I've watched every video for many years now and I have to say this is probably my new favorite series on the channel. I'm so excited for a hopefully longer season 2!
Going through a hard time atm, anticipating a difficult family funeral tmrw and your content has definitely been helping lift my mood in the middle of this absolutely shitty time. So excited for this
I named my dog nova and live in Olympia Washington . Together she is novympia (fyi no offense to Nova about naming my dog Nova. I absolutely adore the name and already done having kids. Love you nova ❤)
To Leonard number 2: it's absolutely brother in laws fault. The child is just seeking attention, don't forget girl is also going through her parents divorce. You can speak directly to the divorced dude, or to your husband. Also, for start, lock up your expensive staff, nothing wrong with it. Girl will learn in time that you are a good auntie, even if she finds you annoying at this moment. Much love to you gerls! Absolutely adore this agony!
Love you both, been watching your videos for years. I’ve always hated podcasts, but I’ve been loving these and playing them on Spotify as I drive home from work. I’ve got so many thoughts on Leonard 4 that I was compelled to get on here and comment. Your step sister’s wedding IS NOT ABOUT YOU! My husband and I got married in a private ceremony with just our parents, and then held a big wedding later on where we revealed that we had actually been married for quite a while. This is a common thing that really gained traction over COVID, and has stuck around. Listening to Leonard 4’s message got me so fired up, it’s your step sister, not your identical twin! You don’t need to know everything. You live your life and do what you want to do. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. Can’t wait for the next season of Absolute Agony ♥️
it sounds like leonard 3 probably gets their anxiety from their parents, especially from the beach story it seems like they get scared about something bad happening to you even when its not a big deal. similarly my parents supported me when i stopped working for a period during high school because my mental health was getting bad, and i think they would be terrified if i suddenly came to them at 18 and told them that i was moving out! all your parents know is that you have had difficulty holding a stable job so i think that it makes a lot of sense that they would feel anxious about you moving out, but obviously where they've gone wrong is that they're SO anxious that they won't even let you begin the first stages of making that happen. imo you definitely need to talk to them about the situation, tell them that you want to get back into working so that you can take medical steps to sort out your anxiety, you don't even need to mention the thought of moving out yet. and then let them see your progress over the next couple months, show them that you have the ability to work hard and be financially responsible. if they ask you to pay rent then that's just more proof to them that you have the ability to organise your finances enough to move out. if you have any interest in maintaining your relationship with them and stopping the infantilisation, i think working in secret and moving out suddenly would be WORST case scenario, they'll be worried sick and be constantly calling/popping in to make sure you're alright.
also leonard 4 reminds me of this video i saw where this girl announced at her wedding that they had actually already been married for a year, and had a secret wedding with just the two witnesses. maybe a similar situation?
"Leonard" should have told us how old that niece is but, I would not stand for that nonsense at any age. If anybody has an issue with me disciplining the niece, they can shove it. People have nerve! You live in someone's house to "get on your feet" and expect them to deal with your daughter's misbehavior and turn a blind eye? NO.
Ugh how exhausting. I wrote a long answer to leonard 2 and 3 and they've disappeared. 2. Its the bro in laws fault, do not take it out on the child. Its a child. 3. Leave in the safest way asap. I got stuck. Dont do the same xxx
Regarding the point about not maintaining a relationship where things have been toxic or they have done something unforgivable, I completely agree. My own "sister" has stolen my identity in the past to take out loans, among having done other things. Despite the fact I have a niece and nephew from her, I don't keep contact. I made the mistake of trying, and it was only ever thrown back in my face. Don't feel like you have to maintain those relationships. Cut it off.
I kinda hate the way parents treat there children like "Indebted servants" [Swear most only have kids like a form of 'life insurance'] mine tried the biggest guilt trip on me to "Have kids" so THEY could "Have Grandkids to spoil to make up for ignoring me" how I stopped myself screaming "I've been GAY since I was about 7, so throw a penny in the wish fountain !" I'll NEVER know
My three sisters share an eyeball and take turns stirring a cauldron. I can't stand them. You don't have to like someone just because of accident of birth. Family is what you make it. I have human children, but if you show me someone who tells me that my cats aren't my children as well, then I'll show you a liar, liar, pants on fire.
Thank you for providing a whole hour of respite from the heavy anxiety that I've felt ever since this evening due to geopolitical events. I'm going to watch some more of your videos (for the Nth time) after this. Breathe in, breathe out. ♥ Oh, and my family is very close-knit. I used to go shopping with my great-aunt, she's like an extra aunt. I'm thankful for their support when I came out, they couldn't possibly have done it better than they did. And no matter how twisty and rocky my own path through life is, they always have my back. I know not everybody is as fortunate when it comes to that stuff, so I never take it for granted. (I also agree with you on "unconditional love". We ultimately choose whom to call family, and there should be no guilt in shutting out a family member who hurts you!)
i appreciate how incensed you both were over the pouring of the conditioner. i'm a curly bitch and my shampoo, conditioner, hair mask, leave in conditioner, curl cream, mousse, gel, hair oil et cetera costs far too much and i would have shit hair (die) if it went down the sink 😭
For Leonard #2, I’d hand an itemised bill to the brother in-law and demand it be paid. Maybe if he has to pay for the wasted products, he’d be interested in keeping his kid away from them.
We had twins a year before our wedding. I went through an awful time with the paperwork since we weren’t married. Had to go to the courthouse, and for TWO hours, to answer questions who the dad was. While he was literally at home with the babies. Very embarrassing. Step sisters are bitches.
For Auntie Leonard no. 2, make an invoice of all of your ruined and wasted products (include receipt to back it up) and send it all to your brother in law. Once the problem is effecting his wallet, he’ll start giving a shite. Also show the invoice to your husband, then maybe he’ll care enough to have your back and support you. It’s his brother, he should be 100% backing you up and be the one to speak with his brother.
I personally can’t wait to have kids but currently my dog is my baby. And i’ve had the exact same issue with people with kids being infuriated that I call my dog my child 😒
I hadn't seen my adoptive father in 10 years, birth family since I was 1 years old, and my brother who I was adopted with has gone rogue and got married. Family is weird and complex and all round a mine feild sometimes.
I have 2 adult sons in their early 20s who are back living at home. I make them pay rent and food costs and I couldn't care less how much salt they put on their eggs, whether they're going to be eaten by a shark, or what they do for work. After hearing other peoples' experiences, I now feel like a shit parent...LOL
I've been saying this since episode 1 (to myself) but there neeeeeds to be a follow up episode where you catch up on X number of stories that you talked about on the season!
This is going to sound callous, but with the first Leonard I would lay down some timelines for the parents. Make it clear that their relocation is *temporary* and discuss more long-term solutions should it become protracted. It sounds as if they have a support network, find out if they can chip in occasionally. Maybe look into hiring part time help. As for the second Leonard, I wonder if the niece is attention seeking. Her parents are going through a divorce and the dad sounds pretty useless. Not that's up to the Leonard to take over the parenting. It'd be interesting to know if they have any contact with the girl's mother and what her parenting is like. The young Leonard, it sounds like growing pains. They're restless and feel smothered by their parents, which I totally sympathise with. But at the end of the day it's best to try not to cut off potential sources of help and support. I would 100% reach out to the sister to see if she can help, even if it's just for venting sessions. With the last Leonard, it sounds like a couple of conversations need to happen. Firstly, ascertain the nature of the ceremony to see whether or not her absence is a big deal. Secondly, to find out why her step sister doesn't tell her about important life events and explain that it feels hurtful that she think that Leonard doesn't care. It could be a simple case of miscommunication.
I love that you two thing negotiating with kids will work XD Ultimately children act badly, don't take this out on the kid. Your issue with with the husband/brother-in-law. Kids do dumb stuff, its expected. Edit: What I mean is that trying to use the kid to get back at the husband/brother-in-law is a stupid idea. Its like if you two are having dinner and Nova lets one of the cats eats Olympias dinner, and in revenge Olympia decides to get the cat to eat Nova's dinner. You arent teaching the cat just to eat one dinner, you're teaching the cat that eating someone elses food is ok and while you may be able to direct it that once instance, soon its going to be a problem for everyone. You cant teach a kid something is wrong by saying its fine in x,y,z case, because im assuming the kid is like 4 or something. Ultimately the one at fault is whomever is meant to be parenting the child, not the child itself. On a side note if you did do that and the dad reacts super badly, are you gonna then admit that you made the kid do it? It'd make you look deranged.
Also I agree with Nova, if you're an adult and are working then you should contribute to the general house expenses if you're asked to. Sure it will take you longer to save up to move out but as Nova rightly said, that is just part of being an adult. You either want to be an adult with all the privileges and responsibilities or you don't, in which case you do have to accept that it is their house, their rules. You can't have it both ways just because it will be more convenient to you because life isn't only around for our conveniences. Sometimes we do have to sacrifice one thing for another, even if that thing is being treated like a child in order to save money.
Living with your parents is always hard once you get to a certain age and all you want to do is rebel. Speaking to their parents sounds the most important thing here if it's causing anxiety. they need to explain to back off as this could make it a lot more complicated if they don't stop the pressure. Ask the doctor is there somewhere to refer them to. Are there any organisations over there that can help?
I am confused. I thought Megan was a sibling to Nova (from an old video) but if Nova has 2 siblings one that got married and the blond girl with boyfriend from the wedding. Is Megan just a friend then?
The secret wedding one im gonna say this.. and its only going off the dilemma… but her step sister obv doesnt think of her as being part of “her family” or as u called it “inner circle”. Sometimes u have to accept they dont like u or want u in their life as much as u want! Its their choice & nothing u do can change it. Its sad yes but, unpopular opinion here… its none of ur business what goes on in her life sorry. Step siblings i dont think are ever as close as blood related siblings so due to that distance it shows up in things like this! That sounded harsh i know but sometimes u do have to accept that ppl close in ur life do not think of u as highly as u do them
Sounds like the wedding one is the step sister's family having a problem with her not being married before having a baby. I don't think it's all the step-sisters fault. Are they a traditional Christian family as it sounds like it. I think religion is playing a part here. As for your father and other members keeping it a secret it's simple. Confront them and ask them why they hid it from you and then tell them if you ever get married or are having a bay don't expect an invite. Turn the table round.
I LOVE the sound of your parents, Nova! I’m from a vegan family. If my kids grow up and start eating animal products though I will obviously disown them and spend their inheritance on myself 😊 Love hearing both your takes on Leonard(s) issues ❤
This was both a relatable and anxiety-producing video for me. Traveling to see our families last month was mostly enjoyable. But it's also very stressful and overwhelming. We both literally bristle when asked how we enjoyed our "vacation." Excellent advice, gerls! I'm looking forward to the Leonard updates in a few weeks. 🖤💕🩷
Me, keeping this playing in the back while doing chores, not paying full attention. Olympia: "And he never shat himself in our presence..." Me: wait, that's a notable quality? what friend group is this about?? 🫤
Can you imagine Char doing children storytime? I'd pay good money to see that
The Children would be reading to Char... LOL
I would go, I would NOT bring my children
Char would walk in with her cigarette, look around and say “ I want to go ome “ 😅 “I just want to go ome…….🚬🚬
Optimistic of you to assume Char can read
I think we need to see this storytime come to light!
Mad respect to Nova for coming as a chain-clad leather daddy emblazoned with a page from the Smyth's Toys catalogue.
I know i kept looking at it & i feel the next vid Lymp will say “Everyone commented on ur Daddy village people chain & said never wear it again” 😂😂😂
With a "Passion for Fashion" 👄
7:53 this really hits hard for me, who was kicked out at 17 and NEVER returned/spoke to most 'family'. Thank you Nova
I hope you are now thriving 💕
@@Novympia I'm trying my best (in my mid 30's now) Times are tough but I have A LOT of resources to access thankfully
I've watched every video for many years now and I have to say this is probably my new favorite series on the channel. I'm so excited for a hopefully longer season 2!
Going through a hard time atm, anticipating a difficult family funeral tmrw and your content has definitely been helping lift my mood in the middle of this absolutely shitty time. So excited for this
Novympia: Helping adults move out from their parents’ since 2015
lol
Novympia helped me finally move away from my dreadful family ❤
I named my dog nova and live in Olympia Washington . Together she is novympia (fyi no offense to Nova about naming my dog Nova. I absolutely adore the name and already done having kids. Love you nova ❤)
Don't apologise for that, that's such a nice compliment to inspire a pets name x 💖
Hi from Renton! 👋🏼
@@HouseOfHuli you’re not too horribly far from me. That’s kinda a drive but I had family that used to live in renton
To Leonard number 2: it's absolutely brother in laws fault. The child is just seeking attention, don't forget girl is also going through her parents divorce. You can speak directly to the divorced dude, or to your husband. Also, for start, lock up your expensive staff, nothing wrong with it. Girl will learn in time that you are a good auntie, even if she finds you annoying at this moment. Much love to you gerls! Absolutely adore this agony!
Love you both, been watching your videos for years. I’ve always hated podcasts, but I’ve been loving these and playing them on Spotify as I drive home from work. I’ve got so many thoughts on Leonard 4 that I was compelled to get on here and comment. Your step sister’s wedding IS NOT ABOUT YOU! My husband and I got married in a private ceremony with just our parents, and then held a big wedding later on where we revealed that we had actually been married for quite a while. This is a common thing that really gained traction over COVID, and has stuck around. Listening to Leonard 4’s message got me so fired up, it’s your step sister, not your identical twin! You don’t need to know everything. You live your life and do what you want to do.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. Can’t wait for the next season of Absolute Agony ♥️
it sounds like leonard 3 probably gets their anxiety from their parents, especially from the beach story it seems like they get scared about something bad happening to you even when its not a big deal. similarly my parents supported me when i stopped working for a period during high school because my mental health was getting bad, and i think they would be terrified if i suddenly came to them at 18 and told them that i was moving out! all your parents know is that you have had difficulty holding a stable job so i think that it makes a lot of sense that they would feel anxious about you moving out, but obviously where they've gone wrong is that they're SO anxious that they won't even let you begin the first stages of making that happen. imo you definitely need to talk to them about the situation, tell them that you want to get back into working so that you can take medical steps to sort out your anxiety, you don't even need to mention the thought of moving out yet. and then let them see your progress over the next couple months, show them that you have the ability to work hard and be financially responsible. if they ask you to pay rent then that's just more proof to them that you have the ability to organise your finances enough to move out. if you have any interest in maintaining your relationship with them and stopping the infantilisation, i think working in secret and moving out suddenly would be WORST case scenario, they'll be worried sick and be constantly calling/popping in to make sure you're alright.
also leonard 4 reminds me of this video i saw where this girl announced at her wedding that they had actually already been married for a year, and had a secret wedding with just the two witnesses. maybe a similar situation?
Discovering the secret photos of the wedding makes me think of the cutaway, “you lying bitch” 😅😅
"Leonard" should have told us how old that niece is but, I would not stand for that nonsense at any age. If anybody has an issue with me disciplining the niece, they can shove it. People have nerve! You live in someone's house to "get on your feet" and expect them to deal with your daughter's misbehavior and turn a blind eye? NO.
Absolutely not, I'm whooping that ass. (Can you tell I'm an 80's kid?)😂
Ugh how exhausting. I wrote a long answer to leonard 2 and 3 and they've disappeared.
2. Its the bro in laws fault, do not take it out on the child. Its a child.
3. Leave in the safest way asap. I got stuck. Dont do the same xxx
Regarding the point about not maintaining a relationship where things have been toxic or they have done something unforgivable, I completely agree. My own "sister" has stolen my identity in the past to take out loans, among having done other things. Despite the fact I have a niece and nephew from her, I don't keep contact. I made the mistake of trying, and it was only ever thrown back in my face.
Don't feel like you have to maintain those relationships. Cut it off.
I kinda hate the way parents treat there children like "Indebted servants" [Swear most only have kids like a form of 'life insurance'] mine tried the biggest guilt trip on me to "Have kids" so THEY could "Have Grandkids to spoil to make up for ignoring me" how I stopped myself screaming "I've been GAY since I was about 7, so throw a penny in the wish fountain !" I'll NEVER know
My three sisters share an eyeball and take turns stirring a cauldron. I can't stand them. You don't have to like someone just because of accident of birth. Family is what you make it. I have human children, but if you show me someone who tells me that my cats aren't my children as well, then I'll show you a liar, liar, pants on fire.
Love this 🫶
Especially about the accident of birth comment 😂
Thank you for providing a whole hour of respite from the heavy anxiety that I've felt ever since this evening due to geopolitical events.
I'm going to watch some more of your videos (for the Nth time) after this. Breathe in, breathe out. ♥
Oh, and my family is very close-knit. I used to go shopping with my great-aunt, she's like an extra aunt. I'm thankful for their support
when I came out, they couldn't possibly have done it better than they did. And no matter how twisty and rocky my own path through
life is, they always have my back. I know not everybody is as fortunate when it comes to that stuff, so I never take it for granted.
(I also agree with you on "unconditional love". We ultimately choose whom to call family, and there should be no guilt in shutting out a family member who hurts you!)
i appreciate how incensed you both were over the pouring of the conditioner. i'm a curly bitch and my shampoo, conditioner, hair mask, leave in conditioner, curl cream, mousse, gel, hair oil et cetera costs far too much and i would have shit hair (die) if it went down the sink 😭
For Leonard #2, I’d hand an itemised bill to the brother in-law and demand it be paid. Maybe if he has to pay for the wasted products, he’d be interested in keeping his kid away from them.
Good idea!
Add some fun crap for the kid to play with, and withhold food from brother in law until he pays up. He sucks.
We had twins a year before our wedding. I went through an awful time with the paperwork since we weren’t married. Had to go to the courthouse, and for TWO hours, to answer questions who the dad was. While he was literally at home with the babies. Very embarrassing. Step sisters are bitches.
For Auntie Leonard no. 2, make an invoice of all of your ruined and wasted products (include receipt to back it up) and send it all to your brother in law. Once the problem is effecting his wallet, he’ll start giving a shite. Also show the invoice to your husband, then maybe he’ll care enough to have your back and support you. It’s his brother, he should be 100% backing you up and be the one to speak with his brother.
Yaaaas! Been loving the podcast, thank you - it's a great comfort listen and super entertaining 😊
I know this is way too serious a comment, but these videos do help my mental state. They help on hard days. Thank you❤
Legal adult in Massachusets is 18. Drinking age nation wide is 21
I personally can’t wait to have kids but currently my dog is my baby. And i’ve had the exact same issue with people with kids being infuriated that I call my dog my child 😒
Back with the podcast! Can’t wait to meet more Leonard’s 😂
You guys, oh my God. I’m speechless, and I’m extremely happy thank you
I hadn't seen my adoptive father in 10 years, birth family since I was 1 years old, and my brother who I was adopted with has gone rogue and got married. Family is weird and complex and all round a mine feild sometimes.
I have 2 adult sons in their early 20s who are back living at home. I make them pay rent and food costs and I couldn't care less how much salt they put on their eggs, whether they're going to be eaten by a shark, or what they do for work. After hearing other peoples' experiences, I now feel like a shit parent...LOL
You both have soothing voices. ❤
Queening with the Queens themselves 👏🏽
I've been saying this since episode 1 (to myself) but there neeeeeds to be a follow up episode where you catch up on X number of stories that you talked about on the season!
Oh okay you've literally said you would ... 🎉
1:53 Homer Simpson said he wasn't a bath man, he was more a cologne man lol 😅 I've met a couple guys like that irl..... le sigh 🦨
This is going to sound callous, but with the first Leonard I would lay down some timelines for the parents. Make it clear that their relocation is *temporary* and discuss more long-term solutions should it become protracted. It sounds as if they have a support network, find out if they can chip in occasionally. Maybe look into hiring part time help.
As for the second Leonard, I wonder if the niece is attention seeking. Her parents are going through a divorce and the dad sounds pretty useless. Not that's up to the Leonard to take over the parenting. It'd be interesting to know if they have any contact with the girl's mother and what her parenting is like.
The young Leonard, it sounds like growing pains. They're restless and feel smothered by their parents, which I totally sympathise with. But at the end of the day it's best to try not to cut off potential sources of help and support. I would 100% reach out to the sister to see if she can help, even if it's just for venting sessions.
With the last Leonard, it sounds like a couple of conversations need to happen. Firstly, ascertain the nature of the ceremony to see whether or not her absence is a big deal. Secondly, to find out why her step sister doesn't tell her about important life events and explain that it feels hurtful that she think that Leonard doesn't care. It could be a simple case of miscommunication.
I love that you two thing negotiating with kids will work XD Ultimately children act badly, don't take this out on the kid. Your issue with with the husband/brother-in-law. Kids do dumb stuff, its expected. Edit: What I mean is that trying to use the kid to get back at the husband/brother-in-law is a stupid idea. Its like if you two are having dinner and Nova lets one of the cats eats Olympias dinner, and in revenge Olympia decides to get the cat to eat Nova's dinner. You arent teaching the cat just to eat one dinner, you're teaching the cat that eating someone elses food is ok and while you may be able to direct it that once instance, soon its going to be a problem for everyone. You cant teach a kid something is wrong by saying its fine in x,y,z case, because im assuming the kid is like 4 or something. Ultimately the one at fault is whomever is meant to be parenting the child, not the child itself. On a side note if you did do that and the dad reacts super badly, are you gonna then admit that you made the kid do it? It'd make you look deranged.
Also I agree with Nova, if you're an adult and are working then you should contribute to the general house expenses if you're asked to. Sure it will take you longer to save up to move out but as Nova rightly said, that is just part of being an adult. You either want to be an adult with all the privileges and responsibilities or you don't, in which case you do have to accept that it is their house, their rules. You can't have it both ways just because it will be more convenient to you because life isn't only around for our conveniences. Sometimes we do have to sacrifice one thing for another, even if that thing is being treated like a child in order to save money.
I really needed this today, I've been doing so bad mentally, thanks girls ❤
Unconditional love only applies to my pets
One singular Leonard, and i can't believe you used their real name
You just released this when I needed something to listen to! Thanks for talking my Leonadholes off! Much love ❣️
Living with your parents is always hard once you get to a certain age and all you want to do is rebel. Speaking to their parents sounds the most important thing here if it's causing anxiety. they need to explain to back off as this could make it a lot more complicated if they don't stop the pressure. Ask the doctor is there somewhere to refer them to. Are there any organisations over there that can help?
I was too busy wearing my relative’s makeup to butch ditching it down a drain.
Box lunch at the y? I’m shocked as a fellow lesbian I don’t even know this phrase
40:54 🤣🤣🤣
Omg not the memory card 😂😂😂
I am confused. I thought Megan was a sibling to Nova (from an old video) but if Nova has 2 siblings one that got married and the blond girl with boyfriend from the wedding. Is Megan just a friend then?
Megan is a close friend of ours that Olympia met at uni 💕
Can u plse talk bout how its 3 siblings & ur all gay.. thts awesome! How did ur parents take tht?
2/3 are gay
2/3 he said
I have a straight sister and a bisexual sister 💕
How many of us have started calling people "Leonard" now?
The secret wedding one im gonna say this.. and its only going off the dilemma… but her step sister obv doesnt think of her as being part of “her family” or as u called it “inner circle”. Sometimes u have to accept they dont like u or want u in their life as much as u want! Its their choice & nothing u do can change it. Its sad yes but, unpopular opinion here… its none of ur business what goes on in her life sorry. Step siblings i dont think are ever as close as blood related siblings so due to that distance it shows up in things like this! That sounded harsh i know but sometimes u do have to accept that ppl close in ur life do not think of u as highly as u do them
It’s actually crazy how many people hate their kids but pretend that they’re the best thing that ever happened to them.
The "women in STEM" joke is off. They have credentials.
After both my parents died, all my remaining relatives couldn't give a F**K about me, doesn't really bother me as if they're Homophobes W/E
Sounds like the wedding one is the step sister's family having a problem with her not being married before having a baby. I don't think it's all the step-sisters fault. Are they a traditional Christian family as it sounds like it. I think religion is playing a part here. As for your father and other members keeping it a secret it's simple. Confront them and ask them why they hid it from you and then tell them if you ever get married or are having a bay don't expect an invite. Turn the table round.
I LOVE the sound of your parents, Nova! I’m from a vegan family. If my kids grow up and start eating animal products though I will obviously disown them and spend their inheritance on myself 😊
Love hearing both your takes on Leonard(s) issues ❤
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This was both a relatable and anxiety-producing video for me. Traveling to see our families last month was mostly enjoyable. But it's also very stressful and overwhelming. We both literally bristle when asked how we enjoyed our "vacation." Excellent advice, gerls! I'm looking forward to the Leonard updates in a few weeks. 🖤💕🩷
Me, keeping this playing in the back while doing chores, not paying full attention.
Olympia: "And he never shat himself in our presence..."
Me: wait, that's a notable quality? what friend group is this about?? 🫤