Exactly! I wanna play my German 6.7 lineup, but when each tank has a repair cost of roughly 10k EACH, It just isn't sustainable. I mean...the Tiger II 105 costs 17k! Considering that I don't use premium, running these vehicles isn't sustainable
I strongly believe they are tampering with matchmaking for as they way of balance. Mig-21 has strangely often really usles teams to it, and it should be opposite as for U.S there were always people who pay and rush through line. When with Rusia almost no one fells look this is this iconic plane I will buy my way to it. Same with Tu-4 I plaed same br on other planes menany times and there isn't really one nation to dominate at this b.r however when I jump into Tu-4 my win rate is skyrocketing down.
Fr up until I finally filled out my US 7.7 lineup I regularly had to hop down to my Shermans and Panther lineups because US Tier 4 prices were too high for me to afford
_"The higher you climb the tech tree, the more skilled players you face."_ I'd like to contest that this probably plateaus around 8.0 as the game starts becoming cheese fighting cheese. It just feels like a net drain of enjoyment.
The game has been bitch tits mc chicken greases fighting for the goomer throne for a while now. It's all cheese fighting cheese anymore. That's why sycophants flood to the forums jerking off the mods and starting fights to slide threads into keeping their powerful ass toys.
Basically the reason I don't play anything above 7.0 It's the tier where individual skill slowly starts to matter less as the game devolves into "who can point and click with thermals on the fastest"...
It literally is Gaijin's stance that top tier shouldn't be played to earn money, and that instead Premiums and low and mid tier should be played. So Gaijin is part of the problem again.
@@Whiteghost785 ; Why is it fine not to make money playing top tier vehicles? I never understood that sentiment. Why should I play lower tier vehicle to finance top tier vehicles? Heck with the current economy not even those make money.
That was WoT logic shamelessly stolen by Gayjoob: you lose money at tier 8-10, so buy this tier 8 premium to afford repair costs (even with premium involved)
@@FirstDagger Part of it is they actually want people to smurf to maintain the population at lower tiers, because they're worried that the playerbase could become too top-heavy because people naturally want to play high-tier vehicles since endgame=better in most people's eyes. The other part is to force you to spend money if you want to play high-tier exclusively. It's especially effective because people have a sunk cost mindset since they've spent so much time grinding to get there.
You forget that the matchmaking system should be blamed on Gaijin. It actively encourages smurfing so when new players are being stomped, they force them to open their wallets. The core gameplay of WT is suffering.
The most egregious griefing I see in war thunder is in air arcade- there are whole squadrons of level 100+ sweats who dedicate all their playtime to circling above enemy air spawns and diving on players as soon as they spawn in. This isn't just in high tiers, they go down to tiers 2 and 3 to do this to new players and then shit-talk them in chat when their scummy play style gets called out. As far as I can tell, the ones who don't do it just to make other people's experience less enjoyable do this specifically to pad their K/D ratios, which is pretty pathetic, imho.
@@AlexLopez-sz2cu It keeps track of many of your stats and actually does it per vehicle. Go to your player card and service record and I believe you should see your vehicles stats listed there.
The idea of "safe matches" with bots at the start is very reasonable I just hope they don't use the bots in the defensive missions, as they slightly tend to snipe you on the move from 2km away every single time
@@odiousfox355 it doesn't have to be full bots and you just need to play a few games to get through them I certainly would be happy to just face low tier opponents right now
Pretty much the reason I stopped ground rb right around 4.0-5.0, highest density of questionably balanced premiums and top tier players doing events, or just seal clubbing
That br bracket is cancer, i know. But at least if u can (and u obviously can) go up from that br, u wont see them. But its a issue if u like that low of a br. Personally being a skilled 8.7-9.7 player, i wouldnt go back to 4.0 or lower cz tanks there arent my favourite. Even if i have the kv1b. The problem is people, (i mean pure wheraboos), that just have fun ruining other's fun like a psychopath
@Battery Boi At least u could've stayed and gotten better over time. Back when i started even if u gave me pantherA at 2.0 i'ld still do shit If u can, come back. If u dont like a br, its no problem. U can move to the next one. Most of the frustration that i see is from skill issues, and bad luck. U cant do anything about luck, but u can about ur skill Before, i used to be scared about the object 279. Now i dont care
As much I like his channel, even he gives into broken meta R3, Falcon, etc. I never got to play the R3 when it slaps back in 3.3. He seal clubs from time to time everyone does it because it just happens the vehicles players want to play are at that BR. Where he states that there is no skill base matchmaking to divide skilled frome none skilled players. The MM would take horrendously long as it already is. I find that WT is a game you play for a bit and stop after the 5th/10th match. Sometimes even earlier if you pull an amazing game.
2:55 I also feel like there should be some sort of bot only mode (ie, you against a lot of bots or you, a team of bots, against bots) mostly for testing out vehicles in actual combat or just messing around.
You could set up a custom match. I do this occasionally when I have a bad match and I just want to feel invincible in my IS-3. The bots AI is garbage tho, on port Novo the bots will just drive into out of bounds and kill themselves on the North Spawn.
Yes, thank you so much for this video! I could never get into tanks because every time I tried to learn how to play the game, I'd run into some dude that has 10K+ matches in a PZ.2 lineup or some other clubbing tank like the German KV1. The annoying part is people always say "Oh, just because someone's level 100 and killed you, it doesn't matter", absolute bullshit, a level 100 player probably has better crew skills, better map knowledge, and better knowledge of where to shoot, which make a huge difference. I did manage to get up to the Shermans, but I just stopped playing tanks all together because around 90% of my deaths would be from some lvl 100 player sniping me across the map because I never really got the chance to learn the maps properly. Lead to me just sticking to Aircraft / Naval with WT.
This is a huge issue with maps, as you rise up the battle ratings, you encounter new maps you've never seen before, so you dont know anywhere to sit or any callouts for squad mates, nor do you understand the topography from the map on the spawn screen. You spawn in and have to waste your first tank getting a little bit familiar with the layout of the map while experienced players shit on you.
I have said this since the first day I played Warthunder, "They need to let you choose your maps so you can learn them and get good knowledge of where people sit.
I know this is a year ago now, but I have a suggestion for you if you still have this issue; Try making a custom battle with or without bots (You can find them in one of the dropdown menus on the top left of the screen) I have used it myself to either fuck around with the boys or just learn the maps, it's a useful and underrated tool
Well put for sure - smurfing is 100% an issue, i agree a lot of players arent doing it intentionally to be malicious, low tier is just more fun for a lot of them. They need to match low level players together and not allow level 30s+ for example, with people under 30.
Low tier is more fun for them precisely because they're stomping so it is intentional. Its exacerbated by Gaijins constant BR changes in low to mid tier that generally result in further compression making nations that benefit from this ^cough^ "Germany suffers" ^cough^ even more attractive to play at those lower BR ranges than they'd otherwise be. Tried a Jagdpanzer IV lately? Its monstrous.
Me, an intellectual: *bringing T-34-85 and Hellcat into 8.3 and doing better in them than my actual 8.0 lineup* Edit: 8.3 vid is up boys lets goo. Not exactly how I wanted it but hey thats video editing for ya.
I especially feel bad for the new players when I see a Flak pz.38 with 16 kills. I'm pretty sure some people quit War Thunder because of that single game.
...this thing was overpowered years ago and it yet didn't get nerfed. At first people complained about russian bias...but the real one is german bias. But yes, germany suffers each day. It suffers so much I've seen people asking for Leopard I to go down even more because they have to face "annoying" ZSU-57-2 - lmao.
They also need to separate plane/ground/naval player level if they ever do something like this. I was thinking a ranked system is actually possible in WT with both skill and BR taken into account for MM. But the games need to be smaller in size
Everyone besides the japanese seems to have some well armored easy play no brain vehicle for lowtier and those are being abused with aced crews and more vegetation than the whole map,
@@shadowraven3253 Yeah I started with and main Japan and have been using tier 3 for the event. I've been killed by a KV1-C what feels like more than any other vehicle during this event. I don't even try to fight them anymore. Just scout, track if I can, then dip lol
@@Chad_Thundernuts you should learn the weakspots for them, get back at them for being overconfident shitheads, The KV-1C slaps but you can't angle the turret that well so you should try and exploit that if you're using gear like the Chi-To at Tier III.
@@brettchadwick4124 Nah I'm using the M24, and playing with 250-350 ping. It's just not worth it for me to try and fight them. I lose 9/10 times, even going for weak spots.
Grinding China was something that made smurfing even more of a people, as new players had a tree with very good vehicles. Me and my squadron basically ruled the map when we were starting out in it.
That was the opposite for me although i stopped playing war thunder but i'll be getting back to play with my WoT clan i was grinding the italian tree and it was torture UNDERPOWERED SLOW NOT ARMORED and i don't know how to shoot the fucking gun plus i don't know the good positions so it was basically shoot and hope
Another idea: make top tier not cancer so that people who want to have fun would actually be attracted to that kind of game mode. i'm level 100. i still think tier 3 tanks are the most fun, the matches are always more entertaining and i dont mind unlocking top tier stuff with Tier 3 matches, cuz i'd rather have fun rather than play something i hate
Same here as well. I generally play between 3.7 and 6.7. Top tier sucks because the battle is won or lost in the first 2 minutes of the game and everyone leaves after they die once.
This is especially commonplace in Air AB. Where you got max level 4-player squads with over 30k matches each, using full stacks of planes with 8 or more respawns. Same people usually either wiping ground strike games in 2 minutes or spawncamping bombers with BnZ planes. Drives people off of the game extremely easily, as I too have had enough of the J22 & P-47 meta.
The smurfing in air realistic is insane right now. In 2 hours of play time I received a grand total of ~1000 rp, mainly gained from the free rp gained from taking off. With 80 hours in game, I just received my first tier 3 today
I've been playing War Thunder for 7 years now, in many different accounts (lost all except for one) and the more I play it I have the impression that the community itself destroys the game more than Gaijin. For all these years most times I thought about quitting War Thunder were caused by things such as: -Spawn killing/spawn camping -Smurfing -Revenge killing -Being toxic overall
You are 100% correct I've been playing for a couple years now and theres nothing that kills my will to grind more than Toxic players, I can put up with upteirs that completely screw over my lineup but something I can't compensate for is that one asshole who pulls out his G.91 R/4 (or other good ground attack aircraft) and proceeds to kill me every time I respawn because I knocked out his precious premium tank
Annd when I got to make thread on steam. They shut me down on spawn killing and camping calling me crying and bitching. Yeeep. That's another reason I quit.
yep and I played warthunder for 2 years and havent gotton top tier because thier is always that one person in your team who acts like a dic because he was first to die in his premium.
Nothing like rolling around in a Matilda, somehow flank some random german vehicle, then 15 to 25 seconds after the kill watching some german fighter plane bee-line for you.
@@redacted5736 Between 2017-2018 I completely stopped playing online matches in War Thunder because I was full of toxic players screwing my games. I've only been playing War Thunder for real when I started playing it and just more recently. Community has let me down so much that I'm still mid-tier after all these years. Sure it may sound like some kind of lie to cover up I'm a bad player and that may be true because I don't spawn kill and ruin other's games just for grinding. I've lost the count of how many times I pointed out players toxic behaviours and they just said something like "oh get good" or "you're just bad". Easy to complain about Gaijin and it's "broken mechanics" while your enemy team figured out how to stop your spawn killing
If Gaijin want to fix smurfing then they need to fix the economy too. I play allot of 4.0 arcade simply because high tier just isn't financially stable and playing low tier is the only viable way for a f2p player like me to grind silver w/out exploiting bugs.
I have a friend who is still semi-new to the game. We can't do realistic battles that often since he just cannot afford to do them, especially since he's on the lower end of "mediocre" so he is essentially losing a crap ton of silver each match. So we stick to the 4.0 flying where it's the sweet spot to have fun and make decent cash.
@@Karter_Blackpaw really new players are coming in? I always end up playing mostly the same guys every few maps. It's to a point I remember games against people few days ago. Play between 4.7 to 7.7
weirdly enough i've reached 9.3 ground without premium (i've only bought prem when i was at 3.0-5.0). i just bought the kpz 70 last week and now i almost have made enough to buy the leopard 2k and give it a crew
While I agree with most of the points you make, you've omitted one important reason to play low tier - SL. Yeah, the gains aren't that great, but with negligible repair costs and pretty much guaranteed at least 5 kills a match, 2.0-5.0 is a great way to make loads of money, especially if you have the full lineups.
@@kirkus4400 if im in a higher br where the tanks in the specific tree that im playing aren't as dominant, like britain for example, ill take a lower tier premium prop with a decent payload and make back my losses and recoupe my brain cells. Especially if you dont have a premium account, a good premium vehicle in your tree will help tremendiously.
I agree ! I started playing war thunder 2 months ago. My first days are really depressing. There are always 3 or 4 lvl 80-100 players in the game . They started wiping out inexperience players from blind spots and sometimes so far from the point our crew can't even see. The main problem is crew skills where we really struggle to keep up against . Idk why people do this even in arcade mode . They just want to bully newbies at Tier 1 2.
Yeah buddy, Top tier isn't great..The repair cost is WAY too high, and multiplying that there's too much shit that can kill you easily. I just enjoy WW2 content for the simplicity of it all and I'm just a ww2 fan; so I do more 5.3 than I do 10.0. I would enjoy the M60 more, But instead of facing T-54's; I'm constantly going up against T-55AM1's. Both the T-54 and the M-60 would do great with a .3 change lower in BR. I don't mean to smerf - and if I could be placed in matches with folks at my similar level - I wouldn't give a load.
The 55AM should rather get the .3 higher rating. The other two fit in eith most tanks they face/play with but the AM is straight up a better A but for real money.
I don’t think he’s referring to people that play like 4.0+ When I think of seal clubbing it’s some level 100 with 3000 hours that only plays like 2.3 with a full lineup of pumas or something.
Literally me when I see a guy with a full set of 3D gun decorations at a 1.3 match Also, the problem with using levels to match up players is a little problematic. For example, I mainly play aviation and have grinded out a majority of rank 4 for all nations except Italy however I rarely play ground despite my interest in the vehicles because of this exact issue I’m currently level 80 with 75+ of those levels being achieved through aviation. So it would be putting an aviation main with little to no skill with ground against pros
@@irinashidou9524 That idea would be great with one small problem, that being the ground airflights, do you count them as air or plane exp? They aren't ground obviously but you aren't really playing air there like you do in air realistic. You play differently with either sticking to the ground on lower tiers for friendly cover or high so that you can evade AA. When was the last time that you really used AA in air realistic besides the base AA?
Usually the "Aces" are just "asses" using ulq and modded audio on their paycheck rig with only the most elite specific vehicles and almost always in a squad to fluff their stats. A lot of them do cheat literally.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 why cheat when u can make a 1.3 German loud out with literally seven 20mm with 64mm pen vehicles and the he which can top down anything
@@nmspy You're asking why egotistical plastics would want a meta goomer cheese advantage over players that step all over them playing normally... think about it. They get made fun of for reserve seal clubbing to get stats, and it doesn't earn, so they got to show their sUpEriOriTy at tier 3 plus no-life making the events even more miserable slapping people who went through the effort of tactics through over 9000 bushes at 2K range over a hill. This is often the annoying brigade on the forums saying pLaY AA or SpAwN pLaNe, or iF iT iS sO gOoD dO x ToO, or GiT gOoD on a non skill issue all to divert attention away from their crutches.
2 days ago I played my first game back after 1 month (at 5.3) and barely 1 minute into the game I died to a lvl 100 with probably 1000s of ours in the game. Usually I would say in my head "died to a lvl 100 addict again lol" but i decided not to care. After that, I came back in my Panther, killed the guy and killed 5 more others, carried my team and almost won the game. And I'm only lvl 30.
I’m only level 25ish and just started grinding France only to be met with a squad of 4 rank 100s with Swedish tanks. They literally each got 7 kills. Hardly anyone in my team could really do anything about them….
I stay in the 3.3 to 5.7 bracket most of the time because for the most part its balanced, great/terrible matches in rotation but anything 6.7 or higher just feels like sniper fights where you get shot across map with no idea where you're getting shot from.
Sorry for necroposting but Hahaha it's so funny to play on Wiese and against him l! I like sitting in bushes and launch rockets across the map into the mbts that just spawned! This game is really balanced
God I really hate top tier versions of ground maps they are needlessly large i cant even get to the OBJ most of the time because the enemy just sets up shop near hills that let them camp our spawn on top of thay I have to worry about CAS because most people dont like to play AA
@@loumorningstar7709 I'm still pissed that the M24 is no longer Tier 3 and I cannot use the American BR 3.7 line to farm wagers. I bet you are too. In addition, I don't see GE wagers on the reward reels anymore.
blast from the past, mentioning Navyfield like that lol. Though arguably once you were past light cruisers/heavy cruisers on the tech tree you were immediatelly dumped into a mode where anyone, including people with top battleships that had bought multiple sailor and premium packages and had vastly more knowledge of the game than you would stomp you for weeks on end until you either got good at manual aim and progressed enough in a techtree or dropped the game alltogether. And I'm trying to avoid the store factor and those packages I mentioned; somewhat p2w mtx at a time you only saw those in MMORPGs. Oh and yes there were high level players starting new lines or leveling crew with premium boosts all the way down there with the noobies, smurfing was definitelly a thing it was just kept in check better than in WT.
I got suspicious over this issue when I'd run fights at 3 BR and I'd go from getting 5 kills and 1 death, to getting 4 deaths and not grazing another person one after another. While I accept I'm probably mediocre at the game, the lack of consistency really raised a red flag to me. Tbh I got to rank 4.3 and ducked out of the game. It was a decent amount of investment, the game is a lot of fun when balanced. But as mentioned in the video, there are people with the most obscure premiums and they're still able to stomp the fuck out of you.
I agree to a point - but the solution could be a combination of approaches rather than just one. E.g. new player being grouped together for the first X number of battles, while bots are added to fill in the space only when needed. Alternatively - there could be an opt-out option for those who simply don't enjoy fighting bots, which comes with higher wait times (or veteran players). Conversely, more experienced players could opt to be put in games with newer players, but be restricted to the number of vehicles they could use, the rewards they get, etc. As a side note - I don't believe that restricting event tasks to tier 3 vehicles and above was a good idea. Some of the most iconic (and fun) tanks are now tier 2, which means they are never, ever used if you want to grind the tasks.
After I played for 1000 hours i made my biggest achievement today. Deinstalling the game. Over the last 2 months I made alot of breaks from the game due to mental breakdowns. Now I have finaly been able to draw a line.
Same here, I played for about 4-5 months and uninstalled. I had already gotten to top tier, done pretty well in top tier (top tier players are literally worse than 5.0 players in terms of air RB). I hit the 1,000 hour mark and I uninstalled.
When you mentioned all the obscure low tier premiums, I thought that might be a good future video topic. Some of those vehicles are now multi hundred dollar pieces, and it seems like there should be some system to keep them from being so exclusive.
@@m1a1abrams3 if you dont like the game, then dont come here. Also, this comes from a person with a M1a1 pfp and a Channel descripton of "Jake pauler dab on them haters", i would just shut up if i were you, honestly.
@@m1a1abrams3 I get where you're coming from, but I'd say Gaijin deserves to rot more than anything, while the game should achieve its true potential in the hands of competent developers.
I don’t mind smurfs because I can easily check their profiles and I just follow them the rest of the match as they know the best spots. I got killed many times by them but I get equal amounts if not more by following them and remembering their spots and strategies.
I think the biggest failure is introducing new players via tanks. Progression for tanks is slow and expensive, but I've managed to introduce 3 friends to warthunder this year by starting with planes, which is much more new player friendly as planes take less research and are generally cheaper. Now 2 of my friends are either researching their first jet or able to research their first jet. And the fun thing is if I get them to start playing tanks they now have cas planes leveled meaning they can try new things and not get as hindered as if they had started tanks or boats
Yep but Spookston have 35.09% win ratio in arcade and only 52.25% in realistic, also his efficiency in realistic is nice but not the best, that is why he is not experiencing this crapy teams/matchmaking that system is providing me so i am forced to do half of the killing in my not so small team...
It's not about what you play, it's about how you play it. It's fine to dick about and have fun in your fave low-tier vehicles, it's the people who feel the need to dominate the whole match who ruin it for everyone.
I stick to lower tiers, not because I want to smurf new players, but because I don't want to deal with the grind. Getting tracked without parts or set on fire with no extinguisher is not fun.
@@SeRgA123456789 thats the issue. It takes two decwnt games. But maybe im just bad, or if you dont have parts/fpe the game puts you against literal gods which you cant do anything against.
@@SeRgA123456789 but it still takes time. And if you don't have premium, it takes way more than just 2 matches. The problem is that id you play new tanks without parts nor fpe, you get "smurfed". It is an infinite loop of smurfing
Oh no now I have to get 12 kills with only one m4a4 whatever shall I do? Seriously I play most of my games as a one spawn a this point either because I've stomped the enemy team into oblivion and the game is virtually won or I get killed by some bullshit or die late in the game where the enemy has overrun my spawn.
i think what he means is dont bring a low tier line up that will completely dominate agame. however this is hard to do because while you might do this, it just leave the enemy team that might do the same thing and you wont be able to help you team.
i love playing my t28E (that is now womewhat 2.0 WTF) and i don't need more to get 10-12 kills per game (i play it at 3.0-3.7). Some tanks are just way too powerful to be at lower tier.
You can't even go by the players level. Some of us (myself included) are only the level we are by all but literally stumbling into it. Cause no matter how bad we are at video games, you still get some lvl exp. Matchmaking should be based around k/d and w/l ratios
@@Boz1211111 i mean.. that IS how it is now. 2 people have fun in the entire tier 3 lobby's.. the top player on each side.. everyone else in my games and i mean everyone else struggles to get a positive KD.. This game NEEDS SBMM
This latest event made me realized grinding SL in my 5.7 German lineup in arcade is insane. I even had a nuke one match, but sadly couldn't use it due to the enemy's points depleting to zero.
As a new player, the only issue with smurfing that i'm bothered by is crew skills, and maybe modifications to a lesser degree. The difference in skill is just an immersive element - it was common for hastily trained troops to face battle-hardened veterans and aces.
That is my main issue with the game. I'm pretty new to the game and I want to enjoy PvP. But dying to an enemy and finding out it was a level 100 player is very demoralizing. Have that happen in almost every game, I lose hope in trying to play PvP. I mainly stick to the PvE modes or bot games now. But those give so little (or no) rewards that I will never make it anywhere.
My main recommendation would be to find a squad to play with, there are a few discords and places to people to find playmates as well and hey even when one can't do anything being near someone and sometimes just help repair cover for them and stuff can be rewarding
Just like masterbaker said, i have 1200+ hours in the game and maybe only 5 of them are truly solo games, let me give you a word of advice, the harder you try to worse the game gets, give into the stupidity, find something you think is dumb and run with it, me and my buddies go into top tier games with vehicles that shouldn't work and somehow we slap sweaty try hard cheeks on a regular basis, don't take the game seriously, it'll destroy you
My problem with this being restricted to levels is that players that play every once in a while (like myself) would gradually level up despite the skill level not entirely up to par as you'd expect from someone on the same level who plays constantly.
I grinded till 8.7 br in germany I quited because its too hard With premium or not So rn im sitting always on 4.0-6.0br I only take 1 tank that i want to play and a good duo plane Lets say a tiger 1H and bf109 g6 I love the duo and play it And tbh i am kindoff a sweaty player But now when i see it whats the point pf sweating when the game is garbage Since i have breakdowns from the game i take my 15cm slG and go to top tier to make other people mad when i kill them Or i stay at low brs and just try to have fun without sweating
1. Going into lower tier battles to grind SLs you need to play at higher tiers is not smurfing. It's bad game design that centers around grinding and microtransactions rather than gameplay.
Agree with all the problems, but you're conflating smurfing and sealclubbing. The only reason to smurf in war thunder, ie to create a new account, is because if you do the referral link you can get 2500 gold on the 'primary' account you use to refer. Sealclubbing is very real, I see plenty of squadrons in beginner rank matches. I stick to BR 5-ish for airplanes, because WW2 is why I signed up, and BR 4-5-ish for tanks, same reason. Zero interest in the made up fuckery that is recent-modern BR ranges. As a result, because I do well, I end up seal clubbing, but since they don't do skill based matchmaking, nothing to be done. I either play BRs I dislike intensely, or I seal club. Frankly at this point given Gaijin's shit handling of War Thunder, I'm happy to drive away new players. The sooner this shitpile dies, the better. Maybe then someone will come along and do a better job of it with an opening in the market.
@@Ramzi1944 Every so often war thunder will pop up a message saying 'refer a friend, have them use this link'. Punch in the link, it takes you to a war thunder account creation page, create an account with a valid email (it doesn't HAVE to be valid, but if you use an invalid one you can never change it and if your account gets hacked, good luck with that). When the referred account gets to certain progress, the referrer gets golden eagles. 500 gold for when the friend/smurf reaches level 3 in any vehicle line in one nation, and 2000 more gold at level 5. Last time I did it, took about 3 weeks, doing a couple hours a day on the smurf.
So I take it your a level 100 player then ? But why is it so important for you to drive away new players, I honestly thought that the game was meant to attract new players not drive them away. Myself I have been playing for a while the only reason my level is in the 60's is because of people like you, there is no way I'm gona end up in high tier, I point blank refuse to go any higher than tier 8 because it doesn't interest me. But in all fairness I guess that's what most of the level 100 players are good at driving people away from a game they hope to have fun in but you guys stop all that from happening, thus is just my option and I think it's an unfair advantage over low level players. Oh and by the way yes I have had to stick my hand in my pocket to try and you guys but due to lack of experience I don't honestly see me going any higher until you lot ( in general ) no specific naming not that I actually know any but have seen plenty of them in low tier shoulder bugger off back to there respective levels, rant over.
Well idk - when I take low tier stuff, I also change my playstyle to super chill with no much attention. No need to do pixel hunting with thermal sight (if your tank have one ofc) against camper who is 2km away, no need for thinking about not losing your tank because repair cost is huge, armor that actually can work, planes are not as cancer because they don't have jet engines + atgms and it's actually possible to kill without AA. And with AA, you can get like 3-4 kills in less than a minute, since it's so easy to take down those planes (ofc if there is enough planes in the sky). You don't need to actually try your best at low tier and you can play comfortably.
It’s always hilarious seeing grown ass men with 100s of days of playtime, just sitting there and playing some busted vehicle at 1.0-2.0 It’s genuinely concerning that people actually find solace in playing like that.
most annoying is that now playing warthunder is like going to work: you have to complete all the tasks (summer landing, battle pass) and no time for fun low tier battles.
You're being shitty at [whatever BR your T-72 is] because you aren't used to that playing style. I bet that you'd go and slap fricking hard at some 3.0 or something like that. It's about playing style.
@@mixderman2461 the higher the br the more you passive you have to play in my experience. At lower tiers it's important to spot ppl before they spot me but I can always use my armour as a fall back. But when I play my 7.3 line up I feel like I am playing hide and seek, and if I don't find someone before they find me I am probably gonna die to a HEATFS or Sabot shot.
Rest assured; When I am against the German or Finnish KV-1 when I'm playing rank II, it's gonna get my full attention, and get the satisfaction of killing it, and perhaps get a fanmail from them, to top it off.
The problem with the kv1B is the fact that it has very good armor in the front, but a really bad cannon for 4.0. Only 86mm of pen. The armor About the armor I can said that if the m10 player aim for the lower front plate, its a oneshot. From the side, even a m24 can oneshot you if he aim in the lower plate. The cannon The cannon can pen only 86mm, but the shells have the capacity to pen even with high angles, and the explosiv is enough to guarantee one shot one kill. The problem is that a 4.0 there are many inexperienced palyers who don't know that your kv1B-E is not a simple kv1, so they shot in the turret or in the pilot's optics, and many times they don't have a good aim so the shot hits sideways, where there is the 20mm plate over 80mm armor. But you cannot move this tank in 4.3 or 4.7 because against 5.3 or 5.7 you can pen absolutley nothing. Imagine pen 86mm against tigers, panthers, is1 or jumbos. Already against shermans firefly and Churchill mk3 you have no possibility to pen them at the distance. In 4.0/3.0 there are a lot of good cannons that players are unable to use them. Look the m10. It's one of the most common vehicles in 3.0/4.0.
while i think the implied bot system you suggested would help, i feel that a system that should match players within 10-20 player levels of the player in question as well as the BR of their tank, this way it keeps things consistent in terms of skill bracket mid game, as well as preventing reserve tier bullying
to fix smurfing they should put all players in the match with a similar total hours played, for example 1k hours players with other 1-2k hours players, 300 hours with 200-400 hours and so on
It would have no sense. I played 3 different trees and i have max 5.7. Some peoplr with my same amount of hours played are at 8.0 or 9.0 woth one tree. How could we play together ? No way.
The game has so many meta changes, that its hard for me to say that someone is purely smurfing. Its plausible that a player doesnt want to play with stabilizers. Or NVDs. Or HEAT/APFSDS.
Very good video. I just recently started playing the game and after losing match after match, tank after tank to Level 100s camping the best sightlines while I was a literal level 1 I got really close to quitting. Luckily I pulled through and unlocked the Marder 1A1 the other day, which is my favourite tank in the game so far and I'm looking forward to what top tier holds in store for me.
@@anthonyberger810 how so? Is one nation really barred for all new players? I play Germany, USSR, USA and Sweden all at the same time and all have their advantages and disadvantages in my experience. PS: Like, literally, how am I part of the smurfing problem (the one mentioned in the video) because I just started playing the game?
@@arnowinchester591 Germany has horrendously underBRed vehicles and is a smurf nation from start to finish. At least USA and USSR have actual drawbacks to their vehicles. The Panther D at 5.3 has absolutely no weaknesses. It’s armor is in practice unpennable, it’s mobility is excellent, it’s gun is DISGUSTINGLY GOOD, when used as a sniper, it is practically unbeatable. The literal only thing that balances it out is the fact that 8/10 German players have -10 IQ. It’s the 2/10 that have coordinated 4 man squads and aren’t bots that are absolutely terrifying. A full team of competent German players simply cannot be defeated by even equally competent USA/USSR teams due to how disgustingly underBRed the entire German tech tree is.
@@anthonyberger810 if you think the long 75 at 5.3 is under-BR'd, check out the Pz. IV/70 A, a whole BR lower, with the best gun to snipe with at that BR. It's funny though, on the one hand you have German players going like "Tiger too weak, move it to 4.3" on the other you have players like "Tiger too stronk, move to 10.0"
I went back to some lower tiers recently after unlocking my first 9.0 tank I was getting stomped into bankruptcy even with a decent 8.0-8/8.7 line up. But I wouldn't say I was smurfing I was researching my way higher for those other nations and trying to work out if I wanted to go higher with them or not. Any France players reckon I should get into that line up?
Problem is worse now. Every low tier game has a level 100 abusing that map in the corner playing like a baby and then you have the massive amounts of CAS abusers that also happen to be level 100. Really sucks trying to get friends into the game when bombs are getting dropped on them in spawn and they die from max level players hiding in the most annoying spots.
I never really considered how bringing my entire lineup might perpetuate this. I guess I have just always assumed the same was being done to me so I might as well have a full lineup no matter the BR. Fortunately I dont go down THAT low, as I prefer the cold war tanks and more of a wargame red dragon kind of warthunder. Excellent video as always, sadly I haven't booted the game up in about 6 months and likely will never do so again. Thank you for the content, it helps keep me up to date if anything ever improves.
Lower tiers are more fun, I don’t know what to say. Also, it is way easier to grind events at lower tiers. I don’t know what the point of this video is. What do you want Gaijin to do about this? Not let people play the ranks below the one they have unlocked? There is no solution to this problem that wouldn’t be outrageous.
I must admit, that I simply enjoy squeezy boy and Stuka gameplay from time to time. And I am grinded through whole USSR tech tree. And I must say, I have most fun in mid tier. Because armor simply means something. Top tier is simply boring as hell. Too small maps. I would really enjoy big maps, but I think they would have to change the game modes as well. Maybe protect airfield and arty positions could be one?? AA positions could be a side objective to affect air control by even ground forces. Something like that.
Yeah, the problem with high tier gameplay is simply that Gaijin never designed the game with it in mind. They set the cutoff for vehicles so they'd be on the cusp of modern tech so they wouldn't need to redesign the game, then they realized how profitable it would be of they added higher brs. Players were getting bored of what existed, and were begging for modern combat so that's what they gave us.
Only problem I see with match with bots is the inconsistency of the aim of the bots, either they miss the target completely, shoot on the parts where the armor is the thickest or obliterate you from the other side of the map in a 1/10000 shot chance
you should make level categories for example players with under lvl 30 will play with lvls under 30 and so on. That would also make the match queue slightly higher which could in turn make players get actual lineups of tanks and not leave after 1 death
If gaijin was smart they would make a beginner's only game mode for players with 24/48/72hrs played. After that or if they choose sooner, they can play with everyone else. And the likelihood of someone making a new account just to smurf other players is very low.
this is a really good suggestion that meshes well with the whole tech tree system to help prevent smurfing. ill assume youve forwarded this suggestion to them via your CC channels, i hope they listen.
Damn you're right, I didn't even know about the smurfing problem, and technically, participating to it without realizing as I mainly do my daily task around rank III. However, the "Bring only your favorite tank" rule suits me. Instead of 3 tanks, you only bring one that you enjoy, and your games are faster, it leaves space for the newbies willing to come to the game.
I'm sorry, but this issue boils down to get good. There are people who complain about good players at literally every tier even top. The best way to fix it is to balance obscure premiums and fight for economy changes. Like one of my friends who recently started playing War Thunder felt somewhat that the game was not fun. Then I taught him how to play. He finally figured everything out and is on his way to a 2kd average and maybe eventually a 3kd. People who can't learn, I'm sorry for saying this, don't belong. It's not elitism. It's just setting a standard. And this reflects an overall societal value. If you suck at something, it's more than likely you suck. If this was a sport like tennis, at first, you have no idea how to even hit the ball. The people who genuinely wanna play will struggle their way up whilst everyone else will quit. That's just the way it is. And btw, the people who really want to do well in something relish a challenge.
I feel bad since i mostly play lower tier since I prefer WW2 (mostly planes in arcade) but playing the US tech tree you have 4.0 BR fighters in rank 4 where other countries have some rank 1 planes that face these planes. The entire tech tree is seal clubbing if you are experienced in the game (particularly with german or Italian fighters)
Bots in matches would be good giving them a higher br aswell so bot tiger vs early t34. Prevents bots just being annoying and easy kills whilst helping players learn how to deal with higher br tanks for when they face players in them
@@hobbobandits1986 but it is a bot tiger which is has bad aim, slow reaction, follows a set path and doesn't do tactical adjustments like angling or wiggling the turret (not really tactical i know) honestly it is an easy kill even for an inexperienced player
@@hobbobandits1986 mate a bot tiger is not hard to beat with an early t34 you dont have to be point blank you just can't point and click nor snipe it but guess what it can't snipe you its a bot and your moving so get 100m odd on its side and shoot it not hard. All i want is the bots to not be pointless targets that are no threat it might aswell take a bit of effort and present a danger to those not even tryinv to be useful.
My problem is that I accidentally seal club while grinding a new nation without even trying. Which makes me feel bad, as I remember when I was a new player.
>Gaijin doesn't discriminate matchmaking by time played >Gaijin doesn't discriminate matchmaking by overall player rank >There is no free option to easily progress through overpacked low tiers >Don't bring a full line-up >New Players should play against bots for longer Okay as a part of what I think is a minority of players who's been playing since 2013 who really haven't give much of a damn to unlock much (until recently) I find myself seal-clubbing easily in most low-tiers, and as someone who doesn't always have the money for a Premium Account or Vehicles I'm progressing at a speed that's comfortable to me to spade the vehicles I want. So when I hear that new players should play against Bots for longer which range from incredibly imbalanced and pin-point precise while on the move at 1.5km, in Arcade Survival to braindead and unmoving in self-made Custom Battles I'm not exactly hearing what'll teach new players the crucial skills they need to know. And maybe the onus is on me on this one but I'm not a fan of the idea of veteran players being told to 'not bring a line-up' because you'll be too good for new players, that's like making a rule that Prestige Players can play pistols only, and while sure for some people that's great but I can fluxgate from a 10 kill game with no deaths and a 2 kill game with 3 deaths, so it's not exactly fair to just say bring one tank, not to mention I'm not willing to drive my Tier I/II tank ten minutes into Maginot just to get shot and leave the match to do it again... I really don't have better solutions which fit within the purview of Gaijin, without changing the economy of research, the accessibility of higher tiers, the price of premiums or the wait times for matches I really don't see a logical fix to what is partially a problem with the grind of War Thunder
I get stomped at 9.0 because I don’t know how to use the tanks up their since I’m used to 6.7 and lower since they are fair to me. But I do find myself at 4.7 and 3.3 with my German line ups and can do very well. I find it fun down their since I like to grind and just enjoy the vehicles. I don’t complain about others doing something similar since I’m rank 80 having fun
I like to use the D-5 Stuka as fighter (favorite plane), sometimes it really can be a seal club as even veterans just aren't expecting what it can do let alone newbies.
My favorite tank is the panzer 3 m, I love playing it despite having a couple sets of 8.0+ to level the playing field I usually turn my hud off like I'm playing Sim against all arcade or realistic players 😂
Smurfs aren't as bad a problem as you think. One of the primary motivations for a smurf is to feel like they are good, when they aren't. They are the failures of higher tiers (at least some of the time). Think about it this way, if you identified a smurf as a noobie and followed them. What would you learn? Probably bad habits, in the long run. They might have better spots than you, but the way they play overall might be uncompetitive or not meta. This is because they aren't competitive.
I am currently smurfing for a reason you missed. I bought a new plane and after one bad game ran out of Silver money to repair my lineup and had to go for lower tiers just to make some money back. And I decided that instead of downgrading my current lineup, i simply switched to another nation and went from reserves
I think the better term to use to describe this would be one borrowed from World of Tanks: Seal Clubbing Smurfing implies you've made a new account to circumvent measures meant to prevent seal clubbing.
The worst example of this I saw was some guy his player card was 1000 kills to 100 deaths in a Stuart and the game I met him in he was constantly berating, mocking, and demeaning towards new players and being the most toxic individual I have ever seen in my 3000 hours of war thunder. All because he wanted his amazing kill death ratio in a rank 1 reserve vehicle
There is no need to create a new account, plenty of lvl100s in low br games, squad'd up, plastered in bushes, with immaculate lineups, steamrolling the games in less than 5 minutes. I've been trying to play this game like four times in the last 5 or 6 years, and I always quit before rank IV because I get so fed up with this problem.
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Also, if gaijin fixed their damn repair costs I bet a lot less people would be jumping to low tiers from time to time.
Exactly! I wanna play my German 6.7 lineup, but when each tank has a repair cost of roughly 10k EACH, It just isn't sustainable. I mean...the Tiger II 105 costs 17k!
Considering that I don't use premium, running these vehicles isn't sustainable
I strongly believe they are tampering with matchmaking for as they way of balance. Mig-21 has strangely often really usles teams to it, and it should be opposite as for U.S there were always people who pay and rush through line. When with Rusia almost no one fells look this is this iconic plane I will buy my way to it. Same with Tu-4 I plaed same br on other planes menany times and there isn't really one nation to dominate at this b.r however when I jump into Tu-4 my win rate is skyrocketing down.
Fr up until I finally filled out my US 7.7 lineup I regularly had to hop down to my Shermans and Panther lineups because US Tier 4 prices were too high for me to afford
eyo same
Not to mention rewards. You make more SL at low tier than you do at higher BRs
_"The higher you climb the tech tree, the more skilled players you face."_
I'd like to contest that this probably plateaus around 8.0 as the game starts becoming cheese fighting cheese. It just feels like a net drain of enjoyment.
The game has been bitch tits mc chicken greases fighting for the goomer throne for a while now. It's all cheese fighting cheese anymore. That's why sycophants flood to the forums jerking off the mods and starting fights to slide threads into keeping their powerful ass toys.
Basically the reason I don't play anything above 7.0
It's the tier where individual skill slowly starts to matter less as the game devolves into "who can point and click with thermals on the fastest"...
Even at 11.0 I still see braindead teammates who sit at random spots and don't even look at the minimap
@@robertharris6092 but shit tons of reason to smurf
I always bring the BT-5 in every BR because if I simply died in my BMP-2 first I’d get pretty annoyed
It literally is Gaijin's stance that top tier shouldn't be played to earn money, and that instead Premiums and low and mid tier should be played. So Gaijin is part of the problem again.
*Always has been*
It's fine if you do not make money, but you also should not lose it for enjoying top tier vehicles
@@Whiteghost785 ; Why is it fine not to make money playing top tier vehicles? I never understood that sentiment. Why should I play lower tier vehicle to finance top tier vehicles? Heck with the current economy not even those make money.
That was WoT logic shamelessly stolen by Gayjoob: you lose money at tier 8-10, so buy this tier 8 premium to afford repair costs (even with premium involved)
@@FirstDagger Part of it is they actually want people to smurf to maintain the population at lower tiers, because they're worried that the playerbase could become too top-heavy because people naturally want to play high-tier vehicles since endgame=better in most people's eyes. The other part is to force you to spend money if you want to play high-tier exclusively. It's especially effective because people have a sunk cost mindset since they've spent so much time grinding to get there.
You forget that the matchmaking system should be blamed on Gaijin. It actively encourages smurfing so when new players are being stomped, they force them to open their wallets. The core gameplay of WT is suffering.
Gaijin loves to do that in all their games. Crossout is a dubsterfire in machmaking for that reason too. Forces u to buy to became good
Kind of reminds me of Russia.
How come Russian governments and companies have this moronic culture of perpetual suffering?
@@honkhonk8009 well... Gaijin is a Russian company...
@@honkhonk8009 sounds like a trucking company that I used to work for... they had an office in a former Soviet satellite state.
@@honkhonk8009 That's what Socialism/Communism is all about! Making everyone suffer while abusing power, of course in the name of "helping" people.
The most egregious griefing I see in war thunder is in air arcade- there are whole squadrons of level 100+ sweats who dedicate all their playtime to circling above enemy air spawns and diving on players as soon as they spawn in. This isn't just in high tiers, they go down to tiers 2 and 3 to do this to new players and then shit-talk them in chat when their scummy play style gets called out. As far as I can tell, the ones who don't do it just to make other people's experience less enjoyable do this specifically to pad their K/D ratios, which is pretty pathetic, imho.
Theres kd ratios in wt?
@@AlexLopez-sz2cu It keeps track of many of your stats and actually does it per vehicle. Go to your player card and service record and I believe you should see your vehicles stats listed there.
Im sadly a victim of that. Fucking squad of lvl 100s in every match i get.
@@wauweau me to man I strugel to get one kill whit my Tiger H1 because I get killed from 5km away bro
This happened to me once and they just happened to have the ace title
The idea of "safe matches" with bots at the start is very reasonable
I just hope they don't use the bots in the defensive missions, as they slightly tend to snipe you on the move from 2km away every single time
AI gunners have the widest gap in skill in history
From missing by miles to hitting perfectly from miles away
Nononono, dumbest idea ever, nothing makes me drop a game faster than being forced to play with bots.
@@infinity9646 in the arcade ai daily I've never seen an ai miss.
@@odiousfox355that’s a you issue. Not the game .
@@odiousfox355 it doesn't have to be full bots and you just need to play a few games to get through them
I certainly would be happy to just face low tier opponents right now
Pretty much the reason I stopped ground rb right around 4.0-5.0, highest density of questionably balanced premiums and top tier players doing events, or just seal clubbing
yeah its just squads of KV-1C's and T34-57(1943) everywhere its not even fun anymore
That German KV1 is ridiculous. Only thing I legitimately hate in the game.
That br bracket is cancer, i know. But at least if u can (and u obviously can) go up from that br, u wont see them.
But its a issue if u like that low of a br. Personally being a skilled 8.7-9.7 player, i wouldnt go back to 4.0 or lower cz tanks there arent my favourite. Even if i have the kv1b.
The problem is people, (i mean pure wheraboos), that just have fun ruining other's fun like a psychopath
same
@Battery Boi
At least u could've stayed and gotten better over time. Back when i started even if u gave me pantherA at 2.0 i'ld still do shit
If u can, come back. If u dont like a br, its no problem. U can move to the next one. Most of the frustration that i see is from skill issues, and bad luck. U cant do anything about luck, but u can about ur skill
Before, i used to be scared about the object 279. Now i dont care
Spooskstoon: complains about smurffing.
Also Spoosktoon: seal clubs in the background footage
Hey, he has to get visual footage not just words for the content
As much I like his channel, even he gives into broken meta R3, Falcon, etc. I never got to play the R3 when it slaps back in 3.3.
He seal clubs from time to time everyone does it because it just happens the vehicles players want to play are at that BR. Where he states that there is no skill base matchmaking to divide skilled frome none skilled players. The MM would take horrendously long as it already is. I find that WT is a game you play for a bit and stop after the 5th/10th match. Sometimes even earlier if you pull an amazing game.
@@stevenstovall4491 It's 4.7 now. :/
He represents the issue with particular vehicles.
If you watched the video you’d know your comment makes no sense
@@DustDevilJones jokes, memes, you know them?
2:55 I also feel like there should be some sort of bot only mode (ie, you against a lot of bots or you, a team of bots, against bots) mostly for testing out vehicles in actual combat or just messing around.
Ground assault is basically that. One of my friends spaded his squadron BMP exclusively playing that mode.
You could set up a custom match. I do this occasionally when I have a bad match and I just want to feel invincible in my IS-3. The bots AI is garbage tho, on port Novo the bots will just drive into out of bounds and kill themselves on the North Spawn.
@@danilobarcelos7307 Honestly ground assault is a saving grace for all vehicles that start with a shit shell like the PT 76
@@theBrid-gv8je I grinded my PT-76 in realistic battles. It was a pain, but i'm used to pain, and it's faster than Arcade Assault.
@@robertharris6092 sacrifice your team mates
Yes, thank you so much for this video!
I could never get into tanks because every time I tried to learn how to play the game, I'd run into some dude that has 10K+ matches in a PZ.2 lineup or some other clubbing tank like the German KV1.
The annoying part is people always say "Oh, just because someone's level 100 and killed you, it doesn't matter", absolute bullshit, a level 100 player probably has better crew skills, better map knowledge, and better knowledge of where to shoot, which make a huge difference.
I did manage to get up to the Shermans, but I just stopped playing tanks all together because around 90% of my deaths would be from some lvl 100 player sniping me across the map because I never really got the chance to learn the maps properly.
Lead to me just sticking to Aircraft / Naval with WT.
This is a huge issue with maps, as you rise up the battle ratings, you encounter new maps you've never seen before, so you dont know anywhere to sit or any callouts for squad mates, nor do you understand the topography from the map on the spawn screen.
You spawn in and have to waste your first tank getting a little bit familiar with the layout of the map while experienced players shit on you.
I have said this since the first day I played Warthunder, "They need to let you choose your maps so you can learn them and get good knowledge of where people sit.
I know this is a year ago now, but I have a suggestion for you if you still have this issue;
Try making a custom battle with or without bots (You can find them in one of the dropdown menus on the top left of the screen) I have used it myself to either fuck around with the boys or just learn the maps, it's a useful and underrated tool
Playing US ground was the problem lmao
Well put for sure - smurfing is 100% an issue, i agree a lot of players arent doing it intentionally to be malicious, low tier is just more fun for a lot of them. They need to match low level players together and not allow level 30s+ for example, with people under 30.
Cough KV-1 full of bushes, german t34, b1bis ter would like to say a word
And then theres the 12lvl guys playing top tier with fking premiums and single spawn quitting
I have 400 hours and am still lvl 24 I just suck but still have Tier V tanks
Low tier is more fun for them precisely because they're stomping so it is intentional. Its exacerbated by Gaijins constant BR changes in low to mid tier that generally result in further compression making nations that benefit from this ^cough^ "Germany suffers" ^cough^ even more attractive to play at those lower BR ranges than they'd otherwise be. Tried a Jagdpanzer IV lately? Its monstrous.
Man I love smurfing, can't deny it.
Me, an intellectual: *bringing T-34-85 and Hellcat into 8.3 and doing better in them than my actual 8.0 lineup*
Edit: 8.3 vid is up boys lets goo.
Not exactly how I wanted it but hey thats video editing for ya.
Chinese Player?
Me who's killed a T-90 with a M18
Nah fam bring that Asu 57 put that NVG to work
is it sad that i got 2 kills at 8.0 in my M22 against a Object 906 and a BMP2? ik they are lightly armored but still its disappointing they missed me
I use the br 1.0 15 cm sig in 4.3
I especially feel bad for the new players when I see a Flak pz.38 with 16 kills. I'm pretty sure some people quit War Thunder because of that single game.
The 20mm Germans are the worst seal clubers out there
@@AceDan-gc9po PzIIs are the most horrible offenders. When I jump into my DAK I can easily get 10 kills withoit even trying.
...this thing was overpowered years ago and it yet didn't get nerfed.
At first people complained about russian bias...but the real one is german bias.
But yes, germany suffers each day.
It suffers so much I've seen people asking for Leopard I to go down even more because they have to face "annoying" ZSU-57-2 - lmao.
@@Vasili350 go grind France and you’ll see that leopard 1 is good
@@Vasili350 honestly I hate the Germans far more than the Russians
1:57 and were completely covered in Bushes. All my friends stopped playing before reaching tier 2 because of that.
They also need to separate plane/ground/naval player level if they ever do something like this.
I was thinking a ranked system is actually possible in WT with both skill and BR taken into account for MM. But the games need to be smaller in size
Ahh the good old 'peak round corner and see 6 sweaty palmed, tryhard KV 1 Cs watching the very pixel of the corner'
Everyone besides the japanese seems to have some well armored easy play no brain vehicle for lowtier and those are being abused with aced crews and more vegetation than the whole map,
@@shadowraven3253 Yeah I started with and main Japan and have been using tier 3 for the event. I've been killed by a KV1-C what feels like more than any other vehicle during this event. I don't even try to fight them anymore. Just scout, track if I can, then dip lol
@@Chad_Thundernuts you should learn the weakspots for them, get back at them for being overconfident shitheads, The KV-1C slaps but you can't angle the turret that well so you should try and exploit that if you're using gear like the Chi-To at Tier III.
Main reason why 4.7 is my favorite British lineup. 17 pounders fuck over KV1C wehraboos,.
@@brettchadwick4124 Nah I'm using the M24, and playing with 250-350 ping. It's just not worth it for me to try and fight them. I lose 9/10 times, even going for weak spots.
Grinding China was something that made smurfing even more of a people, as new players had a tree with very good vehicles.
Me and my squadron basically ruled the map when we were starting out in it.
That was the opposite for me although i stopped playing war thunder but i'll be getting back to play with my WoT clan i was grinding the italian tree and it was torture
UNDERPOWERED SLOW NOT ARMORED and i don't know how to shoot the fucking gun plus i don't know the good positions so it was basically shoot and hope
@@italiancountryball865 God, i am so glad I spent all my money in WoT over warthunder, I have had far more fun in there over the years.
@@spamuraigranatabru1149 kinda same only thing i bought was the lowe but still love WoT more then war thunder
Another idea: make top tier not cancer so that people who want to have fun would actually be attracted to that kind of game mode.
i'm level 100. i still think tier 3 tanks are the most fun, the matches are always more entertaining and i dont mind unlocking top tier stuff with Tier 3 matches, cuz i'd rather have fun rather than play something i hate
This.
Same here as well. I generally play between 3.7 and 6.7. Top tier sucks because the battle is won or lost in the first 2 minutes of the game and everyone leaves after they die once.
@@whyismynametaken123 this is exactly why I won't go above 7.0 on any their.
Fair enough, I haven't reached top tier yet as I'm at like 6.3, but I prefer 3.7 myself
This is especially commonplace in Air AB. Where you got max level 4-player squads with over 30k matches each, using full stacks of planes with 8 or more respawns.
Same people usually either wiping ground strike games in 2 minutes or spawncamping bombers with BnZ planes.
Drives people off of the game extremely easily, as I too have had enough of the J22 & P-47 meta.
Very pretty profile pic!
@@Drakey_Fenix Oh thank you.
The smurfing in air realistic is insane right now. In 2 hours of play time I received a grand total of ~1000 rp, mainly gained from the free rp gained from taking off.
With 80 hours in game, I just received my first tier 3 today
I've been playing War Thunder for 7 years now, in many different accounts (lost all except for one) and the more I play it I have the impression that the community itself destroys the game more than Gaijin. For all these years most times I thought about quitting War Thunder were caused by things such as:
-Spawn killing/spawn camping
-Smurfing
-Revenge killing
-Being toxic overall
You are 100% correct I've been playing for a couple years now and theres nothing that kills my will to grind more than Toxic players, I can put up with upteirs that completely screw over my lineup but something I can't compensate for is that one asshole who pulls out his G.91 R/4 (or other good ground attack aircraft) and proceeds to kill me every time I respawn because I knocked out his precious premium tank
Annd when I got to make thread on steam. They shut me down on spawn killing and camping calling me crying and bitching. Yeeep. That's another reason I quit.
yep and I played warthunder for 2 years and havent gotton top tier because thier is always that one person in your team who acts like a dic because he was first to die in his premium.
Nothing like rolling around in a Matilda, somehow flank some random german vehicle, then 15 to 25 seconds after the kill watching some german fighter plane bee-line for you.
@@redacted5736 Between 2017-2018 I completely stopped playing online matches in War Thunder because I was full of toxic players screwing my games. I've only been playing War Thunder for real when I started playing it and just more recently. Community has let me down so much that I'm still mid-tier after all these years. Sure it may sound like some kind of lie to cover up I'm a bad player and that may be true because I don't spawn kill and ruin other's games just for grinding. I've lost the count of how many times I pointed out players toxic behaviours and they just said something like "oh get good" or "you're just bad".
Easy to complain about Gaijin and it's "broken mechanics" while your enemy team figured out how to stop your spawn killing
If Gaijin want to fix smurfing then they need to fix the economy too. I play allot of 4.0 arcade simply because high tier just isn't financially stable and playing low tier is the only viable way for a f2p player like me to grind silver w/out exploiting bugs.
I have a friend who is still semi-new to the game. We can't do realistic battles that often since he just cannot afford to do them, especially since he's on the lower end of "mediocre" so he is essentially losing a crap ton of silver each match. So we stick to the 4.0 flying where it's the sweet spot to have fun and make decent cash.
@@Karter_Blackpaw really new players are coming in? I always end up playing mostly the same guys every few maps. It's to a point I remember games against people few days ago.
Play between 4.7 to 7.7
@@Karter_Blackpaw 4.3 air is the sweet spot, I agree!
weirdly enough i've reached 9.3 ground without premium (i've only bought prem when i was at 3.0-5.0). i just bought the kpz 70 last week and now i almost have made enough to buy the leopard 2k and give it a crew
@@dav6758 I can't wait till I get the MBT-70. It looks like so much fun.
While I agree with most of the points you make, you've omitted one important reason to play low tier - SL. Yeah, the gains aren't that great, but with negligible repair costs and pretty much guaranteed at least 5 kills a match, 2.0-5.0 is a great way to make loads of money, especially if you have the full lineups.
You mean my only way to make money stuck at 7.3-8.3? (Cries in unstsblized heavies vs stabilized apfsds gun runners)
@@kirkus4400 dont worry man, your not alone on that one. same br, and i go to 4.0 to regain my losses.
U dont need a line up when u got the m4a3 105 XD
@@avregecenturion5719 Yeah, I personally take the Brummbar at 5.3 to make SL.
@@kirkus4400 if im in a higher br where the tanks in the specific tree that im playing aren't as dominant, like britain for example, ill take a lower tier premium prop with a decent payload and make back my losses and recoupe my brain cells. Especially if you dont have a premium account, a good premium vehicle in your tree will help tremendiously.
I agree ! I started playing war thunder 2 months ago. My first days are really depressing. There are always 3 or 4 lvl 80-100 players in the game . They started wiping out inexperience players from blind spots and sometimes so far from the point our crew can't even see. The main problem is crew skills where we really struggle to keep up against . Idk why people do this even in arcade mode . They just want to bully newbies at Tier 1 2.
As a new player I can confirm that this is true.
Match 1: 100 score, 0 kills, 0 hits
Match 2: 70 score, 0 kills, 0 hits
This is my 2 matches for data
Yeah buddy,
Top tier isn't great..The repair cost is WAY too high, and multiplying that there's too much shit that can kill you easily.
I just enjoy WW2 content for the simplicity of it all and I'm just a ww2 fan; so I do more 5.3 than I do 10.0. I would enjoy the M60 more, But instead of facing T-54's; I'm constantly going up against T-55AM1's.
Both the T-54 and the M-60 would do great with a .3 change lower in BR.
I don't mean to smerf - and if I could be placed in matches with folks at my similar level - I wouldn't give a load.
I make more at 8.3 ground RB than any other BR
Repair cost way too high? Bro, my Caernaveron is more expensive to repair than any of your top tier MBTs.
@@friedyzostas9998 That doesn't make TexasWarbird's tanks any less expensive. Don't argue with him, its on Gaijin.
The 55AM should rather get the .3 higher rating. The other two fit in eith most tanks they face/play with but the AM is straight up a better A but for real money.
I don’t think he’s referring to people that play like 4.0+ When I think of seal clubbing it’s some level 100 with 3000 hours that only plays like 2.3 with a full lineup of pumas or something.
Literally me when I see a guy with a full set of 3D gun decorations at a 1.3 match
Also, the problem with using levels to match up players is a little problematic.
For example, I mainly play aviation and have grinded out a majority of rank 4 for all nations except Italy however I rarely play ground despite my interest in the vehicles because of this exact issue
I’m currently level 80 with 75+ of those levels being achieved through aviation. So it would be putting an aviation main with little to no skill with ground against pros
i also was an aviation transplant and somebody suggested tying it to crew levels which would account for such an event.
@@jacobdewey2053 or separate the levels so I would be maybe “level 4, ground. 77 for aviation and 2 for naval”
@@irinashidou9524 That idea would be great with one small problem, that being the ground airflights, do you count them as air or plane exp? They aren't ground obviously but you aren't really playing air there like you do in air realistic. You play differently with either sticking to the ground on lower tiers for friendly cover or high so that you can evade AA. When was the last time that you really used AA in air realistic besides the base AA?
Just add separate levels for different vehicle types
@@shadowraven3253 air in ground battles would contribute to ground experience. It's experience playing a ground based game mode.
I feel like it might be fun to occasionally come across a enemy tank ace, but once your pocket drains from repairs that’s when you start to get angry
Usually the "Aces" are just "asses" using ulq and modded audio on their paycheck rig with only the most elite specific vehicles and almost always in a squad to fluff their stats. A lot of them do cheat literally.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 why cheat when u can make a 1.3 German loud out with literally seven 20mm with 64mm pen vehicles and the he which can top down anything
@@nmspy You're asking why egotistical plastics would want a meta goomer cheese advantage over players that step all over them playing normally... think about it.
They get made fun of for reserve seal clubbing to get stats, and it doesn't earn, so they got to show their sUpEriOriTy at tier 3 plus no-life making the events even more miserable slapping people who went through the effort of tactics through over 9000 bushes at 2K range over a hill. This is often the annoying brigade on the forums saying pLaY AA or SpAwN pLaNe, or iF iT iS sO gOoD dO x ToO, or GiT gOoD on a non skill issue all to divert attention away from their crutches.
“Meta goomer cheese advantage” …
2 days ago I played my first game back after 1 month (at 5.3) and barely 1 minute into the game I died to a lvl 100 with probably 1000s of ours in the game. Usually I would say in my head "died to a lvl 100 addict again lol" but i decided not to care. After that, I came back in my Panther, killed the guy and killed 5 more others, carried my team and almost won the game. And I'm only lvl 30.
Damn!
I’m only level 25ish and just started grinding France only to be met with a squad of 4 rank 100s with Swedish tanks. They literally each got 7 kills. Hardly anyone in my team could really do anything about them….
I stay in the 3.3 to 5.7 bracket most of the time because for the most part its balanced, great/terrible matches in rotation but anything 6.7 or higher just feels like sniper fights where you get shot across map with no idea where you're getting shot from.
Sorry for necroposting but
Hahaha it's so funny to play on Wiese and against him l! I like sitting in bushes and launch rockets across the map into the mbts that just spawned! This game is really balanced
God I really hate top tier versions of ground maps they are needlessly large i cant even get to the OBJ most of the time because the enemy just sets up shop near hills that let them camp our spawn on top of thay I have to worry about CAS because most people dont like to play AA
the brs i like to play are low level because i dont have to fork out 4278543856394 SL whenever i die
yep that is one of the bigest problem i think but not only in ground rb but in air rb as well
*Laughs in 40 million SL*
thats my problem, in 8.0 to 10, even wining a game i end lossing 10k sl or so, and theres a limited amout of games i can tank such balance
@@loumorningstar7709 I'm still pissed that the M24 is no longer Tier 3 and I cannot use the American BR 3.7 line to farm wagers. I bet you are too. In addition, I don't see GE wagers on the reward reels anymore.
The thing Navyfield did was the modes you could enter were tied to your crew levels
But that would require developing new game modes.
blast from the past, mentioning Navyfield like that lol.
Though arguably once you were past light cruisers/heavy cruisers on the tech tree you were immediatelly dumped into a mode where anyone, including people with top battleships that had bought multiple sailor and premium packages and had vastly more knowledge of the game than you would stomp you for weeks on end until you either got good at manual aim and progressed enough in a techtree or dropped the game alltogether.
And I'm trying to avoid the store factor and those packages I mentioned; somewhat p2w mtx at a time you only saw those in MMORPGs.
Oh and yes there were high level players starting new lines or leveling crew with premium boosts all the way down there with the noobies, smurfing was definitelly a thing it was just kept in check better than in WT.
@@krixtorei yeah I played navy field while in high school talk about a blast from the past. Good times my how far we’ve come
I got suspicious over this issue when I'd run fights at 3 BR and I'd go from getting 5 kills and 1 death, to getting 4 deaths and not grazing another person one after another.
While I accept I'm probably mediocre at the game, the lack of consistency really raised a red flag to me.
Tbh I got to rank 4.3 and ducked out of the game.
It was a decent amount of investment, the game is a lot of fun when balanced.
But as mentioned in the video, there are people with the most obscure premiums and they're still able to stomp the fuck out of you.
I agree to a point - but the solution could be a combination of approaches rather than just one. E.g. new player being grouped together for the first X number of battles, while bots are added to fill in the space only when needed. Alternatively - there could be an opt-out option for those who simply don't enjoy fighting bots, which comes with higher wait times (or veteran players). Conversely, more experienced players could opt to be put in games with newer players, but be restricted to the number of vehicles they could use, the rewards they get, etc. As a side note - I don't believe that restricting event tasks to tier 3 vehicles and above was a good idea. Some of the most iconic (and fun) tanks are now tier 2, which means they are never, ever used if you want to grind the tasks.
After I played for 1000 hours i made my biggest achievement today. Deinstalling the game.
Over the last 2 months I made alot of breaks from the game due to mental breakdowns.
Now I have finaly been able to draw a line.
Same here, I played for about 4-5 months and uninstalled. I had already gotten to top tier, done pretty well in top tier (top tier players are literally worse than 5.0 players in terms of air RB). I hit the 1,000 hour mark and I uninstalled.
I’m proud of you dude
When you mentioned all the obscure low tier premiums, I thought that might be a good future video topic. Some of those vehicles are now multi hundred dollar pieces, and it seems like there should be some system to keep them from being so exclusive.
The wheeled 75mm Pak gun Puma. That thing is mental.
I have a friend who had a bad experience in their first game and now won’t play it
same
good. this game deserves to rot
lol that's just idiotic
@@m1a1abrams3 if you dont like the game, then dont come here. Also, this comes from a person with a M1a1 pfp and a Channel descripton of "Jake pauler dab on them haters", i would just shut up if i were you, honestly.
@@m1a1abrams3 I get where you're coming from, but I'd say Gaijin deserves to rot more than anything, while the game should achieve its true potential in the hands of competent developers.
I don’t mind smurfs because I can easily check their profiles and I just follow them the rest of the match as they know the best spots. I got killed many times by them but I get equal amounts if not more by following them and remembering their spots and strategies.
I think the biggest failure is introducing new players via tanks. Progression for tanks is slow and expensive, but I've managed to introduce 3 friends to warthunder this year by starting with planes, which is much more new player friendly as planes take less research and are generally cheaper. Now 2 of my friends are either researching their first jet or able to research their first jet. And the fun thing is if I get them to start playing tanks they now have cas planes leveled meaning they can try new things and not get as hindered as if they had started tanks or boats
3:15 Skill based Matchmaking is annoying because it seems like you stomp in one match and get stomped the next.
*Jokes on you, that already how it is*
Yep but Spookston have 35.09% win ratio in arcade and only 52.25% in realistic, also his efficiency in realistic is nice but not the best, that is why he is not experiencing this crapy teams/matchmaking that system is providing me so i am forced to do half of the killing in my not so small team...
I cant help that the crusader 2 is one of my favorite vehicles to play.
It`s so bloody good
It's not about what you play, it's about how you play it. It's fine to dick about and have fun in your fave low-tier vehicles, it's the people who feel the need to dominate the whole match who ruin it for everyone.
I prefer Crusader III, but yeah. It's just too damn good.
I like to play the Panzer 4 f2, that is my favorite German tank, that and the premium Panzer 4 with the hand crank turret, first premium I ever bought
@@mixderman2461 yeah crusader 3 with it's 6 pounder is a joy to play. But it's far less tanky at it's br.
I stick to lower tiers, not because I want to smurf new players, but because I don't want to deal with the grind. Getting tracked without parts or set on fire with no extinguisher is not fun.
It takes 2 decent games to unlock them bro...
@@SeRgA123456789 thats the issue. It takes two decwnt games. But maybe im just bad, or if you dont have parts/fpe the game puts you against literal gods which you cant do anything against.
@@SeRgA123456789 yeah sure till 4.0 maybe.
@@scheisseaufpasswort After, just a few more lol
@@SeRgA123456789 but it still takes time. And if you don't have premium, it takes way more than just 2 matches. The problem is that id you play new tanks without parts nor fpe, you get "smurfed". It is an infinite loop of smurfing
It honestly feels like new players can grind faster by playing arcade because there are less high level players there
Tbh the opposite problem to this is new players buying top tier premiums. Same problem, different situation
"Bring only one tank"
Thank you for this advice, I feel so scummy whenever I go to lower tiers
Oh no now I have to get 12 kills with only one m4a4 whatever shall I do? Seriously I play most of my games as a one spawn a this point either because I've stomped the enemy team into oblivion and the game is virtually won or I get killed by some bullshit or die late in the game where the enemy has overrun my spawn.
i think what he means is dont bring a low tier line up that will completely dominate agame. however this is hard to do because while you might do this, it just leave the enemy team that might do the same thing and you wont be able to help you team.
@@almostded2818 die late game when enemy gets in your spawn, camp harder kid
i love playing my t28E (that is now womewhat 2.0 WTF) and i don't need more to get 10-12 kills per game (i play it at 3.0-3.7). Some tanks are just way too powerful to be at lower tier.
I would say bring one ground base tank and a SPAA.
You can't even go by the players level. Some of us (myself included) are only the level we are by all but literally stumbling into it. Cause no matter how bad we are at video games, you still get some lvl exp. Matchmaking should be based around k/d and w/l ratios
Imagine how boring would it be if game was made to adjust everyones k/d to 1
Then purposely get killed/try to lose to resume seal clubbing?
THISSSSSS
@@Boz1211111 i mean.. that IS how it is now. 2 people have fun in the entire tier 3 lobby's.. the top player on each side.. everyone else in my games and i mean everyone else struggles to get a positive KD.. This game NEEDS SBMM
@@codyh123ful because you are bad, dont punish good players because they are good.
"Low tier best tier"
"Noooo you can't play low tier your too high level"
This latest event made me realized grinding SL in my 5.7 German lineup in arcade is insane. I even had a nuke one match, but sadly couldn't use it due to the enemy's points depleting to zero.
As a new player, the only issue with smurfing that i'm bothered by is crew skills, and maybe modifications to a lesser degree. The difference in skill is just an immersive element - it was common for hastily trained troops to face battle-hardened veterans and aces.
What do little blue people have to do with war thunder?
Ahhh yes a good ole seal-clubbing session
😋
Yes honey
That is my main issue with the game. I'm pretty new to the game and I want to enjoy PvP. But dying to an enemy and finding out it was a level 100 player is very demoralizing.
Have that happen in almost every game, I lose hope in trying to play PvP.
I mainly stick to the PvE modes or bot games now. But those give so little (or no) rewards that I will never make it anywhere.
My main recommendation would be to find a squad to play with, there are a few discords and places to people to find playmates as well and hey even when one can't do anything being near someone and sometimes just help repair cover for them and stuff can be rewarding
Just like masterbaker said, i have 1200+ hours in the game and maybe only 5 of them are truly solo games, let me give you a word of advice, the harder you try to worse the game gets, give into the stupidity, find something you think is dumb and run with it, me and my buddies go into top tier games with vehicles that shouldn't work and somehow we slap sweaty try hard cheeks on a regular basis, don't take the game seriously, it'll destroy you
My problem with this being restricted to levels is that players that play every once in a while (like myself) would gradually level up despite the skill level not entirely up to par as you'd expect from someone on the same level who plays constantly.
so true
im level 20 and i suck
Me : time to try to play war thunder
Guy that starts spawncamping for the other side of the map : funny words magic man
"You should only bring your favourite tank instead of a full Line up"
Me: You severely underestimate my stupidness
The thing is, I enjoy playing the older panzers because they're really cool
The low brs were the only fun ones when I played
I grinded till 8.7 br in germany
I quited because its too hard
With premium or not
So rn im sitting always on 4.0-6.0br
I only take 1 tank that i want to play and a good duo plane
Lets say a tiger 1H and bf109 g6
I love the duo and play it
And tbh i am kindoff a sweaty player
But now when i see it whats the point pf sweating when the game is garbage
Since i have breakdowns from the game i take my 15cm slG and go to top tier to make other people mad when i kill them
Or i stay at low brs and just try to have fun without sweating
1:00 that guy trying to blow up the missile launcher but it empty
1. Going into lower tier battles to grind SLs you need to play at higher tiers is not smurfing. It's bad game design that centers around grinding and microtransactions rather than gameplay.
Agree with all the problems, but you're conflating smurfing and sealclubbing. The only reason to smurf in war thunder, ie to create a new account, is because if you do the referral link you can get 2500 gold on the 'primary' account you use to refer. Sealclubbing is very real, I see plenty of squadrons in beginner rank matches. I stick to BR 5-ish for airplanes, because WW2 is why I signed up, and BR 4-5-ish for tanks, same reason. Zero interest in the made up fuckery that is recent-modern BR ranges. As a result, because I do well, I end up seal clubbing, but since they don't do skill based matchmaking, nothing to be done. I either play BRs I dislike intensely, or I seal club.
Frankly at this point given Gaijin's shit handling of War Thunder, I'm happy to drive away new players. The sooner this shitpile dies, the better. Maybe then someone will come along and do a better job of it with an opening in the market.
thank you god so many people in the comments using smurfing incorrectly.
Can someone explain to me how does the referral link thing works?
@@uhh741 I'm not god, but you're welcome friend.
@@Ramzi1944 Every so often war thunder will pop up a message saying 'refer a friend, have them use this link'. Punch in the link, it takes you to a war thunder account creation page, create an account with a valid email (it doesn't HAVE to be valid, but if you use an invalid one you can never change it and if your account gets hacked, good luck with that).
When the referred account gets to certain progress, the referrer gets golden eagles. 500 gold for when the friend/smurf reaches level 3 in any vehicle line in one nation, and 2000 more gold at level 5. Last time I did it, took about 3 weeks, doing a couple hours a day on the smurf.
So I take it your a level 100 player then ? But why is it so important for you to drive away new players, I honestly thought that the game was meant to attract new players not drive them away.
Myself I have been playing for a while the only reason my level is in the 60's is because of people like you, there is no way I'm gona end up in high tier, I point blank refuse to go any higher than tier 8 because it doesn't interest me. But in all fairness I guess that's what most of the level 100 players are good at driving people away from a game they hope to have fun in but you guys stop all that from happening, thus is just my option and I think it's an unfair advantage over low level players.
Oh and by the way yes I have had to stick my hand in my pocket to try and you guys but due to lack of experience I don't honestly see me going any higher until you lot ( in general ) no specific naming not that I actually know any but have seen plenty of them in low tier shoulder bugger off back to there respective levels, rant over.
Well idk - when I take low tier stuff, I also change my playstyle to super chill with no much attention.
No need to do pixel hunting with thermal sight (if your tank have one ofc) against camper who is 2km away, no need for thinking about not losing your tank because repair cost is huge, armor that actually can work, planes are not as cancer because they don't have jet engines + atgms and it's actually possible to kill without AA.
And with AA, you can get like 3-4 kills in less than a minute, since it's so easy to take down those planes (ofc if there is enough planes in the sky).
You don't need to actually try your best at low tier and you can play comfortably.
1:34 Starting a new tech tree is also a thing.
*Laughs in High Tier Wallet Warrior*
It’s always hilarious seeing grown ass men with 100s of days of playtime, just sitting there and playing some busted vehicle at 1.0-2.0
It’s genuinely concerning that people actually find solace in playing like that.
most annoying is that now playing warthunder is like going to work: you have to complete all the tasks (summer landing, battle pass) and no time for fun low tier battles.
i combat smurfing by being shit at the game. Even on the verge of researching the bloody T-72 i still play awfully.
You're being shitty at [whatever BR your T-72 is] because you aren't used to that playing style. I bet that you'd go and slap fricking hard at some 3.0 or something like that. It's about playing style.
@@mixderman2461 the higher the br the more you passive you have to play in my experience. At lower tiers it's important to spot ppl before they spot me but I can always use my armour as a fall back. But when I play my 7.3 line up I feel like I am playing hide and seek, and if I don't find someone before they find me I am probably gonna die to a HEATFS or Sabot shot.
T14 when it sees a KV I C or KV-1B: *Anti-Smurf engaged*
Rest assured; When I am against the German or Finnish KV-1 when I'm playing rank II, it's gonna get my full attention, and get the satisfaction of killing it, and perhaps get a fanmail from them, to top it off.
The problem with the kv1B is the fact that it has very good armor in the front, but a really bad cannon for 4.0. Only 86mm of pen.
The armor
About the armor I can said that if the m10 player aim for the lower front plate, its a oneshot. From the side, even a m24 can oneshot you if he aim in the lower plate.
The cannon
The cannon can pen only 86mm, but the shells have the capacity to pen even with high angles, and the explosiv is enough to guarantee one shot one kill.
The problem is that a 4.0 there are many inexperienced palyers who don't know that your kv1B-E is not a simple kv1, so they shot in the turret or in the pilot's optics, and many times they don't have a good aim so the shot hits sideways, where there is the 20mm plate over 80mm armor. But you cannot move this tank in 4.3 or 4.7 because against 5.3 or 5.7 you can pen absolutley nothing. Imagine pen 86mm against tigers, panthers, is1 or jumbos. Already against shermans firefly and Churchill mk3 you have no possibility to pen them at the distance. In 4.0/3.0 there are a lot of good cannons that players are unable to use them. Look the m10. It's one of the most common vehicles in 3.0/4.0.
@Sonny ? XD
while i think the implied bot system you suggested would help, i feel that a system that should match players within 10-20 player levels of the player in question as well as the BR of their tank, this way it keeps things consistent in terms of skill bracket mid game, as well as preventing reserve tier bullying
to fix smurfing they should put all players in the match with a similar total hours played, for example 1k hours players with other 1-2k hours players, 300 hours with 200-400 hours and so on
It would have no sense. I played 3 different trees and i have max 5.7. Some peoplr with my same amount of hours played are at 8.0 or 9.0 woth one tree. How could we play together ? No way.
The game has so many meta changes, that its hard for me to say that someone is purely smurfing. Its plausible that a player doesnt want to play with stabilizers. Or NVDs. Or HEAT/APFSDS.
Very good video. I just recently started playing the game and after losing match after match, tank after tank to Level 100s camping the best sightlines while I was a literal level 1 I got really close to quitting. Luckily I pulled through and unlocked the Marder 1A1 the other day, which is my favourite tank in the game so far and I'm looking forward to what top tier holds in store for me.
If you started playing Germany as your first nation, you are literally part of the problem.
@@anthonyberger810 how so? Is one nation really barred for all new players? I play Germany, USSR, USA and Sweden all at the same time and all have their advantages and disadvantages in my experience.
PS: Like, literally, how am I part of the smurfing problem (the one mentioned in the video) because I just started playing the game?
@@arnowinchester591 Germany has horrendously underBRed vehicles and is a smurf nation from start to finish. At least USA and USSR have actual drawbacks to their vehicles. The Panther D at 5.3 has absolutely no weaknesses. It’s armor is in practice unpennable, it’s mobility is excellent, it’s gun is DISGUSTINGLY GOOD, when used as a sniper, it is practically unbeatable. The literal only thing that balances it out is the fact that 8/10 German players have -10 IQ. It’s the 2/10 that have coordinated 4 man squads and aren’t bots that are absolutely terrifying. A full team of competent German players simply cannot be defeated by even equally competent USA/USSR teams due to how disgustingly underBRed the entire German tech tree is.
@@anthonyberger810 if you think the long 75 at 5.3 is under-BR'd, check out the Pz. IV/70 A, a whole BR lower, with the best gun to snipe with at that BR.
It's funny though, on the one hand you have German players going like "Tiger too weak, move it to 4.3" on the other you have players like "Tiger too stronk, move to 10.0"
I went back to some lower tiers recently after unlocking my first 9.0 tank I was getting stomped into bankruptcy even with a decent 8.0-8/8.7 line up. But I wouldn't say I was smurfing I was researching my way higher for those other nations and trying to work out if I wanted to go higher with them or not. Any France players reckon I should get into that line up?
France is bankruptcy at 7-7.7 if you don't win all your games (assuming you also don't go 0-0-0-0 on all your tanks.) UK is also this way for 7.3-10.
3:38 Nice of him to turn so you could kill him.
Problem is worse now. Every low tier game has a level 100 abusing that map in the corner playing like a baby and then you have the massive amounts of CAS abusers that also happen to be level 100. Really sucks trying to get friends into the game when bombs are getting dropped on them in spawn and they die from max level players hiding in the most annoying spots.
I never really considered how bringing my entire lineup might perpetuate this. I guess I have just always assumed the same was being done to me so I might as well have a full lineup no matter the BR. Fortunately I dont go down THAT low, as I prefer the cold war tanks and more of a wargame red dragon kind of warthunder. Excellent video as always, sadly I haven't booted the game up in about 6 months and likely will never do so again. Thank you for the content, it helps keep me up to date if anything ever improves.
Lower tiers are more fun, I don’t know what to say. Also, it is way easier to grind events at lower tiers. I don’t know what the point of this video is. What do you want Gaijin to do about this? Not let people play the ranks below the one they have unlocked? There is no solution to this problem that wouldn’t be outrageous.
I must admit, that I simply enjoy squeezy boy and Stuka gameplay from time to time. And I am grinded through whole USSR tech tree. And I must say, I have most fun in mid tier. Because armor simply means something. Top tier is simply boring as hell. Too small maps. I would really enjoy big maps, but I think they would have to change the game modes as well. Maybe protect airfield and arty positions could be one?? AA positions could be a side objective to affect air control by even ground forces. Something like that.
Yeah, the problem with high tier gameplay is simply that Gaijin never designed the game with it in mind. They set the cutoff for vehicles so they'd be on the cusp of modern tech so they wouldn't need to redesign the game, then they realized how profitable it would be of they added higher brs. Players were getting bored of what existed, and were begging for modern combat so that's what they gave us.
Only problem I see with match with bots is the inconsistency of the aim of the bots, either they miss the target completely, shoot on the parts where the armor is the thickest or obliterate you from the other side of the map in a 1/10000 shot chance
you should make level categories for example players with under lvl 30 will play with lvls under 30 and so on. That would also make the match queue slightly higher which could in turn make players get actual lineups of tanks and not leave after 1 death
If gaijin was smart they would make a beginner's only game mode for players with 24/48/72hrs played. After that or if they choose sooner, they can play with everyone else. And the likelihood of someone making a new account just to smurf other players is very low.
72 hours probably won't be enough..... That's what I feel... But yeh it's much better than just facing them the first time u click battle.....
@@yashjoshi7853 30 days sounds more resonable.
this is a really good suggestion that meshes well with the whole tech tree system to help prevent smurfing. ill assume youve forwarded this suggestion to them via your CC channels, i hope they listen.
Damn you're right, I didn't even know about the smurfing problem, and technically, participating to it without realizing as I mainly do my daily task around rank III.
However, the "Bring only your favorite tank" rule suits me. Instead of 3 tanks, you only bring one that you enjoy, and your games are faster, it leaves space for the newbies willing to come to the game.
It’s not really a problem since the only thing you can loose is 1 game. Smurfing is a real issue in strictly competitive games. We have worse issues
I'm sorry, but this issue boils down to get good. There are people who complain about good players at literally every tier even top. The best way to fix it is to balance obscure premiums and fight for economy changes. Like one of my friends who recently started playing War Thunder felt somewhat that the game was not fun. Then I taught him how to play. He finally figured everything out and is on his way to a 2kd average and maybe eventually a 3kd. People who can't learn, I'm sorry for saying this, don't belong. It's not elitism. It's just setting a standard.
And this reflects an overall societal value. If you suck at something, it's more than likely you suck. If this was a sport like tennis, at first, you have no idea how to even hit the ball. The people who genuinely wanna play will struggle their way up whilst everyone else will quit. That's just the way it is. And btw, the people who really want to do well in something relish a challenge.
2 years later, and gaijin has done let's see...
*NOTHING!*
Oh shit
I.... I asked for this, thank you
I feel bad since i mostly play lower tier since I prefer WW2 (mostly planes in arcade) but playing the US tech tree you have 4.0 BR fighters in rank 4 where other countries have some rank 1 planes that face these planes. The entire tech tree is seal clubbing if you are experienced in the game (particularly with german or Italian fighters)
Bots in matches would be good giving them a higher br aswell so bot tiger vs early t34. Prevents bots just being annoying and easy kills whilst helping players learn how to deal with higher br tanks for when they face players in them
An early t-34 with short 75 would have an absolute horrid time dealing with a tiger barely enough pen to kill through the side turret
@@hobbobandits1986 but it is a bot tiger which is has bad aim, slow reaction, follows a set path and doesn't do tactical adjustments like angling or wiggling the turret (not really tactical i know) honestly it is an easy kill even for an inexperienced player
@@beep5406 sure if their gun has enough pen but they do not they would have to be side by side to the tiger
@@hobbobandits1986 mate a bot tiger is not hard to beat with an early t34 you dont have to be point blank you just can't point and click nor snipe it but guess what it can't snipe you its a bot and your moving so get 100m odd on its side and shoot it not hard. All i want is the bots to not be pointless targets that are no threat it might aswell take a bit of effort and present a danger to those not even tryinv to be useful.
@@beep5406 ok bud you suggest that have a target that is an ammo waster
My problem is that I accidentally seal club while grinding a new nation without even trying. Which makes me feel bad, as I remember when I was a new player.
>Gaijin doesn't discriminate matchmaking by time played
>Gaijin doesn't discriminate matchmaking by overall player rank
>There is no free option to easily progress through overpacked low tiers
>Don't bring a full line-up
>New Players should play against bots for longer
Okay as a part of what I think is a minority of players who's been playing since 2013 who really haven't give much of a damn to unlock much (until recently) I find myself seal-clubbing easily in most low-tiers, and as someone who doesn't always have the money for a Premium Account or Vehicles I'm progressing at a speed that's comfortable to me to spade the vehicles I want.
So when I hear that new players should play against Bots for longer which range from incredibly imbalanced and pin-point precise while on the move at 1.5km, in Arcade Survival to braindead and unmoving in self-made Custom Battles I'm not exactly hearing what'll teach new players the crucial skills they need to know.
And maybe the onus is on me on this one but I'm not a fan of the idea of veteran players being told to 'not bring a line-up' because you'll be too good for new players, that's like making a rule that Prestige Players can play pistols only, and while sure for some people that's great but I can fluxgate from a 10 kill game with no deaths and a 2 kill game with 3 deaths, so it's not exactly fair to just say bring one tank, not to mention I'm not willing to drive my Tier I/II tank ten minutes into Maginot just to get shot and leave the match to do it again...
I really don't have better solutions which fit within the purview of Gaijin, without changing the economy of research, the accessibility of higher tiers, the price of premiums or the wait times for matches I really don't see a logical fix to what is partially a problem with the grind of War Thunder
I get stomped at 9.0 because I don’t know how to use the tanks up their since I’m used to 6.7 and lower since they are fair to me. But I do find myself at 4.7 and 3.3 with my German line ups and can do very well. I find it fun down their since I like to grind and just enjoy the vehicles. I don’t complain about others doing something similar since I’m rank 80 having fun
I like to use the D-5 Stuka as fighter (favorite plane), sometimes it really can be a seal club as even veterans just aren't expecting what it can do let alone newbies.
My favorite tank is the panzer 3 m, I love playing it despite having a couple sets of 8.0+ to level the playing field I usually turn my hud off like I'm playing Sim against all arcade or realistic players 😂
Smurfs aren't as bad a problem as you think. One of the primary motivations for a smurf is to feel like they are good, when they aren't. They are the failures of higher tiers (at least some of the time). Think about it this way, if you identified a smurf as a noobie and followed them. What would you learn?
Probably bad habits, in the long run. They might have better spots than you, but the way they play overall might be uncompetitive or not meta. This is because they aren't competitive.
I am currently smurfing for a reason you missed. I bought a new plane and after one bad game ran out of Silver money to repair my lineup and had to go for lower tiers just to make some money back. And I decided that instead of downgrading my current lineup, i simply switched to another nation and went from reserves
The only reason I've gone low tier is if I want to fully research a vehicle I blasted past before, or if I'm supporting a new player friend of mine
I think the better term to use to describe this would be one borrowed from World of Tanks:
Seal Clubbing
Smurfing implies you've made a new account to circumvent measures meant to prevent seal clubbing.
The worst example of this I saw was some guy his player card was 1000 kills to 100 deaths in a Stuart and the game I met him in he was constantly berating, mocking, and demeaning towards new players and being the most toxic individual I have ever seen in my 3000 hours of war thunder. All because he wanted his amazing kill death ratio in a rank 1 reserve vehicle
Spookston: Keeps finding bugs and errors to be fixed for fair and fun gaming
Gaijin: I'm gonna pretend i didn't see that
There is no need to create a new account, plenty of lvl100s in low br games, squad'd up, plastered in bushes, with immaculate lineups, steamrolling the games in less than 5 minutes. I've been trying to play this game like four times in the last 5 or 6 years, and I always quit before rank IV because I get so fed up with this problem.