Not really. She just wasn't prepared to play along with Reeves' artistic bollocks in pretending 'Superman IV' was some kind of wonderful script....when we all know its the worst of the four.
Margot got certain problems, so do not believe that bullshit. Reeve made this film for higher reasons that money. The movie does not work, but maybe a recut can save certain things, because the best images are in the edition basket. Maybe one day...
Don't count on it. I saw the deleted scenes, for exaple with the first Nuclear Man and the figth that ensues between Superman and him.... it was BAD, REALLY [HORRIBLY] BAD, so bad that it made me grate ful the film was release how it was. It fim was a good idea in theory (Supes ridding the world of Nuclear weapons, so 80s, love it!) BUT poorly executed. If those cheapskate rip-off merchants Cannon had spent the whole $40 million given from Warners instead of spending $17 million, this could have been good!
This was just very poor budgeting from Day 1. I used to wonder why a movie stops filming mid-way through the production.Superman IV is the perfect example of what happens when a studio "keeps filming" in spite of serious financial set-backs. Some "idiot" at Warner Bros. thought: "Superman IV will be a huge hit, no matter how little money we spend to make this film."
The interview asks Christopher Reeve, "Do you think Superman is a sex symbol?" I laughed....only because I remembered what happened in Superman 3 with Superman turning to the "dark side." Then he talked about how in Superman 3, he had stubble and looked roughed up and was a darker Superman. Some women (me included), think that he looked very sexy and edgy. But Superman is about a clean, wholesome image. Now, the man who plays Superman is, of course, very sexy.
"But Superman is about a clean, wholesome image" Not really, only his more modern interpretation that went trough decades of editorials. Just take a look on Action Comics #1 and most early covers (and insides) of Superman featuring comics. Including Fleischer studio cartoons which were made after original Superman. He looks mean and "edgy" for the most of the time and when he doesn't he looks Stoic. Even Lois Lane was scared of him first time (not like in Superman The Movie, but for real) she met Supes in comics. Superman started same way as Batman, and went trough same softened phase (and then back into darker roots,in comics that is). The only difference is that first Superman movie was made after soft phase, while first Batman movie was made when character went back to darkness. But yeah, Chris predicted it right. More than that, I think if accident never happened, and if Donner got another try at making movie in 2000's, we'd get something like comics that he co-wrote with Geoff Johns Superman Last Son, which is a lot more similar to Snyder films than to his own.
*Interviewer:* Why did Christopher come back to do Superman 4? *Christopher:* I wanted do something worth wild and had a good message. *Margot:* Money.
I still can't get over the fact that parts of this movie were filmed in Milton Keynes. Its insane!!! Then a year after filming this Michael Cane and Pierce Brosnan turns up in M.K for the forth protocol and the famous tea room scene from Withnail and I is filmed down the road in Stony Stratford.
It’s hard not to feel for Ms. Kidder in this clip. She wasn’t sugarcoating anything here and in a lot of ways, she was right. Even during the “on-the-set” clip where Reeve is hugging her, she looks unhappy.
Funny, that he does the Clark mannerism of pushing his glasses up and he’s not even wearing them. I wonder if he was playing Clark for awhile that days shoot
Though I do like Margot Kidder's honest the whole 'women in Hollywood get old' attitude she is exhibiting does work. Since Superman: the movie, there has never been a real romantic relationship between Lois and Clark, more like a gawky older brother and the outspoken younger sister who tells him what to do (with the exception of her finding out his secret in part II). One of the aspects I liked in Superman III was the Clark/Lana relationship, somebody who saw Clark's kindness and decency and more attracted Clark than Superman.
That was a big mistake for true messing with the Lois and superman love story... Look at the incredible romantic ending of the Richard donnar version of superman 2..
I think it would be good if they restored the relevant scenes and added updated special effects. Not all deleted scenes made it to the DVD special features.
It's funny listening to them talk about age 30 yrs ago, like 35 is old. Lois is like only a few yrs younger than superman. Christopher reeve thinking he's too old or getting too old, now all the superstar superheroes are starting in their 30s and into their 40s. RDJ was like 45 as iron man.. Ben affleck same age. Now RDJ like 55 and I don't see the problem. Perception has changed, especially in Hollywood. 50 is the new 30.
yes back in the 80s ppl in their 20s/30s were considered full adults and in their late 30s/40s middle aged etc. now ppl in their 20s are still considered pretty much as teens. and 30s is like the way point between childhood and adulthood. 40s is like ok you're an adult now..but not really if you don't wanna be lol. And regarding superman Reeve was only about 24 when he filmed Superman I and about 27 when he did II and about 30 when he did III but he is a complete 'adult' in all those.. in III hes almost like a 45y old in his mannerisms/demeanour etc (as you say RDJ is doing what he did in his late 40s). so by Superman IV hes almost like 'old man' Superman.. it was basically his 'Logan' lol
Chris was 34 and Margot was 38 when part 4 was filmed. A man with a love interest older than him at all is still pretty uncommon in movies. Gwyneth Paltrow is 7 years younger than RDJ. Mariel Hemingway is 9 years younger than Chris. Annette O'Toole, a.k.a. Lana in Superman 3, was just a few months older than Chris. I don't know what other mainstream movies are out there where the female romantic interest is several years older than the male. Lois and Clark in the Superman movies seem to be a rarity in that regard.
Margot was straight brutal here. And I loved it. They went out of their way to play down her looks in this too, which was absurd. If you look up the movie Vanishing Act or her Tab commercials from 1986, both done the same year as this, you will see just how gorgeous and youthful she still was. They purposely made her matronly in this turd of a movie.
Imdb says his pay was $250,000 for the first movie, then $500,000 for the second, $1M for the 3rd and $6M for the last one. Even assuming these numbers to be correct, the total spread out over the 4 movies he made as Superman averages under $2M per picture. Now compare that with Brando's alledged $3,7M + 11,75% of the box office gross profits ($300M for the first movie if I'm not mistaken), and Christopher was basically paid peanuts as the actor who effectively carried the whole thing past the first 45 minutes or so of the first movie. So I'm gonna say I hope he did the 4th at least in part for the money, and wouldn't consider it greed; merely self-respect...
Looks like that fight wasn’t choreographed and they were making it up as they go. They should’ve hired a wrestler to be nuclear man. Have him choreograph the entire thing. That way, Ya kill two birds with one stone
jedijones hahahah whoops 😬. My bad bud 😂 I meant that like because of how many fights wrestlers are in every single days of their lives, maybe a wrestler could’ve helped make an actual fake fight seem more realistic because wrestlers are fighting for real in different states every single Monday and Thursday.........hulkamania will live forever brother
In all fairness, Christopher Reeve will always be my favorite Superman. There's no question about that. But if he was alive today, and if I was walking up to him face-to-face, there would only be one question I would want to ask him: "What the hell were you thinking with Superman IV?"
It was the Studio’s and other Producers fault not Reeve’s. He had a great idea for a Superman story about nuclear weapons, but it was unfortunately scr-wed over by Cannon Films.
@@randomericthings7506 Technical issues aside like special effects & budgeting is one thing, but the story itself has a lot of holes in it. For one thing we are presented a one sided argument that nuclear weapons are "SO EVIL" and need to be gotten rid of, yet we don't see any counterarguement that nuclear arsenal would actually help prevent possible wars OR extermination. In simple terms people or countries have no right to bare arms. Which is stupid because everyone has the right to bare arms so long as you don't screw around with each other. If you launch the first attack, you are automatically labeled the enemy and you will be dealt with. And another thing, Superman has no real reason to take part in this. In the story, Superman basically just turned into a totalitarian ruler when he announced FLAT OUT that he would take away everyone's nuclear arsenal. He was not given consent from any country whatsoever. It's just called tough crap, I'm doing it anyway, and you can't stop me. If Superman even felt like the world was a huge risk factor by doing this, the counter argument from all Earth would really be, well what the hell about you? You have the power of a God, and you could exterminate anyone at anytime? If you wanna lecture us about being bad people, maybe you should either leave Earth or renounce your powers like you selfishly did for Lois, and look where that got you? On top of the fact that everyone in the UN is "okay" with him suddenly taking their nuclear arsenal? LMFAO!!! I could almost be on the side of Lex Luthor when he says nobody wants war, that he just wants to keep the threat in light. But actually again a scene which was deleted would have been more plausible where Nuclear Man almost has both sides get ready to launch their nuclear weapons would have made slightly more sense, but Superman stops it from happening just in time. Still the point should be made more clearer that self ownership of the decisions we make play a huge role in deciding when to get into a war and when not to.
@@JessicaChastainFan I don't disagree with your lesser evil argument about Man of Steel which is just as worse of a film. But I still stand by my belief that Superman IV is a bad film.
don't see any problem with introducing a new love interest to freshen things up (abit like Bond) the lois/superman/clark love triangle story had been done in 2 movies and its not like lois was written out (like she was almost in III). and there was abit of it in IV anyway - Lois still sort of 'with' Superman and the flight scene (that probably should've been written out when the budget got halved), whereas Lacey wants Clark
I hate to disagree with Margot, but she did not age as well as Christopher did at this point and indeed she DID look older than he did. I'm sure her chain smoking didn't help in that department.
LETS GO METS! I also heard she was doing cocaine by the time Superman II was filmed in 1979. She looks a lot more gaunt in Lester’s scenes(1979) than Donner’s(1977-1978).
Look up Margot Kidder’s TAB soda commercials from 1986. Same year Superman 4 was filmed. She’s absolutely gorgeous. The problem wasn’t Kidder. They filmmakers wanted Lois to look like a matronly sister in this, instead of the female romantic lead, so they styled her accordingly. Kidder looks gorgeous in every film she shot in 86 and 87. Superman IV is the only film where she looked like this.
I got a polar pop diet coke drink from my local circle k here that sat in my chair recliner cup holder since last night. I'm contemplating if I should still drink it or not.
Sidney Furie very keen to pass all the credit to Reeve for the screenplay ... given how bad it was not exactly as generous as it might have appeared on Film 87
When somebody is doing anything just for the reason of money - please.... turn it to the end. I understand margo kidder but this is why the first movie was the best. For a long time I never understood the difference between the first movie and this one. Still the same persons but changed.
RIP Margot Kidder but I must say the romance between Clark and Lois had been exhausted during the first and second movies and ended with Clark breaking it off. For them to go back down that road again and fall deeply in love again would have been anti-climatic. That's why Margot was barely in Superman 3. I don't think it was an age thing at all. I think it was a story decision....
Kidder's role in 3 was reduced as punishment for savage comments made about the stupidity of 3's storyline, her attitude towards the Salkinds after their dismissal of Richard Donner from 1, and she slept with Richard Pryor.
@@wudaddy Did the storyline of 3 have anything to do with it? Lana is a huge part of the movie, so it seems the decision to reduce her role was made before the movie was written.
@@jedijones Storylines can be easily rewritten, and sometimes backup scripts are kept just in case. So they sent Lois on vacation. Kidder never held back on her opinions about the movies, as you can see in this interview.
@@jedijones Kidder publicity eviscerated the Salkins for firing Donner years before Superman III was written. They wanted to fire her completely but they were convinced that she was too popular with the public to do that. Lois was never going to have a big part in Superman III.
The economic part - "MONEY - Let's be realistic" M.Kidder - was a bad choice. Part III should have endet. If you do something just and only for money - money shows his ugly face. That's what I have learned in the past years.
I think Chris should have stuck to his guns and not returned for this film given it was set up for failure from the start. The studio was in no position financially to produce the kind of action-packed superhero film this was supposed to be. In fact, they were going bankrupt and eventually folded before the end of the decade. As a kid, I enjoyed the battle sequences between Superman and Nuclearman. As an adult viewing it the movie comes off as a dorky cringe-fest. Chris was not given time to get in shape for the role. He appears underweight, with no muscle tone. Too thin to be Superman. As for Margot Kidder, it wasn't that she was too old physically to play the leading love interest. Years of abusing drugs and her turbulent life made her look far older than she actually was. In the end, Superman IV turned out to be nothing more than a quick payday for everyone involved and an embarrassment that essentially put the final nail in the coffin for the Superman franchise which was already in bad shape thanks to Superman III, which was a horrible Richard Pryor vehicle. The over the top comedy did not fit the tone established by Superman The Movie and Superman II. Superman IV would have worked had it been produced by a better studio with the money to pay for quality special effects, if key elements of the story had not been cut out, and if Chris had been given time to get in shape to play Superman.
You are 100% incorrect about Kidder’s looks at this point in her career. This movie was filmed in 1986. If you look up the movie “Vanishing Act” or Margot’s TAB soda commercials from 1986 had on youtube, all shot mere months before this, she is absolutely stunning. Like as gorgeous as Superman I, if not more so. Kidder looks great in everything she shot in 86/87, except Superman IV. They wanted Lois to be the matronly sister figure in this, versus playing up the Lois/Clark romance, and the make up, hair and styling reflect that.
@@jaquen1977 I don't think she would have let them use makeup and hairstyling to make her appear older and wiser. She was having a midlife crisis at this point and was confident that she did not look "old". It does not take long for drug abuse to wreck a person's physical appearance. With that said, I believe what we saw of her in Superman IV was not an image created by makeup and hairstyling.
@@1977TA Margot Kidder would’ve had very little control over her hair and make up in Superman IV. Initially she was straight up told by the new producers that she was too old and they might recast Lois. Kidder has literally 0 input into production.
@@1977TA Did you look up the clips I recommended? Here’s what Margot Kidder looked like in 1986 in everything she did except Superman 4: th-cam.com/video/o02yhQkJMX8/w-d-xo.html m.th-cam.com/video/gF31JDJMCsw/w-d-xo.html m.th-cam.com/video/ht_EqflplHw/w-d-xo.html
@@jaquen1977 I think she would have been smart enough to know efforts were being made to make her appear older and I think she would have protested or even threatened to walk out. She knew that Chris and pretty much everyone involved with the project thought she was washed up and I think she was determined to prove them all wrong and in fact, cheating to make her look older would validate her point.
A fortune? The movie only had a $17 million budget, half of what it was supposed to be. If Reeve was paid a lot, that didn't leave much for anything else.
Not true. He did it because he was given creative control, which was essentially the chance to direct and star in a film. He was becoming interested in directing by this point in his life and this was an opportunity for him to test himself. Yes getting a check was nice but he would not have got on board if he was not given creative control. As for Margot, she was bitter, jealous of Mariel Hemingway, and suffering from a mid-life crisis. This was not the first time she bit the hand that was feeding her.
@@davidstewart4310 It couldn't have been that hefty. The movie had a budget of 17 million. I don't see them giving him no more than 2 or 3 million certainly no more than 5 million. But whatever he got it was more than the other actors because he was the star and he had story writing credit. The final box office take was 36.7 million so he probably got an additional check from that.
I think he had to do this movie, otherwise he wasn't getting other roles in big budget movies, he tried for years but never got any, perhaps he thought this movie could jump start his acting or directing career...neither happened
2000Betelgeuse Chris was offered Mel Gibson’s role in The Bounty(1984) but turned it down because he didn’t want to be typecast as an action/adventure star
Michael Hamilton the main reason he did it was because he needed a studio to back his screenplay Street Smart(1987). Cannon said they’d do it if he played Superman again.
MMAFighter38 That was a great movie with Morgan Freeman. Forgot about that until you mentioned it. Wouldn't mind watching that again. Christopher reeve was the best. Iconic and memorizing as Clark Kent/Superman, but it was only meant for 1 and 2 which were filmed simultaneously. How can a movie filmed 10yrs later be so much worse than the original, in terms of writing, production, special effects, acting. Just goofy stupid. The worst. Didn't they know once they seen Richard pryor and superman getting drunk flicking peanuts in a bar, it was time?
2000Betelgeuse Not so Reeve turned down American Gigolo, The Running Man ect .... he basically preffered to make artistic acting choices over commercial movie star roles is all.
Christopher Reeve took himself and his portrayal of Superman way too seriously. At the end of the day, Superman is a fictional character in a fictional universe. You mean that Superman, the comic book character, appears ‘campy’ to audiences? You don’t say! Just look at the original meaning of the word ‘comic’. Comic books and newspaper comics have always deviated from reality to some degree. In addition, Superman was never completely within the Science Fiction genre. Like most things in the DC Comics Universe, every Superman story has always been ‘Fantasia meets Science Fiction’, similar to He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.
you mean he aint real, what a great power to have, dating a woman she wants to get married kiss the bitch and she forgets everything thats a great power and having a large weenie and a lot of money and a cool car..........
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Christopher reeve best superman ever
no not really
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yes christopher reeve was best superman ever, but superman 4 was worst superman movie ever until superman returns!!!
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Margot was savage in this
Not really. She just wasn't prepared to play along with Reeves' artistic bollocks in pretending 'Superman IV' was some kind of wonderful script....when we all know its the worst of the four.
she sounds like she was on something.
That's why I loved her. She was always so honest. Being that honest and staying on the A list don't go together unfortunately.
i like how margot kidder pulls no punches and is just brutally honest
Amazing that her segments were televised as PROMOTION for the film. Nowadays I doubt that would happen.
I don't like it. It shows why her career tanked. She has a big mouth and it got her into trouble a lot..
I liked her blatant honesty too, she was the same on an old David Letterman show when promoting this film
Margot got certain problems, so do not believe that bullshit. Reeve made this film for higher reasons that money. The movie does not work, but maybe a recut can save certain things, because the best images are in the edition basket. Maybe one day...
Don't count on it. I saw the deleted scenes, for exaple with the first Nuclear Man and the figth that ensues between Superman and him.... it was BAD, REALLY [HORRIBLY] BAD, so bad that it made me grate ful the film was release how it was.
It fim was a good idea in theory (Supes ridding the world of Nuclear weapons, so 80s, love it!) BUT poorly executed. If those cheapskate rip-off merchants Cannon had spent the whole $40 million given from Warners instead of spending $17 million, this could have been good!
Margot nailed it. Poor Chris had to hide the fact the whole project was starting to reek of desperation
This was just very poor budgeting from Day 1. I used to wonder why a movie stops filming mid-way through the production.Superman IV is the perfect example of what happens when a studio "keeps filming" in spite of serious financial set-backs. Some "idiot" at Warner Bros. thought: "Superman IV will be a huge hit, no matter how little money we spend to make this film."
Christopher Reeve is AWESOME!!!!
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The interview asks Christopher Reeve, "Do you think Superman is a sex symbol?"
I laughed....only because I remembered what happened in Superman 3 with Superman
turning to the "dark side."
Then he talked about how in Superman 3, he had stubble and looked roughed up and was a darker Superman.
Some women (me included), think that he looked very sexy and edgy.
But Superman is about a clean, wholesome image.
Now, the man who plays Superman is, of course, very sexy.
yes sweetie pie
"But Superman is about a clean, wholesome image"
Not really, only his more modern interpretation that went trough decades of editorials. Just take a look on Action Comics #1 and most early covers (and insides) of Superman featuring comics. Including Fleischer studio cartoons which were made after original Superman. He looks mean and "edgy" for the most of the time and when he doesn't he looks Stoic. Even Lois Lane was scared of him first time (not like in Superman The Movie, but for real) she met Supes in comics.
Superman started same way as Batman, and went trough same softened phase (and then back into darker roots,in comics that is). The only difference is that first Superman movie was made after soft phase, while first Batman movie was made when character went back to darkness.
But yeah, Chris predicted it right. More than that, I think if accident never happened, and if Donner got another try at making movie in 2000's, we'd get something like comics that he co-wrote with Geoff Johns Superman Last Son, which is a lot more similar to Snyder films than to his own.
*Interviewer:* Why did Christopher come back to do Superman 4?
*Christopher:* I wanted do something worth wild and had a good message.
*Margot:* Money.
I still can't get over the fact that parts of this movie were filmed in Milton Keynes. Its insane!!! Then a year after filming this Michael Cane and Pierce Brosnan turns up in M.K for the forth protocol and the famous tea room scene from Withnail and I is filmed down the road in Stony Stratford.
Also Full Metal Jacket's Vietnam was in Stratford!
It’s hard not to feel for Ms. Kidder in this clip. She wasn’t sugarcoating anything here and in a lot of ways, she was right. Even during the “on-the-set” clip where Reeve is hugging her, she looks unhappy.
Christopher reeve is my dream man
Sadly everyone in this video is now dead, Chris Reeve, Margot Kidder, Barry Norman. RIP.
The interviewer for the BBC isn't dead Mariel Hemingway isn't dead, and the director isn't dead, Mr Furie. So all in all, that isn't too bad going
No wonder my sis always ask about Christopher Reeve.
Brandon Rouths is his doppelganger.
@@brianallan9841 That's another Mark Pillow. He doesn't even look like the guy that played Nuclear Man
Sadly by this point Chris had already known the film would be a complete disaster.
Funny, that he does the Clark mannerism of pushing his glasses up and he’s not even wearing them. I wonder if he was playing Clark for awhile that days shoot
Though I do like Margot Kidder's honest the whole 'women in Hollywood get old' attitude she is exhibiting does work. Since Superman: the movie, there has never been a real romantic relationship between Lois and Clark, more like a gawky older brother and the outspoken younger sister who tells him what to do (with the exception of her finding out his secret in part II).
One of the aspects I liked in Superman III was the Clark/Lana relationship, somebody who saw Clark's kindness and decency and more attracted Clark than Superman.
Margot Kidder clearly thinks this movie is stupid.
Travis Kraft Sadly, she certainly was not wrong.
Travis Kraft she was on David Letterman promoting S IV and when David asked if S IV is any good, she hesitated when answering.
she's clearly on something and slurring her speech.
That was a big mistake for true messing with the Lois and superman love story... Look at the incredible romantic ending of the Richard donnar version of superman 2..
It's such a shame that they didn't carry on with that love story
Love Margot
They all look so excited to be part of the movie.
I think it would be good if they restored the relevant scenes and added updated special effects. Not all deleted scenes made it to the DVD special features.
Yes i wish they did that' too like a director's cut
This movie is absolute trash. It’s not worth the time, effort and money to update.
It's funny listening to them talk about age 30 yrs ago, like 35 is old. Lois is like only a few yrs younger than superman. Christopher reeve thinking he's too old or getting too old, now all the superstar superheroes are starting in their 30s and into their 40s. RDJ was like 45 as iron man.. Ben affleck same age. Now RDJ like 55 and I don't see the problem. Perception has changed, especially in Hollywood. 50 is the new 30.
yes back in the 80s ppl in their 20s/30s were considered full adults and in their late 30s/40s middle aged etc. now ppl in their 20s are still considered pretty much as teens. and 30s is like the way point between childhood and adulthood. 40s is like ok you're an adult now..but not really if you don't wanna be lol. And regarding superman Reeve was only about 24 when he filmed Superman I and about 27 when he did II and about 30 when he did III but he is a complete 'adult' in all those.. in III hes almost like a 45y old in his mannerisms/demeanour etc (as you say RDJ is doing what he did in his late 40s). so by Superman IV hes almost like 'old man' Superman.. it was basically his 'Logan' lol
Chris was 34 and Margot was 38 when part 4 was filmed. A man with a love interest older than him at all is still pretty uncommon in movies. Gwyneth Paltrow is 7 years younger than RDJ. Mariel Hemingway is 9 years younger than Chris. Annette O'Toole, a.k.a. Lana in Superman 3, was just a few months older than Chris. I don't know what other mainstream movies are out there where the female romantic interest is several years older than the male. Lois and Clark in the Superman movies seem to be a rarity in that regard.
@@bozotheclown169 I didn't see this comment. Lol. Well said.
My kids love Superman IV!!! Wish the budget would have been legit
When I think of movie franchises that should have "stopped" after the third film, Star Wars, Rocky, and Superman come to mind.
Margot was straight brutal here. And I loved it. They went out of their way to play down her looks in this too, which was absurd. If you look up the movie Vanishing Act or her Tab commercials from 1986, both done the same year as this, you will see just how gorgeous and youthful she still was. They purposely made her matronly in this turd of a movie.
She only got to come back and got paid thanks to Chris. He wanted her back in a larger role after being downplayed in 3..
Thanks for the upload, this is in amazing quality for such a rarity of this age!
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At one point during filming, Reeve took Jon Cryer (Lenny Luthor) aside, and confessed to him that "This movie's going to be a complete disaster"!
That happened, but it wasn’t on set. It was at the premier. He warned Cryer before the screening that it was going to be hot trash.
I read that he told the kid who played Jeremy it was going to be a flop .
Imdb says his pay was $250,000 for the first movie, then $500,000 for the second, $1M for the 3rd and $6M for the last one.
Even assuming these numbers to be correct, the total spread out over the 4 movies he made as Superman averages under $2M per picture.
Now compare that with Brando's alledged $3,7M + 11,75% of the box office gross profits ($300M for the first movie if I'm not mistaken), and Christopher was basically paid peanuts as the actor who effectively carried the whole thing past the first 45 minutes or so of the first movie.
So I'm gonna say I hope he did the 4th at least in part for the money, and wouldn't consider it greed; merely self-respect...
Looks like that fight wasn’t choreographed and they were making it up as they go. They should’ve hired a wrestler to be nuclear man. Have him choreograph the entire thing. That way, Ya kill two birds with one stone
So you're saying wrestling is all faked? You just ruined it for me. LOL
jedijones hahahah whoops 😬. My bad bud 😂 I meant that like because of how many fights wrestlers are in every single days of their lives, maybe a wrestler could’ve helped make an actual fake fight seem more realistic because wrestlers are fighting for real in different states every single Monday and Thursday.........hulkamania will live forever brother
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I guess lana Lang went back to Smallville?
Maybe we hadn’t seen her yet, but she got replaced when Lacy’s dad took over
And he did the role only if they finance his new project he wanted to do 🥳
I would love to see the complete moon fight with all the deleted scenes.
In all fairness, Christopher Reeve will always be my favorite Superman. There's no question about that. But if he was alive today, and if I was walking up to him face-to-face, there would only be one question I would want to ask him: "What the hell were you thinking with Superman IV?"
It was the Studio’s and other Producers fault not Reeve’s. He had a great idea for a Superman story about nuclear weapons, but it was unfortunately scr-wed over by Cannon Films.
@@randomericthings7506 Technical issues aside like special effects & budgeting is one thing, but the story itself has a lot of holes in it. For one thing we are presented a one sided argument that nuclear weapons are "SO EVIL" and need to be gotten rid of, yet we don't see any counterarguement that nuclear arsenal would actually help prevent possible wars OR extermination. In simple terms people or countries have no right to bare arms. Which is stupid because everyone has the right to bare arms so long as you don't screw around with each other. If you launch the first attack, you are automatically labeled the enemy and you will be dealt with.
And another thing, Superman has no real reason to take part in this. In the story, Superman basically just turned into a totalitarian ruler when he announced FLAT OUT that he would take away everyone's nuclear arsenal. He was not given consent from any country whatsoever. It's just called tough crap, I'm doing it anyway, and you can't stop me. If Superman even felt like the world was a huge risk factor by doing this, the counter argument from all Earth would really be, well what the hell about you? You have the power of a God, and you could exterminate anyone at anytime? If you wanna lecture us about being bad people, maybe you should either leave Earth or renounce your powers like you selfishly did for Lois, and look where that got you? On top of the fact that everyone in the UN is "okay" with him suddenly taking their nuclear arsenal? LMFAO!!!
I could almost be on the side of Lex Luthor when he says nobody wants war, that he just wants to keep the threat in light. But actually again a scene which was deleted would have been more plausible where Nuclear Man almost has both sides get ready to launch their nuclear weapons would have made slightly more sense, but Superman stops it from happening just in time. Still the point should be made more clearer that self ownership of the decisions we make play a huge role in deciding when to get into a war and when not to.
Superman IV is fine, especially after seeing that insulting abortion known as Man of Steel. By far, the absolute WORST Superman film.
@@JessicaChastainFan I don't disagree with your lesser evil argument about Man of Steel which is just as worse of a film. But I still stand by my belief that Superman IV is a bad film.
I didn't hear Reeve say she was too old..
Because he didn't
Margot looks way better in this interview than she did in the movie
Very interesting
Hmm that fight sequence in the end wasn't in the final fight in the movie.... I wonder if the extended fight exists somewhere...
yes
don't see any problem with introducing a new love interest to freshen things up (abit like Bond) the lois/superman/clark love triangle story had been done in 2 movies and its not like lois was written out (like she was almost in III). and there was abit of it in IV anyway - Lois still sort of 'with' Superman and the flight scene (that probably should've been written out when the budget got halved), whereas Lacey wants Clark
3:18 me and best friend after some tequilas
NGL Chris directing the fight scenes was kinda hot. They should've had a choreographer for sure tho
I hate to disagree with Margot, but she did not age as well as Christopher did at this point and indeed she DID look older than he did. I'm sure her chain smoking didn't help in that department.
LETS GO METS! I also heard she was doing cocaine by the time Superman II was filmed in 1979. She looks a lot more gaunt in Lester’s scenes(1979) than Donner’s(1977-1978).
MMAFighter38 I knew she looked different in Lester’s film than Donner’s... but didn’t realize it was that... Rest In Peace Margot Kidder
Shannon Gold her daughter said Margot purposely overdosed on pills and alcohol
I think Reeve knew that Margot had a hard lifestyle of drinking, smoking and doing drugs.
Look up Margot Kidder’s TAB soda commercials from 1986. Same year Superman 4 was filmed. She’s absolutely gorgeous. The problem wasn’t Kidder. They filmmakers wanted Lois to look like a matronly sister in this, instead of the female romantic lead, so they styled her accordingly. Kidder looks gorgeous in every film she shot in 86 and 87. Superman IV is the only film where she looked like this.
Christopher reeve is my Mr wonderful
I got a polar pop diet coke drink from my local circle k here that sat in my chair recliner cup holder since last night. I'm contemplating if I should still drink it or not.
I love christopher reeve
Jesus CHRIST that's an awful thing to say about your co-star.
Sidney Furie very keen to pass all the credit to Reeve for the screenplay ... given how bad it was not exactly as generous as it might have appeared on Film 87
When somebody is doing anything just for the reason of money - please.... turn it to the end. I understand margo kidder but this is why the first movie was the best. For a long time I never understood the difference between the first movie and this one. Still the same persons but changed.
Nice vid.
Este filme 5 e muito bom, eu queria muito avoar também vc me impresta a roupa sr super mam para voar em volta do mundo seia muito bom
Wow Margot Kidder is really bitter in her interview but ask yourself if Christopher Reeve did it for the money as she says what did she do it for?!??
The acting challenge?
Anyone got a link to Barry Normans review after this released?
There would not be one.His program had a break during the summer so there was no review. Don't think there is any doubt what he would have said though
Margot kidder was perfect As Lois Lane
Why did the Romans killed Jesus, same question, same answer. They shook the 30 peices of silver in Reeves face.
Why can the filmmakers bring back Helen Slater as Supergirl in Superman 4 the quest for peace (1987 Movie)?!
RIP Margot Kidder but I must say the romance between Clark and Lois had been exhausted during the first and second movies and ended with Clark breaking it off. For them to go back down that road again and fall deeply in love again would have been anti-climatic. That's why Margot was barely in Superman 3. I don't think it was an age thing at all. I think it was a story decision....
Kidder's role in 3 was reduced as punishment for savage comments made about the stupidity of 3's storyline, her attitude towards the Salkinds after their dismissal of Richard Donner from 1, and she slept with Richard Pryor.
@@wudaddy Did the storyline of 3 have anything to do with it? Lana is a huge part of the movie, so it seems the decision to reduce her role was made before the movie was written.
@@jedijones Storylines can be easily rewritten, and sometimes backup scripts are kept just in case. So they sent Lois on vacation. Kidder never held back on her opinions about the movies, as you can see in this interview.
@@jedijones Kidder publicity eviscerated the Salkins for firing Donner years before Superman III was written. They wanted to fire her completely but they were convinced that she was too popular with the public to do that. Lois was never going to have a big part in Superman III.
@@wudaddy she slept wit Richard Pryor ?I didn’t know that.Where did you hear that
Saved themselves $19 million in the budget, and it shows big time 🤨😵💫
So basically Superman trades in Margot Kidder for a younger model?
Yikes, brutal honesty is always the best but you can cut the tension with a knife
Margot was so redpill
Bob Usualis she always was, but she had a drinking problem, maybe that’s why she was honest af.
Bob Usualis she might have been ‘red pill’ before the alt-right stole the phrase. Margot was extremely liberal.
@@PhancyPants99 So was Chris, but they sure didn't see eye-to-eye on some aspects of these movies.
The economic part - "MONEY - Let's be realistic" M.Kidder - was a bad choice. Part III should have endet. If you do something just and only for money - money shows his ugly face. That's what I have learned in the past years.
Ironic. Christopher wanted to make sure the film was worth doing so he wrote it himself but it was the worst of the Superman series.
I think Chris should have stuck to his guns and not returned for this film given it was set up for failure from the start. The studio was in no position financially to produce the kind of action-packed superhero film this was supposed to be. In fact, they were going bankrupt and eventually folded before the end of the decade. As a kid, I enjoyed the battle sequences between Superman and Nuclearman. As an adult viewing it the movie comes off as a dorky cringe-fest. Chris was not given time to get in shape for the role. He appears underweight, with no muscle tone. Too thin to be Superman.
As for Margot Kidder, it wasn't that she was too old physically to play the leading love interest. Years of abusing drugs and her turbulent life made her look far older than she actually was. In the end, Superman IV turned out to be nothing more than a quick payday for everyone involved and an embarrassment that essentially put the final nail in the coffin for the Superman franchise which was already in bad shape thanks to Superman III, which was a horrible Richard Pryor vehicle. The over the top comedy did not fit the tone established by Superman The Movie and Superman II.
Superman IV would have worked had it been produced by a better studio with the money to pay for quality special effects, if key elements of the story had not been cut out, and if Chris had been given time to get in shape to play Superman.
You are 100% incorrect about Kidder’s looks at this point in her career. This movie was filmed in 1986. If you look up the movie “Vanishing Act” or Margot’s TAB soda commercials from 1986 had on youtube, all shot mere months before this, she is absolutely stunning. Like as gorgeous as Superman I, if not more so. Kidder looks great in everything she shot in 86/87, except Superman IV. They wanted Lois to be the matronly sister figure in this, versus playing up the Lois/Clark romance, and the make up, hair and styling reflect that.
@@jaquen1977 I don't think she would have let them use makeup and hairstyling to make her appear older and wiser. She was having a midlife crisis at this point and was confident that she did not look "old". It does not take long for drug abuse to wreck a person's physical appearance.
With that said, I believe what we saw of her in Superman IV was not an image created by makeup and hairstyling.
@@1977TA Margot Kidder would’ve had very little control over her hair and make up in Superman IV. Initially she was straight up told by the new producers that she was too old and they might recast Lois. Kidder has literally 0 input into production.
@@1977TA Did you look up the clips I recommended? Here’s what Margot Kidder looked like in 1986 in everything she did except Superman 4:
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@@jaquen1977 I think she would have been smart enough to know efforts were being made to make her appear older and I think she would have protested or even threatened to walk out. She knew that Chris and pretty much everyone involved with the project thought she was washed up and I think she was determined to prove them all wrong and in fact, cheating to make her look older would validate her point.
Chris was paid a fortune....thats why he did it....good script....awful movie! Having said that, there are some nice moments.
A fortune? The movie only had a $17 million budget, half of what it was supposed to be. If Reeve was paid a lot, that didn't leave much for anything else.
Not true. He did it because he was given creative control, which was essentially the chance to direct and star in a film. He was becoming interested in directing by this point in his life and this was an opportunity for him to test himself. Yes getting a check was nice but he would not have got on board if he was not given creative control.
As for Margot, she was bitter, jealous of Mariel Hemingway, and suffering from a mid-life crisis. This was not the first time she bit the hand that was feeding her.
@@1977TA Im sure Chris enjoyed a hefty paycheck none the less....
@@davidstewart4310 It couldn't have been that hefty. The movie had a budget of 17 million. I don't see them giving him no more than 2 or 3 million certainly no more than 5 million. But whatever he got it was more than the other actors because he was the star and he had story writing credit. The final box office take was 36.7 million so he probably got an additional check from that.
@@wudaddy yeah, that's why the movie looks like it cost a couple hundred bucks.
He did well shame the studio were skin flints
No wonder superman 4 was rubbish because Chris was having to micromanage everything
A super awful movie
you mean awful good
That story was crap, no offense.
I think he had to do this movie, otherwise he wasn't getting other roles in big budget movies, he tried for years but never got any, perhaps he thought this movie could jump start his acting or directing career...neither happened
i think he was about to make a great comeback into film. time had passed and he was doing non superman roles before his accident.
2000Betelgeuse Chris was offered Mel Gibson’s role in The Bounty(1984) but turned it down because he didn’t want to be typecast as an action/adventure star
Michael Hamilton the main reason he did it was because he needed a studio to back his screenplay Street Smart(1987). Cannon said they’d do it if he played Superman again.
MMAFighter38 That was a great movie with Morgan Freeman. Forgot about that until you mentioned it. Wouldn't mind watching that again. Christopher reeve was the best. Iconic and memorizing as Clark Kent/Superman, but it was only meant for 1 and 2 which were filmed simultaneously. How can a movie filmed 10yrs later be so much worse than the original, in terms of writing, production, special effects, acting. Just goofy stupid. The worst. Didn't they know once they seen Richard pryor and superman getting drunk flicking peanuts in a bar, it was time?
2000Betelgeuse Not so Reeve turned down American Gigolo, The Running Man ect .... he basically preffered to make artistic acting choices over commercial movie star roles is all.
Superman IV sucks.
Christopher Reeve took himself and his portrayal of Superman way too seriously. At the end of the day, Superman is a fictional character in a fictional universe. You mean that Superman, the comic book character, appears ‘campy’ to audiences? You don’t say! Just look at the original meaning of the word ‘comic’. Comic books and newspaper comics have always deviated from reality to some degree. In addition, Superman was never completely within the Science Fiction genre. Like most things in the DC Comics Universe, every Superman story has always been ‘Fantasia meets Science Fiction’, similar to He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.
Bullshit
you mean he aint real, what a great power to have, dating a woman she wants to get married kiss the bitch and she forgets everything thats a great power and having a large weenie and a lot of money and a cool car..........
Your observation is garbage.