"all the equipment we had in those days was this dark, heavy equipment - all the tube stuff, all the compressors, all that stuff - and it made these beautiful sounding records that were just thick with whipped cream". one of the best analogies i've ever heard for the sound of tubes and compression, and a great way to think about applying them to one's music nowadays.
I luv listening 2 u all, yaw put it in 2 layman terms that even a average Joe like me 😱 who knows nothing about any of this can understand what U r saying 💯🔥 thank u so much yaw 💯🔥
I'm telling you that back in the day years ago in the 70s and 80s nobody had Neve in the studio at least not here in New York Studios were using Sony MCI or trident I'm still trying to figure out how Neve got all this market dominance because in the eighties everybody switch to SSL I can't ever remember seeing an API either I'm talking late 70s early 80s😮
Neve and Trident are basically the same thing. Trident at the time was competing with Helios as the two major British consoles and very similar sounding. Neve blew up in popularity with the 8000 series in the early 2000s, because they made the last of the analog consoles after Trident went out of business. The two most popular American consoles used by major LA studios in late 60s early 70s was API and Haeco/Holzer which were the first of the solid state boards when studios moved away from tubes.
Well I know I did not see any API and certainly never heard of the other company that you mentioned but Time Marches On things change and companies come and go that's the bottom line . peace
@@TheRealNewBlackMusic All of the consoles at Sunset Sound were API from 1970 to 1984. Haeco designed by Howard Holzer were the consoles in all the A&M rooms from 1969 until 1986. Village and Warner Bros used Quad 8 consoles for a good number of decades. These consoles gave the "LA sound"... and I imagine New York had their own unique studios.
What’s better Nieve or API? My answer is it depends on the engineer. I have far more experience on Neve console than API, so I would have to say Neve because I know how to get the most out of that equipment. The focusrite desk in Los Angeles is probably the best in the world, but I have never worked on it so I would not feel as comfortable track him on it if someone with considerably more experience working with it. In a sense, Consoles are like shoes, each engineer needs to find the one that works best for him. my all-time favorite console to work with was a Trident b-range that the stones used in London for several albums back in the late 70s. I got my hands on it in 1984 and it was an amazing piece of equipment. The drums tracked through that consul had a 3-D effect to them that I’ve never been able to replicate on any other desk.
What aspect of the Trident B Range desk do you think made your drums sound 3D? Seems like it would have to be something related to the panning and summing and less the actual channel strips.
@@ZeroG I could write volumes about that Trident B desk! that was far away, the best sounding console for tracking that I have ever worked on. The short answer to your question is that I think that desk had some happy accident phasing issues going on that produced the 3-D result on drums. I can’t prove it, but that is my opinion. my understanding is that the Rolling Stones used that Trident B for a few years in London. It was completely overhauled before it was installed at Hyde Street Studios in San Francisco. somewhere in the system, I think there was an anomaly that affected the first 10 channel strips in a unique way.
Excellent points....2nd & 3rd order HARMONIC CONTENT and RAMP UP....and Tube and Analog....hahahahaha and CLEAN IN TO CLEAN hahahaha so hysterical ! Rock ON
You mentioned SSL. They have the VHD pre which goes to 2nd and 3rd harmonic. Do you you think this does a well enough job to mimic API/NEVE?
No…. It is a little fatter, but modeling a transformer is very difficult…
@@paulwolff8305 The VHD is fatter sounding?
@@paulwolff8305 it's insanely easy for me to model a transformer
"all the equipment we had in those days was this dark, heavy equipment - all the tube stuff, all the compressors, all that stuff - and it made these beautiful sounding records that were just thick with whipped cream". one of the best analogies i've ever heard for the sound of tubes and compression, and a great way to think about applying them to one's music nowadays.
Thanks much, guys, for this video. I'm thankful I found your channel. So much history at Sunset Sound! Peace, from Florida.
Genius level stuff here!!
I luv listening 2 u all, yaw put it in 2 layman terms that even a average Joe like me 😱 who knows nothing about any of this can understand what U r saying 💯🔥 thank u so much yaw 💯🔥
Cool insights!!! Thanks Paul!
thank you, very interesting
Is the Shadow Hills “steel” transformer based off of this API console?
Great content. Thank you!
a bag of good info here 👌
Very Interesting.
I was going to get onto the ST transformer, but I still consider that a secret!
Great video.
Where is the soundboard that was at The Grand Ol Opry? Wasent that one the BEST?
Great stuff!
I'm telling you that back in the day years ago in the 70s and 80s nobody had Neve in the studio at least not here in New York Studios were using Sony MCI or trident I'm still trying to figure out how Neve got all this market dominance because in the eighties everybody switch to SSL I can't ever remember seeing an API either I'm talking late 70s early 80s😮
Neve and Trident are basically the same thing. Trident at the time was competing with Helios as the two major British consoles and very similar sounding. Neve blew up in popularity with the 8000 series in the early 2000s, because they made the last of the analog consoles after Trident went out of business. The two most popular American consoles used by major LA studios in late 60s early 70s was API and Haeco/Holzer which were the first of the solid state boards when studios moved away from tubes.
Well I know I did not see any API and certainly never heard of the other company that you mentioned but Time Marches On things change and companies come and go that's the bottom line . peace
@@TheRealNewBlackMusic All of the consoles at Sunset Sound were API from 1970 to 1984. Haeco designed by Howard Holzer were the consoles in all the A&M rooms from 1969 until 1986. Village and Warner Bros used Quad 8 consoles for a good number of decades. These consoles gave the "LA sound"... and I imagine New York had their own unique studios.
What’s better Nieve or API? My answer is it depends on the engineer. I have far more experience on Neve console than API, so I would have to say Neve because I know how to get the most out of that equipment. The focusrite desk in Los Angeles is probably the best in the world, but I have never worked on it so I would not feel as comfortable track him on it if someone with considerably more experience working with it. In a sense, Consoles are like shoes, each engineer needs to find the one that works best for him. my all-time favorite console to work with was a Trident b-range that the stones used in London for several albums back in the late 70s. I got my hands on it in 1984 and it was an amazing piece of equipment. The drums tracked through that consul had a 3-D effect to them that I’ve never been able to replicate on any other desk.
What aspect of the Trident B Range desk do you think made your drums sound 3D? Seems like it would have to be something related to the panning and summing and less the actual channel strips.
@@ZeroG I could write volumes about that Trident B desk! that was far away, the best sounding console for tracking that I have ever worked on. The short answer to your question is that I think that desk had some happy accident phasing issues going on that produced the 3-D result on drums. I can’t prove it, but that is my opinion. my understanding is that the Rolling Stones used that Trident B for a few years in London. It was completely overhauled before it was installed at Hyde Street Studios in San Francisco. somewhere in the system, I think there was an anomaly that affected the first 10 channel strips in a unique way.
Excellent points....2nd & 3rd order HARMONIC CONTENT and RAMP UP....and Tube and Analog....hahahahaha and CLEAN IN TO CLEAN hahahaha so hysterical ! Rock ON
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