Rope Walking Setup with Petzl Croll and Pantin (DRT) - Tree Climbing Arborist
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ROPE WALKING SETUP
I had to try out rope walking with two foot ascender! A Petzl Pantin and Petzl Croll which is attached to a foot loop. It's on double rope (2:1 DRT), which means that the draw back only provide half the ascent ...but on the other hand is the weight to be pulled is also the half. Check how the extra foot ascender was put together and see if it worked. WARNING: It´s not a life supporting device.
ROPE WALKING SETUP
Jeg skulle afprøve rope walking med 2 fod-ascender, en Petzl Pantin og en Petzl Croll som er fastgjort på en foot loop. Det er på dobbel reb (2:1 DRT), hvilket betyder at trækningen tilbage kun giver den halve opstigningen ...men på den anden side er den vægt der skal trækkes også det halve. Check hvordan den ekstra fod-ascender blev sat sammen og se om den fungerede. ADVARSEL: It´s not a life supporting device.
HARDWARE USED FOR EXTRA FOOT ASCENDER
Foot loop, Petzl Croll, Petzl Protec, Bungee, Mini Carabiner and Tie Wraps.
ALSO USED ON CLIMB
Lava® Surge® 11.5 mm tree climbing rope with Petzl ZIGZAG® mechanical prusik, 2013 TreeMotion Arborist Harness/ Saddle, Kask Super Plasma Climbing Helmet,, Petzl Pantin.
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Subject: Tree climbing, Rope walking setup, Rope walk, Rope walking technique, Double rope technique, Rope Ascending
Håber i poster flere videoer fremover. Det er høj klasse 👍👍👍
Tak Endelt1! ...håber også at der bliver mere tid til dette!
Hi soren , you should double the size of ur bungee take it over your left shoulder and clip it to a rear attachment on your harness, you'll find u get a lot better return on the knee ascender 😊
Sus vídeos son muy didácticos, para gente como yo que estamos comenzado en este bello oficio de arborista, gracias.
Gracias canrrolas! ¡mantenerse a salvo!
I bet you could hook the webbing to the lower hole of the Crowl and the bungee to the upper hole and have a much stronger knee climber.
I realize it’s not life support, but I’m to heavy for wire ties alone and it would stink if the ties broke half way up the rope. Great idea Soren, thanks for sharing.
Hi Michael ....it should be possible! Climb safe!
To achieve max elasticity, the bungee should be as long as possible. If you tie it too high, you don't get enough effect on the bungee!
I love you . Thanks great info
Thanks Christian Escobar!
thanks for this video, I've been thinking about setting this up for a while. great to see it in action.
Thanks Simon! It works fine, but the climb must be long before I use it and before there is considerable time to save! Stay safe!
Soren Satellit My elbows tell me I need to find alternative joints to do the bulk of ascending, I intend to set up something similar and use it often TBH. Keep innovating bro
Yes, elbows is very exposed after all the pulling! Temperature bath (shower) has helped me a lot when I have sore muscles or joints. During shower, the area is treated with hot and cold water. First shower the area with hot water and increase to the maximum temperature that you can tolerate. Once the joints and muscles is warmed up for about 3 minutes, suddenly change the water temperature to ice cold water for 1 minute. Repeat this 5-6 times or until the cold water feels less cold. The sooner you do this after hard work, the better it works. After work, I do this on arms and back as a regular part of my shower. Try, it actually works!
This is great, well done and thank you for sharing. God Bless
Made one! Testing it tomorrow..i wish there was a way 2 share pics
Looking forward to hearing if you got it up and running? Feel free to post pictures on my facebook wall!
rly awesome tutorial!
Thanks k4shmir!
Hi Søren, thanks again for a very educative video. My question is; Is this also possible just with the footloop? And no Petzl Protect and bungee?
Thank you,
Jeroen
Hi Jeroen! At a minimum, it requires a bungee, or else your croll will not be pulled up when you lift the foot. The bungee must be as long as possible to achieve sufficient effect and is therefore connected down at the foot. The Petzl protect must brace the system between croll and footloop, otherwise the foot loop will just bend when you draw your foot upwards.
Takk for en kjempegod ide👍
Ulf Sunde Takk Ulf !
surprised to see you rope walk on a ddrt,great little vid-really clear and consice on the knee ascender set up.does anyone hip thrust anymore????
Stephen Neeson Hey Stephen! Yes, one step forward although I take two (DRT 2:1), but on the other hand is the weight to be pulled also the half. A whole week with picking certified pine cones is waiting for me and therefore I have to find the most "energy efficient" (lazy) ascent. Yep, body-thrust is still solid learning at the College for Forestry.
@@SorenSatellit captain's here, more lazy ascent is by far rope walking, but in SRT, I just tried it last week.
Interesting video. Thanks, brother!
Dan Hargrave Thanks Dan!
Hi mate, what did you use to decend? The Petzl zigzag?
Hi Eson! Yes, Petzl ZIGZAG ....in my opinion, you do not get a better mechanical prusik!
wow nice video mate, i have subbed, keep them coming
Thanks mate!
Hi, can you tell me where or what is the bungee link you used. Thanks you.
Thanks a lot for the great tutorial!
I built this setup as it looks really nice but when I tested it the (upper) tie wrap snapped after a few steps on the way up.
Do you have any advice for that?
I thout I might try a thin 'climbing rope' instead... Do you think that might work? Or maybe both - tie wrap and rope?
Thanks a lot for your advice!
Hi Jens! Yes those tie wraps should be placed so they don't interfere with the rope track. Maybe it's the rope ... I use 11.5mm. Also notice, that there are two different crolls. I use the old version of Croll for 8-13 mm rope. The new is only 8-10 mm.
Can you explain how the bungie pulls the ascender up since it is attached to the footloop, not the ascender. What am I missing? Thanks.
Hi Chuckles! The connection between the foot loop and ascender is braced with PETZL protec, otherwise the foot loop will just bend when you draw your foot upwards.
Why ascend on a double rope system?
It takes twice as many steps as a single rope system.
Thanks Stig! It is true! But in many cases the ascend is less than 5% of the total time in the tree ... so there is not much time to save. In contrast, DRT (now called MRS / Moveable Rope Systems) is not only double rope but also twice as safe because the anchor point is only loaded with your own weight. In an SRT system (now SRS / Stationary Rope Systems) with anchoring at the bottom of the tree, the load of the branch is 2 x your weight. But in the end, it's all about what suits you best!
DK
Tak Stig! Det er sandt! Men i mange tilfælde er opstigningen under 5% af den samlede tid i træet ...så der er ikke meget tid at spare. Til gengæld er DRT ( nu kaldt MRS/Moveable Rope Systems) ikke bare dobbelt reb men også dobbelt så sikkert, fordi ankerpunket kun bliver belastet med dig egen vægt. I et SRT system (nu kaldt SRS / Stationary Rope Systems) med forankring i bunden af træet, er belæstningen af grenen 2 x din vægt. Men i sidste ende handler om hvad der passer dig bedst!
why dind you just bought the haas knee ascender with tre croll ascender and the petzl absorber protect and the other accessories you bought to maake your own knee ascender your pretty close to the haas price. just saying
Hi Jose! Your question makes sense and the explanation is that the pieces of equipment were something I already had! Stay Safe
but on the other side it is nice to create your own equipment. and i just find out the on the haas is hard to replace the bungee or it is just imposible so yeah i probably gonna do the same that you did. thanks for shearing your video. and yes always stay safe
@@JOEJOES4CR4 Thanks Jose!
Nice! Inspector Gadget...
Good stuff Soren, also a rainy day overthere?? Cheers from the Netherlands!
DUTCHHUSKY66 Thank Lars ...climb safe!
Soren Satellit Thanks mate, likewise!!
You trying to put me to sleep with this music? I feel like I'm on hold. 😴😂
Sorry Justin! Yes, brainwashing ... but at that time it was the only royalty free music I had:0(.
Today, I know some web sites with royalty free music, made in this century!
Eat your heart out. My 10 year old Mac comes with, both, volume AND mute control.
thanks awesome, doing this today
Thanks Penny ...climb safe!
what brand is foot loop? Thank you
Hi John! It's a former/old footloop from Petzl. The new "FOOTAPE" (www.petzl.com/INT/en/Professional/Rope-clamps/FOOTAPE) works in the same way, but otherwise they have also made a "Lower strap for KNEE ASCENT LOOP assembly" (https: //www.petzl.com/INT/en/Professional/Rope-clamps/Lower-strap-for-KNEE-ASCENT-LOOP-assembly) which also seem to be able to handle the task.
whats the ascender called, do you have a chest croll, is it a unisender, if not how do you descend? Ive done one today Ill post so you can comment I thkn Ill change it, I think the chest croll will be too restrictive
Hi Penny! I have almost always described all the equipment used in the text concerning the movie. I don't use chest croll or unisender in this setup ...as described, I use this:
HARDWARE USED FOR EXTRA FOOT ASCENDER
Foot loop, Petzl Croll, Petzl Protec, Bungee, Mini Carabiner and Tie Wraps.
ALSO USED ON CLIMB
Lava® Surge® 11.5 mm tree climbing rope with Petzl ZIGZAG® mechanical prusik, 2013 TreeMotion Arborist Harness/ Saddle, Kask Super Plasma Climbing Helmet,, Petzl Pantin.
Great vid! Would a HASS work the same as the device you've made?
+Luke Mason Thanks Luke! Yes, I believe HASS, SAKA or Systeme 3A will be pretty much the same .... though I haven't tried any of them. They are clearly much easier to set up and on Systeme 3A, the fiberglass connection between foot and knee seems to be more stiff and stable.
nice video. what kinda knot do u use to tie to the Caribbeaner i also use the zigzag. with a anchor knot. but knot gets in the way some times
Joshua Looney Thanks Joshua! Yes the Anchor Hitch is tied on the carabiner ...your need a knot on a bigth. I use figure 8 on a bight - it very easy to tie, inspect og untie after load.
Ok i know u can use a bowline but some people frown on it i do n enjoy your videos. I cant wait to get my camera. What video maker do u use
Joshua Looney No, a bowline can work itself loose! Use Bowline with Yosemite Tie-off ...especially when used in a LIFE SUPPORTING climbing system! Movies: I use QuickTime Pro a lot, sometimes iMovie and Photoshop for graphics. Climb safe!
Thanks now get out their and make some more videos. My lil girl will lay in the bed at night. And say. Daddy lets watch chain saw. Lol shes 3
Joshua Looney Great! She already knows what makes you say yes! Climb safely ... she needs you!
Foot loop must go in bottom of croll.😁
Sorry, Guy, but it seems that you are using clamps with an climbing rope. Climbing ropes are not made for using with rope clamps. You will destroy their 'mantel' which carries your weight. Ascending ropes carry your weight by their 'kern' and the 'mantel' is build for using clamp systems. Climb safe.
All ropes for professional tree climbing are constructed with a interior core (that carries your weight) and a exterior sheath, which protects the core from external influences ...like rope clamps!
What decender do you use?
+Martinz show Hi....it's the Pelzt Zigzig!
Dude, cut the music and slowly explain what you are doing!
Thanks Dennis! I try to do most of it in pictures ...so language doesn't become a barrier!
soren can you view my video on my fb page cant workout how to load it to you tube and comment
Hi Penny ... I don't find any movies on your fb? Climb safe!
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