I think not liking the new music is one thing, that’s totally a valid opinion, for me it doesn’t trump the original, but I think all of the songs are at least good with a few being my preferred version. Saying it sounds like persona 5 is insane though, the sonic aesthetic is so different I really can’t see it
@@ShadowOfMassDestructionNah they mean sonic qualities of the music which is just way off. Sonic qualities of an ost can vary from instrument choice down to how those instruments are recorded and mixed, general timbre etc
I gotta admit as this is my first time playing any version of persona 3 she sounds pretty good kinda my reintroduction to the series my first persona game was persona 2 on the psp
I play both p3 fes and reload. P3 fes was the first one I’ll played and I say there might been a few aspect they did better. But I love the way they did reload in every way yes it still needs a few improvements but for me I’m not gonna really care. Persona helped me change to view the world differently
its good to see other person that played FES and likes reload its sad sometimes because despite the flaws I still in all honestly prefer reload over FES call me crazy but that's what I think
@@xx-syntaxyete-xx5424You ain't alone man. I've experienced Persona 3 in every way besides the original. Read the manga, watched the movies and played both FES and Portable. I still think Reload is the definitive experience despite its flaws
@@xx-syntaxyete-xx5424 Same. Played FES as a teen in 2011, it left a huge impact on me. But FES had aspects that felt archaic even at that time (forced romances for the female links, lack of any social aspects for the male members of SEES, questionable voice acting at times, and a whole slew of things related to the gameplay). Reload really gave us the definitive Journey experience. Would have been nice to have the FEMC route, but the cost in time and money needed for creating it would probably add a whole year of development time, not to mention make it harder for the game to recoup its costs.
I honestly think removing yukari's "Ugh, there's no way I can't" line would significantly improve the scene, imo it breaks the tension, i don't think it's the delivery of the line just that it's there vs silently tossing aside the evoker as she collapses.
i had to be fair, the delivery of this specific line was not it, if she cried like in FES it would have been better i think. the rest of the line are fire tho and i like that they added that, it's a bit sad that they didn't implement all the "tension-building" micro scenes that were in FES with all the camera movement, close shot and allat. But they are both great none is far superior
This has probably been said before, but the expansion pass drama, and the day 1 dlc isn't atlus fault. it's an initiative by sega to extend the game life spans.
Considering its still a remake of a remake of a remake that originally stated it would not have X content then suddenly have the content released as an `expansion` feels like a massive flip off. Because even with the Persona 5 `polish`, if you already played Persona 3, Persona 3: FES AND Persona 3 Portable, then you have little care for what half feels like a definitive `lack` remake. Especially when its once again pulling that additional personas that break the game as a DLC addition, where even if you dont buy it, the feel such a OP thing is present doesnt help the feels. Since its similar to the feel when a hacker can strut into a difficult fight, one-shot them and walk away, even more so when the game locks a very useful thing behind said content, that conviently gives an alternative or OP thing behind a paid DLC. Refer to Grand blue Fantasy: Relink who has had up to THREE, `free` DLC characters locked behind extremely ridiculously hard to clear, even more so to farm pair of boss fights that conviently have the option to pay around 5 bucks, PER CHARACTER, to just unlock them instantly, including alot of the gear (sigils) and likely save days or even a week or two of grinding for them instead. Which i am sure plenty are still enraged by things like gamefreak deciding to huck its remake for Diamond/Pearl to a 3rd party company and didnt bother to make them be definitive editions with the features of Platinum. Where even if Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire likely lacked things from Emerald, the amount of quality, polish and inclusion of a `Episode Delta` to act as its `Emerald` to the game, including mega evolutions that were originally an X/Y thing, made it 100% feel like the same gag as Final fantasy 7 Remake & Rebirth when compared to the original Final Fantasy 7, an overall redesign of the game in more ways then one, then simply a lazy remaster where over 70% of the new stuff is just a visual style and not much else.
@@B4mn First impressions are everything and whenever anyone suddenly doubles back on something they said, its just scummy period. If they simply did not have any comment about the Answer being released or maybe do something better like a small teaser for say a second in a trailer to lead to the idea we may or may not have Metis come back then it would of been a perfect segway to announce the Answer after that. Distrustful actions will always lead to problems and if it wasnt for the fact its just Persona 3 in Persona 5 graphic style at the end of the day, i would of said they should of just had Answer and FeMC as part of Persona 3 Reload period. Since now that people are just straight up modding FeMC in and doing a high quality damn job of it too, that just puts the idea that either Atlus needs to freaking lock in and commit to bringing in FeMC or take the L they did not go full in with a Definitive edition. Since especially in this day and age with how often games get remake/remastered, doing things like `skipping` part of the content that were in previous versions, just creates a problem gap of whats the real `definitive edition` to play at the end of the day. Especially when it comes to the cost of acquiring it, what is actually present and especially if some COMPLETE EDITION exists before some new `remake/remaster` came out and that remake/remaster conviently is missing out large portions of content that could of been massive QoLs like additional story and moar.
I thought it was nastolgia at first, but I honestly feel the exact same way towards P3R that I do towards SMT Strange Journey Redux. Unesecary and disrespectful to the original vision. P3R feels less like P3 and more like P5 with a P3 coat of paint. I guess if that's what you want more power to you, but everything they added pales in comparison to what was flatout removed or is a shadow of what it once was. The lighting feels really shallow at points, especially the Dark Hour green. Bosses, once you get Theurgy, have no chance, and the game loses all balance. A feature I really like that they removed was allowing multiple different weapon types for the protagonist. I don't know why they didn't include this besides pure laziness, I guess. Also, I'm good with them adding direct commands, but the original version of the tactics menu should've still been there. The original tactics menu and party AI were actually competent. The whole marinkarin meme issue only happens if you don't think properly with tactics (I replayed parts of the original to confirm this). I do like the new voice cast more than the old one. They are much more emotional in their performances. Even though they chose to use the P3P script for their lines, which is just kind of worse than the FES one. I like it when the dialogue enhances what is being shown rather than flat-out exposition dumping. The second thing I like more than the original is the soundtrack (besides Battle For Everyones Souls). A lot of people like the old one more, but I think the insturmentaion is much more well balanced, and mass destruction is less of an annoying ear worm and more of a groove. I still don't like Joy, but it's more tolerable now. Iwotodai Dorm is also less grading for hours on end of hearing it throughout the game. The final major point of praise I have for the game is the rewriting of many social links, making them feel more natural, well paced, and less redundant. Yeah solid game compared to a lot of other ones, but it's not nearly as good as P3
i think people need to come to understand that recency bias is probably a much stronger influencer on people's inability to criticize media than nostalgia bias
10:48 this was a common problem in persona 5 where they felt the need to dumb things down, and over explain what was happening because they had no faith in the audience. In this scene yukari literally explains how to shoot yourself in the head, and then says she cant do it. They couldn't have dumbed it down any less. The original showed that yukari feared death by having her not go through with the act, but reload just tells you that she fears death when she verbally says she cant do it
Yeaaah, even when you compare P5 Vanilla and Royal (I played both, in release order) they uh... really made the twists more obvious. The interrogation room in particular. There was no hint or warning and a LOT of people apparently lost then. This isn't unique to Persona; a lot of games seem to be "dumbing down" certain aspects of themselves. I'm a filthy-ass casual but there's a BIG difference between accessibility vs holding my hand like I can't add 1 plus 1.
To be fair, I wouldn't put much faith in the Persona fanbase either...there are many people who whine about stuff just because they don't understand human psychology and assume the worst about characters motivations and personalities.
@@Miyakolover Yeah. Like, people still give Akechi crap over his life as an illegitimate child/orphan without considering those kind of children may have different experiences on the other side of the planet
Thank you for mentioning new players. I think we're often forgotten abt in these conversations because a lot of convos are about which game does what better. But i went into reload mostly blind and had nothing but p5 to compare it to. So i got to take it in for what it is and not what it's trying to be. And honestly I'm glad cuz i enjoyed reload greatly including the things other people hated (including the music and voice acting 🥴)
Prob just because if you have something like p3 fes and know how good the original one was you see a lot more problems because standalone i dont think its that bad but considering what it is i dont think its a great game
For me personally, i think Reload was a great game and improved on FES/Portable in almost every way. Granted, Reload was actually my introduction to Persona which led me to play every other Persona game before it. I finished P5R twice, finished P4G and finished P3P and i was gonna play FES but i kinda have P3 burnout rn so maybe another time so my comparisons are mostly with Portable and i think it goes without saying which is the better game objectively That isnt to say that Reload is a perfect game since such a thing doesnt exist. There are definitely many ways they couldve improved the game such as adding all the extra content from the original games to Reload or FEMC but i understand Game dev isnt the easiest thing in the world and would need to cut corners to meet a deadline but it doesnt stop me from being a little disappointed Things like Music, Gameplay, Voice Acting ( i will touch up on that later) and others are massive improvements but there are a few things i thought was better in the Original. Some music i prefer in the original such as the original Mass Destruction after listening to the original sounds like it has more impact? Or such in a way, its hard to explain but i did prefer the original as well as the original Dorm music too but thats just my opinion. I dont think i need to get into Gameplay since i feel like it is an improvement in every single aspect, im not a hardcore player so i dont really care if it makes the game baby easy since i dont determine a game’s quality based on how difficult the game is For Voice acting, all the voices are amazing. Especially from someone like Mitsuru, Fuuka, Ken, Junpei, Midori and Yukari and others. Though i feel like at some parts, the original voice acting did better but it wasnt the voices that was a benefactor but the direction. Like the scene with Yukari screaming bloody murder before you stop the train from crashing, it was far more impactful in the original than in Reload. But other than a few scenes, all the VAs did a fantastic job. With the Cutscenes, im a bit iffy on. While they are still good in Reload, FES did a few of them better in my opinion such as the cutscenes first showing people turning into coffins at the backalley. Reload got the shorter end of the stick there and the Mo-capped cutscene can look a little awkward at times like the ending scene of everyone running to the roof, someone pointed out that when it shoes Yukari running, you can see the backgrounf slowly coming to a stop which kinda ruined the scene for me when looking back. So in the Cutscene department, some looked alot better in FES In general, Reload is a fantastic game and got me into Persona but there are slight things which can be improved upon.
My biggest gripe is the day one DLC, I get that they want to add cool things from the other games, but to me it seems to be a blatant cash grab. And the fact that they said originally they had no plans on doing The Answer, then released the $200 Aigis edition, which I admit I did buy, which said it contained all DLC, just for them to announce fairly soon after release that The Answer would come costing half of the base game and anyone who bought any edition containing ALL DLC would still have to shill out that $35. I think this is setting a pretty bad precedent for the industry as a whole, showing that game companies can get away with releasing DLC (lots of season passes and cosmetics, and lots of useless things), sometimes day one , in Atlus's case releasing an integral part of the story behind a paywall. A game I know who did this correct was GOW: Ragnarok, with the Valhalla DLC. A free DLC about the games epilouge.
The missing FeMC discussion and hate should be tossed aside. Devs specifically stated that it would have cost way too much and too more time to do. Which is true when you think about it. New assets need to be added, from the Persona to the UI to the character model itself. And that is the small and easy part. Voicing each of her S. Links, changing story voiced content to have "Her" now instead of "Him" (Meaning some lines will have to recorded twice over). It would be an honest mess and I'm fine with her not being included (I'm sure I missed MORE things they would have needed to shell out cash for). Remember that the FeMC was in Portable and not the OG games. Meaning most of the work was done. All Atlus at the time had to do was take an already completed game and add new content (which is the FeMC and her stuff) which doesn't compare to starting everything from scratch. Shady practices aside, Atlus is a business, not a charity. I feel as if we the gaming community need to learn that devs are not our friends but some dudes and gals who made something so they can get our cash. Our enjoyment to (most) of them is secondary (Some devs create FREE and amazing games, I know but put that aside for a moment). P3R was amazing and Door-kun's Journey made me cry yet again. Let's leave it at that or I'll put a bunch of large speakers outside your houses and blast "Memories of You" when you try to sleep so you can go to bed depressed
I will say that by virtue of this being a remake a long time player can definitely see how far Persona has come in dialogue writing, characterization of the silent protagonist (It sounds like an oxymoron, but if you know you know), and the variety of social link characters. Persona 3 has a different bone structure than five and even four, so retrofitting new features into that skeleton shows. It's not limited to this, because both Golden and Royal have moments where you can tell which are added features. In some cases even the writing of the Link episodes in Reload feel stronger than the actual base game. To me it's not objectively good or bad, but it does remind me of how Pokemon remakes tend to slap on new features but keep the relative aged features of the original.
This was my first Persona game, and honestly it set the bar SO high for me. Persona had always been on my radar and like a million years ago I had tried Persona 5 but I wasn't in the right mindset to play it so I dropped it and wrote the series off to a "one day I'll give it a shot." Well for my birthday, a friend of mine bought Persona 3R and I dove headfirst and I loved every second of it. Sure, there's some pacing problems but I have absolutely zero frame of reference for this game from the old Persona 3. I thought the story and combat was great, I thought the music was wonderful and unironically might what finally gets me into rap as a genre. I platted not only this game, but it inspired me to get the Platinum for P5R too, and I'll be working on 4G next. I thought the characters and voice acting were absolutely stellar all around. It shocked me to hear this is the first time social links get fully voiced scenes all the way through, but it did such a tremendous job selling me on these characters that everytime I hit a rank 10, I was crying my eyes out at what was going on. This game made me cry multiple times and I can confidently say it's one of my favorite games bar none now. I will always be thankful my friend got me a birthday gift like this because it finally opened the door to a game series that I was always going to put on the backburner. That being said I still don't approve of the DLC pricing and choices, even if I will begrudgingly get Episode Aigis anyways because I love this world and the characters so much I want to see the next step on their journey.
I recommend taking a look at the video by Nam's Compendium called How Persona 3 Lost It's Identity. It sums up pretty well some of the more valid criticisms of the game.
Honestly my biggest gripe with the game is just the 3rd block, the blue one. In the original it was a M.C. Escher like decor which was fitting for the tower as it grows from the ground like a teratoma of architecture (search up teratoma on your own risk) forming from the (crystal) matrix of the school. But in reload it’s all just machinery, visual noise and so much small geometry to get stuck on, it was the biggest let down, I remember that in the original in the background of battle there was these two circles rolling on a curved piece and it used stairs as if it was cogs, it was so cool! I was so relieved when the next block the golden palace was so open air and then the rest was pretty easy to navigate, but I wish the big rooms were more frequent, really surprised me when I first saw them and I think the reaper is to easy to run around, didn’t give me that would escaping fear from hearing chains anymore, but it walking up stairs was good tho. Anything else that was in the game was just great
@@shiningstar737 aaaahh you just reminded me that I haven’t finish that yet, didn’t get far either But yes, of what I played, I did like the aesthetic for the most part
I thought it was nastolgia at first, but I honestly feel the exact same way towards P3R that I do towards SMT Strange Journey Redux. Unesecary and disrespectful to the original vision. P3R feels less like P3 and more like P5 with a P3 coat of paint. I guess if that's what you want more power to you, but everything they added pales in comparison to what was flatout removed or is a shadow of what it once was. The lighting feels really shallow at points, especially the Dark Hour green. Bosses, once you get Theurgy, have no chance, and the game loses all balance. A feature I really like that they removed was allowing multiple different weapon types for the protagonist. I don't know why they didn't include this besides pure laziness, I guess. Also, I'm good with them adding direct commands, but the original version of the tactics menu should've still been there. The original tactics menu and party AI were actually competent. The whole marinkarin meme issue only happens if you don't think properly with tactics (I replayed parts of the original to confirm this). Tactics plays completely different and makes you think more than direct commands, which would've made a great alternate way to play the game. Slower more methodical gameplay is not inherently worse than fast-paced, case, and point SMT SJ. I do like the new voice cast more than the old one. They are much more emotional in their performances. Even though they chose to use the P3P script for their lines, which is just kind of worse than the FES one. I like it when the dialogue enhances what is being shown rather than flat-out exposition dumping. The second thing I like more than the original is the soundtrack (besides Battle For Everyones Souls). A lot of people like the old one more, but I think the insturmentaion is much more well balanced, and mass destruction is less of an annoying ear worm and more of a groove. I still don't like Joy, but it's more tolerable now. Iwotodai Dorm is also less grading for hours on end of hearing it throughout the game. The final major point of praise I have for the game is the rewriting of many social links, making them feel more natural, well paced, and less redundant. Yeah, it's a solid game compared to a lot of other ones on the market, but it's not nearly as good as P3FES. It feels so uninspiring. My best comparison is how I feel about ORAS
and the only new song I can think of is Its Going Down which is on point for where it plays in the game. If you get an advantage on the enemy by ambushing them then it should be upbeat since you're going to easily overcome a threat
Holy,that last review put me in brainrot mode. Like no way am I going to believe that they meant ANY of what they said in that review and instead did it for the ragebait
@@gmerc1333 because maybe you strongly disagree with their points and think they’re stupid, there’s no way it could be real because it’s disingenuous. why is it so impossible for you to understand that?
@@Gokuvsnaruto22 somebody thinking something you personally don't agree with isn't what disingenuous means. do you think you would agree with someone describing your feelings on persona 3 reload as "disingenuous" simply because of a difference of opinion? are they right simply because they believe that of you? or maybe people can dislike something, give their reasons for feeling that way, and also completely mean what they're saying when they do so. not agreeing with you on something doesn't make something ragebait, and if that's how your brain is wired you have some growing up to do.
@@gmerc1333 i didn’t say just because i disagree it’s disingenuous, the criticism itself is disingenuous meaning that it’s not coming from a genuine place. like wtf you mean don’t try to correct me on what disingenuous means i know what it means. you yourself have some growing up to do if you think all criticism is automatically valid and it can’t come from a disingenuous place because you agree with it.
I love reload but I think FES specifically *feels* better in a weird way i can't fully explain, its small things like the animations, the hp bars, the way Tartarus floors are generated, and well the overall difficultly. I also vastly prefer the original version of one more from FES where when using an aoe attack you had to knockdown every enemy to get your 1 more and standing up used your turn, like getting knocked down in p4+ is just an aesthetic thing while in p3 it actually mattered.
Persona 3 reload is a lot softer than Persona 3 PS2. I’m not talking about the weirdly cheery atmosphere of Reload while PS2 is dark and gloomy. Just yesterday I was doing Yukari social link. Remember when those three guys trapped her in the alleyway? That is not in Reload. I guess the possibility of rape and sexual assault is just too extreme for modern audience.
and thats why persona 3 reload is bad, it caters to the modern audience. its the same game from before but with a ton of sugarcoat and removed content behind paywall🥱
If i could talk about art direction for a moment (specifically from an artist's PoV), i think Reload's visual presentation is phenomenal. While i do think the other versions sell the sense of atmosphere a bit better, Reload makes up for it by just being so beautiful to look at, with the UI & Menus being some of the best examples of that. If i could nitpick about one thing, however, is that some of the cutscenes feel a bit off compared to the original, mainly OG P3/FES. I'm not talking about Pre-rendered or 2D Anime cutscenes either, I'm more so talking about the ones you see with most of the game. Ya'know, with the in-game character models To give one or 2 examples, i wanna discuss Ken eavesdropping Aki's & Shinji's conversation & the scene when Aki talks to Shinji about his Suppression Pills In the former, we don't see Ken until the end, where he's been upstairs & listening to the conversation, making it unlikely for him to be spotted... In Reload, he's just walking into them, only to hide behind a huge vase while listening to the conversation. NGL, it kinda threw me off & it made me wonder how nobody pointed that out As for the latter, Akihiko punches Shinji on both versions, but in Reload, he takes a fighting stance before throwing a weak looking punch... Which made the cutscene look a little goofy... In the original, he straight up punches him in the face. No build up, no warning, just a straight up punch to the face. Once so hard, Shinji actually got pushed back & even better, everyone was looking at the boys when that happened. I think that sells the impact of the scene much better IMO. Again, these are just nitpicks at best & overall, i think P3R is a wonderful game when it comes to visuals. I can't wait to see how Episode Aegis turns out on that department
in a way i think most are kind of blind how history of this phenomon for persona has happend before with the psp remakes of p1-2. p1's psp ost goes even further at changing the atmosphere then reload ever did and i for one feel as though it misses the mark with what persona 1 is presenting narratively as the music played a key part, it also objectively is a downgrade with half the track size and a lot of repetition and constant re-use along with most of the tracks lasting 30 seconds on loop, this lead to p1 psp bombing in sales so for the later psp remakes the remixed ost slowly became more like the the original in each installment to the point ep psp is regarded as being superior (which is kind of funny with how it didn't come out the west).
I had to make a Powerpoint presentation for my psychologist, so I tried to recreate some of the Persona 3 Reload UI style from memory... She was so impressed, you could literally see it on her face every time things moved, it is undoubtedly a visual style that impresses
I don't dislike persona 3 reload, I actually enjoyed it and I'm glad they remade it however, I do have some criticisms for the game. Mainly yes, as you stated in the video, I feel disappointed that this game was not the "definitive" edition of persona 3, they should have added the answer from the start and femc as well and many other things. Second criticism is also kinda addressed in this video, such as when you mentioned the part where the animation was replaced by 3d cutscene, although I don't really have a problem with the 3d cutscene I believe that the whole game's "atmosphere" is different from the original, it feels much more "lighter", I can't describe it perfectly but the game's tone feels a bit different and I dislike that change of tone in some parts of the game. Third criticism that I have is really a quality of life nitpick, I really dislike how you can not fast forward or skip some animations in battles in reload, sure the animations are beautiful and I loved seeing them but when you spend hours in Tartarus fighting enemies over and over again (getting into a fight, targeting weaknesses and then getting out as quick as possible) those animations take a considerable amount of time and you spend most of your time just watching the same animations over and over (especially the all out attack animation and the following char screen thing). Other than that the game is really nice and worth a buy, it's fun and very faithful to the original I kinda wish that some old music wasn't changed but overall most of the music as well as the new ones are amazing and I can't really nitpick this one because of the change of female singer and I understand how difficult it would be. and honestly, as much as all of these criticisms are valid, I think people need to manage their expectations since the it's impossible to remake everything so accurately and on modern systems in a way that makes the games more accessible to modern audience (However the past content stuff is not excused here, I still think they should've added FEMC and the Answer with the game) Anyways do I think these criticisms ruined the game? Nah, the game is fun and faithful as stated earlier, although I feel like the original atmosphere could've improved this remake and the content as well. Edit: I just noticed that my criticisms were addressed in the video so rip. I decided to stop and comment halfway and only after finishing did I notice that my criticisms were addressed, as for the visual thing, yes persona 3 reload looks so amazing but I still think they could've created the gloomy atmosphere as well, It probably is very possible to do both.
I think the criticism for the change in difficulty and balance is warranted. I also think the criticism for the change of tone are right. P3R has changed It's only a small change but it is noticeable. It's less dark and depressing. P3R is brighter in attitude and colour. I don't mind party control, but I admit now the P3R has become way too easy with all the new battle mechanics. There is something wrong when the challenge is mostly behind the Monad doors when your difficulty is hard. I also think the game UI is a bit over designed. Not much but there is a bit too much clutter on screen. I have no opinion on FemC but it would have been nice. The new OST is fine but I do miss the old tracks. (RIP changing seasons...) The voice actors are OK. Whenever I hear recasted media, I have to ponder if my distaste comes from attachment, are they really miscasted or is the new script and direction bad. This time it's pure attachment. I've played FES so my perspective comes from there. To be as good as the original, it needs to be the original. Remakes are always different.
I can speak from my perspective as a player who had never played any game in the Persona series or any JRPGs at all. Persona 3 Reload was my first-ever Persona game and JRPG. I beat it a couple of days ago, and I can tell you from the standpoint of a newbie and non-Persona fan-this game was awesome and it was my best video game experience this year. The story, the characters, the emotional rollercoaster, the music, and the visual design-I loved everything. Even the repetitive Tartarus segment was fun for me to play again and again because I found it a relaxing and enjoyable process. My point is that this game is perfect for players like me who have never had experience with JRPGs or Persona games. It's a great introduction to the series. While I wouldn’t say that I’ve suddenly become a Persona fan and might not play any previous Persona games (though I might try Persona 5 someday if I find another 70 hours), I would definitely recommend this game to anyone who usually stays away from these types of games. I encourage fans not to underestimate it because Persona 3 Reload is excellent at introducing newbies to the series. This game is amazing.
Thank you for giving your input! I actually do think Persona, and especially Persona 3 Reload are great entry level games to the genre and series, so I’m glad you enjoyed it! They are massive time sinks though so I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t get around to more any time soon haha
Persona 5 Royal was my introduction to the Persona Series and got me back into playing JRPGs and ARPGS. It’s super beginner friendly even on its hardest difficulties so I’d say to give that a shot too if you really liked P3R since both games feel similar. And then I’d say you should definitely try Persona 4 Golden because…well you’re just doing yourself a disservice if you don’t play that masterpiece. While a little dated compared to P5R and P3R, it absolutely holds up with wonderful writing and characters, a genuinely interesting murder mystery plot, and a vibe that I think hasn’t been matched by any game since it’s release.
I love FES to death and have a lot of nostalgia for it, but Reload imo just blows nearly every aspect of it out of the water. Since the game is a remake this discussion was always going to happen even if Reload did everything critics wanted, they would just find new things to criticize. This happens with every remake in media no matter how good the new property might be. That said, although I do find the atmosphere criticisms to be… kinda mute… the one major critic I personally have with reload is the cutscenes. Some of the choices to make CG and anime were kinda weird, like why did they choose to keep the shower scene anime but make 10/4 CG? 10/4 still hit pretty hard but it’s just a weird direction choice that I don’t fully understand. I do think the show don’t tell sound design of FES’s opening scene was also wayyyyy better than Reloads. The Kyoto trip anime scene although small also was done better in FES, again, show don’t tell. Those are really the only gripes I have though and everything else I did find substantially better (especially the ending like I think I actually cried way harder in the Reload ending than the FES ending) but this is to be expecting with a remake. You’re not gonna like all the choices made even if the remake is substantially better.
Adding to the show don't tell that really broke things for me, the animated scene when MC is back from the final fight. I feel they butchered the moment.
I agree with the yukari take, i feel like FES did "Show, don't tell" very well with that scene and it felt like in reload, its like being talked down to and takes some of the depth from the scene. Love the game though its one of my favorites from the last 10 years, as a FES enjoyer
As someone who only played reload and no other version of P3. I did very much enjoy it. And some of the changes talked about here did help me understand the story, but i felt that in the attempt to "persona 5 ify Persona 3" some things were forgotten about. Like dating multiple social links is mentioned once and never again. Said romances have little after content once the S link is finished. And you don't really get to interact with the male S.E.E.S members until way later in the game. Game still managed to tug my heart strings at the end but it took a really long time to get me invested in the first place. Actual gameplay wise i don't really have anything to say. Played on merciless. Only challenge i couldn't beat was Elizabeth but that was more like i didn't really want to. I know its a puzzle but i just wanted to finish the story at that point. Once you reach level 70 the game plays itself.
for me, I feel like my opinions on reload have changed since launch. I loved it with all my heart, but now I feel a lot more mixed about it. I may be nostalgia blind for the original, I'm not sure. I feel like the identity of p3, while not lost, was somewhat hurt in the remake. little things like the camera pov change, theurgy attacks, scenery lighting and cut scenes all add up to make a game that I know is still persona 3, but it just doesn't quite feel like it. it's difficult to explain, and I don't want to come off as an elitist or anything. I appreciate reload a lot and I'm glad it's here as a modern way to play persona 3. I wish I could love it as much as others do, and as I did at launch, but these little changes do get to me sometimes. sorry if that comment was too long. I could go on for hours if I really wanted to go in-depth. I'm just super passionate for persona 3, since it's my favorite game of all time lol. thanks for reading if u did, and I hope it made some sense :)
recently i started playing FES on emulator, and having now seen the reload version of the yukari scene, it is actually just straight up funny in comparison to the original. the dialogue is so goofy and feels generic and its honestly just nothing in comparison to how dark and tense the original felt to me. im open to the idea of the positives of reload, i think the UI's and stuff look great, but for this cutscene i am heavily in favour of the original also based video, i thought it was gonna be one of those stupid negative steam review videos where they act like anyone with a differing opinion is stupid, but you took a very good approach to this, my seal of approval
I think OG p3/FES players need to stop crying lmfao. Mad cause of some art style/work lmfao the game is 10x more playable and overall just better. Criticizing the voice acting for me is crazy cause some of the voice acting in the og is so ass especially fuukas. Also to your point, I had never played any form of P3 until reload and when I first saw yukari put the gun to her head I was literally like “ayo, wtf?!” So yeah the feeling ur supposed to get is still there
In all honesty, I don't think Reload isn't bad at all, but still I prefer FES at his point. What I don't like in Reload is the fact that they almost took away the protag's (Makoto) agency without any player input. They were also cutscenes that were totally off like someone mentioned. Like for example, they took away the hand holding between Makoto and Aigis when she was hurt against Death (Ryoji) and that was another thing I didn't like about Reload. My first P3 I've played WAS P3FES which I'm happy about. I'll be perfectly honest, FeMC is another reason why the fandom of Persona is really bad sometimes, and we all know that she isn't really canon but in an alternate universe. Though I care about Makoto more than Kotone. And another thing, who even thought it would be a good idea to have the expansion pass in $35???? About the ending of Persona 3 Reload, it was obviously a improved, yet even more emotional ending that I literally cried for 3 - 4 hours straight. Except on the other hand, I did not like the after Nyx fight/Tartarus disappearing animation. I was expecting to see Makoto smiling as Aigis' tears started falling down finally. But nope, they went with Portable's dog water adaptation and Makoto walking out of school. Though, I love the fact that Aigis was the first to run to him. Also, I still prefer Makoto's awakening in the original more, but I wish they animated the scene instead of rendering. While I personally like Yuri Lowenthal's Makoto Yuki voice better, but Aleks Le's Makoto voice did perfectly also, and does fit him too. I do like the other voice actors who did the characters. To me, they've done it perfectly, so idk what exactly are they talking about. Most of the cutscenes in Reload are like the original and the movie, which I love. Except, some cutscenes like I said are off. The music isn't bad but still prefer the original on half of it. Overall, I think Reload is amazing, but missed the mark on what makes Persona 3 so special. A lot of ups and downs but still it's like the original and the movie, but needs more improvement of Reload itself.
I mean as far as the yukari trigger scene goes. My reaction as a kid was "ayyoooooo?" It got my attention which is good. But i gotta admit man hearing burn my dread kinda ruins it for me. Now in remake, bc i already know the characters, i like the changes a lot.
The neagtive reactions about the Expansion Pass are justified, but I wish people kept that same energy for all the Day 1 DLC nonsense Atlus/Sega does! There's always a ton of $2 - $5 microtransactions at launch, despite the games being $60 or $70 (not including $100 Deluxe Editions), usually featuring stuff that used to be freely unlockable IN GAME. This includes their enhanced re-releases like P4G, P5R and now SMT V Vengeance... Games that SHOULD be the definitive versions with all content included at laumch, but instead have day 1 DLC & expansions passes built in anyway. Hell, Sega even paywalled New Game+ in Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth! And recent rumors around Persona 6 said the game was 95% finished, but that Atlus is now working on the day 1 DLC for the game... 🙄 Love the games, hate the monetization practices.
100% agreed honestly. Not too sure why people skim over the day 1 DLC stuff cause literally no one likes it, and I'm surprised that none of the reviews mentioned it.
I do commend you for trying to look at negative reviews as it can give new criticism as there’s a difference between those given by the ones that dislike something in contrast to casual enjoyers and the hard core fans (tho not zealots fan boys, they are delusional) I tried myself watching negative reviews of my favorite game horizon forbidden west and man is it difficult hearing someone bashing on something you love
I don’t mind looking at negative reviews cause you either see some valid takes that open your perspective, or you see the most hilariously outrageous takes ever
On one hand the old Yukari scene has some random transitions that make zero sense but on the other hand the tension and importance of the situation is much higher. I couldnt care less about FeMC but I guess that for the sake of completeness of the remake it would be nice if she was there.
Most of the things mentioned in last review are actually valid, it all depends on the level of understanding of scriptwriting, scene direction, music and color theory. If you're not serious enough about the game as he is, you may not see as clear as he's able to analyze. And it's okay to have a surface-level understanding, a not be a persona nerd. The opening scene for me was a giant red flag, an insult if you will, to ruin it in such a way, means the director has no comprehension of what made the original cinematographic composition work and the implications for the rest of the game ...oh man. In general, the pattern is obvious, when old teams at Atlus were crafting their masterpieces they weren't selling very well, cult classics, yes, but oh no, the system requirements for a user's brain were higher, so the business strategy came as an obvious choice, let's make our games more approachable to reach a bigger audience, how exactly? Well, no other way, than to dumb things down, reduce difficulty, more and more spelling it out instead of provoking thoughts, making things less strategic and more comfy. Social link system should've been dropped after P4, it severly limits variety of what can be potentially done story-wise, since almost all of them must be available for a whole duration of the game so they must be written pretty neutral in relation to seasons, different world/social events, their locations can't be significantly changed of destroyed, so the shadow/demon activity must be kept in a confined virtual meta-world for most of the game's duration. It's insane how bloated P5 came out, especially Royal. It's way easier to replay the game when it's 30 to 60 hrs, but when 120+? You have to religiously play it and lose on sleep (Morgana will not forgive), to finish it in 2 month, while having a job. And it's the easiest game in persona series, even on merciless. And it just happens to be the best selling, also in terms of metacritic score - extremely high. We're seeing Atlus still milking it to no end. From a business perspective they are making correct decisions, as for creative vision, not so much, after all, new waifus, funneh memez and shiny menus is all we want, right?
@Hero-dx3il i dont know why u felt the need to say this to me of all comments but, quit bitchin for no reason man. Keep the crying out of my friends' youtube comments and make ur own video or something u fuckin gatekeeping entitled baby.
Tbh on the Atmosphere point I do prefer FES because, yes the thought is "is this girl trying to kill herself" and I think that works for the theming. Since its the start of the game its trying to ask a question, in the hustle and bustle of a city no matter how small, will a random person's death even be felt? The dogs will continue to bark, the trains will move on, even while she's contemplating it. It shows this point by having it cut to her and chair walking down the city rapidly to compare the two scenes, both with chaos, one with chaos in the mind, one with chaos in the streets But, Persona 3 answers that question near the end. "Yes, her death would of been felt, her death would of been a tragedy to countless people and could of lead to the end of the world [metaphorically]" P3R doesn't ask that question as well, it doesn't show the counterpoint of "no, it isn't felt, in the grand scheme everyone's a cog in a machine, every dog's bark could be replaced with another, if you miss a train another will come"
as someone who's only played like the first maybe 10 hours or so of p3r and played through all of p5r, it's just. really, really, really difficult for me to care about the story or the characters or anything that's happening in the game. the pace is incredibly slow, tartarus is a slog to crawl through, it feels like there's nothing to actually do until the story decides to do its thing again. the social links are also mostly terrible and i only care about one of them (odagiri). people have told me "it gets good in october!" but to me it's just like, why do i have to play a game for THAT LONG to actually have something draw me in? idk. maybe it's something i'll have to come back to in a year or something. i felt similarly about p5 at first, as i tried to play the vanilla version way back in 2017 and only got to just meeting akechi for the first time before i decided to drop it, and now here i am, completely obsessed with it after playing royal last year. sooo... it could be just a skill issue on my part LOL. on a side note i also have unmedicated adhd which could also be adding to my problem with it, but yeah.
If you want, I feel like the video "Can you beat P3R without the power of friendship?" Does a pretty good job as summarizing the game. Now I dont think it covers everything, but I think it does a decent job at making me care about this game that I originally didnt care much about
I agree, I played halfway through P3 Portable and I felt the same way as you, I love P5R and P4G, but P3 even though it's fun to play, I couldn't care about the story and the characters, almost 30 hours in and nothing happened... I'm going to play Reload soon and I'm hoping it does a better job than Portable.
People must really hate themselves because Atlus did a bang up job with P3R and is the best way to experience the game If you haven't already. I don't understand when people say portable is the definite way to play the game because lets face it, it was made in a time when they had to cut back elements of the game to make it work on a portable device, so it's ironic that people rather play a cut down version of P3.
I thought it was a pretty good remake of Persona 3 . I really enjoyed hanging out with you male party members and their struggles. I do love the hi res cutscenes is curve . And I have someone who has an Ultrawide monitor and if this did support it . But I think my biggest problem was the game it did feel too easy compared to other Persona games. Mostly with theurgy is abit overpower. Usually play Persona or SMT as normal since there are times where it can still kick your ass . My other issue was fighting NYX they changed the background color grey to greenish sky .I felt it took away from serious moments fighting NYX . And when they do remake Persona 4 im hoping they will do this . Make Marie the main girl. And Kanji kiss Naoto
I think it's much more fair to compare the P5 dungeons to the Full Moon "Dungeons" which are severely lacking in P3 in comparison. I was still so incredibly happy with the remake and I can't wait for them to do the same with P4.
Honestly reload doesn't look like a bad game, for me it's just that i played in fes and portable and i can notice stuff that reload did worse, the biggest gripe i have is the lightning, everything is too bright and shiny, as if they tried to replicate p5, the dark hour is too green, even the dorm looks unpleasantly bright, it even changes the colour to darker in the winter lol, another thing is sprites and character models, idk why but i jusy find them too flat and emotionless, also im not a big fan of cgi cutscenes over animated ones, in og those looked fantastic, Tartarus became much easier since you can avoid enemies without any difficulties, shadows even despawn after some time, the combat also became easier thx to new spending time with the gang feature where Akihiko becomes a literal god lol overall i think id enjoy this game much more if i installed some mods that'd fix the stuff i didn't like (if those even exist)
You can change the lighting settings in the menu my guy. Flat and emotionless character portraits and models? They look better in P3FES and Portable? That’s a lie.
@@Gokuvsnaruto22 i guess it's subjective but i prefer old sprites over new ones, they managed to capture personality of the characters really well and the artstyle was amazing too, they didn't feel like those blank and common anime faces but more western like, i wish there was a mod that'd replace all the new sprites with upscaled older ones like in p3pr
@@Nikkikoo99 i know this is a hot take, and maybe controversial. But without hating the old game, i'm not a fan of the old sprite. While it's really iconic and really good at capturing character personality You can call me one of the mainstream people and say that my taste is suck, but.... idk, not my cup of tea ig
I started out playing the series with Reload, and let me just say I think this may genuinely one of the best games I’ve ever played. I agree that the missing content from Portable and FES is definitely a valid criticism, and I’m sure would be disappointing if I had played those before Reload, but regardless I still loved the game and enjoyed all of my time with it
As a hot take, I think that last review has a lot valid and interesting arguments, and I wished you showed their argument about the final scene in the game with its full context to see where they're coming from. Of course there's a lot that I disagree with, like the UI, voice acting (except Koromaru, that definetly deserves criticism) and 2d artwork specially, I thought those were weak arguments, and they didn't expand too much on some of the story points in the review, but in terms of sound design, gameplay balance, aesthetic and storytelling elements I strongly agree with them. I of course don't hate the game as much as them, I think is a pretty good way to experience P3 and I'm glad new people are going to meet these characters, but seeing this review painted as unreasonable and "rage bait" rubs me the wrong way
I didn't think it was rage bait at all and I pointed out that I was being the unreasonable one in the video. It was mainly for comedic effect. Like I mentioned earlier in the video all I really ask for out of a review is that people give their reasons for thinking the way they do, and they did, so yeah it wasn't a bad review at all.
@@YandereGogeta I was talking about the comments in the video when I mencioned the rage bait, I shoud've clarified lol. But yeah, I wanted to argue in favor of that review, because despite not being your intention, the video does kind of paint it in a negative way, and I've only seen comments discarding it without looking at it when I think there's some interesting points that could be disscused
I’ll prolly make another video at some point addressing some of the critiques at large (not just with that review but with EVERYTHING) cause this video was a lot more laid back than stuff I usually do. I’d like to make a long, LONG video going over every aspect possible. Would be really fun for sure I will admit though I maybe should have made it a bit more clear in this video that the review wasn’t inherently bad. I’ll keep it in mind going forward so thank you for your feedback
My first persona game was reload I absouletley fell in love with the game. 2 years ago i tried play P5R but couldn't get into it. But now with reload its made me want to play the whole series. Ive already beaten 3 and just finsihed 4. And now im playing persona 1. So as I new persona fan I would think reload was absouletly amazing.
The last review, he brought up very valid points and I have to agree with some of the takes. However I seriously just don’t see being as bad as he’s making it out to be. “Destroyed” is a bit of a reach.
Not gonna lie Tartarus in P3R is the most chilled and enjoyable time I had grinding in a game in a while and not having to worry about extreme whiffing and fatigue is also helping a lot (I'm still at Floor 118 getting distracted by other games is why I'm so behind)
So regarding Femc, its a lot easier to make an entire separate campaign in a visual novel. Femc was unrealistic so for me taking points off for something that wasn't a realistic expectation to begin with isn't fair. Its like being disappointed the mall santa didn't have actual reindeers, of course they didn't you shouldn't have expected that to begin with.
I’d gladly talk with you about my review at 13:52 at any time. I stand by what I said and would’ve appreciated the courtesy of responding to all of what I said critically - I liked hearing your thoughts about the ending comparison in the movie (even if I disagreed mostly). Videos are an inherently unfair platform for discussion when one person can reply in a video and the other can’t, but if you care to we can establish contact. Wishing you well
Forgot to respond to this earlier but yeah I'd be down to talk about it cause truth be told (as I mentioned when you joined my server) I really do regret the way I approached that review in this video. If I could do this video over again I would've done it a lot differently because it was very rude to go about it the way I did. Even though the goal was to make the section funny and humorous it totally messed up the narrative I was trying to go for, which is that every version of P3 has it's ups and downs, but they're all good in their own right. Hence mentioning the cut content from Portable and the edge in atmosphere FES has in some regards. I'll definitely take the L on that one and I do apologize for putting you into a negative light
As someone who never played Portable or PES, I didn't know what to expect going into my first playthrough of Reload. I have played Persona 5 Royal and Strikers as well as dabbling in Persona 4 Golden (which isn't my favorite Persona game personally, but I digress). While I do agree that there are certain aspects that could have been improved upon seeing comparisons between the original Persona 3 and Reload, I certainly can't say it's all bad. I'll start with the music, since it's the most subjective and I have the least to say about it. As far as the music goes, there are definitely songs I like and songs I don't, and please forgive me because I haven't been able to go through the entire soundtrack and learn all the names of the songs yet. On the one hand, songs like Changing Seasons are really amazing ambient music in my opinion, but the song that plays when SEES has the advantage in battle (I'm not sure of the title) isn't the best in my opinion. It doesn't feel as though I've got the advantage when I sneak up on a Shadow and ambush them when that song plays. To use Persona 5 Royal specifically, Last Surprise was a good battle theme for sure, but when you sneak up on a Shadow and ambush them to be greeted by the Takeover track, it's amazing. Takeover goes hard, which I feel is necessary for a battle theme unless there's a particular theme behind the battle (such as a more somber battle between two people who don't wish to fight). I'm certainly not trying to compare Personas 3 and 5 in any way, though, because as someone who's played through at least half the game at this point, they're two completely different experiences. I do think that the similar UI makes for a much better experience because of, for lack of a better word, the quality-of-life changes. Other than that, I don't really see much similarity between them other than the protagonist being a silent one, though that's true for a lot of JRPG characters across the board, which isn't a criticism coming from me. My favorite part of Persona 3 Reload, however, like with Persona 5), is the story that is woven through the characters and events of the plot. Never do I see a conversation between the main cast or watch a cutscene or spend time with a Social Link and think "God, this is so boring." Actually, quite the opposite! For example, the October 4th cutscene with Akihiko has been the most impactful scene in the game for me so far because I've definitely felt what he was feeling in that scene in my own life. While I did choose to go down the Yukari romance route as far as that goes since I feel it's the "safest" option for the first playthrough (I mean, her Social Link IS the Lovers Arcana), I have really gotten close to a lot of the characters personally, as most of them have been through something I've experienced in my own life. I feel like all of the characters are written expertly and are really well-rounded in terms of personality in my opinion. My two favorite characters are going to be Akihiko and Yukari personally, but I could definitely see arguments for all of the characters (including the wonderful Fuuka). I really like the theme of overcoming the fear of death, as it represents a very real fear that I have myself. The dungeon of Tartarus (while the name is wonderfully on the nose) is a dungeon that does things right and does things... not so right. I personally think that the form of a tower rather than taking the literal mythology location of the "depths of the underworld" makes Tartarus a very worthwhile location to have as the central plot point. That said, I feel like the lack of distinct floor divides (I'm on floor 100 and have seen a total of three different environment styles) is pretty underwhelming, but I'm not saying that takes from the dungeon itself seeing that the external design of Tartarus is impeccable. Overall, I think Persona 3 is a wonderful game. Persona 5 is my favorite personally, but Persona 3 is my close second for sure. It's a wonderfully crafted experience. It's not perfect, but I'd like for someone to name a perfect story (I'll wait). Definitely an 8.5/10 for me!
honestly while i don't think its the best way to play Persona 3 that is still FES for me i also think that its the best most accessible way to experience the original game for new players i would legit advise most new players to first play reload and then emulate FES or buy P3P on modern hardware if they want FEMC reload is an amazing version to start with but i just think that people should experience the originals aswell
As someone who has only played P5R and about half of P4G at the time of playing P3RE, I loved P3RE and felt it was exactly what I was looking for in a remake of an old persona game. I have since finished P3RE and P4G and now on my NG+ of P3RE in anticipation for P3EP:A. I CRAVE a remake in this style for P4G. As for the content of FES and Portable not being in the game, that unfortunately was Sega's fault as they gave a budget and release date for the game. The devs didn't wanna make Episode Aigis as DLC but they had no choice as the budget wasn't large enough and the time wasn't enough. We're lucky Sega budged and allowed them to make the answer. Realizing that the devs wanted to make this the definitive P3 game calms my soul a little bit but am disappointed that Korone's route will forever be stuck on P3P unless Sega allows them to either create another DLC or a free update however I doubt they will and at best require another full on budget to get past them, which I am sure Sega wants to use for other projects. The mod for the PC version of P3RE is promising but I think it'll be impossible to change out the social links entirely so the route will forever be trapped on P3P which fortunately is available to purchase on all modern consoles however this still does not excuse this tragedy that Korone will never officially be remade. I still loved P3RE however and hope to see P6 perform well as well as a possible P4G remake
i prefer the rendered cutscenes as opposed to the animated ones because i hate the proportions of the animated ones - and honestly they’re choppier and just feel lower quality to me overall. i felt the same way with p5r, which is the only other persona game ive played on my own that being said, as someone who never played any of the og p3 games, i would LOVE to play as the female protagonist and get an opportunity to do some different social links, ESP shinji, etc. tartarus was good, but i did like having palaces alongside mementos - the theme is great, but i liked the variety of the palaces and how much went on there.
P3R is a really good experience. Some guys, mostly P3FES enjoyers, are being waaay too negative about it and stressing about some small details. At leats you guys will have the answer meanwhile we P3P fans cant have FEMC. DLC pricing is trash tho.
Persona 3 Reload was my first Persona game. I knew very little about the series except Joker and “YOU NEVER SEE IT COMIIIIIIIIIIING”. I woke up and said “Fuck it, we ball” and decided to try it. I was breath taken, I don’t think I’ve experienced peak so much so as playing P3Re
Yeah, for the business practices of atlus the reviews are legitimate. As for the game itself, you have always these hardcore geeks that if there is one thing that is changed or not completely identical they will bash the game. P3R is a very good remake and nobody can deny that. Sometimes you have to take the negative reviews with a grain of salt because the complaints are always subjective. Espacially when most of the reviews are very positive.
Sounds like we need a place to review companies instead then because it doesn't feel fair to leave a review that focuses on external factors. In this case, it's annoying how they're handling things but that isn't necessarily a flaw with the game itself. At this point it feels like The Answer is less DLC and more a spin-off marketed as DLC.
I dunno if I'm just numb to it, or simply a wierdo(not that that's debatable), but I don't mind the cost of the Expansion Pass. Before we even heard about Reload, it was a common oppinion in the fandom that The Answer just plain sucks. As someone who plays The Sims, where you pay for the content you like, and not for the stuff you don't, I think it makes sense to make this optional for players who didn't care for the epilogue's story. And compared to the prices of other games that give DLC, this is honestly a steal. I WISH Simmers could get this level of content for the same price. It's also the same price of Pokemon's DLCs. Dragonball Xenoverse fans probably get about half this content for the same price. $35 is pretty common for DLC that adds whole new story and areas to explore, and if The Answer is anything to go by, it'll be more than worth it. Game making isn't cheap. In Ep Aigis alone, we're getting an entirely new dungeon to explore; a new character; new story, including the backstories for most of the main cast; and of course, 90% of it will be voiced. So they have to pay for new models, new animations, new programing, and new voice lines. That's not cheap, and these people deserve to be paid their full wages for their work
Honestly my only gripe with the game is how expensive the highest tier of it was upon release and how Altus didn’t give the people that purchased that tier - the answer for free, the audacity to charge that much more for DLC that should have been included in the game in the first place left a bad taste in my mouth personally
I understand people being mad about the dlc being expensive, but as someone that already pays for gamepass ultimate which includes the dlc, I’m suprised it’s expensive.
Ever since I completed every mainline game, Persona 3 has always been tied with 5 for my second favorite. Its characters, main story and themes have always been amazing. But Reload is what firmly put it over 5 for me for just one reason, the combat I know some people like P3's combat and I'm not going to discredit their feelings. They're completely different systems each doing their own things right and wrong. Me personally though? I have never dreaded actually playing a game. I'd even take Persona 1's combat over 3's. So when Reload came out and they made the combat closer to 5, I was certain this game would finally take it's spot as my second favorite and I was not disappointed
I’m new to persona series here. I got every game that’s easily available (p3:reload, p5, p4:golden, p3:portable) and so far I’ve been having more fun with persona 3 reload’s Tartarus than the palaces in persona 5. I need to get on 4 tho.
I think the most valid criticism ive seen is the art in reload not being as good in portable and fes, Ill be real i havent played portable or fes but I absolutely love the more retro art style and visuals especialy in the anime cutscenes. But after watching people play portable I definietly believe that reload is the better way to experience the game.
The discussion of art is just about the most subjective thing ever so that's a fair take. I think they're both good, and I do actually think FES has the upper hand in some regards when it comes to art. They're a bit more expressive in FES than Reload. Reload is still good doe
The game is amazing, my problems come through the climax. Its the green atmosphere doesn't have the same feel as when I frought Nyx in Portable. The music known as The Battle for Everyone's souls and Burn My Dread The Last Battle aren't as good as in Portable. Essentially Burn My Dread Last Battle, I kinda wish that it sounded a lot more emotional since we who have beaten the game knows what happens. I'm also in full agreement that I wish they added Femc from the beginning and didn't do their gready business strategies, the Answer at most should be 15-20 dollars. I still love the game, but it doesn't mean I don't have any problems with it.
The fact that the kendo club and swimming club got cut in this version and I don't even remember which second club available in the original and fes version
I never got to play the original P3 or FES. I played a little of P3P but I was not a fan of how it was implemented outside of Tartarus. So when I saw that a remake was dropping, I decided to stop playing Portable. I had only made it to the second full moon boss so I felt comfortable stopping and waiting……..and honestly, I think I made the right call. I got to experience Persona 3 with fresh eyes and I loved it. Now, I don’t know how faithful it is to the original, what was changed, what was cut or whatever……so I can’t speak to that but for that last review to say the game was basically trash is completely asinine.
Im in touch with what i like and dont so i dont even need to look at reviews anymore. There are times i will be wrong but it rarely happens. As for reload, loved it. The fully added voice acting made a lot of social links a lot better than before since you could hear the emotion that was being portrayed. Helped soften charactets whose dialogue alone came out as way too douchy in the original. Loved the added songs, cant realy say more than that about it. The new opening is easily in my top 5 persona openings. Def did the og opening justice. Love the menues, if something was to be carried over from p5 it was def this. Not to mention that the theme of the main character drowning is just on point. Never bothered with the dlc, it was bad buisness practice and i dont support it. I did prefer the cutscenes in the og, they had more atmosphere to them. You felt what they felt. On the other hand atlus showing of what they now can do with in game animation stunned me. They have improved a lot on that field. All in all, loved it.
Tbf the whole yukari scene is more of a problem with p3p not reload bc portable had the scene of her talking and i agree. The fes version is better and ive never seen it as i have no way of playing fes
my biggest problem with P3 Reload was around 4 months left in the game I did everything already, everyday I just ran right to bed to make the day go by quicker. But I think the game is still wonderful I would give it a 9/10
After my first time playing through P3 by playing Reload on PC I gotta say I do love the game however I feel like it's definitely lacking in the extra content department with the expansion pass not really providing much other than Episode Aigis however I do truly appreciate the modding community for making the game more fun like making cool costumes for the team and such
Persona 3 being my favorite game in the series I really like P3R. The combat is still fun, the atmosphere of Tatsumi port island is still amazing and the ost is still amazing. P3R or FF VII Rebirth are my goty for this year
For me i liked the Reload take on some things but i do have some critics about the whole tone of the game felt more "happy" knowing the theme is death and getting over it. Also the game became REALLY easy after you get the whole shift, Arcane burst and theurgy mechanics even on hard or merciless its like a walk in the park. Grinding gets even easier with the rare blessing and floor spam to get the gold shadows with extra EXP. Some of the voice actors do a pretty good job (Junpei for me was the best and i still wonder why they took the road of giving Akihiko a deep hunky voice) Yet Yukari leave me waiting for the original V.A... The whole DLC issue is simply the worst and missing FemC still hurts, Yet the game is great, the music is a blast (except for the mass destruction remake) Character desing, art direction and menus are even cooler than the P5 ones but we need to be honest the game has its issues.
I’m someone who really loved reload but also was a fan of the original and while i would say i enjoy “playing” p3r a lot more, i would not be happy with lots of people only experiencing the persona 3 through p3r. I definitely agree with the cutscene criticisms and personally feel the 2d ones look a lot more interesting and much better fit p3s atmosphere. I didn’t like the opening cutscene for p3r because I think being able to interact with the street takes away both from pacing and mr door’s personality. He just seems so much less unbothered and apathetic at the beginning as a result. In general i thought it was very strange the way they allocated resources. Why are the SEES outfits given a cutscene instead of many of the key story cutscenes (it’s for trailers)? Frankly for a game at this price point, a lot more things should have 2d cutscenes and, when they are there, they’re beautiful. For me p3r has a lot of really strong points: beautiful UI, more to do with SEES, makes Tartarus way less tedious (as someone who generally finds persona gameplay gets old fast but if you love it i’m sure you might disagree), theurgies and personality skill things add lots of personality, excellent japanese voice acting. I think the music was good. P3r has better music for the background I would say, but i like listening to the originals more when it’s not as bgm. With voice acting, I think it’d be better if people experienced this game with japanese voices as these are excellent across the board and quite literally true to the original. These jp vas are truly some of the biggest and best of the last 30 years. Both og p3 and p3r on the other hand have mixed quality English dubs. I actually do like a lot of the vas and performances in both but i think there was some bad direction/casting going on and it’s reflected in how it does not match the original characters portrayed by the japanese voicing. At the end of the day if people like it, they can like it but I don’t and would urge people to go for the original japanese voices for this game. I also am someone who thinks femc should stay as a portable thing or an add-on since it changes p3’s tone and characters enough that it isn’t a simple gender switch so i’m not upset they didn’t add her. Ofc the dlc management for p3r is bad and i won’t be buying it (will probably watch it tho). Overall I had a really good time and would recommend p3r to new players over the old versions. QoL and aesthetics are very strong for p3r but please consider also looking at the old cutscenes as p3 really doesn’t feel complete without them. The new content definitely is enough to justify playing it again for returning players. It’s a very fun and thought-provoking game as expected
Glad to see the missing content being discussed. Singularly it was the lack of femc that kept me from finishing this game May not be a big deal to others, but I’ve been there since p3p. So seeing a lot of that stuff cut really dampened my experience especially bc it never seemed to be a priority for them even though this is the 4th version of the game (original, fes, p3p, Reload).
@@YandereGogeta When you realize it: Reload is basically a Remake version of FES with few additions carried over from Portable that applies to both MC and FEMC’s route such as missing person side quest for example. Kotone specifically is an understandable notion that should be always pointed out the most in your future videos regarding Reload’s absent content, considering Sega’a business shenanigans didn’t allow ATLUS enough time. But I did seen some petty haters out there including extremist femc fans spread misinfo about Reload scrapping more than adding content. Of course, Those who do research will know such rhetoric is not even remotely true lol, FES actually had Multi-weapons and March interactions with finished, All of Which P3P actually scrapped alongside Answer because storage issues, Nonetheless It’s a flimsy attempt to ruin other’s enjoyment of the game and I wish there wasn’t bad blood over versions within the minority section of the p3 community.
@@YandereGogeta Edit: Regarding March interactions, I actually meant to say lack of world exploration at time of writing the comment, But of course that is the most obvious glaring absence in Portable.
Since this video is all about criticism ig i can give my take on it. Relating to the tartarus point, yes i did play 5 before 3 but the random generation wasn't why i didn't care for tartarus. The real problem was...actually exploring tartarus is incredibly clunky? Between the awkard geometry you need to traverse and the weird ass arc your sword takes, it was something i never cared to explore for, and felt very mind numbing. Still better than 4's never ending hallways they call dungeons tho. In terms of the atmosphere argument, while yes it is 3's theme as a story, is also kind of boring for the only dungeon in the game? Most of the locales look like varying motifs of a school zone, and on top of that desolation as a concept means there's only nothingness left in tartarus. From a story perspective it works, but from a gameplay perspective that only adds to the mind numbing gameplay that is exploring tartarus and looping the shadows. Emptiness leads to lack of stimulation in terms of level design after all. Add all this together and i honestly struggle to remember much abour what goes on in tartarus aside from the block visual motifs. Like actually i can't even remember any of the gate keepers now
I still haven't played Reload (I watched some stramers I like playing a great bunch of it though) but from I could see the visuals are so much better in almost every single aspect - they surely have some Persona 5 influence but they still have their own identity, which really honor the classic Persona 3 visual identify, it's basically the same essence but improved by 100x. The only thing I agree is that the original cutscenes using animated scenes instead of in-game graphics are so much better in general and they truly have a better atmosphere and better direction. When it comes to the rest I just can't see what they are complaining about. And another thing to add is that I fucking hate Tartarus for being so repetitive, having so many random encounters and making you grind so much in the original and the FES version, while it's seems to me that they did the best they could to make tartarus easier to tolerate in the Reload, but I still have to play it for myself and to see if that's really the case.
P3R is a good companion piece to P3FES that will be treated as a replacement because it's more pallatable. I liked it well enough, especially after link episodes started, but it falls short of the original in a few key areas, chief among them being combat. It feels better, but it's so much easier I'm almost insulted. P3fes wasn't that hard. It had multiple cycles of power-curving, where you get to a new area and are actually almost useless, grind up, get so powerful the shadows won't even fight you, push through a challenging floor boss and repeat. It was a good system. Reload feels almost like a performatice retelling of the original.
the things I think Persona 3 Reload did better: a) it's more accessible in the current decade b) the English dubbing c) prettier graphics and cutscenes d) better movement and smoother controls e) Aigis' and Fuuka's voice actors f) better social link experience g) persona fusion skill choice things I miss from FES: a) fatigue + 100% health/sp regen after returning to the entrance b) more gore/gloomier c) it looked more unique - Reload looks like P5R with a P3 skin d) the OP movie e) the emptiness on the PS2 seemed like a design choice. with the remake is just looks unfinished, like the overworld seems like they didn't put much thought or love into it f) certain voice actors g) music things I miss from P3P: a) Theodore b) individual team cutscenes why it's better than P3P: a) 3D exploration and cutscenes b) I hate FeMC c) more cutscenes why P3 vanilla is better: a) allowing Shinji and/or Chidori to be saved after dying destroys the message and theme of the game. what's the point in accepting death if anyone can just be resurrected via plot armour final decision: FES is still superior Reload is a great remake and I appreciate it I wish they cherry-picked the social links instead of just giving us Yuki's route with only the female party members getting links P3P sucks and Atlus should have just announced Reload sooner instead of charging extra for a horrible port of a game that aged like old milk stop resurrecting characters when the whole point of the game is accepting death Reload's OP movie is the worst
I'm sorry, hard disagree by reload op movie is the worst, i'd say fes ( not the vanilla one ) is the worst I still agree if it's not better than burn my dread, but worse than fes op? Nah
Walls of text? High schoolers? Feels weird to decry what is basically he entirety of the series identity. Comments like this make me think they just hate persona in general
The very only thing i was dissapointed was the social links, coming from P5 all the confidants had something that would make feel attached to the characters, p4 had all those funny moments that makes you feel in the place of the mc and think you were in fact surrounded by friends, but p3, and i can understand it was the 1st one to implement the community mechanic, felt so out of place in that area, like you said "hi dude, bye dude" it felt really lacking to say the least
Honestly, my biggest gripe with this game is that it's a persona game after persona 5, for better and worse. (Primarily worse gameplay wise) It felt too similar to persona 5 on the gameplay side, with only changes and additions to skills. I feel like if they removed shifting, brought back the AI party members (hot take, I know), but kept the option for direct control, I would've liked it way more. I know you can have the AI party members, but it feels like the AI for them has gotten progressively worse from game to game after 3. It feels borderline unplayable with them now. Besides the gameplay, everything aside from some songs in the soundtrack is an improvement, especially the voice acting. While I do miss some voices, especially Aigis, they did an amazing job on the recasting of everyone.
P3R is amazing. I can't even take negative reviews seriously. Yeah, the dlc practices are lame. Outside of that there's nothing else bad about the game. P3R is most definitely the definitive way to play P3 Now as far as some criticisms go, there is always something to criticize. Some are valid viewpoints, as they're subjective. Love the soundtrack. The Yukari scene I like equally between reload and the original. The MC awakening I like equally in reload and the original. Tartarus is infinitely better, especially the combat.
The mood of the game is just... Off in comparison to the original the even fucked up the dorm and made it all bright then at the end of the game they just slap a filter over it
It’s hard to say what is truly the definitive version to play, but I would agree that in my eyes reload is about as definitive as it gets for Persona 3.
TDIL that i wish to continue not caring about stranger's opinion on the internet. Never cared about steam reviews and will continue to do so. I prefer getting disapointed by a game myself because some of those reviews are just pointless since most of the aspects of the game they criticize are subjective. The game's not perfect but it has improved a lot from the original persona and even if it's a little pricey nobody is forced to buy it.
I just bought persona three Reload. I played persona 3 a lot, so hopefully I'm not disappointed. I played the original game, so I have a lot of expectations The female protagonist was never in the original game. It was at the beginning, but it was cut not until the portable version
I have one rule when it comes to games: If the "localizers" insist on removing or altering the script because of "modern sensibilities" then I don't touch it. The way I see it, thats no better than looking at a painting and insisting it needs a splotch of black paint over it because it upsets you.
@@ogre589 you mean when they chose to change it from white to good looking? Sometimes it's just to make sound better in English when it voice acted my dude
I am only halfway through Reload (other games keep distracting me) and I think it is great, unless the 2nd half of the game is a trainwreck I'm sure any review I leave will be positive. My biggest complaint may seem minor, but it still frustrates me: The protagonist is once again stuck with just using 1 handed swords. Why? FES let you use almost any weapon type to fit your team comp and yet every other version of this game forces him to use swords. Want someone with a strike weapon on your team? Your only option now is Akihiko and it is lame. Yes there are persona skills that give you access to all attack types, but I want my protagonist to actually make use of the axes since from what I remember of the original game you won't have use of them for long.
I hate how they took out some mechanics. The fatigue system only worked because there were so little night social links. Its a great game but its really not a "faithful remake"
I hate this internet mindset of when something is not as good as the other, then it is "worse in every way" even though they ignore the potential things they did better. I swear if Portal 2 came out today, there will be people who feels like its not as tightly knit as the first, and say "Worse in every way" I blame Crowbcat for this. At least for popularizing it
Man I just don’t get the obsession with FeMC Other than the different social links, that does seem cool, but I’m not about to play a game this long for some minor differences
I think it's moreso that this is the one chance female players get to play as their own gender in a more high-res game and it was just kinda disregarded, FEMC also does add a bit of new content for even male players too
Yeah, I mean, I like FemC but bro, they are asking for two remade games for the price of one and with the development time of one... If they charged them double what they charged for Reload, I would understand, but people ask and ask, but if you told them hey, you're not going to pay $70 for this game, it's going to be $140, they'd lose their minds.
@@frikizone2.03 I didn’t even think about that, it would probably raise the price some wouldn’t it. Maybe not double, but people would freak out over even a 5 dollar increase
I think not liking the new music is one thing, that’s totally a valid opinion, for me it doesn’t trump the original, but I think all of the songs are at least good with a few being my preferred version. Saying it sounds like persona 5 is insane though, the sonic aesthetic is so different I really can’t see it
Yeah idk where theyre smokin there but i do wish that i could have the original fes music
They probably mean Sonic Rush which would be cool but it feels like a stretch.
Yeah I’m not sure what they were cooking with that Persona 5 cut songs thing
@@ShadowOfMassDestructionNah they mean sonic qualities of the music which is just way off. Sonic qualities of an ost can vary from instrument choice down to how those instruments are recorded and mixed, general timbre etc
These mfs don't know i bought it just for a better fuuka VA
Fuuka best girl
@@YandereGogeta my man 🤝
I gotta admit as this is my first time playing any version of persona 3 she sounds pretty good kinda my reintroduction to the series my first persona game was persona 2 on the psp
@@Pizzaguy975 your first game...was persona 2?
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Real shit
That last review was 100% ragebait…no way they hate everything about P3R
how could they hate "it's going down now"
Certainly possible, but hey I’ve seen a lot of hate on the game so it’s hard to say for sure.
So we're just going to ignore the Resident evil remakes and just hate on The reload?
@@Fleshlight_Reviewer idk man i like mass destruction 100x more even wiping all out is a banger
@@Fleshlight_Reviewer They literally praised the song and the new singer on the new tracks in their review.
I play both p3 fes and reload. P3 fes was the first one I’ll played and I say there might been a few aspect they did better. But I love the way they did reload in every way yes it still needs a few improvements but for me I’m not gonna really care. Persona helped me change to view the world differently
its good to see other person that played FES and likes reload its sad sometimes because despite the flaws I still in all honestly prefer reload over FES call me crazy but that's what I think
I basically feel the same way
@@xx-syntaxyete-xx5424I can flip-flop between them both any day of the week imo, it justs depends on what specific thing I want on that playthrough.
@@xx-syntaxyete-xx5424You ain't alone man. I've experienced Persona 3 in every way besides the original. Read the manga, watched the movies and played both FES and Portable. I still think Reload is the definitive experience despite its flaws
@@xx-syntaxyete-xx5424 Same. Played FES as a teen in 2011, it left a huge impact on me. But FES had aspects that felt archaic even at that time (forced romances for the female links, lack of any social aspects for the male members of SEES, questionable voice acting at times, and a whole slew of things related to the gameplay).
Reload really gave us the definitive Journey experience. Would have been nice to have the FEMC route, but the cost in time and money needed for creating it would probably add a whole year of development time, not to mention make it harder for the game to recoup its costs.
I honestly think removing yukari's "Ugh, there's no way I can't" line would significantly improve the scene, imo it breaks the tension, i don't think it's the delivery of the line just that it's there vs silently tossing aside the evoker as she collapses.
That's a fair take
i had to be fair, the delivery of this specific line was not it, if she cried like in FES it would have been better i think. the rest of the line are fire tho and i like that they added that, it's a bit sad that they didn't implement all the "tension-building" micro scenes that were in FES with all the camera movement, close shot and allat. But they are both great none is far superior
This has probably been said before, but the expansion pass drama, and the day 1 dlc isn't atlus fault. it's an initiative by sega to extend the game life spans.
Yeah I know but regardless it’s still valid to push back against it if you’re not happy with the business practices
Considering its still a remake of a remake of a remake that originally stated it would not have X content then suddenly have the content released as an `expansion` feels like a massive flip off.
Because even with the Persona 5 `polish`, if you already played Persona 3, Persona 3: FES AND Persona 3 Portable, then you have little care for what half feels like a definitive `lack` remake. Especially when its once again pulling that additional personas that break the game as a DLC addition, where even if you dont buy it, the feel such a OP thing is present doesnt help the feels.
Since its similar to the feel when a hacker can strut into a difficult fight, one-shot them and walk away, even more so when the game locks a very useful thing behind said content, that conviently gives an alternative or OP thing behind a paid DLC. Refer to Grand blue Fantasy: Relink who has had up to THREE, `free` DLC characters locked behind extremely ridiculously hard to clear, even more so to farm pair of boss fights that conviently have the option to pay around 5 bucks, PER CHARACTER, to just unlock them instantly, including alot of the gear (sigils) and likely save days or even a week or two of grinding for them instead.
Which i am sure plenty are still enraged by things like gamefreak deciding to huck its remake for Diamond/Pearl to a 3rd party company and didnt bother to make them be definitive editions with the features of Platinum.
Where even if Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire likely lacked things from Emerald, the amount of quality, polish and inclusion of a `Episode Delta` to act as its `Emerald` to the game, including mega evolutions that were originally an X/Y thing, made it 100% feel like the same gag as Final fantasy 7 Remake & Rebirth when compared to the original Final Fantasy 7, an overall redesign of the game in more ways then one, then simply a lazy remaster where over 70% of the new stuff is just a visual style and not much else.
@BladeSerph im not saying the situation is good I'm not defending them I'm just saying that we should not place the blame entirely on atlus
@@B4mn First impressions are everything and whenever anyone suddenly doubles back on something they said, its just scummy period.
If they simply did not have any comment about the Answer being released or maybe do something better like a small teaser for say a second in a trailer to lead to the idea we may or may not have Metis come back then it would of been a perfect segway to announce the Answer after that.
Distrustful actions will always lead to problems and if it wasnt for the fact its just Persona 3 in Persona 5 graphic style at the end of the day, i would of said they should of just had Answer and FeMC as part of Persona 3 Reload period.
Since now that people are just straight up modding FeMC in and doing a high quality damn job of it too, that just puts the idea that either Atlus needs to freaking lock in and commit to bringing in FeMC or take the L they did not go full in with a Definitive edition.
Since especially in this day and age with how often games get remake/remastered, doing things like `skipping` part of the content that were in previous versions, just creates a problem gap of whats the real `definitive edition` to play at the end of the day. Especially when it comes to the cost of acquiring it, what is actually present and especially if some COMPLETE EDITION exists before some new `remake/remaster` came out and that remake/remaster conviently is missing out large portions of content that could of been massive QoLs like additional story and moar.
@BladeSerph they said in a interview that sega kinda forced their hand. They did not intend on making the anwser but sega wanted them to
People tend to look at things with their rose-tinted glasses. A few opinions are perfectly valid. But others are just purely nostalgic bias
I thought it was nastolgia at first, but I honestly feel the exact same way towards P3R that I do towards SMT Strange Journey Redux. Unesecary and disrespectful to the original vision. P3R feels less like P3 and more like P5 with a P3 coat of paint. I guess if that's what you want more power to you, but everything they added pales in comparison to what was flatout removed or is a shadow of what it once was. The lighting feels really shallow at points, especially the Dark Hour green. Bosses, once you get Theurgy, have no chance, and the game loses all balance. A feature I really like that they removed was allowing multiple different weapon types for the protagonist. I don't know why they didn't include this besides pure laziness, I guess. Also, I'm good with them adding direct commands, but the original version of the tactics menu should've still been there. The original tactics menu and party AI were actually competent. The whole marinkarin meme issue only happens if you don't think properly with tactics (I replayed parts of the original to confirm this). I do like the new voice cast more than the old one. They are much more emotional in their performances. Even though they chose to use the P3P script for their lines, which is just kind of worse than the FES one. I like it when the dialogue enhances what is being shown rather than flat-out exposition dumping. The second thing I like more than the original is the soundtrack (besides Battle For Everyones Souls). A lot of people like the old one more, but I think the insturmentaion is much more well balanced, and mass destruction is less of an annoying ear worm and more of a groove. I still don't like Joy, but it's more tolerable now. Iwotodai Dorm is also less grading for hours on end of hearing it throughout the game. The final major point of praise I have for the game is the rewriting of many social links, making them feel more natural, well paced, and less redundant. Yeah solid game compared to a lot of other ones, but it's not nearly as good as P3
@@macemaster5295Damn dawg you complaining about a lot of little shit
i think people need to come to understand that recency bias is probably a much stronger influencer on people's inability to criticize media than nostalgia bias
@@gmerc1333 you made that up my dude why should people listen to you?
@@Gokuvsnaruto22recency bias is definitely real
10:48 this was a common problem in persona 5 where they felt the need to dumb things down, and over explain what was happening because they had no faith in the audience. In this scene yukari literally explains how to shoot yourself in the head, and then says she cant do it. They couldn't have dumbed it down any less. The original showed that yukari feared death by having her not go through with the act, but reload just tells you that she fears death when she verbally says she cant do it
Yeaaah, even when you compare P5 Vanilla and Royal (I played both, in release order) they uh... really made the twists more obvious. The interrogation room in particular. There was no hint or warning and a LOT of people apparently lost then.
This isn't unique to Persona; a lot of games seem to be "dumbing down" certain aspects of themselves. I'm a filthy-ass casual but there's a BIG difference between accessibility vs holding my hand like I can't add 1 plus 1.
To be fair, I wouldn't put much faith in the Persona fanbase either...there are many people who whine about stuff just because they don't understand human psychology and assume the worst about characters motivations and personalities.
@@Miyakolover Yeah. Like, people still give Akechi crap over his life as an illegitimate child/orphan without considering those kind of children may have different experiences on the other side of the planet
@@awesomesmileyguy Exactly that.
There are even people who act like Yukari and Natsuki are worse that Takaya and Jin for crying outloud.
Thank you for mentioning new players. I think we're often forgotten abt in these conversations because a lot of convos are about which game does what better.
But i went into reload mostly blind and had nothing but p5 to compare it to. So i got to take it in for what it is and not what it's trying to be. And honestly I'm glad cuz i enjoyed reload greatly including the things other people hated (including the music and voice acting 🥴)
Prob just because if you have something like p3 fes and know how good the original one was you see a lot more problems because standalone i dont think its that bad but considering what it is i dont think its a great game
The new players are just as valid and important as the long standing ones and I think people miss that point
@@YandereGogeta 100% agree not everyone played the original and i mean you cant fault someone for that
was this comment supposed to be longer??
i think this game should ABSOLUTELY GET THE GOTY
Until we see how good Metaphor ReFantazio is, I'm undecided.
Agreed, this and Metaphor are gonna sweep Goty
@@PixelPikminNah, _Purse owner 3_ wins.... Now go collect some things so Captain Olimar can escape the planet
Personally I don’t think remakes should be a contender for game of the year.
@@frikizone2.03 Bro this comment is peak🙏😭😭😭
For me personally, i think Reload was a great game and improved on FES/Portable in almost every way. Granted, Reload was actually my introduction to Persona which led me to play every other Persona game before it. I finished P5R twice, finished P4G and finished P3P and i was gonna play FES but i kinda have P3 burnout rn so maybe another time so my comparisons are mostly with Portable and i think it goes without saying which is the better game objectively
That isnt to say that Reload is a perfect game since such a thing doesnt exist. There are definitely many ways they couldve improved the game such as adding all the extra content from the original games to Reload or FEMC but i understand Game dev isnt the easiest thing in the world and would need to cut corners to meet a deadline but it doesnt stop me from being a little disappointed
Things like Music, Gameplay, Voice Acting ( i will touch up on that later) and others are massive improvements but there are a few things i thought was better in the Original.
Some music i prefer in the original such as the original Mass Destruction after listening to the original sounds like it has more impact? Or such in a way, its hard to explain but i did prefer the original as well as the original Dorm music too but thats just my opinion.
I dont think i need to get into Gameplay since i feel like it is an improvement in every single aspect, im not a hardcore player so i dont really care if it makes the game baby easy since i dont determine a game’s quality based on how difficult the game is
For Voice acting, all the voices are amazing. Especially from someone like Mitsuru, Fuuka, Ken, Junpei, Midori and Yukari and others. Though i feel like at some parts, the original voice acting did better but it wasnt the voices that was a benefactor but the direction. Like the scene with Yukari screaming bloody murder before you stop the train from crashing, it was far more impactful in the original than in Reload. But other than a few scenes, all the VAs did a fantastic job.
With the Cutscenes, im a bit iffy on. While they are still good in Reload, FES did a few of them better in my opinion such as the cutscenes first showing people turning into coffins at the backalley. Reload got the shorter end of the stick there and the Mo-capped cutscene can look a little awkward at times like the ending scene of everyone running to the roof, someone pointed out that when it shoes Yukari running, you can see the backgrounf slowly coming to a stop which kinda ruined the scene for me when looking back. So in the Cutscene department, some looked alot better in FES
In general, Reload is a fantastic game and got me into Persona but there are slight things which can be improved upon.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
My biggest gripe is the day one DLC, I get that they want to add cool things from the other games, but to me it seems to be a blatant cash grab. And the fact that they said originally they had no plans on doing The Answer, then released the $200 Aigis edition, which I admit I did buy, which said it contained all DLC, just for them to announce fairly soon after release that The Answer would come costing half of the base game and anyone who bought any edition containing ALL DLC would still have to shill out that $35.
I think this is setting a pretty bad precedent for the industry as a whole, showing that game companies can get away with releasing DLC (lots of season passes and cosmetics, and lots of useless things), sometimes day one , in Atlus's case releasing an integral part of the story behind a paywall. A game I know who did this correct was GOW: Ragnarok, with the Valhalla DLC. A free DLC about the games epilouge.
The missing FeMC discussion and hate should be tossed aside. Devs specifically stated that it would have cost way too much and too more time to do. Which is true when you think about it. New assets need to be added, from the Persona to the UI to the character model itself. And that is the small and easy part. Voicing each of her S. Links, changing story voiced content to have "Her" now instead of "Him" (Meaning some lines will have to recorded twice over). It would be an honest mess and I'm fine with her not being included (I'm sure I missed MORE things they would have needed to shell out cash for). Remember that the FeMC was in Portable and not the OG games. Meaning most of the work was done. All Atlus at the time had to do was take an already completed game and add new content (which is the FeMC and her stuff) which doesn't compare to starting everything from scratch.
Shady practices aside, Atlus is a business, not a charity. I feel as if we the gaming community need to learn that devs are not our friends but some dudes and gals who made something so they can get our cash. Our enjoyment to (most) of them is secondary (Some devs create FREE and amazing games, I know but put that aside for a moment).
P3R was amazing and Door-kun's Journey made me cry yet again. Let's leave it at that or I'll put a bunch of large speakers outside your houses and blast "Memories of You" when you try to sleep so you can go to bed depressed
I will say that by virtue of this being a remake a long time player can definitely see how far Persona has come in dialogue writing, characterization of the silent protagonist (It sounds like an oxymoron, but if you know you know), and the variety of social link characters. Persona 3 has a different bone structure than five and even four, so retrofitting new features into that skeleton shows. It's not limited to this, because both Golden and Royal have moments where you can tell which are added features. In some cases even the writing of the Link episodes in Reload feel stronger than the actual base game.
To me it's not objectively good or bad, but it does remind me of how Pokemon remakes tend to slap on new features but keep the relative aged features of the original.
This was my first Persona game, and honestly it set the bar SO high for me. Persona had always been on my radar and like a million years ago I had tried Persona 5 but I wasn't in the right mindset to play it so I dropped it and wrote the series off to a "one day I'll give it a shot."
Well for my birthday, a friend of mine bought Persona 3R and I dove headfirst and I loved every second of it. Sure, there's some pacing problems but I have absolutely zero frame of reference for this game from the old Persona 3. I thought the story and combat was great, I thought the music was wonderful and unironically might what finally gets me into rap as a genre. I platted not only this game, but it inspired me to get the Platinum for P5R too, and I'll be working on 4G next.
I thought the characters and voice acting were absolutely stellar all around. It shocked me to hear this is the first time social links get fully voiced scenes all the way through, but it did such a tremendous job selling me on these characters that everytime I hit a rank 10, I was crying my eyes out at what was going on. This game made me cry multiple times and I can confidently say it's one of my favorite games bar none now. I will always be thankful my friend got me a birthday gift like this because it finally opened the door to a game series that I was always going to put on the backburner.
That being said I still don't approve of the DLC pricing and choices, even if I will begrudgingly get Episode Aigis anyways because I love this world and the characters so much I want to see the next step on their journey.
I recommend taking a look at the video by Nam's Compendium called How Persona 3 Lost It's Identity. It sums up pretty well some of the more valid criticisms of the game.
persona fans when you give them quality of life changes:
Honestly my biggest gripe with the game is just the 3rd block, the blue one. In the original it was a M.C. Escher like decor which was fitting for the tower as it grows from the ground like a teratoma of architecture (search up teratoma on your own risk) forming from the (crystal) matrix of the school. But in reload it’s all just machinery, visual noise and so much small geometry to get stuck on, it was the biggest let down, I remember that in the original in the background of battle there was these two circles rolling on a curved piece and it used stairs as if it was cogs, it was so cool! I was so relieved when the next block the golden palace was so open air and then the rest was pretty easy to navigate, but I wish the big rooms were more frequent, really surprised me when I first saw them and I think the reaper is to easy to run around, didn’t give me that would escaping fear from hearing chains anymore, but it walking up stairs was good tho. Anything else that was in the game was just great
Bro, I was kind of excited when I saw the factory aesthetic, I’m a sucker for that sort of thing, but man the map geometry pissed me off quick
@@colfdralegend you should play nier automata then
@@shiningstar737 aaaahh you just reminded me that I haven’t finish that yet, didn’t get far either
But yes, of what I played, I did like the aesthetic for the most part
@@colfdralegend well then get on it then, and you ain’t done until you get ending E
People who says FES or Portabel are better are trolls who hates good gameplay
I thought it was nastolgia at first, but I honestly feel the exact same way towards P3R that I do towards SMT Strange Journey Redux. Unesecary and disrespectful to the original vision. P3R feels less like P3 and more like P5 with a P3 coat of paint. I guess if that's what you want more power to you, but everything they added pales in comparison to what was flatout removed or is a shadow of what it once was. The lighting feels really shallow at points, especially the Dark Hour green. Bosses, once you get Theurgy, have no chance, and the game loses all balance. A feature I really like that they removed was allowing multiple different weapon types for the protagonist. I don't know why they didn't include this besides pure laziness, I guess. Also, I'm good with them adding direct commands, but the original version of the tactics menu should've still been there. The original tactics menu and party AI were actually competent. The whole marinkarin meme issue only happens if you don't think properly with tactics (I replayed parts of the original to confirm this). Tactics plays completely different and makes you think more than direct commands, which would've made a great alternate way to play the game. Slower more methodical gameplay is not inherently worse than fast-paced, case, and point SMT SJ. I do like the new voice cast more than the old one. They are much more emotional in their performances. Even though they chose to use the P3P script for their lines, which is just kind of worse than the FES one. I like it when the dialogue enhances what is being shown rather than flat-out exposition dumping. The second thing I like more than the original is the soundtrack (besides Battle For Everyones Souls). A lot of people like the old one more, but I think the insturmentaion is much more well balanced, and mass destruction is less of an annoying ear worm and more of a groove. I still don't like Joy, but it's more tolerable now. Iwotodai Dorm is also less grading for hours on end of hearing it throughout the game. The final major point of praise I have for the game is the rewriting of many social links, making them feel more natural, well paced, and less redundant. Yeah, it's a solid game compared to a lot of other ones on the market, but it's not nearly as good as P3FES. It feels so uninspiring. My best comparison is how I feel about ORAS
Fr. P3 is mediocre and reload makes the game actually good
If the songs in Reload don't fit, then neither to do the songs in P3. 95% of them the same songs from the original, just slightly remixed
and the only new song I can think of is Its Going Down which is on point for where it plays in the game. If you get an advantage on the enemy by ambushing them then it should be upbeat since you're going to easily overcome a threat
Holy,that last review put me in brainrot mode.
Like no way am I going to believe that they meant ANY of what they said in that review and instead did it for the ragebait
I think some things are valid but it definitely just comes off the wrong way imo
why not? why is it so impossible to believe that someone can sincerely dislike something, especially while explaining why in plain english?
@@gmerc1333 because maybe you strongly disagree with their points and think they’re stupid, there’s no way it could be real because it’s disingenuous.
why is it so impossible for you to understand that?
@@Gokuvsnaruto22 somebody thinking something you personally don't agree with isn't what disingenuous means. do you think you would agree with someone describing your feelings on persona 3 reload as "disingenuous" simply because of a difference of opinion? are they right simply because they believe that of you?
or maybe people can dislike something, give their reasons for feeling that way, and also completely mean what they're saying when they do so. not agreeing with you on something doesn't make something ragebait, and if that's how your brain is wired you have some growing up to do.
@@gmerc1333 i didn’t say just because i disagree it’s disingenuous, the criticism itself is disingenuous meaning that it’s not coming from a genuine place. like wtf you mean don’t try to correct me on what disingenuous means i know what it means.
you yourself have some growing up to do if you think all criticism is automatically valid and it can’t come from a disingenuous place because you agree with it.
I love reload but I think FES specifically *feels* better in a weird way i can't fully explain, its small things like the animations, the hp bars, the way Tartarus floors are generated, and well the overall difficultly.
I also vastly prefer the original version of one more from FES where when using an aoe attack you had to knockdown every enemy to get your 1 more and standing up used your turn, like getting knocked down in p4+ is just an aesthetic thing while in p3 it actually mattered.
Persona 3 reload is a lot softer than Persona 3 PS2. I’m not talking about the weirdly cheery atmosphere of Reload while PS2 is dark and gloomy. Just yesterday I was doing Yukari social link. Remember when those three guys trapped her in the alleyway? That is not in Reload. I guess the possibility of rape and sexual assault is just too extreme for modern audience.
and thats why persona 3 reload is bad, it caters to the modern audience. its the same game from before but with a ton of sugarcoat and removed content behind paywall🥱
I played that part of her social link just the other day. It absolutely is in Reload. If you're gonna criticize it at least don't just make shit up
If i could talk about art direction for a moment (specifically from an artist's PoV), i think Reload's visual presentation is phenomenal. While i do think the other versions sell the sense of atmosphere a bit better, Reload makes up for it by just being so beautiful to look at, with the UI & Menus being some of the best examples of that.
If i could nitpick about one thing, however, is that some of the cutscenes feel a bit off compared to the original, mainly OG P3/FES. I'm not talking about Pre-rendered or 2D Anime cutscenes either, I'm more so talking about the ones you see with most of the game. Ya'know, with the in-game character models
To give one or 2 examples, i wanna discuss Ken eavesdropping Aki's & Shinji's conversation & the scene when Aki talks to Shinji about his Suppression Pills
In the former, we don't see Ken until the end, where he's been upstairs & listening to the conversation, making it unlikely for him to be spotted... In Reload, he's just walking into them, only to hide behind a huge vase while listening to the conversation. NGL, it kinda threw me off & it made me wonder how nobody pointed that out
As for the latter, Akihiko punches Shinji on both versions, but in Reload, he takes a fighting stance before throwing a weak looking punch... Which made the cutscene look a little goofy...
In the original, he straight up punches him in the face. No build up, no warning, just a straight up punch to the face. Once so hard, Shinji actually got pushed back & even better, everyone was looking at the boys when that happened. I think that sells the impact of the scene much better IMO.
Again, these are just nitpicks at best & overall, i think P3R is a wonderful game when it comes to visuals. I can't wait to see how Episode Aegis turns out on that department
in a way i think most are kind of blind how history of this phenomon for persona has happend before with the psp remakes of p1-2. p1's psp ost goes even further at changing the atmosphere then reload ever did and i for one feel as though it misses the mark with what persona 1 is presenting narratively as the music played a key part, it also objectively is a downgrade with half the track size and a lot of repetition and constant re-use along with most of the tracks lasting 30 seconds on loop, this lead to p1 psp bombing in sales so for the later psp remakes the remixed ost slowly became more like the the original in each installment to the point ep psp is regarded as being superior (which is kind of funny with how it didn't come out the west).
I had to make a Powerpoint presentation for my psychologist, so I tried to recreate some of the Persona 3 Reload UI style from memory... She was so impressed, you could literally see it on her face every time things moved, it is undoubtedly a visual style that impresses
I think the new Ken cutscene is better, I don't think he should be able to hear their conversation so precisely from upstairs
@@joaolima7131 You'd be surprised how good some people's hearing senses are at times. Plus, they weren't exactly whispering to each other either.
Tell me you have never thrown a punch without saying it.
I don't dislike persona 3 reload, I actually enjoyed it and I'm glad they remade it however, I do have some criticisms for the game.
Mainly yes, as you stated in the video, I feel disappointed that this game was not the "definitive" edition of persona 3, they should have added the answer from the start and femc as well and many other things.
Second criticism is also kinda addressed in this video, such as when you mentioned the part where the animation was replaced by 3d cutscene, although I don't really have a problem with the 3d cutscene I believe that the whole game's "atmosphere" is different from the original, it feels much more "lighter", I can't describe it perfectly but the game's tone feels a bit different and I dislike that change of tone in some parts of the game.
Third criticism that I have is really a quality of life nitpick, I really dislike how you can not fast forward or skip some animations in battles in reload, sure the animations are beautiful and I loved seeing them but when you spend hours in Tartarus fighting enemies over and over again (getting into a fight, targeting weaknesses and then getting out as quick as possible) those animations take a considerable amount of time and you spend most of your time just watching the same animations over and over (especially the all out attack animation and the following char screen thing).
Other than that the game is really nice and worth a buy, it's fun and very faithful to the original I kinda wish that some old music wasn't changed but overall most of the music as well as the new ones are amazing and I can't really nitpick this one because of the change of female singer and I understand how difficult it would be. and honestly, as much as all of these criticisms are valid, I think people need to manage their expectations since the it's impossible to remake everything so accurately and on modern systems in a way that makes the games more accessible to modern audience (However the past content stuff is not excused here, I still think they should've added FEMC and the Answer with the game)
Anyways do I think these criticisms ruined the game? Nah, the game is fun and faithful as stated earlier, although I feel like the original atmosphere could've improved this remake and the content as well.
Edit: I just noticed that my criticisms were addressed in the video so rip. I decided to stop and comment halfway and only after finishing did I notice that my criticisms were addressed, as for the visual thing, yes persona 3 reload looks so amazing but I still think they could've created the gloomy atmosphere as well, It probably is very possible to do both.
I think the criticism for the change in difficulty and balance is warranted. I also think the criticism for the change of tone are right. P3R has changed It's only a small change but it is noticeable. It's less dark and depressing. P3R is brighter in attitude and colour.
I don't mind party control, but I admit now the P3R has become way too easy with all the new battle mechanics. There is something wrong when the challenge is mostly behind the Monad doors when your difficulty is hard. I also think the game UI is a bit over designed. Not much but there is a bit too much clutter on screen. I have no opinion on FemC but it would have been nice. The new OST is fine but I do miss the old tracks. (RIP changing seasons...) The voice actors are OK. Whenever I hear recasted media, I have to ponder if my distaste comes from attachment, are they really miscasted or is the new script and direction bad. This time it's pure attachment.
I've played FES so my perspective comes from there.
To be as good as the original, it needs to be the original. Remakes are always different.
I can speak from my perspective as a player who had never played any game in the Persona series or any JRPGs at all. Persona 3 Reload was my first-ever Persona game and JRPG. I beat it a couple of days ago, and I can tell you from the standpoint of a newbie and non-Persona fan-this game was awesome and it was my best video game experience this year. The story, the characters, the emotional rollercoaster, the music, and the visual design-I loved everything. Even the repetitive Tartarus segment was fun for me to play again and again because I found it a relaxing and enjoyable process.
My point is that this game is perfect for players like me who have never had experience with JRPGs or Persona games. It's a great introduction to the series. While I wouldn’t say that I’ve suddenly become a Persona fan and might not play any previous Persona games (though I might try Persona 5 someday if I find another 70 hours), I would definitely recommend this game to anyone who usually stays away from these types of games. I encourage fans not to underestimate it because Persona 3 Reload is excellent at introducing newbies to the series. This game is amazing.
Thank you for giving your input! I actually do think Persona, and especially Persona 3 Reload are great entry level games to the genre and series, so I’m glad you enjoyed it! They are massive time sinks though so I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t get around to more any time soon haha
Persona 5 Royal was my introduction to the Persona Series and got me back into playing JRPGs and ARPGS. It’s super beginner friendly even on its hardest difficulties so I’d say to give that a shot too if you really liked P3R since both games feel similar.
And then I’d say you should definitely try Persona 4 Golden because…well you’re just doing yourself a disservice if you don’t play that masterpiece. While a little dated compared to P5R and P3R, it absolutely holds up with wonderful writing and characters, a genuinely interesting murder mystery plot, and a vibe that I think hasn’t been matched by any game since it’s release.
"Another 70 hours" oh honey. Dear. P5 is 100+ hours...
I think you should play etrian odissey is same how you play p3 on dungeon
@@IceQueen975 can make that like 70 to 80 hours if you read fast, and below 70 if you skip the story
I love FES to death and have a lot of nostalgia for it, but Reload imo just blows nearly every aspect of it out of the water. Since the game is a remake this discussion was always going to happen even if Reload did everything critics wanted, they would just find new things to criticize. This happens with every remake in media no matter how good the new property might be.
That said, although I do find the atmosphere criticisms to be… kinda mute… the one major critic I personally have with reload is the cutscenes. Some of the choices to make CG and anime were kinda weird, like why did they choose to keep the shower scene anime but make 10/4 CG? 10/4 still hit pretty hard but it’s just a weird direction choice that I don’t fully understand. I do think the show don’t tell sound design of FES’s opening scene was also wayyyyy better than Reloads. The Kyoto trip anime scene although small also was done better in FES, again, show don’t tell. Those are really the only gripes I have though and everything else I did find substantially better (especially the ending like I think I actually cried way harder in the Reload ending than the FES ending) but this is to be expecting with a remake. You’re not gonna like all the choices made even if the remake is substantially better.
You bring some valid opinions and takes. Thank you for sharing this comment!
Adding to the show don't tell that really broke things for me, the animated scene when MC is back from the final fight. I feel they butchered the moment.
I agree with the yukari take, i feel like FES did "Show, don't tell" very well with that scene and it felt like in reload, its like being talked down to and takes some of the depth from the scene. Love the game though its one of my favorites from the last 10 years, as a FES enjoyer
As someone who only played reload and no other version of P3. I did very much enjoy it. And some of the changes talked about here did help me understand the story, but i felt that in the attempt to "persona 5 ify Persona 3" some things were forgotten about. Like dating multiple social links is mentioned once and never again. Said romances have little after content once the S link is finished. And you don't really get to interact with the male S.E.E.S members until way later in the game. Game still managed to tug my heart strings at the end but it took a really long time to get me invested in the first place. Actual gameplay wise i don't really have anything to say. Played on merciless. Only challenge i couldn't beat was Elizabeth but that was more like i didn't really want to. I know its a puzzle but i just wanted to finish the story at that point. Once you reach level 70 the game plays itself.
for me, I feel like my opinions on reload have changed since launch. I loved it with all my heart, but now I feel a lot more mixed about it. I may be nostalgia blind for the original, I'm not sure. I feel like the identity of p3, while not lost, was somewhat hurt in the remake. little things like the camera pov change, theurgy attacks, scenery lighting and cut scenes all add up to make a game that I know is still persona 3, but it just doesn't quite feel like it. it's difficult to explain, and I don't want to come off as an elitist or anything. I appreciate reload a lot and I'm glad it's here as a modern way to play persona 3. I wish I could love it as much as others do, and as I did at launch, but these little changes do get to me sometimes.
sorry if that comment was too long. I could go on for hours if I really wanted to go in-depth. I'm just super passionate for persona 3, since it's my favorite game of all time lol. thanks for reading if u did, and I hope it made some sense :)
Your comment wasn’t too long and I read it all. Thanks for sharing your input it was insightful!
recently i started playing FES on emulator, and having now seen the reload version of the yukari scene, it is actually just straight up funny in comparison to the original. the dialogue is so goofy and feels generic and its honestly just nothing in comparison to how dark and tense the original felt to me. im open to the idea of the positives of reload, i think the UI's and stuff look great, but for this cutscene i am heavily in favour of the original
also based video, i thought it was gonna be one of those stupid negative steam review videos where they act like anyone with a differing opinion is stupid, but you took a very good approach to this, my seal of approval
I think OG p3/FES players need to stop crying lmfao. Mad cause of some art style/work lmfao the game is 10x more playable and overall just better. Criticizing the voice acting for me is crazy cause some of the voice acting in the og is so ass especially fuukas. Also to your point, I had never played any form of P3 until reload and when I first saw yukari put the gun to her head I was literally like “ayo, wtf?!” So yeah the feeling ur supposed to get is still there
Agree
In all honesty, I don't think Reload isn't bad at all, but still I prefer FES at his point. What I don't like in Reload is the fact that they almost took away the protag's (Makoto) agency without any player input. They were also cutscenes that were totally off like someone mentioned. Like for example, they took away the hand holding between Makoto and Aigis when she was hurt against Death (Ryoji) and that was another thing I didn't like about Reload. My first P3 I've played WAS P3FES which I'm happy about. I'll be perfectly honest, FeMC is another reason why the fandom of Persona is really bad sometimes, and we all know that she isn't really canon but in an alternate universe. Though I care about Makoto more than Kotone. And another thing, who even thought it would be a good idea to have the expansion pass in $35???? About the ending of Persona 3 Reload, it was obviously a improved, yet even more emotional ending that I literally cried for 3 - 4 hours straight. Except on the other hand, I did not like the after Nyx fight/Tartarus disappearing animation. I was expecting to see Makoto smiling as Aigis' tears started falling down finally. But nope, they went with Portable's dog water adaptation and Makoto walking out of school. Though, I love the fact that Aigis was the first to run to him. Also, I still prefer Makoto's awakening in the original more, but I wish they animated the scene instead of rendering.
While I personally like Yuri Lowenthal's Makoto Yuki voice better, but Aleks Le's Makoto voice did perfectly also, and does fit him too. I do like the other voice actors who did the characters. To me, they've done it perfectly, so idk what exactly are they talking about.
Most of the cutscenes in Reload are like the original and the movie, which I love. Except, some cutscenes like I said are off. The music isn't bad but still prefer the original on half of it.
Overall, I think Reload is amazing, but missed the mark on what makes Persona 3 so special. A lot of ups and downs but still it's like the original and the movie, but needs more improvement of Reload itself.
imagine liking fez over reload
@@gamerbeast3616I like fes over reload because the original always was special to me reload is great but its mixed
@@gamerbeast3616i do
I mean as far as the yukari trigger scene goes. My reaction as a kid was "ayyoooooo?" It got my attention which is good. But i gotta admit man hearing burn my dread kinda ruins it for me. Now in remake, bc i already know the characters, i like the changes a lot.
The neagtive reactions about the Expansion Pass are justified, but I wish people kept that same energy for all the Day 1 DLC nonsense Atlus/Sega does!
There's always a ton of $2 - $5 microtransactions at launch, despite the games being $60 or $70 (not including $100 Deluxe Editions), usually featuring stuff that used to be freely unlockable IN GAME.
This includes their enhanced re-releases like P4G, P5R and now SMT V Vengeance... Games that SHOULD be the definitive versions with all content included at laumch, but instead have day 1 DLC & expansions passes built in anyway.
Hell, Sega even paywalled New Game+ in Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth! And recent rumors around Persona 6 said the game was 95% finished, but that Atlus is now working on the day 1 DLC for the game... 🙄
Love the games, hate the monetization practices.
100% agreed honestly. Not too sure why people skim over the day 1 DLC stuff cause literally no one likes it, and I'm surprised that none of the reviews mentioned it.
1:29 this music transition is so clean i cant lie
While I was editing I saw the opportunity and I took it 🔥
I do commend you for trying to look at negative reviews as it can give new criticism as there’s a difference between those given by the ones that dislike something in contrast to casual enjoyers and the hard core fans (tho not zealots fan boys, they are delusional)
I tried myself watching negative reviews of my favorite game horizon forbidden west and man is it difficult hearing someone bashing on something you love
I don’t mind looking at negative reviews cause you either see some valid takes that open your perspective, or you see the most hilariously outrageous takes ever
On one hand the old Yukari scene has some random transitions that make zero sense but on the other hand the tension and importance of the situation is much higher.
I couldnt care less about FeMC but I guess that for the sake of completeness of the remake it would be nice if she was there.
Most of the things mentioned in last review are actually valid, it all depends on the level of understanding of scriptwriting, scene direction, music and color theory. If you're not serious enough about the game as he is, you may not see as clear as he's able to analyze. And it's okay to have a surface-level understanding, a not be a persona nerd. The opening scene for me was a giant red flag, an insult if you will, to ruin it in such a way, means the director has no comprehension of what made the original cinematographic composition work and the implications for the rest of the game ...oh man.
In general, the pattern is obvious, when old teams at Atlus were crafting their masterpieces they weren't selling very well, cult classics, yes, but oh no, the system requirements for a user's brain were higher, so the business strategy came as an obvious choice, let's make our games more approachable to reach a bigger audience, how exactly? Well, no other way, than to dumb things down, reduce difficulty, more and more spelling it out instead of provoking thoughts, making things less strategic and more comfy. Social link system should've been dropped after P4, it severly limits variety of what can be potentially done story-wise, since almost all of them must be available for a whole duration of the game so they must be written pretty neutral in relation to seasons, different world/social events, their locations can't be significantly changed of destroyed, so the shadow/demon activity must be kept in a confined virtual meta-world for most of the game's duration. It's insane how bloated P5 came out, especially Royal. It's way easier to replay the game when it's 30 to 60 hrs, but when 120+? You have to religiously play it and lose on sleep (Morgana will not forgive), to finish it in 2 month, while having a job. And it's the easiest game in persona series, even on merciless. And it just happens to be the best selling, also in terms of metacritic score - extremely high. We're seeing Atlus still milking it to no end. From a business perspective they are making correct decisions, as for creative vision, not so much, after all, new waifus, funneh memez and shiny menus is all we want, right?
what is blud wafflin about
@@Paperstacks_ how y'all ruined persona by being cringey consumers
@Hero-dx3il bro who are u 💀
@@Paperstacks_ someone who should’ve gatekept harder when I had the chance.
@Hero-dx3il i dont know why u felt the need to say this to me of all comments but, quit bitchin for no reason man. Keep the crying out of my friends' youtube comments and make ur own video or something u fuckin gatekeeping entitled baby.
Tbh on the Atmosphere point I do prefer FES because, yes the thought is "is this girl trying to kill herself" and I think that works for the theming.
Since its the start of the game its trying to ask a question, in the hustle and bustle of a city no matter how small, will a random person's death even be felt? The dogs will continue to bark, the trains will move on, even while she's contemplating it.
It shows this point by having it cut to her and chair walking down the city rapidly to compare the two scenes, both with chaos, one with chaos in the mind, one with chaos in the streets
But, Persona 3 answers that question near the end. "Yes, her death would of been felt, her death would of been a tragedy to countless people and could of lead to the end of the world [metaphorically]"
P3R doesn't ask that question as well, it doesn't show the counterpoint of "no, it isn't felt, in the grand scheme everyone's a cog in a machine, every dog's bark could be replaced with another, if you miss a train another will come"
as someone who's only played like the first maybe 10 hours or so of p3r and played through all of p5r, it's just. really, really, really difficult for me to care about the story or the characters or anything that's happening in the game. the pace is incredibly slow, tartarus is a slog to crawl through, it feels like there's nothing to actually do until the story decides to do its thing again. the social links are also mostly terrible and i only care about one of them (odagiri). people have told me "it gets good in october!" but to me it's just like, why do i have to play a game for THAT LONG to actually have something draw me in? idk. maybe it's something i'll have to come back to in a year or something. i felt similarly about p5 at first, as i tried to play the vanilla version way back in 2017 and only got to just meeting akechi for the first time before i decided to drop it, and now here i am, completely obsessed with it after playing royal last year. sooo... it could be just a skill issue on my part LOL. on a side note i also have unmedicated adhd which could also be adding to my problem with it, but yeah.
If you want, I feel like the video "Can you beat P3R without the power of friendship?" Does a pretty good job as summarizing the game. Now I dont think it covers everything, but I think it does a decent job at making me care about this game that I originally didnt care much about
@@DoctorTheo thank you, i'll check it out!
I mean, that's just a problem for persona as a whole, not really exclusive to p3r
I agree, I played halfway through P3 Portable and I felt the same way as you, I love P5R and P4G, but P3 even though it's fun to play, I couldn't care about the story and the characters, almost 30 hours in and nothing happened... I'm going to play Reload soon and I'm hoping it does a better job than Portable.
Me buying the Aigis edition and doesn’t come with the Aigis dlc 😍
I’m right there with you my friend. We got finessed
Let’s settle the debate: which game has Zeno Robinson?…..exactly
People must really hate themselves because Atlus did a bang up job with P3R and is the best way to experience the game If you haven't already. I don't understand when people say portable is the definite way to play the game because lets face it, it was made in a time when they had to cut back elements of the game to make it work on a portable device, so it's ironic that people rather play a cut down version of P3.
I thought it was a pretty good remake of Persona 3 . I really enjoyed hanging out with you male party members and their struggles. I do love the hi res cutscenes is curve . And I have someone who has an Ultrawide monitor and if this did support it . But I think my biggest problem was the game it did feel too easy compared to other Persona games. Mostly with theurgy is abit overpower. Usually play Persona or SMT as normal since there are times where it can still kick your ass . My other issue was fighting NYX they changed the background color grey to greenish sky .I felt it took away from serious moments fighting NYX . And when they do remake Persona 4 im hoping they will do this . Make Marie the main girl. And Kanji kiss Naoto
I think it's much more fair to compare the P5 dungeons to the Full Moon "Dungeons" which are severely lacking in P3 in comparison.
I was still so incredibly happy with the remake and I can't wait for them to do the same with P4.
Honestly reload doesn't look like a bad game, for me it's just that i played in fes and portable and i can notice stuff that reload did worse, the biggest gripe i have is the lightning, everything is too bright and shiny, as if they tried to replicate p5, the dark hour is too green, even the dorm looks unpleasantly bright, it even changes the colour to darker in the winter lol, another thing is sprites and character models, idk why but i jusy find them too flat and emotionless, also im not a big fan of cgi cutscenes over animated ones, in og those looked fantastic, Tartarus became much easier since you can avoid enemies without any difficulties, shadows even despawn after some time, the combat also became easier thx to new spending time with the gang feature where Akihiko becomes a literal god lol
overall i think id enjoy this game much more if i installed some mods that'd fix the stuff i didn't like (if those even exist)
You can change the lighting settings in the menu my guy.
Flat and emotionless character portraits and models? They look better in P3FES and Portable? That’s a lie.
@@Gokuvsnaruto22 i guess it's subjective but i prefer old sprites over new ones, they managed to capture personality of the characters really well and the artstyle was amazing too, they didn't feel like those blank and common anime faces but more western like, i wish there was a mod that'd replace all the new sprites with upscaled older ones like in p3pr
@@Nikkikoo99 i know this is a hot take, and maybe controversial. But without hating the old game, i'm not a fan of the old sprite. While it's really iconic and really good at capturing character personality
You can call me one of the mainstream people and say that my taste is suck, but.... idk, not my cup of tea ig
I started out playing the series with Reload, and let me just say I think this may genuinely one of the best games I’ve ever played. I agree that the missing content from Portable and FES is definitely a valid criticism, and I’m sure would be disappointing if I had played those before Reload, but regardless I still loved the game and enjoyed all of my time with it
For the music thing. Listen to changing season reload version and listen to original
Tells me which one you can groove to more
As a hot take, I think that last review has a lot valid and interesting arguments, and I wished you showed their argument about the final scene in the game with its full context to see where they're coming from.
Of course there's a lot that I disagree with, like the UI, voice acting (except Koromaru, that definetly deserves criticism) and 2d artwork specially, I thought those were weak arguments, and they didn't expand too much on some of the story points in the review, but in terms of sound design, gameplay balance, aesthetic and storytelling elements I strongly agree with them.
I of course don't hate the game as much as them, I think is a pretty good way to experience P3 and I'm glad new people are going to meet these characters, but seeing this review painted as unreasonable and "rage bait" rubs me the wrong way
I didn't think it was rage bait at all and I pointed out that I was being the unreasonable one in the video. It was mainly for comedic effect. Like I mentioned earlier in the video all I really ask for out of a review is that people give their reasons for thinking the way they do, and they did, so yeah it wasn't a bad review at all.
@@YandereGogeta I was talking about the comments in the video when I mencioned the rage bait, I shoud've clarified lol. But yeah, I wanted to argue in favor of that review, because despite not being your intention, the video does kind of paint it in a negative way, and I've only seen comments discarding it without looking at it when I think there's some interesting points that could be disscused
I’ll prolly make another video at some point addressing some of the critiques at large (not just with that review but with EVERYTHING) cause this video was a lot more laid back than stuff I usually do. I’d like to make a long, LONG video going over every aspect possible. Would be really fun for sure
I will admit though I maybe should have made it a bit more clear in this video that the review wasn’t inherently bad. I’ll keep it in mind going forward so thank you for your feedback
My first persona game was reload I absouletley fell in love with the game. 2 years ago i tried play P5R but couldn't get into it. But now with reload its made me want to play the whole series. Ive already beaten 3 and just finsihed 4. And now im playing persona 1. So as I new persona fan I would think reload was absouletly amazing.
That’s great to hear! I hope you continue to enjoy the series going forward, and here’s to Persona 6 coming hopefully soon!
i just finish the game today and was using the velvet outfit for my last month and I think the outfit it pretty neat
Maybe I’ll give it a shot myself
The last review, he brought up very valid points and I have to agree with some of the takes. However I seriously just don’t see being as bad as he’s making it out to be. “Destroyed” is a bit of a reach.
Agreed
Not gonna lie Tartarus in P3R is the most chilled and enjoyable time I had grinding in a game in a while and not having to worry about extreme whiffing and fatigue is also helping a lot (I'm still at Floor 118 getting distracted by other games is why I'm so behind)
So regarding Femc, its a lot easier to make an entire separate campaign in a visual novel. Femc was unrealistic so for me taking points off for something that wasn't a realistic expectation to begin with isn't fair. Its like being disappointed the mall santa didn't have actual reindeers, of course they didn't you shouldn't have expected that to begin with.
I’d gladly talk with you about my review at 13:52 at any time. I stand by what I said and would’ve appreciated the courtesy of responding to all of what I said critically - I liked hearing your thoughts about the ending comparison in the movie (even if I disagreed mostly). Videos are an inherently unfair platform for discussion when one person can reply in a video and the other can’t, but if you care to we can establish contact. Wishing you well
Forgot to respond to this earlier but yeah I'd be down to talk about it cause truth be told (as I mentioned when you joined my server) I really do regret the way I approached that review in this video. If I could do this video over again I would've done it a lot differently because it was very rude to go about it the way I did. Even though the goal was to make the section funny and humorous it totally messed up the narrative I was trying to go for, which is that every version of P3 has it's ups and downs, but they're all good in their own right. Hence mentioning the cut content from Portable and the edge in atmosphere FES has in some regards. I'll definitely take the L on that one and I do apologize for putting you into a negative light
@@YandereGogeta Don't even sweat brother its all good :)
As someone who never played Portable or PES, I didn't know what to expect going into my first playthrough of Reload. I have played Persona 5 Royal and Strikers as well as dabbling in Persona 4 Golden (which isn't my favorite Persona game personally, but I digress). While I do agree that there are certain aspects that could have been improved upon seeing comparisons between the original Persona 3 and Reload, I certainly can't say it's all bad.
I'll start with the music, since it's the most subjective and I have the least to say about it. As far as the music goes, there are definitely songs I like and songs I don't, and please forgive me because I haven't been able to go through the entire soundtrack and learn all the names of the songs yet. On the one hand, songs like Changing Seasons are really amazing ambient music in my opinion, but the song that plays when SEES has the advantage in battle (I'm not sure of the title) isn't the best in my opinion. It doesn't feel as though I've got the advantage when I sneak up on a Shadow and ambush them when that song plays. To use Persona 5 Royal specifically, Last Surprise was a good battle theme for sure, but when you sneak up on a Shadow and ambush them to be greeted by the Takeover track, it's amazing. Takeover goes hard, which I feel is necessary for a battle theme unless there's a particular theme behind the battle (such as a more somber battle between two people who don't wish to fight).
I'm certainly not trying to compare Personas 3 and 5 in any way, though, because as someone who's played through at least half the game at this point, they're two completely different experiences. I do think that the similar UI makes for a much better experience because of, for lack of a better word, the quality-of-life changes. Other than that, I don't really see much similarity between them other than the protagonist being a silent one, though that's true for a lot of JRPG characters across the board, which isn't a criticism coming from me.
My favorite part of Persona 3 Reload, however, like with Persona 5), is the story that is woven through the characters and events of the plot. Never do I see a conversation between the main cast or watch a cutscene or spend time with a Social Link and think "God, this is so boring." Actually, quite the opposite! For example, the October 4th cutscene with Akihiko has been the most impactful scene in the game for me so far because I've definitely felt what he was feeling in that scene in my own life.
While I did choose to go down the Yukari romance route as far as that goes since I feel it's the "safest" option for the first playthrough (I mean, her Social Link IS the Lovers Arcana), I have really gotten close to a lot of the characters personally, as most of them have been through something I've experienced in my own life. I feel like all of the characters are written expertly and are really well-rounded in terms of personality in my opinion. My two favorite characters are going to be Akihiko and Yukari personally, but I could definitely see arguments for all of the characters (including the wonderful Fuuka).
I really like the theme of overcoming the fear of death, as it represents a very real fear that I have myself. The dungeon of Tartarus (while the name is wonderfully on the nose) is a dungeon that does things right and does things... not so right. I personally think that the form of a tower rather than taking the literal mythology location of the "depths of the underworld" makes Tartarus a very worthwhile location to have as the central plot point. That said, I feel like the lack of distinct floor divides (I'm on floor 100 and have seen a total of three different environment styles) is pretty underwhelming, but I'm not saying that takes from the dungeon itself seeing that the external design of Tartarus is impeccable.
Overall, I think Persona 3 is a wonderful game. Persona 5 is my favorite personally, but Persona 3 is my close second for sure. It's a wonderfully crafted experience. It's not perfect, but I'd like for someone to name a perfect story (I'll wait). Definitely an 8.5/10 for me!
honestly
while i don't think its the best way to play Persona 3 that is still FES for me
i also think that its the best most accessible way to experience the original game for new players
i would legit advise most new players to first play reload and then emulate FES or buy P3P on modern hardware if they want FEMC
reload is an amazing version to start with but i just think that people should experience the originals aswell
I agree actually I think it’s worth playing the other versions just to see if they’re more up your alley or not
@@thekillersandvich1150 I played portable and reload. Tbh, I dont feel like ever touching FES, if I even get it, that is. Which probably won't happen
As someone who has only played P5R and about half of P4G at the time of playing P3RE, I loved P3RE and felt it was exactly what I was looking for in a remake of an old persona game. I have since finished P3RE and P4G and now on my NG+ of P3RE in anticipation for P3EP:A. I CRAVE a remake in this style for P4G. As for the content of FES and Portable not being in the game, that unfortunately was Sega's fault as they gave a budget and release date for the game. The devs didn't wanna make Episode Aigis as DLC but they had no choice as the budget wasn't large enough and the time wasn't enough. We're lucky Sega budged and allowed them to make the answer. Realizing that the devs wanted to make this the definitive P3 game calms my soul a little bit but am disappointed that Korone's route will forever be stuck on P3P unless Sega allows them to either create another DLC or a free update however I doubt they will and at best require another full on budget to get past them, which I am sure Sega wants to use for other projects. The mod for the PC version of P3RE is promising but I think it'll be impossible to change out the social links entirely so the route will forever be trapped on P3P which fortunately is available to purchase on all modern consoles however this still does not excuse this tragedy that Korone will never officially be remade. I still loved P3RE however and hope to see P6 perform well as well as a possible P4G remake
i prefer the rendered cutscenes as opposed to the animated ones because i hate the proportions of the animated ones - and honestly they’re choppier and just feel lower quality to me overall. i felt the same way with p5r, which is the only other persona game ive played on my own
that being said, as someone who never played any of the og p3 games, i would LOVE to play as the female protagonist and get an opportunity to do some different social links, ESP shinji, etc. tartarus was good, but i did like having palaces alongside mementos - the theme is great, but i liked the variety of the palaces and how much went on there.
P3R is a really good experience. Some guys, mostly P3FES enjoyers, are being waaay too negative about it and stressing about some small details. At leats you guys will have the answer meanwhile we P3P fans cant have FEMC.
DLC pricing is trash tho.
Persona 3 Reload was my first Persona game. I knew very little about the series except Joker and “YOU NEVER SEE IT COMIIIIIIIIIIING”. I woke up and said “Fuck it, we ball” and decided to try it.
I was breath taken, I don’t think I’ve experienced peak so much so as playing P3Re
Yeah, for the business practices of atlus the reviews are legitimate. As for the game itself, you have always these hardcore geeks that if there is one thing that is changed or not completely identical they will bash the game. P3R is a very good remake and nobody can deny that. Sometimes you have to take the negative reviews with a grain of salt because the complaints are always subjective. Espacially when most of the reviews are very positive.
This
Sounds like we need a place to review companies instead then because it doesn't feel fair to leave a review that focuses on external factors. In this case, it's annoying how they're handling things but that isn't necessarily a flaw with the game itself. At this point it feels like The Answer is less DLC and more a spin-off marketed as DLC.
I dunno if I'm just numb to it, or simply a wierdo(not that that's debatable), but I don't mind the cost of the Expansion Pass. Before we even heard about Reload, it was a common oppinion in the fandom that The Answer just plain sucks. As someone who plays The Sims, where you pay for the content you like, and not for the stuff you don't, I think it makes sense to make this optional for players who didn't care for the epilogue's story. And compared to the prices of other games that give DLC, this is honestly a steal. I WISH Simmers could get this level of content for the same price. It's also the same price of Pokemon's DLCs. Dragonball Xenoverse fans probably get about half this content for the same price. $35 is pretty common for DLC that adds whole new story and areas to explore, and if The Answer is anything to go by, it'll be more than worth it.
Game making isn't cheap. In Ep Aigis alone, we're getting an entirely new dungeon to explore; a new character; new story, including the backstories for most of the main cast; and of course, 90% of it will be voiced. So they have to pay for new models, new animations, new programing, and new voice lines. That's not cheap, and these people deserve to be paid their full wages for their work
Honestly my only gripe with the game is how expensive the highest tier of it was upon release and how Altus didn’t give the people that purchased that tier - the answer for free, the audacity to charge that much more for DLC that should have been included in the game in the first place left a bad taste in my mouth personally
I understand people being mad about the dlc being expensive, but as someone that already pays for gamepass ultimate which includes the dlc, I’m suprised it’s expensive.
Ever since I completed every mainline game, Persona 3 has always been tied with 5 for my second favorite. Its characters, main story and themes have always been amazing. But Reload is what firmly put it over 5 for me for just one reason, the combat
I know some people like P3's combat and I'm not going to discredit their feelings. They're completely different systems each doing their own things right and wrong. Me personally though? I have never dreaded actually playing a game. I'd even take Persona 1's combat over 3's. So when Reload came out and they made the combat closer to 5, I was certain this game would finally take it's spot as my second favorite and I was not disappointed
I’m new to persona series here. I got every game that’s easily available (p3:reload, p5, p4:golden, p3:portable) and so far I’ve been having more fun with persona 3 reload’s Tartarus than the palaces in persona 5. I need to get on 4 tho.
I think the most valid criticism ive seen is the art in reload not being as good in portable and fes, Ill be real i havent played portable or fes but I absolutely love the more retro art style and visuals especialy in the anime cutscenes. But after watching people play portable I definietly believe that reload is the better way to experience the game.
The discussion of art is just about the most subjective thing ever so that's a fair take. I think they're both good, and I do actually think FES has the upper hand in some regards when it comes to art. They're a bit more expressive in FES than Reload. Reload is still good doe
The game is amazing, my problems come through the climax. Its the green atmosphere doesn't have the same feel as when I frought Nyx in Portable. The music known as The Battle for Everyone's souls and Burn My Dread The Last Battle aren't as good as in Portable. Essentially Burn My Dread Last Battle, I kinda wish that it sounded a lot more emotional since we who have beaten the game knows what happens. I'm also in full agreement that I wish they added Femc from the beginning and didn't do their gready business strategies, the Answer at most should be 15-20 dollars.
I still love the game, but it doesn't mean I don't have any problems with it.
The fact that the kendo club and swimming club got cut in this version and I don't even remember which second club available in the original and fes version
Oh well
I am not allowed to think at all for myself anyways
It doesn't really add anything tho, the social links are the same, the only difference it made was that the verbs are different
I can definitely understand the comparisions between Reload and Royal given the parallels between both games
I never got to play the original P3 or FES. I played a little of P3P but I was not a fan of how it was implemented outside of Tartarus. So when I saw that a remake was dropping, I decided to stop playing Portable. I had only made it to the second full moon boss so I felt comfortable stopping and waiting……..and honestly, I think I made the right call. I got to experience Persona 3 with fresh eyes and I loved it. Now, I don’t know how faithful it is to the original, what was changed, what was cut or whatever……so I can’t speak to that but for that last review to say the game was basically trash is completely asinine.
Im in touch with what i like and dont so i dont even need to look at reviews anymore. There are times i will be wrong but it rarely happens.
As for reload, loved it. The fully added voice acting made a lot of social links a lot better than before since you could hear the emotion that was being portrayed. Helped soften charactets whose dialogue alone came out as way too douchy in the original.
Loved the added songs, cant realy say more than that about it.
The new opening is easily in my top 5 persona openings. Def did the og opening justice.
Love the menues, if something was to be carried over from p5 it was def this. Not to mention that the theme of the main character drowning is just on point.
Never bothered with the dlc, it was bad buisness practice and i dont support it.
I did prefer the cutscenes in the og, they had more atmosphere to them. You felt what they felt. On the other hand atlus showing of what they now can do with in game animation stunned me. They have improved a lot on that field.
All in all, loved it.
Tbf the whole yukari scene is more of a problem with p3p not reload bc portable had the scene of her talking and i agree. The fes version is better and ive never seen it as i have no way of playing fes
my biggest problem with P3 Reload was around 4 months left in the game I did everything already, everyday I just ran right to bed to make the day go by quicker. But I think the game is still wonderful I would give it a 9/10
I personally absolutely love the music DLC. It's what I look forward to the most in Atlus DLC's
After my first time playing through P3 by playing Reload on PC I gotta say I do love the game however I feel like it's definitely lacking in the extra content department with the expansion pass not really providing much other than Episode Aigis however I do truly appreciate the modding community for making the game more fun like making cool costumes for the team and such
Modders be carrying modern gaming for me to be honest haha. The FEMC Reloaded project is super impressive
Persona 3 being my favorite game in the series I really like P3R. The combat is still fun, the atmosphere of Tatsumi port island is still amazing and the ost is still amazing. P3R or FF VII Rebirth are my goty for this year
For me i liked the Reload take on some things but i do have some critics about the whole tone of the game felt more "happy" knowing the theme is death and getting over it. Also the game became REALLY easy after you get the whole shift, Arcane burst and theurgy mechanics even on hard or merciless its like a walk in the park.
Grinding gets even easier with the rare blessing and floor spam to get the gold shadows with extra EXP. Some of the voice actors do a pretty good job (Junpei for me was the best and i still wonder why they took the road of giving Akihiko a deep hunky voice) Yet Yukari leave me waiting for the original V.A...
The whole DLC issue is simply the worst and missing FemC still hurts, Yet the game is great, the music is a blast (except for the mass destruction remake) Character desing, art direction and menus are even cooler than the P5 ones but we need to be honest the game has its issues.
I’m someone who really loved reload but also was a fan of the original and while i would say i enjoy “playing” p3r a lot more, i would not be happy with lots of people only experiencing the persona 3 through p3r. I definitely agree with the cutscene criticisms and personally feel the 2d ones look a lot more interesting and much better fit p3s atmosphere. I didn’t like the opening cutscene for p3r because I think being able to interact with the street takes away both from pacing and mr door’s personality. He just seems so much less unbothered and apathetic at the beginning as a result. In general i thought it was very strange the way they allocated resources. Why are the SEES outfits given a cutscene instead of many of the key story cutscenes (it’s for trailers)? Frankly for a game at this price point, a lot more things should have 2d cutscenes and, when they are there, they’re beautiful.
For me p3r has a lot of really strong points: beautiful UI, more to do with SEES, makes Tartarus way less tedious (as someone who generally finds persona gameplay gets old fast but if you love it i’m sure you might disagree), theurgies and personality skill things add lots of personality, excellent japanese voice acting.
I think the music was good. P3r has better music for the background I would say, but i like listening to the originals more when it’s not as bgm.
With voice acting, I think it’d be better if people experienced this game with japanese voices as these are excellent across the board and quite literally true to the original. These jp vas are truly some of the biggest and best of the last 30 years. Both og p3 and p3r on the other hand have mixed quality English dubs. I actually do like a lot of the vas and performances in both but i think there was some bad direction/casting going on and it’s reflected in how it does not match the original characters portrayed by the japanese voicing. At the end of the day if people like it, they can like it but I don’t and would urge people to go for the original japanese voices for this game.
I also am someone who thinks femc should stay as a portable thing or an add-on since it changes p3’s tone and characters enough that it isn’t a simple gender switch so i’m not upset they didn’t add her. Ofc the dlc management for p3r is bad and i won’t be buying it (will probably watch it tho).
Overall I had a really good time and would recommend p3r to new players over the old versions. QoL and aesthetics are very strong for p3r but please consider also looking at the old cutscenes as p3 really doesn’t feel complete without them. The new content definitely is enough to justify playing it again for returning players. It’s a very fun and thought-provoking game as expected
Glad to see the missing content being discussed. Singularly it was the lack of femc that kept me from finishing this game May not be a big deal to others, but I’ve been there since p3p. So seeing a lot of that stuff cut really dampened my experience especially bc it never seemed to be a priority for them even though this is the 4th version of the game (original, fes, p3p, Reload).
I will continue mentioning the missing content no matter how much the femc haters wanna harp on me doing it lol
@@YandereGogeta When you realize it: Reload is basically a Remake version of FES with few additions carried over from Portable that applies to both MC and FEMC’s route such as missing person side quest for example. Kotone specifically is an understandable notion that should be always pointed out the most in your future videos regarding Reload’s absent content, considering Sega’a business shenanigans didn’t allow ATLUS enough time.
But I did seen some petty haters out there including extremist femc fans spread misinfo about Reload scrapping more than adding content.
Of course, Those who do research will know such rhetoric is not even remotely true lol, FES actually had Multi-weapons and March interactions with finished, All of Which P3P actually scrapped alongside Answer because storage issues, Nonetheless It’s a flimsy attempt to ruin other’s enjoyment of the game and I wish there wasn’t bad blood over versions within the minority section of the p3 community.
@@YandereGogeta Edit: Regarding March interactions, I actually meant to say lack of world exploration at time of writing the comment, But of course that is the most obvious glaring absence in Portable.
Since this video is all about criticism ig i can give my take on it. Relating to the tartarus point, yes i did play 5 before 3 but the random generation wasn't why i didn't care for tartarus. The real problem was...actually exploring tartarus is incredibly clunky? Between the awkard geometry you need to traverse and the weird ass arc your sword takes, it was something i never cared to explore for, and felt very mind numbing. Still better than 4's never ending hallways they call dungeons tho.
In terms of the atmosphere argument, while yes it is 3's theme as a story, is also kind of boring for the only dungeon in the game? Most of the locales look like varying motifs of a school zone, and on top of that desolation as a concept means there's only nothingness left in tartarus. From a story perspective it works, but from a gameplay perspective that only adds to the mind numbing gameplay that is exploring tartarus and looping the shadows. Emptiness leads to lack of stimulation in terms of level design after all.
Add all this together and i honestly struggle to remember much abour what goes on in tartarus aside from the block visual motifs. Like actually i can't even remember any of the gate keepers now
10:25 FES better because it has afro dog.
I still haven't played Reload (I watched some stramers I like playing a great bunch of it though) but from I could see the visuals are so much better in almost every single aspect - they surely have some Persona 5 influence but they still have their own identity, which really honor the classic Persona 3 visual identify, it's basically the same essence but improved by 100x.
The only thing I agree is that the original cutscenes using animated scenes instead of in-game graphics are so much better in general and they truly have a better atmosphere and better direction. When it comes to the rest I just can't see what they are complaining about.
And another thing to add is that I fucking hate Tartarus for being so repetitive, having so many random encounters and making you grind so much in the original and the FES version, while it's seems to me that they did the best they could to make tartarus easier to tolerate in the Reload, but I still have to play it for myself and to see if that's really the case.
P3R is a good companion piece to P3FES that will be treated as a replacement because it's more pallatable.
I liked it well enough, especially after link episodes started, but it falls short of the original in a few key areas, chief among them being combat. It feels better, but it's so much easier I'm almost insulted. P3fes wasn't that hard. It had multiple cycles of power-curving, where you get to a new area and are actually almost useless, grind up, get so powerful the shadows won't even fight you, push through a challenging floor boss and repeat. It was a good system. Reload feels almost like a performatice retelling of the original.
the things I think Persona 3 Reload did better:
a) it's more accessible in the current decade
b) the English dubbing
c) prettier graphics and cutscenes
d) better movement and smoother controls
e) Aigis' and Fuuka's voice actors
f) better social link experience
g) persona fusion skill choice
things I miss from FES:
a) fatigue + 100% health/sp regen after returning to the entrance
b) more gore/gloomier
c) it looked more unique - Reload looks like P5R with a P3 skin
d) the OP movie
e) the emptiness on the PS2 seemed like a design choice. with the remake is just looks unfinished, like the overworld seems like they didn't put much thought or love into it
f) certain voice actors
g) music
things I miss from P3P:
a) Theodore
b) individual team cutscenes
why it's better than P3P:
a) 3D exploration and cutscenes
b) I hate FeMC
c) more cutscenes
why P3 vanilla is better:
a) allowing Shinji and/or Chidori to be saved after dying destroys the message and theme of the game. what's the point in accepting death if anyone can just be resurrected via plot armour
final decision:
FES is still superior
Reload is a great remake and I appreciate it
I wish they cherry-picked the social links instead of just giving us Yuki's route with only the female party members getting links
P3P sucks and Atlus should have just announced Reload sooner instead of charging extra for a horrible port of a game that aged like old milk
stop resurrecting characters when the whole point of the game is accepting death
Reload's OP movie is the worst
I'm sorry, hard disagree by reload op movie is the worst, i'd say fes ( not the vanilla one ) is the worst
I still agree if it's not better than burn my dread, but worse than fes op? Nah
I actually really like the Reload opening
Walls of text? High schoolers? Feels weird to decry what is basically he entirety of the series identity. Comments like this make me think they just hate persona in general
The very only thing i was dissapointed was the social links, coming from P5 all the confidants had something that would make feel attached to the characters, p4 had all those funny moments that makes you feel in the place of the mc and think you were in fact surrounded by friends, but p3, and i can understand it was the 1st one to implement the community mechanic, felt so out of place in that area, like you said "hi dude, bye dude" it felt really lacking to say the least
Honestly, my biggest gripe with this game is that it's a persona game after persona 5, for better and worse. (Primarily worse gameplay wise) It felt too similar to persona 5 on the gameplay side, with only changes and additions to skills. I feel like if they removed shifting, brought back the AI party members (hot take, I know), but kept the option for direct control, I would've liked it way more. I know you can have the AI party members, but it feels like the AI for them has gotten progressively worse from game to game after 3. It feels borderline unplayable with them now. Besides the gameplay, everything aside from some songs in the soundtrack is an improvement, especially the voice acting. While I do miss some voices, especially Aigis, they did an amazing job on the recasting of everyone.
P3R is amazing. I can't even take negative reviews seriously. Yeah, the dlc practices are lame. Outside of that there's nothing else bad about the game. P3R is most definitely the definitive way to play P3
Now as far as some criticisms go, there is always something to criticize. Some are valid viewpoints, as they're subjective.
Love the soundtrack. The Yukari scene I like equally between reload and the original. The MC awakening I like equally in reload and the original. Tartarus is infinitely better, especially the combat.
The mood of the game is just... Off in comparison to the original the even fucked up the dorm and made it all bright then at the end of the game they just slap a filter over it
It’s hard to say what is truly the definitive version to play, but I would agree that in my eyes reload is about as definitive as it gets for Persona 3.
TDIL that i wish to continue not caring about stranger's opinion on the internet. Never cared about steam reviews and will continue to do so.
I prefer getting disapointed by a game myself because some of those reviews are just pointless since most of the aspects of the game they criticize are subjective.
The game's not perfect but it has improved a lot from the original persona and even if it's a little pricey nobody is forced to buy it.
I just bought persona three Reload. I played persona 3 a lot, so hopefully I'm not disappointed. I played the original game, so I have a lot of expectations The female protagonist was never in the original game. It was at the beginning, but it was cut not until the portable version
I have one rule when it comes to games: If the "localizers" insist on removing or altering the script because of "modern sensibilities" then I don't touch it. The way I see it, thats no better than looking at a painting and insisting it needs a splotch of black paint over it because it upsets you.
Bad analogy.
@@digimonlover1632 then do tell: What would be a good analogy for censorship?
Unless I'm missing something nothing was removed? You can always...you know...play with the Japanese voices if you want...
@@iamfat6164 they altered the scene from operation babe hunter. more specifically, the woman? scene.
@@ogre589 you mean when they chose to change it from white to good looking? Sometimes it's just to make sound better in English when it voice acted my dude
I am only halfway through Reload (other games keep distracting me) and I think it is great, unless the 2nd half of the game is a trainwreck I'm sure any review I leave will be positive.
My biggest complaint may seem minor, but it still frustrates me: The protagonist is once again stuck with just using 1 handed swords. Why? FES let you use almost any weapon type to fit your team comp and yet every other version of this game forces him to use swords. Want someone with a strike weapon on your team? Your only option now is Akihiko and it is lame. Yes there are persona skills that give you access to all attack types, but I want my protagonist to actually make use of the axes since from what I remember of the original game you won't have use of them for long.
I hate how they took out some mechanics. The fatigue system only worked because there were so little night social links. Its a great game but its really not a "faithful remake"
I'm hopeful that the answer dlc will be something I can buy separate cause after going to my first anime convention money is a bit tight
Don't bother, the only people who wanted The Answer are people who haven't played it. There's a reason they weren't including it to begin with
I hate this internet mindset of when something is not as good as the other, then it is "worse in every way" even though they ignore the potential things they did better. I swear if Portal 2 came out today, there will be people who feels like its not as tightly knit as the first, and say "Worse in every way"
I blame Crowbcat for this. At least for popularizing it
Man I just don’t get the obsession with FeMC
Other than the different social links, that does seem cool, but I’m not about to play a game this long for some minor differences
seriously same here.
I think it's moreso that this is the one chance female players get to play as their own gender in a more high-res game and it was just kinda disregarded, FEMC also does add a bit of new content for even male players too
Yeah, I mean, I like FemC but bro, they are asking for two remade games for the price of one and with the development time of one...
If they charged them double what they charged for Reload, I would understand, but people ask and ask, but if you told them hey, you're not going to pay $70 for this game, it's going to be $140, they'd lose their minds.
@@frikizone2.03 I didn’t even think about that, it would probably raise the price some wouldn’t it. Maybe not double, but people would freak out over even a 5 dollar increase
It’s just a fun route to play and would’ve been cool to see her again