. Don't worry we got the NRA to trust!
its in bad shape....
I snagged an original 1885 Winchester Low Wall recently in .32-20, all original in about 70-80% and the gun was made in 1889. The gun is in amazing shape, but the shop owner knows his clients and charged a fair price because not everyone is beating down the door looking for one. I got it for a fair price and can't complain. Another gun shop I go to has prices that are designed for people who just fell off the turnip truck.
I'd like too see you do a gun gripe episode on war prizes. I have a few guns with capture papers, and it's really interesting to know the provenance of a firearm. Thanks for posting all the great videos. I just picked up a Iraqveteran8888 t-shirt and am a fan!
There was a Mosin 91-59 in perfect shape at the last gun show. Never refinished and still in the cosmo bag. He wanted $650
Best part of this video is the "roawr!" at the end.
I almost bought a Norinco SKS this weekend. Then my allergy medicine wore off and I regained my senses.
Charles Soto shoulda took your normal pills and bought it, sissy boy.
Yeah but it sometimes lasts more than 4 hours when I do that...
How much was it?
$350 but they had a 2-day 10% off sale. Was in decent shape, near as I could tell.
Charles Soto
Retardation doesn't wear off when you stop taking allergy medication.
For me, it's got to be a shooter. If it's a museum piece, I can't afford it anyway, but I also wouldn't have any use for it. That puma-inscribed Broomhandle might have been worth my consideration if the price were good.
Condition is pretty key. I just bought a no.4 mk1* and it was never shot by the previous owner who owned it since the 70’s (family so I doubt he lied) . I took it out to 200 yards and hit a couple inches from bullseye. Never shot an open sight other than a pistol before hand!
Totally agree with this. I was recently in the market for a savage 99 in either .300 savage or .308. Down here in south texas these guns are even more scarce than usual so when I saw a scoped .300 in my local gun shop I got exited..... until I saw the price tag. The shop owner (not present at the time) wanted $850 (for a later '60's F model) and the owners grandson working the counter said it was "because he had taken two of them in a trade years ago and didn't want to loose money on them". The owners grandson even conceded that realistically it was probably closer to a $650 rifle. Needless to say I found another 99 later.
for one I agree Ian from forgotten weapons is probably the guy who knows almost every thing about the classic and old rifles. British muzzle loader does great videos as well and to add sense of humor. for those that love the Enfield R.C. aka rifle chair is a great one on the Lee Enfield. and has other great videos as well. and I have watched the others that you have mentioned and they are great as well. I'd also point out that if a rifle has true history with paperwork to prove who's it was it'll bring that much more if it is certain personal. or came from a certain group, with documentation of course.
I too shoot everything I own.
I own a Colt Python that's probably worth well over $2k now. When I bought it it came in the original box and had about 100 rounds through it.
I shoot the snot out of it. Same goes for my Mini-14 factory folder, Savage 99 brush gun, Antique Winchesters, Springfields, Colts, etc. Everything gets shot.
Hi Eric and Chad Love your videos. Up here in Canada we can own handguns as long as the barrel is 4.25 in long and mag only holds 10 RDS. Really enjoy your work. Bert Collicutt
Normally when I see milsurps the last thing I care about is external condition. In fact, I like to see one roughed up and looking like it's been dragged through all 9 layers of Hell and back. But I like to feel the trigger and take a solid gander at the bore
Maybe one day ill cancell netflix, and binge watch every gun gripe...
People will name their children after me. My name will echo throughout the digital age, of the one aquatic fish, who breathed air for many days, harnessing the power of all that is electricity, against all odds, watched 145 consecutive Gun Gripes, without fear or minnows for snacks, because the pike knew, his cause was just...The binge....Was real.
-Insert rocket ship here-
I love you guys, seriously your the most genuine people on the Internet.
Here's a 5 guns suggestion for you: "Top 5 'Red Dawn' guns." By which I mean our enemies decide to invade you only have enough time to grab 5 guns and escape to the mountains what guns do you choose. Consider everything: nock down power, portability, ease of finding more ammo, and any other of the many factors not listed.
Gungeek was the very first gun channel I ever subbed to, love Mosins, and he did great videos on that topic
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Hey brother, not much time for youtube anymore, but I still check in on your channel from time to time
You guys are so funny you gonna make me puma pants.
nice one.
I have a Christoph Funk in Suhl gun. I cannot find too much info on it, except from a couple sites. Stepdad's father brought it back from Germany during WW2. Damascus steel barrel, engraved with hunting scenery. Maybe you guys can team up with Ian from Forgotten weapons. Love what you guys are doing.
Whoever says this is an amateur. There are many factors in firearms purchases, even from a collector's standpoint. Condition, functionality, rarity, ammunition availability, etc. Goid video guys!
Great video Eric and Chad. You were speaking of mauser's and that reminded me of a 1909 Argentine mauser I'm going to be getting at a local pawn shop. It's in very nice shape for being around since 1910 and still has it's matching numbers cleaning rod but sadly no bayonet. It must have been in America for a long time because it doesn't even have any import markings on it. That will make it the oldest gun i own. Before i found that it was a 1923 mosin hex receiver still covered in cosmoline. I've become a bit of a small time collector from watching your channel among others and have managed to aquire a few decent milsurps over the past 3 or 4 years. Oh hey Chad i have a 1943 Long Branch Enfield, my first milsurp since i was a teenager.
I walked into a local gun shop recently. They have a Mosin 91/30 with matching numbers, bayonet, and a Hex receiver. Priced at $599!!!! I almost laughed in the shop owners face. smh
$199 is more like it.
Lol they day has finally come that a Mosin costs more than an AR-15.
Wow I only payed 200 for a m91 a few months back
I did a little research and that Mosin is selling for $300-$350 online. So I don’t know where this particular shop got that price from.
Michael Stone could the receiver have been antique made before 1899?
Oh god....I want to say I think I have seen with my own eyes the "Puma Mauser" at a gun show at some point.
I got fooled by a Jungle Carbine. I didn't do my research and I got too excited when I saw it, bought it on impulse and now I'm stuck with it. I think it's pretty funny you guys used it as an example.
I love the fact that somewhere someone bought that Puma Mauser and see this episode going huh maybe I should have had haggled more.
Super insightful video, thanks Chad and Eric.
My old man used to have an issued M-91/24 that had quite a large blood stain seeped into the wood, not sure whether something like that would have added or taken away from the rifle.
I was in India, and those Enfields are still in service.
Good seeing you BOTH.
I had been told that the .410 Enfields were called "foraging pieces" and were made the gathering of game for the company stew pot. The prison guard thing makes sense though.
Kudos for shooting every gun you own. As it should be. Museum pieces belong in museums. But older guns that are in good condition should be used!
Chad, you are the funniest guy when you get all worked up!
For a Martini H in the UK Condition is absolutely king anything above 'as found' is at least £600+ oh and if your thinking but I've seen many for less those are probably ones converted to .303 or .22 even Irish constabulary or foreign examples but original British .450/577 are a lot of money
Ian is the gun jesus
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You should do a video on your top prize firearms that are the key pieces of your collection. Just a thought. Keep up the awesome work guys.
In most cases condition, provenance and rarity determine value. Unfortunately how many times has someone brought you a gun thinking that Grandpa's well used gun, of a common brand and model thought it was worth what a mint condition version is worth. This is particularly true when they have a common caliber/gauge while the top dollar versions are in a fairly rare caliber or with unusual sights or other features.
Some dude I have been seeing at gunshows for over a year has not been able to sale a 7.62x39 Bakelite magazine. He has it priced at $200 when I can go home and buy 5 of the same kind for that price.
Nice episode. Thanks.
I've learned a bunch of stuff about guns from yall..keep up the good work
I wish all Military surplus rifles and pistols would be more available. Even the good ole SKS in the box :-)
I see that Negan came to pay a visit and didn't make it out alive. Great work.
One side note to condition is provenance. That beat up Chinese SKS could have its value increased 4-5 times if it has LEGITIMATE Viet Nam capture papers.
There are now unscrupulous individuals faking capture papers so be careful. Sometimes a historical gun can have legitimate paperwork and still be a fake. For example, Jessie James' mom used to get beat up hand guns that she would sell as a 'gun Jessie carried' compete with signed note. Some were made years after Jessie shot. Additionally, even participants in an event, suffering from fading memory can give incorrect provenance as in case with the misidentified Remington semi-auto that supposedly shot Bonnie and Clyde.
Anyway what that particular firearm experienced, if legitimate and connected to a person or theatre of operation, increases value to many collectors.
Its funny you say drop a round down the muzzle if it eats it dont buy it. My friend bought a 1911 with a stainless steel match barrel it eat a round up to the case on the muzzle but i can shoot 14 rounds in a 2in circle at 20 yards
That only applies to guns that have not been counterbored...
Most match grade barrels are counter bored, so perfectly normal in that regard. By the way, tell your friend, nice grouping.
Many .303 Enfields that had a worn barrel got remanufactured in to .308 caliber for the civilian market.
Hey guys once again a great subject. Thanks!!!
I agree, if I can't shoot it I don't want it, I hope to be able to wear out a barrel some day!!
A certain gun channel recently teased us with a short clip of what appears to be a genuine M1903 Air Service Rifle....I hope it doesn't have a Puma on it.
Hitler only owned two Walther semi-automatic pistols--that he carried. There was another scrolled presentation pistol given him, but it was put to the side and never used.
*ATTENTION* TH-cam is putting ads for "Everytown For Gun Safety" in front of gun channels videos.
TX Yankee Yup, I've seen it last night. Unreal.
lol
My gun gripe is i been looking for a sks in the original wooden stock and i finally found one but who ever owned it did all kinds of stupid shit to it. They tried to turn it into a a modern day rifel with scope plastic stock and 30 rnd mag. It didnt look like a sks should look like. It cost me a small fortune to find the stuff like wood stock cleaning kit and original 10 rnd mag.
I own a Ishapore 1948 Lee Enfield No.1 Mk.3* 303 British with matching numbers except the magazine is a different number but it is a great rifle and I used it to deer hunt with. I would like to find a No.4 Mk.1 to go with my No.1 Mk.3
I love this channel.
Have Dremel make Puma!! That is priceless!!!
Ive seen crap like that at gun shows before, and the guy is dead set and convinced its worth some insane sum because of it. "its trench art!" or some other BS like that.
I really don't understand the hate that This channel has received. They have been a long member of the online firearms community for YEARS with good service to our causes. Ignoring their shooting videos and 5 guns videos, their 100+ Gun Gripes videos are one of the best content of the gun community on this website. Whether or not they had some expensive sponsorships 3 years ago does not take away from what these guys have made. Also, R.I.P. Barry..
Just leave it by the curb where it belongs. That tool just likes to stir up trouble for views, thats all there is to it. He goes after bigger channels starting shit all the time.
We know this, and all of Eric's true fans do too. Thats good enough right?
Jackson Fortune lol welcome to the new millennium. where a differernce of opinion or constructive criticism = hate.
Because some gunowners out there would love to get rid of the NRA in order to remove the only presence that pro-gun people have in the courts and legislature to you know... help gun rights
I was never a huge fan of this channel even when Barry was there, but he made it watchable. I've always took this channel's reviews with a grain of salt because they never were actual reviews, just showcasing products like hickok45.
End of the day, they chose to support the reprehensible actions of the NRA. The very same organization we donate to PROTECT our gun rights and they tried selling us out at a moment's notice...and they're trying to get us to donate more money to the organization that cheated us.
The NRA doesn't hold all that much power. All they are is a overpriced dog whistle that swoops in for the glory. Gun owners are exceptionally politically active. The NRA wanted NOTHING to do with the Heller case...but certainly reap the benefits.
Rusty Shackleford You talk about the NRA like its some shadowy underworld figure hellbent on world domination. The NRA is made up of people, millions of americams actually. So it doesnt matter how you feel about the NRA, your not a leftist, stop showcasing your feelings like one. The NRA represents millions of gun owners in America, and it was their members who voiced the opinion that bumb stocks were sacrificial. If the NRA would have got negative feedback on bumpstock bans, they wouldn't have pursued that option. And any serious firearms enthusiast doesn't waste their money on bumpstocks. The NRA does what its members allow. So millions of gun owners sat on their asses and did nothing while this happened. Stop blaming the NRA. Its the people who make up that organization that allowed bumpstocks to potentially be banned
i laughed so hard at the end when chad was talking about the puma LOL
I went to one gun show, saw the prices, and have never been back to one.
I'll keep an eye out for that broomhandle!LOL!!!
What book or sources would be helpful to learn about values and conditions or historical rifles? Would love to learn more about Mausers and Enfields.
My local pawnshop wants $1100. For a Mauser that was converted to 30-06 and was cut to be a sportier. It is beat up. I looked at the guy behind the counter and said you will never get that price.
Eric and Chad, Thanks for naming other channels that you guys like. I was not subscribed to any of them. I changed that.
Thank you for supporting them! They are good people! I’ve conversed with many of them here and there
Never in my life i will understand collectors that do not shoot.
If i already spend a lot of money for those toys i of course want to shoot it, trying to get familiar with that, like with my old chile Mauser
Always 5 star videos !
this is a good gripe so far
Actually, most of the work done on the Trapdoor isn't bad, but you have to keep in mind, most of that work was probably done at a time when those guns were next to worthless. Go through some of the old gun mags from the 50's and the 60's and they were selling guns like that in mint condition for $15-$20 and even Mausers and M1's for under $50 each. So yeah it sucks to see it but when it was done, the gun was not worth what it is now mint. I have a Swede Mauser that was cut down many years ago, they're still not worth more than $500-$600 today in most cases for the standard M96 which is what this is. So to me, well, it's worth it as a great shooter.
Eric/Chad, on the subject of shooting everything in your collection, how would one go about validating that the weapon they have inherited is safe to shoot? I have an old Sharps Carbine (.52 cal original civil war) that's been in my family forever and I'd LOVE to take it to the range, but I worry about degrading its value. Should I take it somewhere to have the chamber / barrel magnafluxed for fractures?
Hey Eric, do a review/shooting video of the Norwegian Kammerlader!!