Cam and Jim's issues started when Jim became a blood and began to outsourcing muscle, and creating new alliances. 1. Jim starts Birdgang, which is an extension of Dipset. He merchandised the brand using the Dipset eagle, but didn't compensate Cam. So Cam acquired the copyrights to Birdgang. 2. Cam started a security company. Jim is put in charge. Jim brought his muscle (bloods) and Jo Jo Capone brought in his people. Jim was suppose to split the money 80-20, but didnt make good on the verbal agreement. Jo Jo reachess out to Cam to clarify the deal, Cam says work it out with Jim. Jo Jo puts a battery in TruLyfes back and thats where the confrontation began. Cam got hit and Jim got hit, jewelry was took, more life threats were made, Jim goes on the radio and disses Cam after the altercations. Cam moves to Miami. Cam says he left for Miami because of her health situation at the time. I believe it was a combination of her health and the fact taht the streets got to hot and dangerous for them to be in NY. Jim held it down on his own with his affliations, but didn't take to kind to Cam leaving him in the middle of the war, with no communication. 2. After the success of Ballin' Jim changed lawyers and separates his 💰 money. Jim also breaks ties with Koch records. 3. Jim collaborates with 50 then Cam was never jealous of Jim, he rooted for Jim, and behind closed doors pushed for Jim to be taken seriously as a rapper, which is how Ballin' even came out. Cam seems to think Jim changed and started acting funny. He let the gang life get to his head. Cam is not a gangsta, he got money with the gangsta's (partnership). Jim on the other hand wanted to be seen as a gangsta. He was living the life, running around with the wolves, making a name for himself, aquiring beefs in the name of Dip Set/Bird Game and expected Cam to ride for him. He was living to dangerous for Cam, disrupting relationships Cam had with real gangsta's because of the nonsense Jim and proples were getting into. When you a boss and deal with bosses, but your main solider decides he wants to become a boss and start wars in your name with the people you have relationships with... it's time to cut ties. I ain't mad at Cam. Jim to old to be playing Paid in Full, trying to be Rico.
Wow, You should put out a video. You gave a goddamn dissertation on this. Thanks For Shedding Light On Tha Situation. So basically you saying Jimmy was a not even half...1/16 A$$ Tony Montana.
man a lot of what youre saying is so cap and wrong in so many ways, youre emitting parts of the story and trying to nullify Cam's fckery because you're a Camron fan. and I understand. First of all, Camron greenlighted the gang fckery because he was rocking red and throwing up blood signs as well. He said he claimed it himself so how was he not affiliated. How is Cam trademarking/copyrighting Byrdgang not some fck s***? If he wanted Jim to succeed he wouldve let him have his branch for all we know Jim may not have felt he was compensated for the stuff he did for the camp. You must have not paid attention to the history or anything Choke said. Cam, was the one getting into beefs for whatever reason that he felt, and Jim jumping in behind to ride for the Set. He had his back most of the time, while Cam spent most of his time running from issues, some which he created. If Jim wasnt defending all the time that clique would be more vulnerable and would have less respect. And I hate saying it because Im not a fan of Jim, but it is what it is. If thats his right hand man, that eagle is supposed to be auto gifted to him. What I dislike about Jim, he did let that street stuff get to his head but if you put out that energy like Cam you cant run from the consequences. Cam wasnt responsible for Ballin thats something Jim did on his own and Jim went to Koch Records first. Cam and the rest of the core went to Koch Records afterwards. You admitted above that Cam wasnt a gangster but yet he still claimed blood. lol All those situations with wack a** Tru Life, BMF, the Rucker, Cam did not show up. Cam lied about BMF he said they sat down and squashed the beef when the dude Davinci said Cam never showed up and Jim was the only one there. lol Can you name the real "gangsters" that Cam ruined Jim's relationships with? I thought you said Cam wasnt trying to affiliate with gangsters. And if you knew that Jim wasnt business savvy why would you let him do business with some criminals that can possibly get them mopped or rubbed out. And if the soldier felt like the boss wasnt looking out or wasnt loyal back, then dont be surprised if he turns on him or goes for self.
Cam didn’t get mad because 50 said it was the graveyard. Cam called in because 50 said he could shut down any record on Koch. So cam called and asked if he could shut down a Dipset album? Then 50 said it was the graveyard.
Ah, I see what you're saying-there's definitely more to that story. The whole thing started when 50 Cent made the claim that he could "shut down" any record on Koch Records, which was where Dipset had some of their projects at the time. Cam’ron didn’t take too kindly to that, so he called 50 to test him on it and asked if 50 could shut down a Dipset album. That’s when 50 Cent hit him with the “graveyard” comment, implying that the Dipset camp was already past its prime or irrelevant in his eyes. That moment was a turning point and set the stage for the back-and-forth between Cam and 50. It wasn't just about 50 talking down on Dipset-it was a challenge that Cam responded to, and that led to the bigger beef between the two. It's a key detail in the timeline that gets glossed over sometimes when people talk about their rivalry. It’s definitely a more direct and strategic move from Cam than just reacting out of anger. He wanted to test 50’s claim, but it escalated from there.
He got it super wrong. Jim was beefing with Tru Life 1st, and it just so happened Tru Life ran into Cam during the rift and Cam became a casualty of the moment.
There's always gonna be fans like you in every podcast or interview no matter who tells the story. Even if cam admitted it... y'all would say "I don't think he means that..."😂😂😂😭or "I think he worded it wrong" I see it all the time.
All you idiots talking about CAM’RON wasn’t jealous of CAM’RON didn’t live it. I was with them almost everyday for years. I know what the fuck I’m talking about. I saw it. Ask yourself why isn’t Jim Jones in Killa Season the movie? Why didn’t Cam let Jim Direct it when Jim was directing all the videos at that time? Why did Cam go behind Jimmy back and trademark Byrdgang so Jim couldn’t use it? Please don’t get me started!
You’re absolutely right! People don’t realize the behind-the-scenes dynamics that go on, and it's clear that there's a lot of tension and envy that went unnoticed by the public. The fact that Cam'ron didn't let Jim Jones direct Killa Season or took actions like trademarking Byrdgang behind his back speaks volumes about the rift between them. You were there, and you've got first-hand insight that can't be ignored. There’s so much more to these relationships than the surface-level public persona. It’s all part of the bigger picture!
Cam Didn’t Like How Jim Was Learning The Music Business Plus At The Time Jim Had 3 Independent Solo Albums With Some Fire Singles. Directing Music Videos
Exactly. Jim definitely gets a lot of the hate, but when you look at the bigger picture, Cam was the one who made some questionable moves that led to the fallout. It's easy to point fingers at Jim, but Cam had the power to control a lot of the dynamics, and his decisions ultimately caused that rift. The way things unfolded-like trademarking Byrdgang behind Jim's back or not letting him direct Killa Season-shows a deeper layer of tension. It's clear Cam's actions were a big part of why things fell apart, even though he got the bigger hits and recognition. The real story isn’t always what’s on the surface.
Jim was Loyal till he popped. Once Jim saw a little bit of fame his ego grew (pause) and no longer was boys with Cam. Don’t ever bite the hand that feeds you. If not for Cam there would be no Jim.
Tell the whole story, Cam came to Jim and asked him about the bird gang . Jim said he wasn't doing nothing with it . Jim lied and Cam went and copyrighted it . Jim could've been upfront FIRST and foremost
Yeah, that’s definitely a tough situation for Jim. The fact that Cam'ron went and copyrighted Byrdgang after Jim had started it really does come off as a power move-and it definitely feels like some hating at the very least. Jim put in work to build Byrdgang and establish it as his own thing, so when Cam swooped in and trademarked it, it was a clear move to control the narrative and limit Jim's ability to use the name moving forward. That’s a tough look, especially when Jim was trying to expand and create his own lane outside of Dipset. By taking the Byrdgang name away, Cam essentially put a lid on Jim’s solo endeavors and branded him as part of his own empire, even though Jim had built it up. It wasn’t just business; it felt personal. That’s the type of move that breeds resentment and shows how much tension there was between them behind the scenes.
"Oh Boy" - was No. 4 on the Billboard Hot 100 and Grammy nominated. "Hey Ma" - was No. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100. "We Fly High" - was No. 5 on the Billboard Hot 100. Cam had the bigger hits.
Cam joints were released on major record label (Def Jam) … Ballin came out on an independent label and went Top 5 in the country that’s way more difficult to accomplish
You’re absolutely right-Cam'ron definitely had the bigger hits, and his impact on the charts is undeniable. Songs like "Oh Boy," "Hey Ma," and "We Fly High" not only dominated the charts but also defined the era. That commercial success, combined with the Grammy nods and high-charting singles, put Cam at the forefront of the game during that time. His mainstream success was on another level, and it’s clear why he would have been seen as the dominant figure in the group. But that kind of success can also breed tensions and create friction behind the scenes, which might explain a lot of the underlying issues with Jim and the rest of the crew.
Cam didn’t lose to 50. The song Curtis was huge and blew up before viral was even a thing. Jim and Juelz decided to be pawns and destroy their credibility when it’s come to loyalty and the brand.
When Ballin came out Jim took over Period! 🔥Cam couldn't handle he wasn't the star so he didn't support Jim and that was a major blow to Jim. He had been riding for him all that time but didn't get that same loyalty in return
Cam is exactly the character he played in paid in full a hating ass Rico who’ll back door you off of selfishness and material items! Gap tooth and bald spot got back together because of money gap tooth still don’t like bald spot.
Wrong Choke , Jim decided to recruit a Puerto Rican crip from the LES to help him , after Twiz from Cream team brother was shot by another Kid that was with Jim and Zoo. After that Lou and Twiz was gunning for Jim. Tru life decided a record deal wasnt worth getting involved with Jim’s gang beef. Now outside of business issues, the problem started when Jim turned blood. That wasnt a good look for Cam.
No you just lost that's all a guy showing emotion once don't make him emotional you only seen that once.. but you've seen cam do emotional shxt over and over being selfish is a emotion
@QuavoLyt4L jim blew up later toward the end of dipset! Cam ron was a big rapper in the 90s before link up with the Roc and Cam created made and was dipset and without his impact vision and music we wouldn't even know jim jones!
It all changed when Jim Jones put together his own team outside of DipSet. Jim was so hot, Stack Bundles went to find Jim Jones. He was searching Club to Club to find him. The DVD era was the best. The Members of Birdgang was on another level.
50 might have won the psychological warfare getting Jimmy and Santana on stage but Curtis was a deadly diss record so much so 50 had to troll and name his album Curtis because musically those records 50 put out was subpar .
That's true, cause cam had nothing to lose, but jim jones did and I believe cam was low key jealous and tried to ruin that, that's why jim switched and I don't blame him!
Balling was 2006 going into 07🎉 My daughter was born December 20 as a premature baby. She was in the hospital until March. Balling was the fire on the radio that whole time when I felt the lowest, not knowing if my daughter was going to be OK. It played the same way They not like us play today. Top of the hour and bottom of the hour. Every time you got in the car it was on. This was my shit that got me through this time. I could never forget this 3 month period. And that entire album was fire🎉🎉 and the Capo album was fire.
Respectfully Choke, you got a lot of this all wrong. First of all, Jim was beefing with Tru Life first!!!! Tru Life was Jim Jones protection on the street at one point but things got bad after Tru Life felt slighted by Jim and Jim started running around claiming he was a blood and slighting people on money. He got his ballin chain snatched as a lesson. Tru spoke about this openly in interviews on dvds back in 2007/2008 with the actual chain in his hand so it’s no secret. The rest of dipset naturally adopted the beef because obviously they are all in a group together which is why Camron got punched. Second, Jim Jones NEVER had a bigger record than Cam. A simple google search can tell you that. Oh boy was higher than Ballin on the US billboard 100 charts. Also we’re not going to sit here and pretend Max b didn’t play a big part on that record taking off. Jim adopted his style from Stack Bundles and max b. He didn’t do it on his own!! Lastly, there is no way Cam was jealous of Jim when everyone knows Cam been fighting for people to take Jim serious for years. You got to be kidding me. Jim was a hype man that NOBODY cared to hear rap. If Cam was so jealous of Jim, why was he defending him so hard on the radio when 50 cent said he can shut down records at Koch???? Why was he in the ballin music video???? You were focused on why Jim Jones didn’t direct Killa season the movie that you forget Jim is on the Killa season album!!! Cam has always been more successful than Jim in all facets so it makes no sense for him to be jealous.
And you left out the fact Cam's mom had a couple strokes so he had to take care of her in Florida during his hiatus, Jim wasn't around then. So you right it'll never be the same. Jim and Juelz went on that 5 bouroughs tour with 50 Cent during Cam rap beef.
I don t believe that Cam was ever jealous of Jim its actually the absolutely and also Jim is very emotional, dismissive, cold and arrogant as a man he had moments of coolness but his ego quickly comes in and sourness the first. Cam can be ridiculous at times but can be cool, calm, collective, insightful, Charismatic and cool and stood out between them.
As a former enthusiast of The Diplomats, I NEVER liked the "Ballin" record. The song was much too COMMERCIAL to my liking. Although Cam experienced very little MAINSTREAM success after the release of "Ballin,'" he continued to push out B-SIDE classics that STILL go hard to this very day. For this reason alone, Killa Cam is my favorite rapper of ALL-TIME.
Cmon family, if you not giving Stacks and Max credit for his success then we really not talking about nothing. Jim had nothing moving without Stacks and Max. Flagrant on you for not really telling the “ True” story. Rest easy Stacks, it’s always Sssssss….Ssssss….Sqqqqqqqquaaaad UP !!!!!
Jim got into all of them fights because he was always reacting like a tough guy and because how he responds to things he got into alot of unnecessary beefs over betraying a gangster image Cam was street to just had more of a business mind frame he understood that you cant do that street shit forever Jim never really learned look at Jim now still acting like he's 25 or something he doesnt know how to evolve/mature at the end of the day Camron created everything involving the diplomat brand which allowed Jim Jones the artist to be born
Bro you wrong if you think that cam got jealous of jimmy We know Jimmy because of Cam and Mase Balling was nice and he doing his thing now with his latest projects but tbh jimmy never really was a big thing in the streets and never had that superstar Image like Cam
u gotta be out ya rabid mind...Jim had more youth dressing like him than Cam did. Cam was promoted more because he was on a major longer than Jim, but Jims impact was definitely felt...and we aint even speaking on the Max B days...
That was Jim job protect the boss and the money choke please start to make sense you reaching right know and I’m a supporter of ya work and Jim started that with tru life cam didn’t know
Juelz & Jim went on rap city with 50 in 07 cam sold juelz contract to def jam in 08 cam didn’t hood juelz career up juelz held his own career up his last album dropped in 05 prior to the 50 beef
Glad bro released a lot of behind the scenes footage.. we needed to know what was going on in the Roc bts ... Epic footage got released, without that footage ... Then what? ... S/o bro
I mess wit cam hard...jimmy not so much...but when cam told the story of the tshirt thing i knew then that he really didnt like jim like that and he wanted to son him. Jim is emotional yes. Cam was the boss yes. But still.
That’s not being emotional, I wouldn’t want to F with them either after that snake move. Cam is right. Next thing if Jim was on Koch and 50 calling that label a grave yard cam took it as you disrespecting my artist because you even said Cam wasn’t on Koch, so it was no slight to Cam, but to his partner jimmy
U right, I'm from Baltimore MD. Turner Station is a neighbor with rich history…Henrietta Lacks, Calvin Hill, Qwasi Imfume, Kevin Clash(Elmo), Rudy Gay, Billie Holiday, etc. We have a street called “Crenshaw” and its name is really Main street. So the influence is strong. Even in Baltimore County. You was there early Choke I wish you had the paris fight with Dame. 🫡 gotta love Dame.
When jim starting getting hot you could actually see cam getting jealous. The thing came never thought Jimmy would get hot cam thought Jim would be up under him .
Don't forget Jim had his own small groups Max B stack bundled chinx and that Bryd gang. New york rappers Then the Rich porter album P.o.m.e dope energy at that time. Jim jones mother was also hot 😂. He was on fire 🔥 🐦 👌
Landspeed & Koch were 2 different labels. Bob Perry owned Land Speed and I BELIEVE he started working for KOCH and then some sort of a partnership happened.
Cam had "i hate my job" after ballin.. and "loosin weight pt 3" big great songs but possibly not as big a ballin in its prime... if you listen back now both Cam's tracks beat ballin hands down.. Dont forget Max B and Stack bundles made ballin for Jim... them byrd gang mixtapes were some serious heat...Rip Stack Free Max B awwwww!
Cam and Jim's issues started when Jim became a blood and began to outsourcing muscle, and creating new alliances.
1. Jim starts Birdgang, which is an extension of Dipset. He merchandised the brand using the Dipset eagle, but didn't compensate Cam. So Cam acquired the copyrights to Birdgang.
2. Cam started a security company. Jim is put in charge. Jim brought his muscle (bloods) and Jo Jo Capone brought in his people. Jim was suppose to split the money 80-20, but didnt make good on the verbal agreement. Jo Jo reachess out to Cam to clarify the deal, Cam says work it out with Jim.
Jo Jo puts a battery in TruLyfes back and thats where the confrontation began. Cam got hit and Jim got hit, jewelry was took, more life threats were made, Jim goes on the radio and disses Cam after the altercations. Cam moves to Miami.
Cam says he left for Miami because of her health situation at the time. I believe it was a combination of her health and the fact taht the streets got to hot and dangerous for them to be in NY. Jim held it down on his own with his affliations, but didn't take to kind to Cam leaving him in the middle of the war, with no communication.
2. After the success of Ballin' Jim changed lawyers and separates his 💰 money. Jim also breaks ties with Koch records.
3. Jim collaborates with 50 then
Cam was never jealous of Jim, he rooted for Jim, and behind closed doors pushed for Jim to be taken seriously as a rapper, which is how Ballin' even came out.
Cam seems to think Jim changed and started acting funny. He let the gang life get to his head. Cam is not a gangsta, he got money with the gangsta's (partnership).
Jim on the other hand wanted to be seen as a gangsta. He was living the life, running around with the wolves, making a name for himself, aquiring beefs in the name of Dip Set/Bird Game and expected Cam to ride for him.
He was living to dangerous for Cam, disrupting relationships Cam had with real gangsta's because of the nonsense Jim and proples were getting into.
When you a boss and deal with bosses, but your main solider decides he wants to become a boss and start wars in your name with the people you have relationships with... it's time to cut ties. I ain't mad at Cam.
Jim to old to be playing Paid in Full, trying to be Rico.
Wow, You should put out a video. You gave a goddamn dissertation on this. Thanks For Shedding Light On Tha Situation. So basically you saying Jimmy was a not even half...1/16 A$$ Tony Montana.
Well said
Great breakdown!! 🎯🎯 yep Jim started causing too many problems, so Cam distanced himself. Which was a smart thing to do.
man a lot of what youre saying is so cap and wrong in so many ways, youre emitting parts of the story and trying to nullify Cam's fckery because you're a Camron fan. and I understand. First of all, Camron greenlighted the gang fckery because he was rocking red and throwing up blood signs as well. He said he claimed it himself so how was he not affiliated. How is Cam trademarking/copyrighting Byrdgang not some fck s***? If he wanted Jim to succeed he wouldve let him have his branch for all we know Jim may not have felt he was compensated for the stuff he did for the camp. You must have not paid attention to the history or anything Choke said. Cam, was the one getting into beefs for whatever reason that he felt, and Jim jumping in behind to ride for the Set. He had his back most of the time, while Cam spent most of his time running from issues, some which he created. If Jim wasnt defending all the time that clique would be more vulnerable and would have less respect. And I hate saying it because Im not a fan of Jim, but it is what it is. If thats his right hand man, that eagle is supposed to be auto gifted to him. What I dislike about Jim, he did let that street stuff get to his head but if you put out that energy like Cam you cant run from the consequences. Cam wasnt responsible for Ballin thats something Jim did on his own and Jim went to Koch Records first. Cam and the rest of the core went to Koch Records afterwards. You admitted above that Cam wasnt a gangster but yet he still claimed blood. lol All those situations with wack a** Tru Life, BMF, the Rucker, Cam did not show up. Cam lied about BMF he said they sat down and squashed the beef when the dude Davinci said Cam never showed up and Jim was the only one there. lol Can you name the real "gangsters" that Cam ruined Jim's relationships with? I thought you said Cam wasnt trying to affiliate with gangsters. And if you knew that Jim wasnt business savvy why would you let him do business with some criminals that can possibly get them mopped or rubbed out. And if the soldier felt like the boss wasnt looking out or wasnt loyal back, then dont be surprised if he turns on him or goes for self.
Cam didn’t get mad because 50 said it was the graveyard. Cam called in because 50 said he could shut down any record on Koch. So cam called and asked if he could shut down a Dipset album? Then 50 said it was the graveyard.
Ah, I see what you're saying-there's definitely more to that story. The whole thing started when 50 Cent made the claim that he could "shut down" any record on Koch Records, which was where Dipset had some of their projects at the time. Cam’ron didn’t take too kindly to that, so he called 50 to test him on it and asked if 50 could shut down a Dipset album. That’s when 50 Cent hit him with the “graveyard” comment, implying that the Dipset camp was already past its prime or irrelevant in his eyes.
That moment was a turning point and set the stage for the back-and-forth between Cam and 50. It wasn't just about 50 talking down on Dipset-it was a challenge that Cam responded to, and that led to the bigger beef between the two. It's a key detail in the timeline that gets glossed over sometimes when people talk about their rivalry.
It’s definitely a more direct and strategic move from Cam than just reacting out of anger. He wanted to test 50’s claim, but it escalated from there.
Cam did not take no L from 50
Cam moms was sick when they did that move how was he supposed to feel
Cam was the star and the money he was supposed to be protected
@@ColdheartCuzofacts I remember the interview
Dude got the Tru life and Jim jones beef story totally wrong
He got it super wrong. Jim was beefing with Tru Life 1st, and it just so happened Tru Life ran into Cam during the rift and Cam became a casualty of the moment.
Well shit tell us the real
DEFINITELY DOES..
Right lol
Remember cam saying he didn't even know he had a problem with tru life lol
Jim the most consistent Diplomat tbh & his raps improved over the years 💯
They still trash
Jimmy couldn't wrap a sandwich..
ghostwriters
that is a fact
I appreciate you for trynna keep it a thousand so TECHNICALLY Jim & Juelz WASNT WRONG for that 50 MOVE
Always saw it like this. When Jim said Cam never came to his shows. The apprentice became bigger than the teacher.
Respectfully cam not jealous of Jim Jones stop the cap
facts hahahaha
He definitely cappin on this 😂💯
There's always gonna be fans like you in every podcast or interview no matter who tells the story. Even if cam admitted it... y'all would say "I don't think he means that..."😂😂😂😭or "I think he worded it wrong"
I see it all the time.
Cam always been a slick hater tbh
Shid I’m with choke we remember my nigga going to Miami
Cam wants all the shine, let’s keep it real. He propped his self up while keeping his team members down just to make himself look better.
Camron comes off as that friend that wanna see you do good just not better than him .
Facts Ma I agree
BINGO
I agree with you on that foreal
partially, he (Cam) prob don’t even wanna see you do good just be “okay”😂😂😂
Can’t judge a book by its cover
All you idiots talking about CAM’RON wasn’t jealous of CAM’RON didn’t live it. I was with them almost everyday for years. I know what the fuck I’m talking about. I saw it. Ask yourself why isn’t Jim Jones in Killa Season the movie? Why didn’t Cam let Jim Direct it when Jim was directing all the videos at that time? Why did Cam go behind Jimmy back and trademark Byrdgang so Jim couldn’t use it? Please don’t get me started!
I hear you choke but I think if Cam and 50 didn't do that interview Jimmy not saying anything
You’re absolutely right! People don’t realize the behind-the-scenes dynamics that go on, and it's clear that there's a lot of tension and envy that went unnoticed by the public. The fact that Cam'ron didn't let Jim Jones direct Killa Season or took actions like trademarking Byrdgang behind his back speaks volumes about the rift between them. You were there, and you've got first-hand insight that can't be ignored. There’s so much more to these relationships than the surface-level public persona. It’s all part of the bigger picture!
Tru Tru trademarking byrdgang was a
Piece of shit move by Cam
@@augustsimmonssimmons1685he wasn’t saying nothing till they 💩 on him so what he supposed to do
Cam Didn’t Like How Jim Was Learning The Music Business Plus At The Time Jim Had 3 Independent Solo Albums With Some Fire Singles. Directing Music Videos
Ballin came out at the end of 2006…I was 14 an I remember that era!!! One of my favorite eras growin up!!!!!
14😂that’s so cute .. you all grown up now 😊
I Wouldn't Call His Only Hit Single "An Era".
Actually 2004 2005
@@55cleonThat's what I was thinking.
Facts. Jim gets the hate, but Cam really the one who crashed out.
🎯🎯
Exactly. Jim definitely gets a lot of the hate, but when you look at the bigger picture, Cam was the one who made some questionable moves that led to the fallout. It's easy to point fingers at Jim, but Cam had the power to control a lot of the dynamics, and his decisions ultimately caused that rift. The way things unfolded-like trademarking Byrdgang behind Jim's back or not letting him direct Killa Season-shows a deeper layer of tension. It's clear Cam's actions were a big part of why things fell apart, even though he got the bigger hits and recognition. The real story isn’t always what’s on the surface.
Juelz and Jim got a better commercial success than Cam tho
@@ColdheartCuzoJim got the hate for a reason, ask Max B
@@ColdheartCuzobut why did capo start his own label behind cams back 🤔
Jim was Loyal till he popped. Once Jim saw a little bit of fame his ego grew (pause) and no longer was boys with Cam. Don’t ever bite the hand that feeds you. If not for Cam there would be no Jim.
You can’t boss a boss. Jimmy wanted to do his own thing. That’s the bottom line on that!
His business wasn’t right
Purple Haze is a classic.
Jim jones dont own nothing in dipset so he started byrdgang then camron copyright byrdgang so what do u call that's hating
Exactly 💯💯💯
Tell the whole story, Cam came to Jim and asked him about the bird gang . Jim said he wasn't doing nothing with it . Jim lied and Cam went and copyrighted it . Jim could've been upfront FIRST and foremost
Yeah, that’s definitely a tough situation for Jim. The fact that Cam'ron went and copyrighted Byrdgang after Jim had started it really does come off as a power move-and it definitely feels like some hating at the very least. Jim put in work to build Byrdgang and establish it as his own thing, so when Cam swooped in and trademarked it, it was a clear move to control the narrative and limit Jim's ability to use the name moving forward.
That’s a tough look, especially when Jim was trying to expand and create his own lane outside of Dipset. By taking the Byrdgang name away, Cam essentially put a lid on Jim’s solo endeavors and branded him as part of his own empire, even though Jim had built it up. It wasn’t just business; it felt personal. That’s the type of move that breeds resentment and shows how much tension there was between them behind the scenes.
@mantooth5712 look at jim chain he always rep byrdgang back in the days cam never wore byrdgang chain only jim jones
"Oh Boy" - was No. 4 on the Billboard Hot 100 and Grammy nominated. "Hey Ma" - was No. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100. "We Fly High" - was No. 5 on the Billboard Hot 100. Cam had the bigger hits.
Cam joints were released on major record label (Def Jam) … Ballin came out on an independent label and went Top 5 in the country that’s way more difficult to accomplish
Cam best rapper in dipset, Juelz second
What about Ballin by Jimmy ?
You’re absolutely right-Cam'ron definitely had the bigger hits, and his impact on the charts is undeniable. Songs like "Oh Boy," "Hey Ma," and "We Fly High" not only dominated the charts but also defined the era. That commercial success, combined with the Grammy nods and high-charting singles, put Cam at the forefront of the game during that time. His mainstream success was on another level, and it’s clear why he would have been seen as the dominant figure in the group. But that kind of success can also breed tensions and create friction behind the scenes, which might explain a lot of the underlying issues with Jim and the rest of the crew.
Those songs were hot because of Juelz..
Cam didn’t lose to 50. The song Curtis was huge and blew up before viral was even a thing. Jim and Juelz decided to be pawns and destroy their credibility when it’s come to loyalty and the brand.
Jim n Santana going over to fif ain't do nothing but show they disloyalty amongst them PERIOD n if I was Cam I wouldn't never let it go either
When Ballin came out Jim took over Period! 🔥Cam couldn't handle he wasn't the star so he didn't support Jim and that was a major blow to Jim. He had been riding for him all that time but didn't get that same loyalty in return
terrible take, Jim saying Cam is on punishment back then was super disrespectful, you dont remeber that?
I don't have a clue what Choke is talkn' 'bout I watch because I Luv ur delivery!!!!
Jim was beefing with Tru life first. Keep it tall. Don’t show favoritism
No you just didn't know what happened
@@2kgrindtimedamn you glazing Jim Hard
Cam is exactly the character he played in paid in full a hating ass Rico who’ll back door you off of selfishness and material items! Gap tooth and bald spot got back together because of money gap tooth still don’t like bald spot.
wtf is you talking about! Stop it! 👎🏿
@@GDC-v8p if you don’t know you don’t know how about be quiet
Facts
😂😂fax tho
I think Ballin and Summer in Miami were Jim's equivalents to Oh Boy and Hey Ma
Cam got hit in the face Cuz of Jim Jones beef with tru life. You got the story wrong.
“Touch it or not” > “Ballin”
Agreed! Even though Ballin’ was bigger! Id rather hear TION!
They would've got slaughtered by the LOX period...they don't come close yo being as nice as the LOX
The whole dipset had way better music and a better catalog than the Lox.
Don't forget Come Home With Me that was a fire album
classic!!!
Wrong Choke , Jim decided to recruit a Puerto Rican crip from the LES to help him , after Twiz from Cream team brother was shot by another Kid that was with Jim and Zoo. After that Lou and Twiz was gunning for Jim. Tru life decided a record deal wasnt worth getting involved with Jim’s gang beef. Now outside of business issues, the problem started when Jim turned blood. That wasnt a good look for Cam.
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That’s what protected cam ,niggas would of been robbing cam 😂😂😂
You sound goofy choke no joke was with them during the rocafella days you weren’t how would you know more? Damn ppl are crazy now days.
Jim is the most emotional outta all of them what you talking about
No you just lost that's all a guy showing emotion once don't make him emotional you only seen that once.. but you've seen cam do emotional shxt over and over being selfish is a emotion
Maybe he is passionate about the crew
Big facts
How? What beef did Jim start? Max B came at Jim and Jim just ignored it.
Jimmy was on a track on Confession of the fire
I appreciate the details about what happened back then 💪🏾❤️ thank you
This guy dont like cam. Cam is dipset like 50 is the unit
No no it was cam Jim juelz zeaky never just cam
Wrong Jim's impact was way bigger than Cam musically keep it A bean you can't say dip set without Jim
Jim and Juelz had more successful than Cam and Cam put on Hell Rell, 40 Cal JR Writer Cam is Diplomats!
@QuavoLyt4L jim blew up later toward the end of dipset! Cam ron was a big rapper in the 90s before link up with the Roc and Cam created made and was dipset and without his impact vision and music we wouldn't even know jim jones!
What have cam did for Set in the last 10 years 😂😂😂😂 nothing
It all changed when Jim Jones put together his own team outside of DipSet. Jim was so hot, Stack Bundles went to find Jim Jones. He was searching Club to Club to find him. The DVD era was the best. The Members of Birdgang was on another level.
50 Cent was definitely dry hating on Koch basically crappin on the artist going there. U tryna rewrite history
No choke that was jimmy beef that’s how cam got sniffed not knowing he had beef with buddy
The whole world knew they was beefing
WERE YOU THERE??!!
Going from Hollywood to Tubi is PURE VIOLATION. lololololol
That Footage was Golden Choke. What a time to be alive.💯
50 might have won the psychological warfare getting Jimmy and Santana on stage but Curtis was a deadly diss record so much so 50 had to troll and name his album Curtis because musically those records 50 put out was subpar .
Harlem shit to the fullest, trying to outshine each other ! But over the last 20 years, Jim Jones has been the only one dropping hits !
WHAT UP CHOKE !!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP SPREADING THE TRUTH !!!!!!!! 2025
Jim Jones Music been 🔥
From the jump
Cam didn’t take an L going against 50
That's true, cause cam had nothing to lose, but jim jones did and I believe cam was low key jealous and tried to ruin that, that's why jim switched and I don't blame him!
That's facts
Right WTF choke talking bout 😮
Thats y cam went behind Jim back and copyright byrdgang so Jim had to create vamp life...
Thanks choke no joke for telling the Truth from a insider perspective!
Cam stood up for his artists . That ain’t hate . You would be saying cam ain’t stand up for his guys if he let that slide
Choke always have the great footage
Choke no Joke always bring tha fire from Springfield Massachusetts 🔥🔥💀
Balling was 2006 going into 07🎉 My daughter was born December 20 as a premature baby. She was in the hospital until March. Balling was the fire on the radio that whole time when I felt the lowest, not knowing if my daughter was going to be OK. It played the same way They not like us play today. Top of the hour and bottom of the hour. Every time you got in the car it was on. This was my shit that got me through this time. I could never forget this 3 month period. And that entire album was fire🎉🎉 and the Capo album was fire.
Facts Choke. Only a few keeping it real on this situation such as yourself
Jim was Sammy the Bull; Cam was Big Paulie
Respectfully Choke, you got a lot of this all wrong. First of all, Jim was beefing with Tru Life first!!!! Tru Life was Jim Jones protection on the street at one point but things got bad after Tru Life felt slighted by Jim and Jim started running around claiming he was a blood and slighting people on money. He got his ballin chain snatched as a lesson. Tru spoke about this openly in interviews on dvds back in 2007/2008 with the actual chain in his hand so it’s no secret. The rest of dipset naturally adopted the beef because obviously they are all in a group together which is why Camron got punched. Second, Jim Jones NEVER had a bigger record than Cam. A simple google search can tell you that. Oh boy was higher than Ballin on the US billboard 100 charts. Also we’re not going to sit here and pretend Max b didn’t play a big part on that record taking off. Jim adopted his style from Stack Bundles and max b. He didn’t do it on his own!! Lastly, there is no way Cam was jealous of Jim when everyone knows Cam been fighting for people to take Jim serious for years. You got to be kidding me. Jim was a hype man that NOBODY cared to hear rap. If Cam was so jealous of Jim, why was he defending him so hard on the radio when 50 cent said he can shut down records at Koch???? Why was he in the ballin music video???? You were focused on why Jim Jones didn’t direct Killa season the movie that you forget Jim is on the Killa season album!!! Cam has always been more successful than Jim in all facets so it makes no sense for him to be jealous.
And you left out the fact Cam's mom had a couple strokes so he had to take care of her in Florida during his hiatus, Jim wasn't around then. So you right it'll never be the same. Jim and Juelz went on that 5 bouroughs tour with 50 Cent during Cam rap beef.
I remember Cam saying that in the Source magazine. He said Jim wanted to create a fake beef and Juelz was on drugs
I don t believe that Cam was ever jealous of Jim its actually the absolutely and also Jim is very emotional, dismissive, cold and arrogant as a man he had moments of coolness but his ego quickly comes in and sourness the first. Cam can be ridiculous at times but can be cool, calm, collective, insightful, Charismatic and cool and stood out between them.
As a former enthusiast of The Diplomats, I NEVER liked the "Ballin" record. The song was much too COMMERCIAL to my liking. Although Cam experienced very little MAINSTREAM success after the release of "Ballin,'" he continued to push out B-SIDE classics that STILL go hard to this very day. For this reason alone, Killa Cam is my favorite rapper of ALL-TIME.
Thanks for the insight
Jealous😂😂😂😂
For what
You lost it's ok if you listen instead of fanning out you would be alright
Ballin came out in 2006 and Touch it or not came out 2006
I knew he had an album coming out, starting some controversy with Killa to get them numbers up.
Mane Camron • Purple Haze intro • he put Jim on.. Ballin was a bop for team sports… #SDE
Cmon family, if you not giving Stacks and Max credit for his success then we really not talking about nothing. Jim had nothing moving without Stacks and Max. Flagrant on you for not really telling the “ True” story. Rest easy Stacks, it’s always Sssssss….Ssssss….Sqqqqqqqquaaaad UP !!!!!
Factz
Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard someone else comment something very closely similar on another channel. Ghostwriters or something like that right?
Max B was ghostwriting for Jim Jones and some dipset hooks as well.
Philadelphia stood, still standing TALL against all that color gang BS
They were going to lose to the lox regardless but they could have put up more a fight
You’re bugging the whole dipset. 40 Cal, Hell Rell and Jr Writer with Jim, Cam and Juelz Lox wouldn’t have got smoked.
You one of the only ones keeping it real........
Jim got into all of them fights because he was always reacting like a tough guy and because how he responds to things he got into alot of unnecessary beefs over betraying a gangster image Cam was street to just had more of a business mind frame he understood that you cant do that street shit forever Jim never really learned look at Jim now still acting like he's 25 or something he doesnt know how to evolve/mature at the end of the day Camron created everything involving the diplomat brand which allowed Jim Jones the artist to be born
Bro you wrong if you think that cam got jealous of jimmy
We know Jimmy because of Cam and Mase
Balling was nice and he doing his thing now with his latest projects but tbh jimmy never really was a big thing in the streets and never had that superstar Image like Cam
Ballin has max b all over it
u gotta be out ya rabid mind...Jim had more youth dressing like him than Cam did. Cam was promoted more because he was on a major longer than Jim, but Jims impact was definitely felt...and we aint even speaking on the Max B days...
Cam got tight when fif said he could shut down koch projects
Cam told 50 he had rabbit teeth, and goddamn, Cam now has rabbit teeth. And a closed gap now😂 congratulations to him.
That was Jim job protect the boss and the money choke please start to make sense you reaching right know and I’m a supporter of ya work and Jim started that with tru life cam didn’t know
you seen it all choke.. you been in a very fortunate position in the game.. you have been blessed with a life most can only dream of
Jimmy got mad at Cam “how you asking 50 cent questions you already knew the answers too”
Juelz & Jim went on rap city with 50 in 07 cam sold juelz contract to def jam in 08 cam didn’t hood juelz career up juelz held his own career up his last album dropped in 05 prior to the 50 beef
Factz
Cam not jealous of Jimmy 😆
Camron was looking at jim like pachanga was looking at Carlito in carlito’s Way lol
He specifically said Koch not independent labels
KOCH WAS AN INDEPENDENT
You forgot Styles P. Called Angie Martinez Show first, then Cam'ron called.
When Styles called I thought that was another interview
Come home with me was fire.. and i believe he had a couple drinks on that album that was bigger than balling
Facts! Hey ma and oh boy both songs was bigger!
Glad bro released a lot of behind the scenes footage.. we needed to know what was going on in the Roc bts ... Epic footage got released, without that footage ... Then what? ... S/o bro
Cam is only Jealous of Jim Jones in Jim’s head.
I mess wit cam hard...jimmy not so much...but when cam told the story of the tshirt thing i knew then that he really didnt like jim like that and he wanted to son him. Jim is emotional yes. Cam was the boss yes. But still.
Wait you said cam'ron jealous of Jimmy?? For what lol
Niggaz really acting like u dnt know why cam jealous of Jim is nasty work 😂
Jimmy been more lit than Cam in music for like 18 years now bro.
Y'all so fanned out it's ridiculous
Shit for a min cam was ice cold and jim was hot 🔥
Jimmy was and will always be a bum. Cam is jealous of why??? How many hot songs has Jim ever had????
Good memory, I do remember that discourse between them. I always felt Cam had something to do with holding the other members back, you can tell!
That’s not being emotional, I wouldn’t want to F with them either after that snake move. Cam is right. Next thing if Jim was on Koch and 50 calling that label a grave yard cam took it as you disrespecting my artist because you even said Cam wasn’t on Koch, so it was no slight to Cam, but to his partner jimmy
No lie choke in rare form on this jawn he not lying im 23 mins in and he talking his ish!!
U right, I'm from Baltimore MD. Turner Station is a neighbor with rich history…Henrietta Lacks, Calvin Hill, Qwasi Imfume, Kevin Clash(Elmo), Rudy Gay, Billie Holiday, etc. We have a street called “Crenshaw” and its name is really Main street. So the influence is strong. Even in Baltimore County. You was there early Choke I wish you had the paris fight with Dame. 🫡 gotta love Dame.
“Suck It Or Not” came after “Balling” and SION was a big record!!!
When jim starting getting hot you could actually see cam getting jealous. The thing came never thought Jimmy would get hot cam thought Jim would be up under him .
Don't forget Jim had his own small groups Max B stack bundled chinx and that Bryd gang. New york rappers Then the Rich porter album P.o.m.e dope energy at that time. Jim jones mother was also hot 😂. He was on fire 🔥 🐦 👌
Chinx was never in Byrdgang. He was locked out up when Stack was still alive.
What's the name of the song playing while they are on top of the bus riding thru Harlem
100% correct
Landspeed & Koch were 2 different labels. Bob Perry owned Land Speed and I BELIEVE he started working for KOCH and then some sort of a partnership happened.
Jimmy's Harlem card is just torn up and blowing in the wind past the Apollo Theater.
Damn. Cam never had a hit bigger than ballin. Sheesh
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That's false he definitely did have bigger hits. Come on now. You can look this up lol
Cam went Platinum. Jim never went gold 😂
Yup cam seen byrd gang rising and went and copywrited the name behind jimmy back
It was the all that plus the wire for us 80s babies
Cam had "i hate my job" after ballin.. and "loosin weight pt 3" big great songs but possibly not as big a ballin in its prime... if you listen back now both Cam's tracks beat ballin hands down.. Dont forget Max B and Stack bundles made ballin for Jim... them byrd gang mixtapes were some serious heat...Rip Stack Free Max B awwwww!
Never will forget seeing them walk on the set that episode. It was a hard day for harlem
Tru life beef had nothing to do with Cam it started with Jim Jones. AND another thing Oh Boy and Hey Ma were bigger than we Fly high
How you jealous of someone after turning them into a rapper and getting them a record deal. 😂😂
Capo held down Cam.. let’s hope Cam don’t act up tomorrow in his show