2.8 TGV differences to a 300Tdi
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- The 2.8TGV is basically a 300Tdi on steroids. How much more power and torque does it produce?
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There's actually a 2.8TGV for sale on ebay that ends today: ebay.to/2W8KMun
I'm in Bristol and I would love to buy it if I had the cash just lying around. Darn it.
It sold for £3700
Thank you for letting me know. A good price!
Good video!
I fitted quite a few of these back in the day
Few problems I had with them was the clutch needed better clamping pressure - the STD 300Tdi clutch assembly just was not up to the job
M&D used to offer a 300Tdi radiator and intercooler with the kit but the radiator was too small for the 2.8 when pulling up long hills or working hard - I overcame this by fitting a stationary engine core to the Tdi rad tanks -25% more cooling
Parts - Only M&D had parts and they knew what to charge - I know there are common 300Tdi parts, but these were not really parts that would break - the blocks look like a 300 Tdi, but the entry for the cooling from pump to block was moved from the 1st cylinder to between the 2/3 cylinder for better cooling (hence the difference in the head water passage)
I had a turbo explode on one and that was a very expensive venture to fix - you cannot rebuild them - the vanes are ceramic coated and any damage renders the turbo scrap - so keep your air filter clean!
The oil filter is a bugger to change - a better idea would be a remote filter
A great improvement on the 300 Tdi but they were quite expensive - in 2003 the kit was £5000
They were fitted to the Ford Ranger in South America, but they could not come to the US for EPA regulations
A few engines did make it to the US but had to be designated for 'off road use only' Those that fitted them and used them on the road did so at their own risk! (Federal offence = jail time!)
Mike
Cheers Mike. Nice to hear about some of your experiences with them.
Can i use the same cylinderhead?
Really interesting video.
Perhaps the engine the Defender should have had.
I much prefer engines without computers controlling them. I know the tax laws meant 2.5 was always going to be the biggest in the UK but this would have been a great export engine.
Yeah me too. I know you can get more performance from ECU controlled engines, but i'm more interested in reliability. Not that electronic engines are always unreliable, but simplicity is something that can't be beaten
The other great non-electronic LR engine was the Isuzu 4BD1 3.9 litre which was fitted to Australian 110s and Australian Army Landies. This engine is the same as fitted to the NPR series of light trucks and has huge amounts of torque (spares are in abundance).
There's no replacement for displacement.... Thanks for the comment :)
Thank you Will, its been a lovely walk through. I wonder cooling setup differences in particular, like raditor cores, radiator size, thermostat opening temp, etc. Cheers
Thanks for your great video, just bought one here in South Africa, with no experience on them, I'm hoping it doesn't let me down. Would appreciate if I can get like a Manuel or specs catalog for it. Very exited though. Thanks for your video, made me buy the Landy....
That's great! I am also from South Africa and also looking to buy one in South Africa. How has it been so far? Where do you get spares for it?
Really interesting! Listening to the engine sound it can easily be mistaken for a 300TDI 😁 Is this also fitted with the R380 gearbox?
Yes it is. The R380 is named for being rated to 380Nm, and the 2.8TGV puts out 375Nm at peak...
Great overview of an amazing engine. I've put about 7k miles on mine so far with no problems. Fitted to a 110 with an Aschroft autobox.
Thanks Matthew. Good to hear. What type of use does the vehicle get?
@@lrworkshop I use it as my non-daily driver so it gets road use on the weekends and the occasional off-road park. The auto does zap some power out of the motor, but I play on installing a boost pin and diaphragm after I get my EGT gauge installed. The EGT is a little more difficult since there isn't a plate on the manifold like the 300tdi.
interesting..
I definitely would like to see and learn more about this engine.
MY rover currently has an 2.5 NA and been thinking on what engine to upgrade too 200TDI or 300TDI
and what I want more is a reliable engine none problematic and easy to work on..
I think even going to a 300Tdi would blow your mind by comparison. The 300Tdi is perfectly capable of highway cruising, but can't push you into your seat when accelerating like modern diesels can. 200Tdis have similar power but it was only built for 4 years whereas the 300Tdi was built for 12, so spares are more readily available.
@@lrworkshop Thank you for the info
@@lrworkshoppeac on you brother
Is R380 = 43d ? And the lt77 =20d
Or dose the gearbox have anything to do with the 43d and 20d ratio
Im obsessed now. More bhp than a 1HZ 😍. I need one
Thanks for your info of 2.8TGV engine ( this 2.8TGV from discovery/ range rover ? )
I just setup my slot to have a 300tdi / 2.8l swapped into my Truck. Going broke for it but hope it's well worth in the long run
That's a variable nozzle turbo. You can tell by the angle at which the actuator attaches to the turbo. If it's at 90 degree to the turbo shaft, it's a variable nozzle. If its line with the turbo shaft it's connected to a waste gate. That goes for all turbos not just these engines
I have one of these, and not worth the $$$ IMO. They do have better timing gears like the 200Tdi. The alternators are one off and no other replacement available. The VNT turbo varibale vanes can be prone to caking up and breaking the linkage from the pressure actuator. Its not just the cooling system that is underdone on a Defender, but the intercooling is way underdone for 20psi. Intercooling plays an important roll in head temps and therefor engine temps. I had a 300TDI that had fuel mods, exhaust upgrade and the 2.8 was not the big difference the internet makes. I tow'd daily 1.8t and both were sub par.
i'm fiting one of these power stroke 2.8 in my series IIA 88, without moving the grill, the gear box is the LT77 with the short bell. also it has range rover classic suspention and disc brakes in the four wheels. any extra issue i will know in few months when its done lol.
And now any problems?
@@piersyoung4957 I had to make space for the exhaust and the new gearbox, so I had to redo part of the floor and transmission tunnel, not big deal, after all it is a very good engine, it feels stronger than the 300TDI no problems at the moment
Very interesting, keep up the great work!
Thanks Chazni
The alternator with the vacuum pump in the back is actually great since it replaces the old unreliable vacuum pump that had to be replaced every other uear
Thanks for the video BTW 😅
Any ideas of the other types of vehicles these tgvs were fitted??
I’ve still got a completely NEW one standing for my project off road rallyraid Defender. 😂. Brilliant engine!! Just installed a double alternator from gwynlewis on the place of this aircon unit for the 3 winches. The engine has only the factory run time. Thanks for your upload.
Nice! That'll be fun
Thank you bro for posting
Great description thank you.........do you know if the timing belt change is the same as it is on the 300tdi??
I've not done it but it probably is. The parts are mostly the same: www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-rover-defender-engine/2.8-tgv-hs-mwm-international/timing-belt
I’m sure I’ve seen an alternator carcass that’s identical to the tgv. Is possibly similar to a Toyota
Quite possibly. Mine is a BOSCH F 000 LD0 119
I got a friend with maxion Brazil engine and we want to out it in a Ford ranger. But looking for a transmission and what size clutch to use?
In the Defender it was fitted to the R380 gearbox, with a 235mm diameter clutch plate, or the heavy duty version was 242mm diameter www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-rover-defender-engine/300tdi/flywheel-clutch_53182#14
Thanks for the video Will. I always liked the idea of this engine, it seemed to offer it all, based on the well loved 300 Tdi motor but giving basically more of a good thing, I was tempted on several occasions... but availability of both the engine and spares scared me and guessing many more too.. Not to mention the "high torque" knock on effect to the transmission. Cheers Wayne.
I'd love to spend more time getting to know a Td5. They seem to be very versatile engines. It's good to know your thoughts seeing as you've got so many :)
I had no knowledge of land rovers before i bought mine. I was told mine had a 300TDi. In all the videos i watched on upgrading/fixing, I thought my engine looked a little wrong. But thanks to your video i now know i own this gem of an engine. Must say it's a pleasant surprise.
Nice one Nick. What type of vehicle is it?
1998 Defender. Setting it up to go touring around Australia
Nice use of the Ineos Grenadier symbol as an arrow in your video.
heh it's just a default arrow in the software I use. Maybe they have the same?!?
Does the 300 tdi have the same injectors as the 2.8tgv?
mack cartagena no, they are different
i never even knew this engine existed in the UK!
Can i use the same cylinderhead?
They will fit each other. Supposedly the 2.8 has extra cooling waterways in the head, and may or may not do in the block 🤷♀️, so it may be possible to fit a 2.8 head to a 300Tdi and not the other way round