Snubbull Only - Pokemon Crystal
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- Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
Rule details:
-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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So proud of snubbull! I love the second runs, they are always so satisfying. It feels like the end of the Pokémon’s character arc.
Exactly!
The crystal runs are quickly becoming my favorite, super excited to watch
Glad to know that you enjoy them so much. They are growing on me too. At first they seemed like they had less depth than gen1 & 3, but I’m starting to learn the little nuances now and it’s becoming so enjoyable!
Time another installment of "This Pokemon can learn mud-slap, but Gligar can't! "
Rip Gligar
It can learn Mud-Slap but not Dig which is odd cause its a dog, and isn't digging something dogs like to do?
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk Idk what's up with that. For some reason there are so many Pokemon in Gen 2 that can't learn dig but should. Like why can't Phanpy and Swinub learn dig?? Makes no sense
@@PokemonWoop Swinub is a baby boar and they dig for nuts and acorns, so that makes sense
I guess the reasoning is that they are a flying animal that lives on the cliffs so being close to mud is not necessarily a thing they would instinctually do?
Or is “Gligar living on the cliffs” a Shadows of Almia thing
I can see why they made granbull a fairy type. Ursaring and Granbull are very similar in terms of stats and movepools. Come to think of it girafarig and stantler are kind of like that too.
Yup.
That "news" segment at the end is actually a brilliant idea. Gets more people to watch till the end than bloopers ever did and also gives people something to be excited about. I just hope that any promises are things that are already set up rather than things you still need to do work on - better to announce hopes that don't pan out than promise exciting things that get derailed by life 😅 looking forward to seeing vs again! 😁
I am enjoying the news segment but I have to admit I really miss the bloopers
Really nice to see Snubbull getting a sub 2 hour time. The fast growth rate is definitely helpful for getting it extra levels. I can’t wait to see the evolution videos for all first stage runs. Maybe potentially an Ursaring vs Donphan race?
That race, this year.
Known errors:
1) Accuracy/Evasion calculations. When Snubbull's accuracy is lowered or the enemy's evasion is boosted I am using the generation 1 values to recalculate accuracy. For example, -1 accuracy gives a 0.66 multiplier where as in generation 2 it gives a 0.75 multiplier. Thanks to
@JoaoFerreira-pj1uc for catching this.
2) 5:11 - I said Teddiursa, meant to say Snubbull
I always wish they had like 3 trainers in Jasmine's gym. One with a forretress and 1 with scizor. And the 3rd with skarmory.
The shinies stats thing in gen 2 will forever be frustrating to me. My first instinct nowadays is it was a limitation computation wise. But even coming at it with logic still doesn't ease the pain of knowing that Gyarados will always be inferior...
It was better when I didn't know and I was a smol precocious child, seeing that red sea leviathan for the first time ;-;
Wait, the last revelation at the end of the video got me REEEAAALLY HYPED: can’t wait to see the KantoVsJohto Starter Compilation! Go go go!!!
Yeah it’s going to be so fun!
Honestly I'd really like a video just going through the artwork trainers. No gameplay, just "this is the roster of artwork trainers with an explanation why they got artwork"
Trust me my man, this will get hella views. Your artist is fire.
You know I wanna see the team they have, their strats, their art, the whole thing. That's at least a 30 minute video with no play thru required. I'm sure other fans agree.
Lemmie get a like if you wanna see this vid! Scott nation assemble!
Mud Slap 's Japanese name roughly translates to "Fuck Gligar", which is why it can't learn it.
Ahhhhh makes more sense now
Best explanation I've heard for that XD
Absolutely love the content Scott! was a math major in college and love the attention to detail you offer in your explanations of calculations and math definitions!!!
You called snubbull teddiursa when talking about lick. "For now I don't think it makes sense to teach Teddiursa this move". Haha gotcha Scott
Snubbul is impressive (considering it is a 1st stage Pokémon). I'm curious to see your next video.
Gg as always.
Yeah normal Pokémon are real good in gen2. Surely it’s going to be the best type for a solo challenge.
I guess the Blastoise went for Blizzard because the Sun reduced the power of surf. How very fortunate.
Snubbull!! I didn’t like Snubbull very much as a kid but since adopting a puppy pitbull a few years ago, I’ve completely fallen in love with Snubbull and Granbull :D
I liked the inside jock when you said “it’s “Nice” to this now” right when are at level 69 🤣
Before watching:
Really high attack for a first stage pokemon and solid defense and HP. Also, a Normal Type that can learn strong physical normal moves. And the elemental punches which can give some coverage if needed. And it learns Bite and Lick early on, so not even the Ghosts will be a problem.
My prediction is that Snubbull is actually really good! You will run into a problem with Blue and Red, because you‘ll be too underleveled, since you‘ll get there „too quickly“ but aside from that I really don‘t see many real obstacles. And even the underleveled thing might not be the biggest problem since it levels fast.
My guess is upper mid-tier which is going to be really good for a first stage pokemon.
After watching:
Completely missed how similar Snubbull is to Teddiursa.
But yeah, unsurprisingly, this is a really strong first stage pokemon. And it just has so many tools to work with. Zero resets is still surprising! Badass little dog! So, I‘m actually still surprised that it didn‘t get a higher rank.
"Who being naughty in my sight... shall snuff it." -Brother Meinhards Apprentice Monthy Python and the holy Grail
Granbull was always a must in my teams! Love this line. :)
Loving your content! You put so much time in for science, and it is so neat to watch your playthroughs! I would love to see you do a three-way comparison between Raikou, Entei, and Suicune solo runs in Crystal.
This year.
thank god this gentleman shares information about his girlfriend's likes or dislikes
I usually try and use Special Attacks against Koffing and Weezing. They have a lower Special Defence. That might help against Petril during the rocket plot line.
My predictions for the starter Vs videos:
Venusaur will crush Meganium. Meganium is bulkier, but Venusaur is still plenty bulky and is much more offensively potent. Meganium will still do okay overall, but I think Venusaur is going to be exceptional.
Charizard and Typhlosion have literally identical stats. So it comes down to how helpful the Flying typing is for Zard, and how much having Thunder Punch matters for Typhlosion. I think Thunder Punch is a big enough advantage, especially given how early you get it, that Typhlosion has the edge, but I think they'll both be solid.
I don't remember how Feraligatr's stats are distributed, but its Special Attack being lower than Blastoise's is a notable disadvantage. I think Blastoise will probably win, but Gatr has a chance. I think they'll both be quite good.
ETA: I recently watched a challenge run of HGSS that reminded me just how hostile Johto is to Grass types. They match up very poorly against all of Falkner, Bugsy, Morty, Jasmine, Pryce, Clair, Will, Koga, Karen, and Lance. Blue and Red are slightly less painful for Grass types, but not by that much. So Venusaur probably actually won't be nearly as good as I initially thought. And Meganium is probably going to struggle big time.
I just had a moment where I realized I have missed some videos for a minute and was almost hoping Scott said wife instead of fiance lol. Still love the vids dude
Loved the subtle bit starting at 33:50 , great timing as well :')
I'll know I've been watching these videos a while when Scott starts saying "my wife" instead.
I love Snubull, literally adorable. Look at it!!!!! So grumpy.
I just noticed like the tiniest of tiniest bugs in the overlay here. ThunderPunch is displayed as TM01.
Another great video Scott. Can’t wait for the VS videos
I remember when Snubull was introduced in the Pokémon 2000 Pikachu, and thinking "wow, what a jerk!" I was 9 so I couldn't freely call it a dick yet
Hey Scott. Just wanted to give you a bit of a programming lesson. Now, I know most of your experience is with Javascript so this isn't especially relevant for you. But in many programming languages, data is explicitly assigned to a particular type. In the case of Pokémon, all of the main games use integers in all of their damage calculations, and there's a concept called integer arithmetic. Which is to say, if you do a division function on integers, it *acts* as a floor function, but is not actually a floor function. It's just a consequence of performing a rational mathematical operation on something that only accepts discrete integers as inputs and outputs.
Of course, in Javascript, basically all numbers are floating point numbers, meaning they have decimals, so to force it to act like the pokémon damage calculation, you have to use a floor function. I love your content. Keep it up my man. Can't wait for the skitty playthrough!
I did already know this. All of my calculations have these math.floor functions as a part of their logic!
Blastoise vs Feraligatr? That's an interesting one I didn't expect. The starter 3 way is an is win for Gatr over Typhlosion and Meganium, but putting it against the previous water starter in a game that heavily favors water types could make things close.
It’s not a three way. Meganium vs Venusaur etc
The tag team trainers in the fighting gym should have a professional wrestling flavor
Hiker Anthony the chad hiker bullying 10 year olds
Yup
Snubbull and by extension Granbull are memorable Pokemon but IMO weren't very memorable in-game until they became Fairy-types later on. Though they do have the Intimidate ability which can be really good.
Well Granbull, Mawile and Mimikyu are the best designed Fairy types. Just saying
Man The Snubble line is like the Diet verison of the Teddirusa line
Yeah. The same, but worse
I almost think Anthony deserves an art where he's spinning in a mini tornado like Tazmanian Devil x3 still nice to see some art though!
The seemed to be angry and mad dog that’s actually timid and very shy, always a pain when it’s blatantly weaker then another, the tag team duo in chuck’s gym feel like you should have their artwork a opposite (or do the final pose in the DB fusion dance)
I'm not too shocked that Snubbull ended up doing pretty well, it's decently strong for a 1st stage pokemon and there isn't very much difference between 30 and 40 base speed as you're slow either way.
In terms of the starter comparisions, I think they'll go this way.
Meganium vs Venusaur, Meganium gets Razor Leaf way earlier and learns body slam and earthquake. Venusaur does get growth at level 41 though and does learn leech seed early on and even the smallest bit of chip damage per turn is huge. Meganium does have the better moveset though
Charizard vs Typhlosion, Typhlosion doesn't even learn flamethrower until level 60. Meanwhile Charizard gets it at level 34 or something. They do have the same stat spreads and similar TM learnsets so I guess it comes down to Typhlosion learning rollout & thunderpunch via tm whereas Charizard learns dragonbreath by tm and wing attack by level up.
Feraligatr vs Blastoise, I'm sorry but Feraligatr's learnset is so bad. At best it has a stronger earthquake and it learns slash at level 38 but it learns nothing good to take advantage of its physical attack.
Spoiler Warning:
After just how much you improved Snubbull's results in all metrics I think it did earn that top of the D tier placement.
oh my wow Scott, that 2nd run, fair enough you needed level 90, but very well played sir. Squidgy would be proud of you for it, been watching a lot of his runs and you 2 would make some great VS if you tried. your runs have got me thinking though, you lean towards a very similar moveset by the time you reach Red for a lot of your runs, I know you aim for consistency with every Pokemon you run, but you seem to be proving the consistency of Return+Curse+Rest opposed to the Pokemon itself. I am not critiquing, please don't think it, but how easily could you win each of these runs without those moves?
Weak mons tend to need those moves. Look at my recent Lugia & Ho-oh streams. Return+Curse+Rest are not always required.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I have watched everything of yours recently and I know and I can't argue, for the bigger stronger mons its not as needed, but I can't help but see that particular combo more and more often, I guess your playing more mons that need it. I would be interested to see a comparison, like your Snorlax VS Snorlax run where the sets were different to see what worked better, in that case Amnesia, in this case, Return and Curse, Rest is kinda your signature at this point, I'm not against your methods, love the runs, always have, just curious as to the possibility of greater variety
Really looking forward to the versus videos :)
As someone who loves most of the canine-inspired Pokémon, I was never all that endeared to Snubbull. Maybe because it walks on its hind legs? Or maybe the ugly-cute thing just doesn't do it for me. X3 At least it becoming a Fairy type gives it a decent differentiation from... uh... a lot of other things it's similar to? >_>
1. Interesting observation with the quick claw
2. Credits are perfect. Good job! The pace is good and full screen
3. Wtf happened with pineco for it to be Bruno. I need to watch that vid
Pineco is very bad haha. Enjoy the video
This game is strange. The flying gym leader give you a ground type TM, and the ground gym leader leads with a flying type pokemon
Yeah. Very weird
i'm very hyped for these vs videos.
me too!
You mentioned amulet coin being equipped, but didn't mention why. Did you get more vitamins from that extra money earned and was it needed? I love your analytical approach to this game! My wife says I make spreadsheets about everything and this just merges my 2 loves of Pkmn and data.
Not sure if this is a silly idea but was it an option to not teach mud slap until the end (and instead HP ground earlier if needed) to help set up against Pikachu or Snorlax in the red fight. Great run and commentary as always!
It’s a bit silly, but also could work!
Zero resets! amazing! Looking forward to those vs videos. I usually watch them a lot alter than they come out cause they're longer and I need to time them well but they a
re super fun.
Glad you like them! I’m looking forward to them too!
It would take a lot of editing, but could you maybe look into making the pictures of the pokemon on your ranking list into flip cards that you could flip the entire board and show the times, resets and levels of each run you did of each pokemon? Sometimes It’d be nice to remember back to the levels and time it took. Because it’s hard to keep track without seeing the numbers😅
i wonder how can you make these videos so fast and with such high quality.
I invested really heavily in getting production processes dialed in over the last two years. We used a lot of time doing stuff that didn’t seem immediately useful, but now production is incredible fast and easy and quality isn’t compromised.
Which Pokemon is "Soon" ? Chinchou ? Shellder ? Kraby gen2 ?
I don't think we saw it being captured. Well the Elite 4 isn't finished yet, maybe I'll see it later.
Also, if I remember correctly, curse was a non type a ??? Type move? Not a ghost type, I think anyway. Maybe I'm wrong
Oh boy, can't wait for the 3 way vs between the starters in crystal
pretty sure hes not doing a 3way but a gen1 vs gen 2 so typhlosion vs charizard, blastoise vs feraligatr, and venusaur vs maganium, it was mentioned in either one of the latest streams
@@corberus3119 oh I know, I'm baiting him to do it in gen III ahahahahahaha
TIL Vital Throw existed in Gen II.
Are there any pokemon that you've used dynamic punch for Jasmine?
No. Not yet. Dig, Fire Punch, hidden power, or surf always seem like better options. Even Mud-Slap because it ruins the magnemites
Hype for the versus battles
15:39 - that's true with Hitmonlee. Only kinda true with Hitmonchan, as he has higher def than Lee. And Hitmontop has even higher def than Chan.
Granted both gen1 hitmons have much higher special defense when compared to their defense stats.
I'll be honest I kind of figured Snubbull would end up being a little better than Teddiursa in the long run, and I think it would have been in Generation I for sure. Yes, it has slightly worse stats, but growth rate ends up being super important after all. But with Red...I'm wondering if that's even true. For first stage Pokemon you have to train to such a high level I think it might end up evening things out.
But I don't know if I'm still convinced. I ended up taking a gander at the Teddiursa video to refresh myself again on how Teddiursa did, and Teddiursa beat Red at Level 83, but didn't use Curse at all. Now it is a bit faster at Level 83 than Snubbull was at Level 90, but all you need is 149 Speed to outspeed the Venusaur, so I'm wondering if doing a similar strategy, eschewing Curse and the Quick Claw for Leftovers and Sleep Talk would have resulted in needing less leveling in Mt. Silver and ultimately a better time. Obviously I think you probably considered this but something in my brain is just like "Can this be pushed farther". They're just so similar to each other as Pokemon after all.
Ultimately, I still think you did a good job and a 4 minute difference isn't actually that bad! I'm just trying to bounce off ideas, so hopefully I don't come off too harsh about it.
At this point, without you having released (maybe even recorded) any of the three versus, I'm gonna make a prediction:
The winners are going to be Venusaur, Typhlosion and Feraligatr.
Venusaur is easy, it is a beast of a starter, while Meganium... isn't. Their bulk is actually not that different, but Venusaur has a better offensive power, and the poison type protects it from many threats that Meganium is going to suffer from. It also has a better general moveset (I MAY be mixing with later gens) although fair is fair, Meganium should get razor leaf when Venusaur is still rocking vine whip, so that's one point for the flower brontosaurus.
...Okay, I checked and Meganium gets Earthquake while Venusaur doesn't... but Venusaur still has that poison typing, 20 more points in special attack and access to sleep powder AND growth, not to mention leech seed for passive damage and recovery, if needed, so still giving it to the og grass starter, but not by as much as I originally thought. Will may be a problem for Venusaur, but Koga and the Team Rocket are going to be a joke, and Bugsy won't destroy it with Fury Cutter, unlike Meganium.
Typhlosion vs Charizard is actually a tough versus in my mind. They have the same BST, and I mean THE SAME, not just the same total, so it comes to Charizard being flying type. It helps it against Chuck and Bruno (to a degree, at least, against Bruno, because those Rock Slides from Onix and Machamp are going to HURT), but it makes it weaker than Typhlosion against Pryce, Surge, Brock, Whitney's Miltank, half of Lance's team and Red's Pikachu (although Pikachu may fall against a single Earthquake, so we'll see).Anything with rock, ice or electric moves, really. So ultimately, it is worse being flying than not, for a fire mon.
Blastoise vs Feraligatr match is a matter of who is the better offensive mon. Both have a similar sp. atk (Blastoise is a bit better), Feraligatr actually has a better physical bulk (same defense, but more hp), both have the same speed, Feraligatr has a way better atk and a worse sp def. The thing is, most of the things that will threaten Feraligatr from the special side WILL fear his physical might. As with Typhlosion vs Charizard, it is a close match, but while Blastoise has a better standing power against certain threats (Red's pikachu, Lance's Thunder Dragonite, Surge, Erika), Feraligatr is going to get some head up against... well, pretty much anything else, and that assumes that Feraligatr is going to get some resets that Blastoise won't, it may very well NOT.
Awww poor gligar my boi deserves justice
Blastoise and feraligatr we my first starters, I am interested to see them head to head. Have a good day Scot.
hiker anthony seems like a smug guy for ended an insane amount of crystal speedruns
Here's hoping for Ursaring Vs Granbull in the future
Ursaring vs Donphan
13:30 Indeed, that was very spiteful.
It doesn't add too much, but have you ever considered starting the game at night? That way in early game you have the ability to fight the optional policemen on the "goldenrod routes" for additional early game exp.
Neat idea. Might be important for truly awful Pokémon…
30:20 Glad I'm not the only one, also felt very lazy. From the start Pokemon has 150 Pokemon but yet there are so little amount of Pokemon that they had to use it tree three times.
Aww, I always loved Snubbull...
Is the a granbull video I love granbull
I love your video and I'm happy you have done all the bugs
Always love the crystal runs. I wish we'd get a Johto remake or port of some kind on Switch
0:39 Wait, what? Your fiancee hates Snubbull?
But the Pokedex says Snubbull is popular amongst women! Something's fishy...
Regarding Gen 2 mons and their stats and movesets, why did GF decide to literally render so many Johto Pokémon completely useless or locked behind postgame?
Maybe they wanted them to be like special rare Pokémon? I dunno, they aren’t very strong though and so many have slow growth rates making them awful to use.
It's like a different version of the gremlins, teddiursa is gismo and snubbull is the gremlin 🤣🤣
I think some of your times might improve a bit if you cut back on elemental punch usage for pokemon with bad sp atk in the early to mid game. I get that super effective damage is enticing, but Snubull's sp atk is wayyyy worse than its physical attack, so it's almost always doing more with a normal effective stab headbutt than a super effective elemental punch. For example, you had to 2 shot Pryce's seel with thunder punch when headbutt would have easily OHKO'd.
Yup. Agreed. I did cut back on elemental moves in the second run.
Go snubbull! and what a second round!
With your much higher atk than Sp atk and Aerodactyl's lower physical defense, would Shadow Ball possibly do more than Ice Punch to it? Or maybe it would be about the same amount. Just curious how that damage would work out
If it can't one hit, then at least the freeze chance makes ice punch better, but maybe
Yeah, that’s a good idea. I should check. I always forget that Aerodactyl has lower physical defense.
Remember seeing this thing in the first movie Pikachu short and absolutely losing your mind realizing there were more than 151? 🤣 Funny how they can't give gligar mud slap, or aero rock slide, but this ugly/cute mf'er can call the rain and use thunder haha
An extra one for Denis because we're in the correct region for it.
Damn you gonna have to ban Curse and Return and Quick Claw
what happened with the dead bellsprout stats at 2:30
I don't know.
Shadow ball is a physical move so snubull should bang with that move
Venomoth is a fighting / steel type today
46:15 - Somehow I am actually very impressed at its optimized finish.
Something I notice in your gen 2 videos is that you always go up the route to talk to Floria before you beat Whitney. I don't think you have to do this. I always just go talk to the lady watering her flowers after I beat whitney and she just gives me the squirtbottle. I usually am playing silver, and its been a while since I did that event in crystal, but goldenrod is usually the center where I start trading with other games, so I don't go north to grind and leave them for later grinding and coast on traded pokemon. Since your doing a speed challenge, I imagine not talking to floria would save you a couple of minutes on each run.
They changed it in Crystal. You do have to go north in this game, but in Silver you can just get the squirtbottle right away.
5:10 lol Teddiursa freudian slip
Yayyy art for hiker Anthony!
Strange, I've always thought of teddiursa and phanpy as being a pair.
They are. Snubull is just Teddiursa but worse
Anyone that saw the Ho oh livestream got the spoilers for the ranking Snubs got.
Yup. Rip me
Snubbull is underrated. But a good mon
If you are one point slower, and also only get a roll with one of your attacks, then why not use just one or two rare candies?
I know you like saving them, but it could still save time overall maybe?
In the case of a final evolution, I would do that. But the fear of Red is strong with a first-stage Pokemon...
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Well if it was one rare candy lets say in order to out speed, then you have to weigh whether its faster to have multiple resets, or to level up once at around level 80.
As in, does the time loss from multiple resets amount to more than the time loss from leveling once at a high level.
team meganium right here its my first ever level 100 pokemon i got in crystal ironically enough grass dino FTW
I think more than anything Snubbulls design made me never want to play gen 2. So thanks, dodged a bullet there.
You did.
So, bevore im starting to watch, heres my Opinion: Snubull should be more or less an cakewalk. As i know it has around 90 baseattack and a very good movepool. I would wonder, if this Mon gives a lot of trouble or getting walled.
Damage-rounding threshold
I feel like all normal type Pokemon should learn Swift no matter their speed cuz it's a normal type move so
Really excited about multiple videos a week in May! One a week just isn't enough!(Though I am sure it is for you guys working on them. Haha)
What emulator do you use? Trying to find one but don't know what's safe/easy
I use Retroarch, but it isn’t easy. I’d suggest mGBA for an easy alternative
29:50 Why not just use one Rare Candy to outspeed the Dragonites?
The fear of Red
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon understandable 😄 maybe those kind of decisions will become easier, once you're familiar with certain pokemon and their growth rates