NEW Deathwatch Index - Black Spear Detachment Review - Grotmas 2024

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  • @jeremylarson7117
    @jeremylarson7117 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    Kraken Rounds strat unlocks Melta for the melta rifles when they deep strike.

    • @adamshumate8858
      @adamshumate8858 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah thats actually so powerful

    • @Kakusandan
      @Kakusandan 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Those s11 melta? Mmm

    • @alexrowson-brown6568
      @alexrowson-brown6568 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah you use the enhancement for free ingress
      Pick ‘em up with strat, fre eingress them, move, kill

    • @prestonjohnson1537
      @prestonjohnson1537 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And gives them ap-5

  • @chinaman8888
    @chinaman8888 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    "Effort was put into this document"...We were fearing this would not be the case! Christmas came early brothers!!!!

  • @TheSniperGTO
    @TheSniperGTO 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    This is great. I’ve been playing 40K for 30 years. I have 19 armies, and recently painted a couple thousand points of Deathwatch…just in time for GW to squat them 2 weeks after I finished. Made me pretty angry. Now, I can play them again as something other than Imperial Agents.

  • @tacticalmelons4398
    @tacticalmelons4398 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Died 2023 born 2024 welcome back mixed killteams

  • @im2randomghgh
    @im2randomghgh 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Did you guys notice that the fortis bolters are also -2 and lethal?

    • @novembermike512
      @novembermike512 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      And they get two grenade launchers. A 10 man squad can have a sergeant with fist and plasma pistol (to die if you roll overheat), 2 improved bolt rifles and grenade launchers, 4 hellblasters, 2 desos and a flamer. That's pretty much all stuff you want.

  • @catherinedalzell3183
    @catherinedalzell3183 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    This is great. I planned to start a Deathwatch army in 10th edition but was discouraged by the rules. This is looking good. Thanks for the commentary.

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The rules are worse than before actually. The detachment rule, and most stratagems got nerfed. The units have good rules but are all 20-30 points overcosted. Also used to be able to take kill teams in smaller units. Now most of them are fixed at 10.

    • @d-rex7043
      @d-rex7043 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bah Humbug! 🕯️👘👴🏻

    • @Dokubus
      @Dokubus วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dras-pv8qv yes but they're back now (so better than not having them be legal) and the changes that make them worse also discourage meta chasers, so we should have less bandwagoning too. Win win

  • @Morathiiii
    @Morathiiii 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Get you someone that looks at you the way John looks at Seegs when he starts talking about plasma overcharge

  • @DGkiller1994
    @DGkiller1994 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    one thing you missed all the bolt rifles are strength 5, +1ap and have lethal hits in the kill teams compared to there regular versions

  • @im2randomghgh
    @im2randomghgh 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks for this! Deathwatch pulled me back into the game at the start of 10th after having quit during 6e, and losing them was a real kick in the teeth. Nice to see them back!

    • @d-rex7043
      @d-rex7043 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I bought Leviathan, grabbed the CP and a few packs of upgrades, paints, etc... and then came the ominous disturbance in the vibefield. ...
      Finally, 18 months later, it's time to take clipper to sprue!

  • @DaltynWentz
    @DaltynWentz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Can someone explain to me how the detachment rule is allowed to affect all space marine units when it says “that Mission Tactic
    is active and its effects apply to all units from your
    army with this ability.” And only the deathwatch units have that ability on their datasheet? I haven’t seen anyone else mention it and want to know if I am missing something about the wording.

  • @Thendorin
    @Thendorin 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Thanks for the review! This index was waaaay better than I was hoping for. Actually playable now!

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Detachment rule and most stratagems are worse than the original index actually.

  • @Schmuvness
    @Schmuvness 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Those Deathwatch Bolt rifles/heavy bolt rifles/heavy bolter are seriously good und i feel you underrated them a little in your video. I mean a 270 pts 10 dude gravis kill team is all killer no filler that you also can uppy downy if i am not mistaken. S 11 meltas, S6 Boltstorm or flamestorm + S7 Bolt weapons with lethals and ap2....of course they're gonna get some kind of special rounds for ignores cover or whatever...
    i mean it's 27 pts a model....colour me interested or rather GIVE IT TO ME!

  • @johnnywatkins
    @johnnywatkins 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love watching John trying to be patient getting the boring stuff out of the way before getting to the parts he’s actually excited for!! Thanks for the content guys

  • @BoneTrait
    @BoneTrait 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Also, I am a Corvus Blackstar apologist. The way I like to see it, it’s a faster Repulsor, which can get real funny real fast.

  • @damiencooper
    @damiencooper 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    wait, I was really excited about that one but am I correct that ONLY the datasheets in the index profit from the mission rule? No other Adeptus Astartes Units have the "mission tactics" keyword. So vehicles, centurion devastators etc don't profit from the dettachment rule at all

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      correct. 99% of everyone, including art of war, missed this part. The whole army benefited from the detachment rule. Not anymore

    • @damiencooper
      @damiencooper 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ that makes deathwatch way way worse than before

    • @paranelmanterlyzastratatum885
      @paranelmanterlyzastratatum885 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I doubt that won't be corrected in the faq tbh

    • @damiencooper
      @damiencooper 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ same. But as it stands right now

  • @mortenbrandtjensen6470
    @mortenbrandtjensen6470 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This seems cool. Though I would have wished for a 5-man phobos team.
    I really like how this feels like an elite infantry force when building the force, opposed to the simplified Codex SM.

  • @jonathanhaynes9914
    @jonathanhaynes9914 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thanks John and Seigs

  • @treydudley7966
    @treydudley7966 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    great breakdown. other big channels (not naming names) missed some very important details

  • @nurglematthew893
    @nurglematthew893 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks foe the reviews, Team

  • @Johnnymarzo
    @Johnnymarzo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Gravis cpt + 6 eradicators with deepstrike. Pop kraken rounds...now out of deepstrike you get melta 2

    • @georgehutley
      @georgehutley 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You can't use kraken on a eradicator unit. Only use SIA strat on a killteam

    • @Johnnymarzo
      @Johnnymarzo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @georgehutley ah I see that now. Boo

  • @kaneda58911
    @kaneda58911 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Indomitor kill team seems bonkers . 4 s11 melta shots, 4 7-2-2 bolters, 6 7-2-3 lethal sustained heavy bolters, a bunch of s6 twin linked aggressor shots is ALOT a fire power with some melee to back it. Also being able to deep strike into melta range with +1 ap and lethal or sustained with the detachment rule and kraken rounds PLUS OATH. We COULD be one shotting land raiders and c'tan out of deep stirke 😅 with reasonable rolls. Am I reading this wrong?

  • @Antnerd
    @Antnerd 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    22:59 Is that the first unit in the game that has that interaction come up? - Different KINDs of hazardous weapons, so different 'value' for failed tests.

  • @Xynth25
    @Xynth25 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Deathwatch is the fluffy army I'm slowly building up, but the fluffy rules now havw teeth. I'm 100% looking at two Talonstrike teams with a Captain now. I really like the gravis brick, too.

  • @alexrowson-brown6568
    @alexrowson-brown6568 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fortis KT is 2 superkrak misisles, 4 plasma incinerators, fill with intercessions because the bolt rifle they have is S5 ap2 dam1 plus 2 grenade launchers on the rifles because more krak
    Indomnitor is dope though…that with a gravis cap for free strats it’s heavy intercessions and 3 eradicator a so 2 dw heavy bolter, a bunch of heavy bolt rifles, 2 melta and 1 MM, this probably doesn’t need the shooting buffs so does free pick up strat.
    I’d use the shooting buffs on fortis KT with watchmaster
    I think the jump pack kill team is a trap though, 5 plasma is nice yes as is the assault bolters with ap strat but overall… no as the fortis and indomnitor are better and will just kill what they shoot at so you shouldn’t necessarily have anything to charge but you could deepstrike them have a chaplain with the free ingress bring em in to setup a free fuck one unit in particular I guess but then you need to think what are my primary scoring units if I’ve got 3 kill stuff units

  • @jaegerbomb269
    @jaegerbomb269 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Good to have the Deathwatch back. Hope they get something new... in 11th edition. lol

  • @jeremiegartner464
    @jeremiegartner464 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Some of those kill teams in another detachment are scary with those weapon buffs

  • @redrum923
    @redrum923 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    will u make the picture behind you come true, and give us tau vs dw?

  • @scruffyarms
    @scruffyarms 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Now this is a spicy meatball :) happy to see this looks like what Deathwatch should be

  • @alexrowson-brown6568
    @alexrowson-brown6568 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like th Phobos KT a lot, the upp down is going to be very nice scoring wise and with a WM with that enhancement they can just come back for free ingress not get killed and go score more VP
    Or you can use it on the gravis KT, that looks like a lot of damage from s11 meltas and the rest
    Like this looks so nice

    • @dalecherrier3930
      @dalecherrier3930 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      WM can only join Fortis and Veterans

    • @alexrowson-brown6568
      @alexrowson-brown6568 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @ ok a captain then but weird they won’t let a watch master be part of deathwatch units

    • @dalecherrier3930
      @dalecherrier3930 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@alexrowson-brown6568 wholly agreed. Especially since Calgar can attach to damn near the entire codex

  • @isaachaahr8691
    @isaachaahr8691 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And the “inceptor” kill team can get another ap with the special ammunition. So ap 5 plasma is something coming.

  • @javanrhodes5951
    @javanrhodes5951 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Soooo pumped. We're back!

  • @kevingudino6734
    @kevingudino6734 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sorry dumb question can I take 5 man teams on the kill teams or do they hav to be 10 and if so does it reduce the cost?plz help

  • @cruzrice1610
    @cruzrice1610 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So what units are you allowed to field?

  • @2008MustangFan
    @2008MustangFan 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m excited to get this on the table

  • @DutyCasuals
    @DutyCasuals 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can someone explain why the teleporting strat isnt just worded, at the end of your opponents turn? I'm trying to figure if theres any pro to it being end of your opponents fight phase?

    • @dalecherrier3930
      @dalecherrier3930 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Scoring purposes. Very niche but that's a difference

  • @TheSaultiest
    @TheSaultiest 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    everybody keep in mind that ONLY deathwatch units get mission tactics. Your regular marine datasheets will NOT get it.

  • @brothertobias
    @brothertobias 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is some really good stuff. May your vigil never end!

  • @XHobbiesPrime
    @XHobbiesPrime 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't know what the rest of my list is going to look like but it is starting with 3 Indomitor Kill Teams

  • @BokoaChocobo
    @BokoaChocobo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hey, just a bit of feedback I usually watch your content 2nd monitor but volume of the videos is really low, could you increase it so we can control with the youtube volume slider accordingly?

  • @brandtdrake2231
    @brandtdrake2231 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yes, deathwatch is back. 🎉It is actually playable. Guys thank you. So would anybody take a landraider with thise army?

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Playable? You do realize the detachment rule and most stratagems got nerfed right? I mean the datasheets look nice.

    • @dalecherrier3930
      @dalecherrier3930 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dras-pv8qvhaving rules vs not existing. Hmmmmm

  • @chemonized
    @chemonized 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    could you do a layover of the things you go through next time please

  • @alexrowson-brown6568
    @alexrowson-brown6568 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kill teams are 10 models, the points says only 10s except terminators

  • @BoneTrait
    @BoneTrait 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We are so back.

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      With a nerfed detachment rule and most stratagems worse than before. Data sheets look good though

    • @BoneTrait
      @BoneTrait 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ honestly, I like the detachment more than I did before, if nothing else than the fact that the Kill Teams are actually usable.

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BoneTrait That's fair. The unit rules are good. No question. Just the detachment got worse. So I would probably go with Gladius Task Force.

    • @BoneTrait
      @BoneTrait 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ competitively, I agree. I think the detachment is very much in the vein of something like Firestorm where it’s very usable, just not as good as other options (mainly Gladius).

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BoneTrait Firestorm is a nice idea. Strength 12 meltas sound nice lol.

  • @jmmllr
    @jmmllr 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The army rule doesn't include oath of moment?

    • @alexandersmith1264
      @alexandersmith1264 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      You are a marine army, so you get it

    • @jmmllr
      @jmmllr 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Shouldn't it be outlined in the army rules section then? Like it is for every other subfaction?​@@alexandersmith1264

    • @catherinedalzell3183
      @catherinedalzell3183 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's on the cards. They get Oath.

    • @jmmllr
      @jmmllr 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@catherinedalzell3183 ahh,there it is. Sweet.

  • @davidbrown8372
    @davidbrown8372 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Copy and Paste running rampant in 10th I seem
    Another lethal or sustained yayy

  • @Flannelss
    @Flannelss 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    wow good video wow

  • @scottspalding3360
    @scottspalding3360 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My hand is sore from all the thumbs up going to your channel.

  • @sneedfest3399
    @sneedfest3399 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Mmmm spoilers time

  • @thelegendsmith3063
    @thelegendsmith3063 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Here to say thank you for stating facts grey knights over costed as fk

  • @thelegendsmith3063
    @thelegendsmith3063 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    10 guys 270 cries In grey knights

  • @eggsmaledict
    @eggsmaledict 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Balance Dataslate still lists Black Spear and limits the ammo strats to Bolt Weapons. Hopefully it changes but for now Hellfire, Kraken and Dragonfire are all limited to bolt weapons.

    • @trentathawat6714
      @trentathawat6714 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good point, but new dataslate drops next week. I guess we'll see if that text box is present?

    • @eggsmaledict
      @eggsmaledict 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Yeah hopefully they take that out and see how it goes for a bit.

  • @AnnaFianna
    @AnnaFianna 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Eck-TOC-led-ees.

  • @nickherting4698
    @nickherting4698 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    gaming

  • @dras-pv8qv
    @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The detachment rule got nerfed which a lot of people missed (I believe this video as well). In the original index the entire army benefited from the tactics. Now only those units that have the "Mission Tactics" ability, which is literally only the units in the index. So all units you draw from the space marines codex will not get the benefits. Major nerf from before.

    • @d-rex7043
      @d-rex7043 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      What units do you think this affects? Characters, vehicles, ...? I think a lot of points will be eaten up by DW Termis and KTs.

  • @im2randomghgh
    @im2randomghgh 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One difference: the precision hits triggered on critical wounds previously

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      no it didn't it was always critical hits

    • @im2randomghgh
      @im2randomghgh 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @dras-pv8qv not true. Even the current xenos hunters detachment for imperial agents still triggers the precision on critical wounds. It should always have been critical hits but wasn't.

    • @MrChiefchili
      @MrChiefchili 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@im2randomghgh The original BSTF had precision on critical hits.

  • @REEDSOF9
    @REEDSOF9 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe you could do an army painter speedpaint tutorial on how to paint a deathwatch killteam. A lot of us now want to learn to speed paint black armour