Spoon fed baby caveman here, just wanted to say thanks for all the videos on Maplestory. I tried to “pull up” to tell you on twitch, but couldn’t get through all the ads. So I figured I’d say it here, thanks man.
When showing off the costs, I should say always always always use more trials, even if it takes longer to load, 1 million trials based on the law of large numbers will be a much more accurate representation of the data than 1,000 trials. There will be a lot less overall variance in terms of the sample size, so long term you will get way more accurate results MathBro's model uses a markov chain because the math itself to get exact results is a very complicated mathematical model, so to mitigate that, a markov chain will estimate the model, and the more trials the closer to the same results you'll get. At the same time you dont need to run 1 billion trials because as you run more trials there is a diminishing increase in terms of accuracy but takes much less run time to do if you do less trials. So that is the trade-off. 1 million trials is perfect as it takes a minute or two to load, if you run it again with the same amount of trials you will get pretty much the same numbers in the results (To sum it up, there is a far much more likely chance of rolling 400,000-600,000 heads in a coin toss of 1 million trials (basically almost nearly 100% chance) than rollings 4-6 heads with only 10 trials (which is only about a 65% chance))
Really nice to see you telling people to settle at 21 instead of the usual send it to 22 most people say. The 22 or trace mentality a lot of mappers have is so annoying
Awesome videos man, I've only got enough to (hopefully) 21 a CRA piece this SSF but I'll keep all of this in mind the next time this event rolls around.
Just hit 260 on my dual blade! Your vids inspired me to come back to the game and I've had so much fun over the last few weeks progressing. Got CRA set and abso shoulder to 18 stars and spend less than 2b :)
1 of the main factor for 21 is that you can get twice as many pieces to 21 than you would get at 22.....10 pieces at 21 > 5 pieces at 22.....huge power difference be settling for 1 star lower while simultaneously powering up everything
After watching your video before Ssf event I could rethink the items priority due to lack of time to get enough mesos after the first Ssf event. However, I managed to gain 6 items 22* with 14B. Thebest part Weapon hit 22* on the first attempt, my hat at the 3 attempt the rest between 10 and 15, (with maybe 1 item taking 20 attempts). Plus, only pants bumped 3 times xD. Btw I have to say this is my second event, started play again in August after 10 years away.
Damn I got from 17* on everything to 21* cra, 19* gollux and 19* arcane with like 13b, also had some spare money to 17* some of my farming gear. Thanks for all the advice duky :)
my first 20 to 21 is CRA pant and you know what it booms on the first try lmao since then I've been settled on 20 stars on all of my gears and my long-term plan is bring all of my equipment to 20 stars before tapping them all to 21, then 22 I don't have many resources and my cp is not very high (I am barely able to solo HLoDa) so I can't boom 1 single piece or else I can't solo them anymore
I managed to get 21 star sub gollux ring by transferring it form a 22 star kanna ring (still have like 10 spares), and managed to get my secondary to 21 stars (i play Dual Blade). As i am a very conservative player, i have stopped at 21 stars for all my items, what are your thoughts on keeping the 21's, and building a second new item to try to push for 22 stars instead of risking a boom on my current gear?
I hit 3 dreamy belts & 1 ET booms 😔 Love your point about not hitting 22 when it doesn’t change the bosses i’m already clearing, helping me cope lmao. All good tho, I got lucky last ssf, just part of the game. You win some you lose some
"22 or trace" culture is like a streamer virus. It's fun to watch someone boom or hit 22s on stream but this has probably ruined a lot of new player progression. The "22 or trace" peer pressure from the community has lowkey probably caused more players to quit because they don't end up hitting. It's not the streamer's fault because they're probably at a point in their progression where it really is 22 or trace, but like Duky says so many baby viewers nowhere near that level of progression are probably griefing themselves trying to copy them.
It's crazy that I am giga unlucky and I really don't fit the criteria you're putting forward. I only SF on Events, I only go for tier ups on events, I am very careful with my gear and don't follow the stupid mantra of "22 or trace". I only do things when I have back ups, when I have enough meso for what the SF or Cube calculator says the high end outliers will be, and I have quite literally beaten those curves by a lot. MathBro's Cubing Calculator says 2 Line Drop is 95% Chance with 56,846,700,000 meso and I spent over 85b and I never saw two line drop. I didn't even see 2 Line hybrid. Spent over 150b on CRA gear, carefully using the roulette method to get to 22*. If you look, it's about 35b a piece. So like yeah, there are genuinely giga unlucky people, I'm one of them, but I stay grinding and hopeful that one day, I'll hit the curve and I'll be so unbelievably lucky that it balances out if you put it on a chart. This isn't copium, I swear.
Update: took mules don't struggle to the max, got An eye patch drop on a Shadower mule, it 22*d right away, then when I used a unique scroll on it, it literally revealed 10/10/7 LUK. While not my main, this was undeniably super lucky. I can't complain anymore.
Thanks for the video, Duky!When do I safeguard an item? For instance, if u boom the superior ring from 20 to 21, u go back to 12, right? And for the belt is even more confusing to me. I boom, I am back to 12 then should take PB belt to 21 again to transfer?
I'd rather hope nexon takes the suggestion someone made that starforce should have an option that ensures a 100 percent chance of upgrading your equipment, but at 7-10 times the original starforce cost up to 20 stars. I believe ms2 did something similar to that.
I wouldn't mind if they increase the meso cost or even lower the success rate, but the thing that they should revome is booming, that is the cancer of the game
If my gear is generally just 15-17 star, how do i get up to 21 star safely? Are there any tips and tricks for that? Or is it just straight tapping during events til you reach it? Arcane Gear and Sup. Gollux gear. Should I be safeguarding the arcane and sup gollux accessories?
Tap CRA to 20 one piece at time, for Gollux, if you don't have coins for spares, you could tap a lvl 140 gear to 21 then transfer to sup Gollux and settle at 20
@@IIEstevaoxII How does that spares thing work? If I boom, I use the clean spare to revive it, but do the stars remain the same, or do the stars start all over? For example, I boom 17 star to 18, will it stay at 17 star after I revive it?
For AbsoLab equips for example i have to put 22 stars with all my luck? 😂 and pray for it Dont get destroyed since i can’t transfer stars from any lvl 150 equips?
0:30 How dare you spy on me and tell everyone exactly what I did! Jokes aside, I kinda don't trust that calculator because 2 SSFs ago I dumped 10b and didn't get a single 20* CRA...
25 or so booms and well over 20b meso trying to get my cra top to 22 it was an annoying shining event for me that time i got alot of other items to 22 tho including a ET so i couldnt really complain
I personally never safeguard unless I’m just trying to stop a mule at 17 stars and don’t want to get spares, or if I boomed all my spares and just wanna bring it back to 17
With that many spares, yeah you should be fine to not guard for 21s (imo you should guard anyways and just go for 22s with that many spares, the meso is worth less than the arcane dupes)
Me as a mid-late game player who saved 100bil since the last ssf, boomed most of my spares from 16-19 and only got my slime ring to 22*, Starforce system sucks man, no one likes it
From my experience, it is very enough. But still your luck might run out. 21 cra is about 5bil a piece. You even might get it on multiple characters. Good luck
@@LittleJinsoyun welcome to maple bro, hahaha. At 15 and 20 stars you are safe from downgrading, but ur not safe from booming except at 15-17 if you safeguard
how about to increase each equipment by +1* ? like Hat 18* then Top 18* then Bottom 18* then you go on 19* 19* 19* then 20* 20* 20* ( Maximum ) What do you think ☠?
Statistically, you have enough money (I'm assuming spares aren't a problem here since it's cra) to get at least 2 of your CRA to 22. But there might be cheaper gains elsewhere (getting 18 on all your other items, etc), instead of brute forcing 22 stars. I would definitely get them all to 21, since it's so cheap, then see where else you can get gains from (getting 21 on your superior gollux with spares; 17 > 19 on your other equips with spares, etc) before I even think about 22 CRA. That's just my opinion though. At the end of the day, it's your money.
any professional maplers in the comments section know if safeguarding or no? got 4 dom pendants, 1 sup gollux pendant 1 KT 3 sup gollux belt and heaps of reinforces would you safeguard any or maybe straight tap the sup belt cus i got 3? new player btw thanks for awesome video !
For gollux belt/earrings you can tap the reinforced belt/earrings to 21/22 and then transfer it to your sup and either settle at 21/20 or go for 22. For gollux pendant u can use dom pendants to transfer and for gollux ring , u use KTs or meister rings to transfer :)
The sup spares are for if it booms going from 21/20 -> 22. Pendant and ring are harder because u need the coins to get spares so u have to keeo doing gollux runs for a bit haha
It's true 90% of the time I have quit this game is because of the bullsht rates, like jfc I'll just be trying to toss some 70% scrolls on an alt and have 9 out of 10 fail and it's fk off Nexon. Reg server will probably be a flop for me but I haven't played reboot since Sengoku High so I only have gains for reboot since all my gear is 10 to 12 star tops.
@@fabuloushostess6171 Yeah the rates are nothing more then a number the post on your screen. I've been playing this game since 2006 and it's bs. Wouldn't put it passed me to think that Nexon probably has a system where you have to spend a certain amount of mesos before it starts paying out. They do have a patent that decreases rates of gacha items if they are paying out too often afterall.
Spoon fed baby caveman here, just wanted to say thanks for all the videos on Maplestory. I tried to “pull up” to tell you on twitch, but couldn’t get through all the ads. So I figured I’d say it here, thanks man.
That haircut fills up my hayato gauge
🥰🥰🥰
When showing off the costs, I should say always always always use more trials, even if it takes longer to load, 1 million trials based on the law of large numbers will be a much more accurate representation of the data than 1,000 trials. There will be a lot less overall variance in terms of the sample size, so long term you will get way more accurate results
MathBro's model uses a markov chain because the math itself to get exact results is a very complicated mathematical model, so to mitigate that, a markov chain will estimate the model, and the more trials the closer to the same results you'll get.
At the same time you dont need to run 1 billion trials because as you run more trials there is a diminishing increase in terms of accuracy but takes much less run time to do if you do less trials. So that is the trade-off. 1 million trials is perfect as it takes a minute or two to load, if you run it again with the same amount of trials you will get pretty much the same numbers in the results
(To sum it up, there is a far much more likely chance of rolling 400,000-600,000 heads in a coin toss of 1 million trials (basically almost nearly 100% chance) than rollings 4-6 heads with only 10 trials (which is only about a 65% chance))
Really nice to see you telling people to settle at 21 instead of the usual send it to 22 most people say. The 22 or trace mentality a lot of mappers have is so annoying
Awesome videos man, I've only got enough to (hopefully) 21 a CRA piece this SSF but I'll keep all of this in mind the next time this event rolls around.
i spent 200b this SSF and i didnt hit ANYTHING... I am dooming and I am done I quit!
W
see you next ssf
No you are not, now go pop 4 waps.
I spent 100 TRILLIONS this SSF and I didnt hit 22 on my cra< now I quit!!!111 /s
@ only? now double it and give to the next person
Just hit 260 on my dual blade! Your vids inspired me to come back to the game and I've had so much fun over the last few weeks progressing. Got CRA set and abso shoulder to 18 stars and spend less than 2b :)
That's just as I do! Thanks for the tips. Everyone should do it. This is the smart way of mapling nowadays
0:13 brother is talking about me
thanks coming up with the vid and tips on settlings on 20/21. but I landed on the worst luck side, 40b to 22 star a CRA hat :)
1 of the main factor for 21 is that you can get twice as many pieces to 21 than you would get at 22.....10 pieces at 21 > 5 pieces at 22.....huge power difference be settling for 1 star lower while simultaneously powering up everything
"cries"..38M destroyed for only 2 pieces to 21 stars and 6 dominator exploded
another day, another video from duky and another banger
I got 6 22*s and a 21* ET in 35b all because of this video. Thank you my dukygoat
Hair cut is fresh my guy. You look full on authentic latino now 😂. A1 video as usual.
After watching your video before Ssf event I could rethink the items priority due to lack of time to get enough mesos after the first Ssf event. However, I managed to gain 6 items 22* with 14B. Thebest part Weapon hit 22* on the first attempt, my hat at the 3 attempt the rest between 10 and 15, (with maybe 1 item taking 20 attempts). Plus, only pants bumped 3 times xD.
Btw I have to say this is my second event, started play again in August after 10 years away.
Damn I got from 17* on everything to 21* cra, 19* gollux and 19* arcane with like 13b, also had some spare money to 17* some of my farming gear. Thanks for all the advice duky :)
wish this video came out sooner man like last starforce event 😭
my first 20 to 21 is CRA pant and you know what
it booms on the first try lmao since then I've been settled on 20 stars on all of my gears and my long-term plan is
bring all of my equipment to 20 stars before tapping them all to 21, then 22
I don't have many resources and my cp is not very high (I am barely able to solo HLoDa) so I can't boom 1 single piece or else I can't solo them anymore
thx for your content I'm going thru this right now!
I managed to get 21 star sub gollux ring by transferring it form a 22 star kanna ring (still have like 10 spares), and managed to get my secondary to 21 stars (i play Dual Blade).
As i am a very conservative player, i have stopped at 21 stars for all my items, what are your thoughts on keeping the 21's, and building a second new item to try to push for 22 stars instead of risking a boom on my current gear?
I hit 3 dreamy belts & 1 ET booms 😔 Love your point about not hitting 22 when it doesn’t change the bosses i’m already clearing, helping me cope lmao. All good tho, I got lucky last ssf, just part of the game. You win some you lose some
"22 or trace" culture is like a streamer virus. It's fun to watch someone boom or hit 22s on stream but this has probably ruined a lot of new player progression. The "22 or trace" peer pressure from the community has lowkey probably caused more players to quit because they don't end up hitting.
It's not the streamer's fault because they're probably at a point in their progression where it really is 22 or trace, but like Duky says so many baby viewers nowhere near that level of progression are probably griefing themselves trying to copy them.
Ayo sick fade! but still thanks for your content.
Hit my first 22 today got my KT to 21 sup ring to 21 CRA’s 21-22 was good day. Tenks habibi
My boom to hit ratio for 21* was 7.5 this event
It's crazy that I am giga unlucky and I really don't fit the criteria you're putting forward. I only SF on Events, I only go for tier ups on events, I am very careful with my gear and don't follow the stupid mantra of "22 or trace". I only do things when I have back ups, when I have enough meso for what the SF or Cube calculator says the high end outliers will be, and I have quite literally beaten those curves by a lot. MathBro's Cubing Calculator says 2 Line Drop is 95% Chance with 56,846,700,000 meso and I spent over 85b and I never saw two line drop. I didn't even see 2 Line hybrid. Spent over 150b on CRA gear, carefully using the roulette method to get to 22*. If you look, it's about 35b a piece. So like yeah, there are genuinely giga unlucky people, I'm one of them, but I stay grinding and hopeful that one day, I'll hit the curve and I'll be so unbelievably lucky that it balances out if you put it on a chart. This isn't copium, I swear.
Update: took mules don't struggle to the max, got An eye patch drop on a Shadower mule, it 22*d right away, then when I used a unique scroll on it, it literally revealed 10/10/7 LUK. While not my main, this was undeniably super lucky. I can't complain anymore.
resisting tapping 20 to 21 is harder than 21 to 22 !
thanks, got it 12 or 22
Thanks for the video, Duky!When do I safeguard an item? For instance, if u boom the superior ring from 20 to 21, u go back to 12, right? And for the belt is even more confusing to me. I boom, I am back to 12 then should take PB belt to 21 again to transfer?
Thanks for the video i full 22'd everything in 1 bil I'm end game now!!!!! Shangri-la here I come!!!!!
nice drake cut
Tonight he says and it's tomorrow
You look like Drake now 🔥 😂
Gotta quit while you still behind! My number one tip.
I'd rather hope nexon takes the suggestion someone made that starforce should have an option that ensures a 100 percent chance of upgrading your equipment, but at 7-10 times the original starforce cost up to 20 stars. I believe ms2 did something similar to that.
I wouldn't mind if they increase the meso cost or even lower the success rate, but the thing that they should revome is booming, that is the cancer of the game
If my gear is generally just 15-17 star, how do i get up to 21 star safely? Are there any tips and tricks for that? Or is it just straight tapping during events til you reach it? Arcane Gear and Sup. Gollux gear. Should I be safeguarding the arcane and sup gollux accessories?
Tap CRA to 20 one piece at time, for Gollux, if you don't have coins for spares, you could tap a lvl 140 gear to 21 then transfer to sup Gollux and settle at 20
@@IIEstevaoxII How does that spares thing work? If I boom, I use the clean spare to revive it, but do the stars remain the same, or do the stars start all over? For example, I boom 17 star to 18, will it stay at 17 star after I revive it?
@@IIEstevaoxII Also thanks for the reply
@@Nameless-r3u-k4l they're revived at 12 stars, regardless of where they were before
@@GoXDS Thanks
60B down the drain on Superior gollux Pend. Boomed 4 times at 21 to 22*, total boomed 22 times, Still currently at 17*
Had reinforced gollux earrings at 21, got greedy and tried to tap to 22. boomed. Then I was too broke to start over. Should have settled lol.
i got the fade lol been had this its easy to take care of
For AbsoLab equips for example i have to put 22 stars with all my luck? 😂 and pray for it Dont get destroyed since i can’t transfer stars from any lvl 150 equips?
I spent 10 bill and hit my second 21* KT ring, pink bean belt 21* to transfer sup. Hellix and 21* fafnir set excluding weapon
Lowkey, that's a clean fade. Solid Video as always
Whenever I go for 22 I make sure I have a duplicate ready to swap in, incase the one I’m working on booms.
Drake haircut. Good good bud
Boomed my CRA hat 5 times before I even hit 20*
I am at a point where I am looking for an excuse to quit maple anyway. So if I boom, I will be like yaaaay 😂
@@fabuloushostess6171 I did that 6 months ago and guess what? I came back like a lil b!tch
This is great advice? Thanks Unc
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Update: CRA & Sup Earrings to 20 SF ... Thx DUKY (~20 Bil spent)
Pleease do an Eternal starforcing guide to replace 22 CRA.
0:30 How dare you spy on me and tell everyone exactly what I did!
Jokes aside, I kinda don't trust that calculator because 2 SSFs ago I dumped 10b and didn't get a single 20* CRA...
25 or so booms and well over 20b meso trying to get my cra top to 22 it was an annoying shining event for me that time i got alot of other items to 22 tho including a ET so i couldnt really complain
Chills
If I only have a few spares, like 3 or 4, for my Arcane equipment and I want to go for 21 stars, should I even safeguard it?
I personally never safeguard unless I’m just trying to stop a mule at 17 stars and don’t want to get spares, or if I boomed all my spares and just wanna bring it back to 17
With that many spares, yeah you should be fine to not guard for 21s (imo you should guard anyways and just go for 22s with that many spares, the meso is worth less than the arcane dupes)
Just spent 3bil on Aran Fafnir weapon to get to 16* 😐. This hurts too much as I am new player using up whole saving.
i boomed my sup ring and don't have a replacement and lost the 4 set because of that. Time to quit
Me as a mid-late game player who saved 100bil since the last ssf, boomed most of my spares from 16-19 and only got my slime ring to 22*,
Starforce system sucks man, no one likes it
Fade reminds me of Drake👀
Is it good strat to starforce reinforced items to 21 and then transfer to sup for 20sf ?
Only for belt and earrings. Pendent use dominator and ring use kanna treasure. Get them to 22 then transfer. Wait till you have lots of spares
@Mr.Grantosis Alright, thanks mate
I wonder why should AU should stop at 19 but not 20?
Can someone explain it to me?
I must have got major F'd then cause I did a starforce once a spent about 7 bill meso's and never even got to 20.
i saved 24b for this event and i’m star forcing cra to try and get 21. is 24bil enough?
From my experience, it is very enough. But still your luck might run out. 21 cra is about 5bil a piece. You even might get it on multiple characters. Good luck
@@balehnhi9744 if an item blows up at 20 stars, does it go back to 12 stars when you revive it?
@@LittleJinsoyun yup. But need spares, fresh new ones. Dont worry about the flames and potentials, it will keep the original's flame and potentials
@@balehnhi9744 that’s fking insane. it’s already hard enough to get 19 stars. i thought ur safe from downgrading after 15 and 20
@@LittleJinsoyun welcome to maple bro, hahaha. At 15 and 20 stars you are safe from downgrading, but ur not safe from booming except at 15-17 if you safeguard
i'm too much of a casul when it comes to star forging. guess i should fix dat, provided i don't try and lvl/fund 2-3 other characters
Off event best event tbh
I had 2b and BOOMED all my arcanes and my item burn gear goes away tomorrow IM QUITTING
Gg see you next week
😂😂
i got 11bill shall i starforce my cra to 22 ? rn 20 or spend it on mules
how about to increase each equipment by +1* ?
like Hat 18* then Top 18* then Bottom 18*
then you go on 19* 19* 19*
then 20* 20* 20* ( Maximum )
What do you think ☠?
@@sa3ood16 oh mb maybe i had to mention i had 20* cra xd
Statistically, you have enough money (I'm assuming spares aren't a problem here since it's cra) to get at least 2 of your CRA to 22.
But there might be cheaper gains elsewhere (getting 18 on all your other items, etc), instead of brute forcing 22 stars.
I would definitely get them all to 21, since it's so cheap, then see where else you can get gains from (getting 21 on your superior gollux with spares; 17 > 19 on your other equips with spares, etc) before I even think about 22 CRA.
That's just my opinion though. At the end of the day, it's your money.
@ thanks for the tip! I tapped the almost instant to 21 and went on with other eqp!
@@mizu9000 How you did that ? which technique you used ? im too nervous, im waiting to finish my duty to get home for SF 😢
i dont get it. when does the event start?
Sunny sunday!
Today’s restart in your local time zone.
Man…don’t know the chances was this good…10 bil will get CRA to 22 at such high chance…shoulda make it myself instead of buying it from AH.
i didnt even know this calculator was a thing. After some testing i can say my casual @ss will never get arcane 22* set done.
its just a rate this game really suck bc i boom like 65b on cra bot just want to 21 stars ????😢
any professional maplers in the comments section know if safeguarding or no?
got 4 dom pendants, 1 sup gollux pendant
1 KT
3 sup gollux belt and heaps of reinforces
would you safeguard any or maybe straight tap the sup belt cus i got 3? new player btw
thanks for awesome video !
For gollux belt/earrings you can tap the reinforced belt/earrings to 21/22 and then transfer it to your sup and either settle at 21/20 or go for 22. For gollux pendant u can use dom pendants to transfer and for gollux ring , u use KTs or meister rings to transfer :)
Ideally you dont safeguard to save mesos because you should have been collecting spares for this reason
The sup spares are for if it booms going from 21/20 -> 22. Pendant and ring are harder because u need the coins to get spares so u have to keeo doing gollux runs for a bit haha
i blew up all my shit going for 24!!!! what am i doing wrong?
I hope I can quit tonight I will crashout going for 22 on all arcanes and if I boom I have no spare
Starforce your sengoku badge to 22 stars.
@@OGTH-camEnjoyer best way to quit but I started to play 2021 :'D
@@swaggingswagster5357 Awe damn! I'm sure you got something else one of a kind you can blow up.
The whole point of starforcing is a luck. Period. 🤣
WHERE IS SPIN!?!!?
30x sairdespair
@ D:
22* or drop it 1 GagaTaco7
I'm a big dog. 22 or nothing bro, why even play this game if you're ball-less
just buy 22 star item easier, spending 7 bil not even get an 20 star pendant, kekw
Re skinned genshin promo
22 or bust
23 stars or nothing!
This my gm
26boom on cra top, Stop at 21*. Game is riggeed
w ahh vid
22 or bust ez
diky always getting full
It's true 90% of the time I have quit this game is because of the bullsht rates, like jfc I'll just be trying to toss some 70% scrolls on an alt and have 9 out of 10 fail and it's fk off Nexon. Reg server will probably be a flop for me but I haven't played reboot since Sengoku High so I only have gains for reboot since all my gear is 10 to 12 star tops.
I thought I was the only one. It never made sense it tells you have a 50% success rate and it only works once every 4 times.
@@fabuloushostess6171 Yeah the rates are nothing more then a number the post on your screen. I've been playing this game since 2006 and it's bs. Wouldn't put it passed me to think that Nexon probably has a system where you have to spend a certain amount of mesos before it starts paying out. They do have a patent that decreases rates of gacha items if they are paying out too often afterall.
good advice
Chills