" _humans believe that if you go into a war in the hopes of a fair fight, you’re doing it wrong_ " That made me laugh. Sun Tzu, von Clausewitz, and Machiavelli would definitely agree.
@@dikkie1000 because, unfortunately, we as a species find a peculiar clarity and purity of though in the midst of life and death carnage. Monks and theologians pray and meditate to achieve it, some shed blood and find it in pain. 🤷🏼♂️ humans man, we’re a fucked up group of hyper violent primates.
@@widdershins5383 It has been like that just about since we've left the trees and learned to walk upright to free our hands so we could throw heavy or sharp stuff at things and later on punch them. We're only getting better at it.
For the love of all you hold as Holy, don't encourage humans into what they consider an atrocity contest. They will win and then they will hold their guilty feeling over it against your survivors.
To modify the line about not arguing with idiots... "Never enter an atrocity contest with humans. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
@@kloppanator That's not really true. Yes we are really good at doing terrible things but for the most part they were not considered atrocities when they were regularly done. Besides we have always sucked at the kill everyone we generally wanted to keep a forced labor force.
What is the limit to what humanity can and will do to you? There isn't one. We routinely find more creative and interesting ways to kill, maim, and torture each other... FOR FUN. We impose limits on ourselves so as to not get "too out of hand" with each other. Because, the act of dehumanizing each other to the point that we don't care what happens... at this stage in our development, means we could destroy our entire species without a thought to the consequences. I suspect that once we're no longer limited to our own planet... "atrocities" will only exist as "rendering habitable and valuable real estate uninhabitable, because nobody wins there".
It’s an honor to have one of my stories read by HFY’s foremost reader on TH-cam. Again, apologies for some of the name I made you have to pronounce in the process. ^.^;
@Zael Moonblade I was a combat medic for 2 of my deployments. Once I caught a round in my leg. The MK19 & M60 ended up running out of ammo before the Lt could get them to cease fire.
The rules of war are not for the dead, but for the living. How can there ever be peace with the memories of what has been done or done to you? There are limits, because without them the living would be monsters after the war.
Also, for both the victors and the losers, such that the war doesn't need a sequel, if possible. If the victors are nothing more than monsters, it's only natural to go and hunt them down. Likewise if the losers are only monsters. But if both victor and loser are men, honorable and proud, then the soldiers of each side can sit down together for a beer afterward and shake hands.
Reminds me of a history lesson, the honor system of one nation said "being taking prisoner is the greatest dishonor", while the other said "wasting lives in a suicidal last charge with no chance of victory is dishonarable since it shows that you don't care about any human lives" and stuff like that. So when one side surrendered because they were facing certain death, and the other suicide charged they were seen as monsters who didn't value any life, each saw the other as unhonorable savages.
Thanks Agro! I noticed in some of the recent tales your voice seemed..strained. Not so today, but take it easy. We'd hate to see you injure yourself for our sake. Happy New Year!
@@AgroSquerril seriously, if you need to take a day or two off,or not post daily, people will understand, taking care of yourself is something anyone can support.
Fight to kill or wound so badly the enemy can not continue. Go into combat that isn't in a tournament with some notion of fighting fair only if you are 100% certain your opponent has the same moral code as yourself. If you live you have the luxury to feel guilty afterwards if so inclined.
Why humans fight dirty? Because it fecking works! You want a fair fight get into a boxing ring. War is hell, and we want to keep them as hell as small as possible.
Humans: *uses trickery, overwhelming force, stealth, sabotage, to win wars* still honorable. Aliens: *shoots at the medic or the civilians* Still honorable. Humans: Oh so we gonna play dirty now huh? Is that what we do? A’ight let me show you how you can die via rapid onset lead poisoning.
Greetings Mentlegent! For the Rhythm that is Algo okay, this is very much like my humans in Strike From Shadow "Honorable" doesn't mean you let yourself lose Wait, they're talking about fair fight but someone glassing a planet is ok? ah, so being a deathworlder makes you have REAL honor. Also I'm envisioning Terrans and several Deathworlder species as allies....no one else would stand a chance.
The only problem with disregarding those principles is that you open the door to more drastic measures. One of the most glaring examples of such is the United States' decision to utilize atomic weapons in response to the Japanese unwillingness to regard some of these principles, one of those being treatment of POWs. In conclusion, disregarding Terran principles of war is a counterproductive trait subject to being removed from evolution with extreme prejudice.
@@dalemorgan8263 Go re read your history. The Atomic bombs were dropped because casualty rates in places like Okinawa were staggering, for both sides. They were dropped to force Japan's surrender in order to reduce casualties, especially allied casualties. Fun fact, you know that every Purple Heart awarded since WWII ended has come from the stockpile the US Military ordered for the Invasion of Japan? It had little if anything to do with Japanese war crimes.
I'm sorry, but this story just begs for some Sabaton in the background. "We are mad at the human, and are thinking about going to war with them for being too barbaric... do you think they will fight fair?" No friend, we will not. We will make it so the next race who suggests this in your councils are rightfully called suicidal. And, in the off chance you choose to break our rules of war, you will discover that yes, we were in fact trying to give you "a fair fight". Because, as the old swordsman said... I am not actually left handed. As long as you do not break the rules, we will resist you, and in the end we will win. If you do, however? You will discover we had MANY tools we had refused to use. Not because they are not effective... but because they ARE. In many cases, they are too effective. PLEASE do not force us to open those storehouses. Because you have no idea how bad it will be.
Maybe not, it could be that your operations, or even your entire strategy sucks. Perhaps your logistics suck, or your politics suck. There are many ways to suck that may result in an advantage for your enemy.
''making that your problem...not thers'' ....mmm.... now there is a sentence that makes me think a lot of haughty arrogant ones might sneer at the death worlders alliance behavior , and think that butchering some civilian medics or such be a good demonstration how 'unfair' it is to not line up soldiers just like they do... only to have a stealth dreadnaught flanked by a couple of stealth destroyers nock on ther homeworld and ask...''sooooo.... about attacking civilians ? still say thats fair ? because we got some warheads here thats just...bristling... with 'desire' to meet your culture... or perhaps these cargoholds full of hunter seeker droids ? ^^ aka.... tit for tat as they say.
A very modern and western view of war. One created in great part by the United States when fighting wars that it has or had the great advatage. When things are more even the level of "protect non combatants" becomes a sliding scale. Mostly looking like do not cause civilian deaths with out cause or great effect. I am not saying it is uniquly Western nor American, only that being "carful" is the domain of great powers that know they need not be "brutal" untill of course they do. The US treatment of MOST german and Italian POW's was good and far better that that of Soviet POS's does but there is still many instances of mistreatment (the exeption not the rule) Go back 100 years it gets a lot more gray go back a few more centuries or just to a differnt culture, things change greatly.
@@xxXXRAPXXxx That war was the shortest on record.. the Kuklak Advance battle cry of, "Drain their seed! Feed them sandwiches!" coupled with the popular crude colloquialism, "Check out the rack on that Kuklak!" led to an immediate cessation of hostilities and an unprecedented boom in the Terran mattress industry. Oh, and congratulations on getting one, the waiting list is long.. Oh, no, of course she loves you, their species gender imbalance of 1:10000 guarantees that. Wouldn't dream of telling you differently.
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"Stand in the ashes, of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts, if honor matters. The silence, is your answer"
Javik
" _humans believe that if you go into a war in the hopes of a fair fight, you’re doing it wrong_ "
That made me laugh. Sun Tzu, von Clausewitz, and Machiavelli would definitely agree.
The difference between professionals and amateurs. Professionals go to win and come home. Amateurs worry about how they look doing it.
It also has some very Douglas Adams/Terry Pratchett feel to it and a certain practicality too. Why fight if it's not to win?
@@dikkie1000 because, unfortunately, we as a species find a peculiar clarity and purity of though in the midst of life and death carnage. Monks and theologians pray and meditate to achieve it, some shed blood and find it in pain. 🤷🏼♂️ humans man, we’re a fucked up group of hyper violent primates.
@@widdershins5383 It has been like that just about since we've left the trees and learned to walk upright to free our hands so we could throw heavy or sharp stuff at things and later on punch them. We're only getting better at it.
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
" General George S Patton
For the love of all you hold as Holy, don't encourage humans into what they consider an atrocity contest. They will win and then they will hold their guilty feeling over it against your survivors.
"See what you made us do!"
To modify the line about not arguing with idiots... "Never enter an atrocity contest with humans. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
@@kloppanator
That's not really true. Yes we are really good at doing terrible things but for the most part they were not considered atrocities when they were regularly done. Besides we have always sucked at the kill everyone we generally wanted to keep a forced labor force.
What is the limit to what humanity can and will do to you? There isn't one. We routinely find more creative and interesting ways to kill, maim, and torture each other... FOR FUN. We impose limits on ourselves so as to not get "too out of hand" with each other. Because, the act of dehumanizing each other to the point that we don't care what happens... at this stage in our development, means we could destroy our entire species without a thought to the consequences.
I suspect that once we're no longer limited to our own planet... "atrocities" will only exist as "rendering habitable and valuable real estate uninhabitable, because nobody wins there".
Gas lighting at its finest 👌 😂😂
Well, yea. A POW is a prisoner, and by definition, no longer a combatant, and therefore are under the protections accorded to such.
Turning my problem into yours is a time honored battle strategy
It’s an honor to have one of my stories read by HFY’s foremost reader on TH-cam. Again, apologies for some of the name I made you have to pronounce in the process. ^.^;
Glad you enjoyed , thank you again for the permission
This was actually a really good one.
@@GyorBox - Much appreciated. ^.^
Gotta love the times when people attack medics. The Hounds of Hell are swiftly released.
yarp
The Number 1 way to have the restrictions temporarily removed from the Marines is to shoot at Doc it matters not wether or not you hit them.
Yah, never hurt the healer. >XD
"What's that, I need to see what's next on the Geneva checklist?" - Humanity after xenos broke the rules.
@Zael Moonblade I was a combat medic for 2 of my deployments. Once I caught a round in my leg. The MK19 & M60 ended up running out of ammo before the Lt could get them to cease fire.
“Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honour matters. The silence is your answer” Javic - Mass Effect 3
The rules of war are not for the dead, but for the living. How can there ever be peace with the memories of what has been done or done to you? There are limits, because without them the living would be monsters after the war.
Also, for both the victors and the losers, such that the war doesn't need a sequel, if possible. If the victors are nothing more than monsters, it's only natural to go and hunt them down. Likewise if the losers are only monsters. But if both victor and loser are men, honorable and proud, then the soldiers of each side can sit down together for a beer afterward and shake hands.
Well said..
@@colinsmith1495 -- Well said, also..
Fer of Mre has a good grasp on warfare and ethics, a considerable feat for sure!
Fight dirty? We won didn’t we.
history is a story told by the winners of a fight after all
It's called cheating but it only counts if you get caught by someone that can do something. That something may be drastic.
"I know i brought airsoft lmg to a nerf war,but dude we won."
“Why humans fight dirty”
It’s cause when we invade another planet, no shower has been constructed yet
Don't worry we fight dirty but we bring our own showers to clean off planets
@@RadarLeon Ah yes, we shall purge the impurity’s on the planet with a shower of bullets. Brilliant
@@mikeydinh9357 weapons free the only way to be
I brought soap
@@oobanoobaisterrible Prepare to drop the soap
"They will make that problem yours, not theirs" 😂😂
Reminds me of a history lesson, the honor system of one nation said "being taking prisoner is the greatest dishonor", while the other said "wasting lives in a suicidal last charge with no chance of victory is dishonarable since it shows that you don't care about any human lives" and stuff like that. So when one side surrendered because they were facing certain death, and the other suicide charged they were seen as monsters who didn't value any life, each saw the other as unhonorable savages.
"For the bard "
"For the squrral "
"For the horde "
FOR THE ALGORITHEM
Thanks Agro! I noticed in some of the recent tales your voice seemed..strained. Not so today, but take it easy. We'd hate to see you injure yourself for our sake. Happy New Year!
some days are better than others with regards to the voice. Keeping an eye on it though
@@AgroSquerril Honey - lots of it
@@paulross225 Cant noms the honey no more but I do have something to help with the throat
@@AgroSquerril Whiskey - lots of it
@@AgroSquerril seriously, if you need to take a day or two off,or not post daily, people will understand, taking care of yourself is something anyone can support.
When war is inevitable you must fight to win.
"If fighting is sure the result in victory than you must fight!"
Sun Tzu - 'In difficult ground, press on; In encircled ground, devise stratagems; In death ground, fight.'
Better to fight humans in an unfair war and lose quickly. When war drags on and we start to have "fun" it gets ever so much worse.
The nanites almost got one of my socks. But, I turned on one of your videos and found my sock right away.
"If you ever find yourself in a fair fight your tactics stink" John stienbeck
Honor is never underestimating your opponent. If you do, you insult their capabilities, intellect, and willingness to win.
This is how you show respect to enemy. There are Polish words "kończ waść, wstydu oszczędź" which can translate "end it quickly, spare me shame"
You fight for abstrarct things like honor, we do it for our survival, we are not the same
That would be de answer of a human in that context xD
'Why Humans Fight Dirty' a.k.a. a different point of view.
lol
Soo...aren't they who have no war ethics then?
We may fight dirty, but honor is to value life and reafirming empathy.
For the algorithm
Great job agro
As usual
Fight to kill or wound so badly the enemy can not continue. Go into combat that isn't in a tournament with some notion of fighting fair only if you are 100% certain your opponent has the same moral code as yourself. If you live you have the luxury to feel guilty afterwards if so inclined.
Finally got that nanite swarm off my trail
Good job.
are you sure they aren't in your bloodstream currently going for those socks of yours?
Why humans fight dirty? Because it fecking works! You want a fair fight get into a boxing ring. War is hell, and we want to keep them as hell as small as possible.
Short version:
They evolved as, by far, the weakest large predator, a "fair fight" was simply not an option.
Humans: *uses trickery, overwhelming force, stealth, sabotage, to win wars* still honorable.
Aliens: *shoots at the medic or the civilians* Still honorable.
Humans: Oh so we gonna play dirty now huh? Is that what we do? A’ight let me show you how you can die via rapid onset lead poisoning.
Gets the gas and flammenwerfers
Agree they should understand that they are not being honourable if torturing and attacking hospitals is ok with them
Greetings Mentlegent!
For the Rhythm that is Algo
okay, this is very much like my humans in Strike From Shadow
"Honorable" doesn't mean you let yourself lose
Wait, they're talking about fair fight but someone glassing a planet is ok?
ah, so being a deathworlder makes you have REAL honor. Also I'm envisioning Terrans and several Deathworlder species as allies....no one else would stand a chance.
we would dominate a galaxy with aliens like this in it SOOOOOOOOO fast.
For the Algorithm, For the Author(s), For the Disembodied Voice!
Beautiful words. But not all humans act this way.
Such is the enigma of the humans
we know ONLY human thought and actions, till we meet Aliens. this is the "coffee may be HOT" warning label.
Of course, but those who don't are justly criticized.
The only problem with disregarding those principles is that you open the door to more drastic measures.
One of the most glaring examples of such is the United States' decision to utilize atomic weapons in response to the Japanese unwillingness to regard some of these principles, one of those being treatment of POWs.
In conclusion, disregarding Terran principles of war is a counterproductive trait subject to being removed from evolution with extreme prejudice.
@@dalemorgan8263 Go re read your history. The Atomic bombs were dropped because casualty rates in places like Okinawa were staggering, for both sides. They were dropped to force Japan's surrender in order to reduce casualties, especially allied casualties. Fun fact, you know that every Purple Heart awarded since WWII ended has come from the stockpile the US Military ordered for the Invasion of Japan?
It had little if anything to do with Japanese war crimes.
Fair fights are for suckers but even still there are certain lines you do NOT cross.
As a marine buddy told me. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
Amazing work per your usual sir!
glad you enjoyed
Loved the story keep up the good work
glad you enjoyed
I'm sorry, but this story just begs for some Sabaton in the background. "We are mad at the human, and are thinking about going to war with them for being too barbaric... do you think they will fight fair?" No friend, we will not. We will make it so the next race who suggests this in your councils are rightfully called suicidal. And, in the off chance you choose to break our rules of war, you will discover that yes, we were in fact trying to give you "a fair fight". Because, as the old swordsman said... I am not actually left handed. As long as you do not break the rules, we will resist you, and in the end we will win. If you do, however? You will discover we had MANY tools we had refused to use. Not because they are not effective... but because they ARE. In many cases, they are too effective. PLEASE do not force us to open those storehouses. Because you have no idea how bad it will be.
Yeah, we have a really big "do not fuck with this" vault, back on Earth, don't make us use it.
The first rule of Fight Club... there are no rules.
"What? They were dumb enough to tell us when they were attacking! It's like they think war is a game or something."
Bless the Squerril
Bless the Author
Rules of Nature: 42. Winner eats loser.
A brutal summation of thriving on a death world.
Thank you for the video.
a pleasure
For the algorithm and the narrator.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
true
Maybe not, it could be that your operations, or even your entire strategy sucks. Perhaps your logistics suck, or your politics suck. There are many ways to suck that may result in an advantage for your enemy.
Nice
:)
One fights to win, not to preserve honor.
Neat
Simple, if you do not like the was we fight then do not fight with us.
For the algorithm 👽👾🤖🌌🛰🚀🛸🌠
i'm certain the british felt the same against the rebelling colonists
fair cop
''making that your problem...not thers'' ....mmm.... now there is a sentence that makes me think a lot of haughty arrogant ones might sneer at the death worlders alliance behavior , and think that butchering some civilian medics or such be a good demonstration how 'unfair' it is to not line up soldiers just like they do...
only to have a stealth dreadnaught flanked by a couple of stealth destroyers nock on ther homeworld and ask...''sooooo.... about attacking civilians ? still say thats fair ? because we got some warheads here thats just...bristling... with 'desire' to meet your culture... or perhaps these cargoholds full of hunter seeker droids ? ^^ aka.... tit for tat as they say.
For the Algorithm11!
In the marines if you don't have a advantage in a fight, well then your tactics suck.
A very modern and western view of war. One created in great part by the United States when fighting wars that it has or had the great advatage.
When things are more even the level of "protect non combatants" becomes a sliding scale. Mostly looking like do not cause civilian deaths with out cause or great effect.
I am not saying it is uniquly Western nor American, only that being "carful" is the domain of great powers that know they need not be "brutal" untill of course they do.
The US treatment of MOST german and Italian POW's was good and far better that that of Soviet POS's does but there is still many instances of mistreatment (the exeption not the rule) Go back 100 years it gets a lot more gray go back a few more centuries or just to a differnt culture, things change greatly.
neat
For the algorithm
for the algorithm
all is fair in war and love, too bad the xeno cant comprehend that
You telling me my Kluklak wife doesn't love me?!
@@xxXXRAPXXxx um,maybe?
@@xxXXRAPXXxx That war was the shortest on record.. the Kuklak Advance battle cry of, "Drain their seed! Feed them sandwiches!" coupled with the popular crude colloquialism, "Check out the rack on that Kuklak!" led to an immediate cessation of hostilities and an unprecedented boom in the Terran mattress industry. Oh, and congratulations on getting one, the waiting list is long.. Oh, no, of course she loves you, their species gender imbalance of 1:10000 guarantees that. Wouldn't dream of telling you differently.
't 5'...... SCP?
Why do humans fight dirty? To win?
indeed
Fair is for sport. not war.
If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics suck.
🤠🤠🤠🤠
So humans are pigs?? Makes sense 😂
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