Now what I just don't get and prob never will is ive given people a free handy tip to save people some hassle and money but 3 people so far have chosen to dislike this video. Lol. Ill just never understand it. Haha.
Dont even think about it, people do weird stuff for weird reasons. Thanks for the tip though, i'm currently close to finishing my massive brera 1750 tbi update, and had no real big issues, the belt cover was fine. Got any other tips for a high milage 1750 tbi? 220 000 km...
Mate, it might be a misunderstanding of the purpose of the like and dislike buttons. Disliking the fact that this has happened to an Alfa engine rather than disliking your video content perhaps? Love the content.
Don't take for granted that they dislike the video, mabey some people dislike the fact that the cover has gone bad. Like you would do on Facebook with a sad face or something. So don't lose any sleep over it. 😉
Funnily enough mine on my TBI although not as bad needed replacing too it was picked up on a service. So moral of the story is look after your car via services ect, yet another great video mate keep them comming.
This Is a common issue, in Italy we have many FCA cars with that problem. There was a time in which Fiat choosed a polymer for those plastic bits that was bad engineered and behaved as a thermohardening polymer. Same happens to Fiat 1.4 16v engines airbox, that simply disintegrates and pieces of plastic can be sucked in the intake and into the engine. My Fiat Stilo 6 Speed (1.4 16v) has the airbox changed and thermically insulated to prevent this. If you have a FCA car (Fiat/Alfa/Lancia) from 2005-2012 check the plastic bits and replace if they behave like the plastic cam cover in the video
Hi Neil, thanks for another great video, I'm really enjoying your channel! I've got a Giulietta and have seen your front bumper remove guide... Unfortunately there appears to be no Rear Bumper removal guide (or even rear light cluster removal guide!) anywhere on the internet :( Do you have any plans to possibly make one anytime soon? I'm sure the people of the internet would really appreciate it! Cheers!
Hey good vid, are you planning to do some separate videos on engines and what to look for when maintaining and what how to do stuff on different engines, some pro tips etc.? Thanks...
Seen that in a friends159 before, got a second hand one and used 303 plastic protectant spray and never had issues after that. But was long time ago and the was sold allready
Thanks for the warning. And thanks for your many videos. I will check my covers tomorrow when the daylight is back! Does this TBI also have oil in the spark plug wells?
Neil this happened to my 159 last year. Engine warning light, read codes, both cams out of time. Garage checked and teeth had jumped by 3 teeth. I suspected the crumbly cam cover had fallen into the belt. I was very annoyed with that as I had just had to change the turbo. Found a good second hand cover. I will check this every year.
I wont a 159 with a TBi as well, and I happened to burst one of my coolant hoses, there is no coolant level sensor in the expansion tank, which led to overheating and an expensive repair. Check the hoses anually! Or install some kind of sensor in the tank...
Hi Niel thank you very much for this video. I'm very interested since I have the exact same car and engine. Do you know if this is a wide spread issue? I've had the cambelt changed last year so I wasn't going to give it a check before a few years again but are you telling us there is an easy way to see if this is about to happen? Cheers!
Unfortunately also had this problem. My inlet camshaft was also out of position. But now it turned out that the ring on the camshaft had also shifted. A revised cylinder head has emerged but unfortunately still an error code...
Reckon this happens to the 1.4 multiair? Any tips for a 99k mile one? Got a giulietta recently, had an oil change and some other work done but no other engine maintenance. by me yet.
This is the beauty i cant figure out what it is maybe a asr sensor or earthing or cable problem do you have an opinion please? Communication anomaly on the CAN network to motor control node (NCM) The reason for this fault is that ECU has recived invalid signal from from the senzor the fault is not detected now but it is stored in the memory. Dashboard warning light was active for this fault Thx
Ok this adds up perfectly to the crappy coolant reservoirs and crappy low pressure fuel pump covers on the TBi. No matter of "if" it'll fail, but "when". And all of those seem to be age related, not mileage.
Neil, what’s the part number for the cam belt cover and cost. Also, did that 1750 TBI have oil in the plug recesses on cylinders 3 and 4? Caused by seals also going brittle.
Wow !. That’s a potential nightmare situation !. Do you know any more about this ?, is it just Tbi engines or are they all made of the same plastics ?. Did this engine get really hot to make it go like this, was the belt rubbing on the inside of the cover ?. Sorry for so many questions Neil, but, you’re discovery in this case has little context without a further explanation and, I’m sure, most of your viewers are Alfa owners, so would be extremely grateful of more info. Thanks for the vid and the heads up, think I’ll check mine in the morning before I go anywhere.
Thanks for the info. Have you seen head gasket problems on the later 1750 TBI - the alloy block ones that came on later Giuliettas and 4Cs? Someone said they are prone to head gasket failure but I only heard that from one source.
I would like to know your opinion about this engine, the 1750tbi. Would it be the perfect choice between this and the other engines mounted on the AR 159? I need to choose between the 1.9jtd 16v and the 1750tbi. The 2.4 jtdm I think it's to heavy. Thank you!
Hi! I was wondering just recently if i should buy a 1.75 tbi, the problem i"v heard it"s immposible to find some parts like variators and such for those engines. I have 1.9 jtdm 16v 150cp originally, now modded to 180cp ti and i litteraly chamged everything on it full service, sport suspension double exaust, etc and wondering if it is a good ideea to just let it go and gamble on a 1.75 tbi, what is your opinion ?
That is shocking... but all plastics and paints are now compromised due to recyclability and other eco- friendly nonsense. Covers like that used to snap off mounting holes and brackets etc. but to just crumble to dust and flakes ?
I replaced on my 2.0 jtdm before shits happened. Cover had a large crack but fortunately no consequences. I noticed when I was doing a timing belt service.
Is this engine reliable? I heard the turbo hqve some trouble. I found one with 102.000 km on the clock 11/2012 1.75 tbi ti sedan it retails for 13000 euro, same company sell a sportwagen 1.75 tbi for 8000. Is it worth in that condition 13000 euro? Will i be able to have a good experience not woreing about the engine or gearbox?
Hi! Can you help me please? I have a tbi 2011 and i have a nasty error it hapen random, hill assist, traction controll, etc (assistence systems) deactivate and sometimes the fuel gage show empty even if i have full tank, and goes into limp mode, did you had any experience with this? Thx
To everyone talking about Alfa Romeo being unreliable, you english should look back at British Leyland before talking about reliability. This Is a bad issue but here in Italy, where the service network is specialized (because we have more Fiat/Alfa/Lancia cars around) no one has big problems, almost every issue Is well known and solved in a small trip to the mechanic. Many of the reliability issues with italian cars are a thing because the service network abroad Is not good (not talking about Italia Autos, he Is awesome)
I've come close to buying an Alfa a couple of times in recent years because I love the design and styling - but backed out at the last minute due to all the horror stories about them (rust and reliability issues). I love Neil's vids but the more I watch them the more I'm glad I don't own one.
I had no issues with my Giulietta 1.4 16V with rust or anything. Now I own the Giulietta Quadrifoglio and hope the same for it. So I don't see the point in believing in those rumors. But maybe older Alfa had more problems. So my question for you Neil, are the new Alfa Romeo models more reliable than those before 2010 (rust, engine etc.)?
I've owned five Alfas and run them to high miles, and they are no worse than most cars these days, and better than many. Just get one with a solid service/ maintenance record that hasn't been messed about by a boy racer, then make sure you have somebody like Neil to look after it. Most important is to stay ahead of the maintenance and never ever miss a service or cam belt change.
I have 3 Italian cars now, and have had many others in the past including a 156TS for 13 years. To be very frank, they have been super reliable. But I am an enthusiast and take care of my cars. You realise that this channel is all about working on Italian cars - fixing and maintaining so there is always going to be "issues" ? If you really want to hear interesting stories about failing plastic car parts - just research BMW engines
Alfa Romeo’s are reliable. A lot of cars on these videos are 10 to 15 years old or more. Some times plastic is damaged by using incorrect solvents and fluids. I have had 6 Alfa’s and they have been great. Just make sure you get it serviced as per manual as should be done with all cars.
Oh dear, I've clearly hit a nerve with some Alfa fans. I love the look of 159's but rust is an issue on them. There's a chap on YT based in the UK that was chasing rust repairs on a 2009 / 2010 car.....to the point where the A pillars down to the sills were virtually non existent due to rot. The outside of the car was clean and shiny and looked really tidy but underneath was a very different story indeed. Before anyone says its due to the age of the car...in comparison, my 2009 Octavia vRS is rust & rot free.
All manufacturers are using plastics where a metal piece would do the job. The plastics do not last as long. Yes they don’t corrode but they don’t stand the heat for as long. I think all of us would prefer an alloy metal part to a plastic one.
@@ItaliaAutos Thanks for answering. I understand that you have your own preferences, but I imagine that you worked on some are they really reliable? and are they expensive to service?
I can excuse Alfa lots of things, but this is just cheap nasty specifying at the design stage.. I've got my sons 17 year old Skoda parked outside and all its underbonnet plastics are as good as new. It never happened on my 14 year old Alfa Romeo 164 plastic cam cover either I have to say. Do Fiat cam covers disintegrate as well? Anybody know ?
Also happens to certain German, British & Korean cars, possibly others, as in the last 2 decades manufacturers have been using more "eco friendly" materials that break down more easily for the environment, unfortunately that also means that when cars are 10+ years old & still working, they suffer failures like this, as most cars are only designed to have a 10 year lifespan.
@@maxmoughal5183 not at all. I dont care about this Alfa jokes 😉. But some of then really are crap. Like 2.4 heads on 159, they are cracking like plastic shown here 😂.
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Now what I just don't get and prob never will is ive given people a free handy tip to save people some hassle and money but 3 people so far have chosen to dislike this video. Lol. Ill just never understand it. Haha.
Dont even think about it, people do weird stuff for weird reasons. Thanks for the tip though, i'm currently close to finishing my massive brera 1750 tbi update, and had no real big issues, the belt cover was fine.
Got any other tips for a high milage 1750 tbi? 220 000 km...
@@jonidefer313 good stuff. My problem is I like to please. Lol
Mate, it might be a misunderstanding of the purpose of the like and dislike buttons. Disliking the fact that this has happened to an Alfa engine rather than disliking your video content perhaps? Love the content.
Possible.
Don't take for granted that they dislike the video, mabey some people dislike the fact that the cover has gone bad. Like you would do on Facebook with a sad face or something. So don't lose any sleep over it. 😉
Rusty metal and now crusty plastic, still got to love an Alfa.
Funnily enough mine on my TBI although not as bad needed replacing too it was picked up on a service.
So moral of the story is look after your car via services ect, yet another great video mate keep them comming.
Got a TBi - I'll check
Thanks for the heads up .......
Holy sh🍀t. I'm checking mine in the morning. Thanks for the heads up.
Thnx for the warning, ive Just replaced mine. Because it cracked easily when doing the cambelt it didn't have holes yett,buy very brittle
Had the same problem, but luckily with no additional damage besides the belt cover. I'm hoping that Giulia will not have the similar problem.
This Is a common issue, in Italy we have many FCA cars with that problem. There was a time in which Fiat choosed a polymer for those plastic bits that was bad engineered and behaved as a thermohardening polymer. Same happens to Fiat 1.4 16v engines airbox, that simply disintegrates and pieces of plastic can be sucked in the intake and into the engine. My Fiat Stilo 6 Speed (1.4 16v) has the airbox changed and thermically insulated to prevent this. If you have a FCA car (Fiat/Alfa/Lancia) from 2005-2012 check the plastic bits and replace if they behave like the plastic cam cover in the video
That's really useful information. Do you happen to know if this issue is present with the Alfa Giulietta at all?
@@varmastiko2908 It could affect it as well, I guess cars from 2005 to 2012 could be
Hi Neil, thanks for another great video, I'm really enjoying your channel!
I've got a Giulietta and have seen your front bumper remove guide... Unfortunately there appears to be no Rear Bumper removal guide (or even rear light cluster removal guide!) anywhere on the internet :(
Do you have any plans to possibly make one anytime soon? I'm sure the people of the internet would really appreciate it!
Cheers!
Hey good vid, are you planning to do some separate videos on engines and what to look for when maintaining and what how to do stuff on different engines, some pro tips etc.? Thanks...
Seen that in a friends159 before, got a second hand one and used 303 plastic protectant spray and never had issues after that. But was long time ago and the was sold allready
Thanks for tip my cover is broken to but no issues i get new on its resting in box for a change Giulietta 1750tbi
Brilliant as usual. Now looking for a tbi.
I saw the cover on my 159 2.4 having cracks but its due for throttle body and EGR cleaning next week so will have it checked.
Thanks for the warning. And thanks for your many videos. I will check my covers tomorrow when the daylight is back!
Does this TBI also have oil in the spark plug wells?
Great video, excellent info
Mine was the same, luckily mechanic spotted it when doing the cambelt and water pump
A great heads up👍 Forza Italia Autos.
Always source new covers when changing timing belts on the TBI… was told this a few years ago thankfully
Thank you a lot! It was very helpfull.
Neil this happened to my 159 last year. Engine warning light, read codes, both cams out of time. Garage checked and teeth had jumped by 3 teeth. I suspected the crumbly cam cover had fallen into the belt. I was very annoyed with that as I had just had to change the turbo. Found a good second hand cover. I will check this every year.
Nicolas, good it's sorted. But no need to buy it second hand. A new one costs only 60 euro a set. The frond and back one
With how many km you had to change the Turbo? I know is a very common issue on the 59 tbi right?
Thank you!
Thanks for the warning! I have replaced yesterday.
Good stuff
Scary stuff. Good karma for you for taking the time letting us know
Got one myself I have to check it out 👍🏻
I wont a 159 with a TBi as well, and I happened to burst one of my coolant hoses, there is no coolant level sensor in the expansion tank, which led to overheating and an expensive repair. Check the hoses anually! Or install some kind of sensor in the tank...
This exactly happened to me in June on my MY2011 Spider. Mine only moved 2 or 3 teeth and no engine damage luckily.
Also TBI engine?
Can you please do a cam belt video on the 159 tbi engine and what special tools are needed?

Yep, both happy n sad you showed me this, cost me a few quid but at least it’s safe 😅
Hi Niel thank you very much for this video. I'm very interested since I have the exact same car and engine.
Do you know if this is a wide spread issue?
I've had the cambelt changed last year so I wasn't going to give it a check before a few years again but are you telling us there is an easy way to see if this is about to happen?
Cheers!
Thank you. Could you make a video how to change timing belt on 1750 tbi..i’ve Giulietta 240cv. Greetings from italy
Same issue on my MA 2012 GIULIETA at least I fount on service timing belt before make me damage
Sometimes Alfa don’t help themselves!! It’s annoying
The same on my tbi after 200.000 kilometers and belt change 😁
Happens on diesels too..
When my timing belt skipped, I revived cover and it’s actually worn on the inside like the belt or pulley was rubbing against it
Unfortunately also had this problem. My inlet camshaft was also out of position. But now it turned out that the ring on the camshaft had also shifted. A revised cylinder head has emerged but unfortunately still an error code...
I heard the plastic around the fuelpump has the same issues,.never checked if it was true, reaching the fuelpump is no fun
Just listen to Car Wizard on disintegrating plastic on modern BMWs. ....It's not just Alfa and FCA you know.
The Gt does it 2 but lower down, I took all the plastic off
Same thing happened to mine.
Reckon this happens to the 1.4 multiair? Any tips for a 99k mile one? Got a giulietta recently, had an oil change and some other work done but no other engine maintenance. by me yet.
Hi, is this a common issue on newer (2018-present) Giuliettas with that 1750 engine?
Thanks
This is the beauty i cant figure out what it is maybe a asr sensor or earthing or cable problem do you have an opinion please?
Communication anomaly on the CAN network to motor control node (NCM)
The reason for this fault is that ECU has recived invalid signal from from the senzor the fault is not detected now but it is stored in the memory.
Dashboard warning light was active for this fault
Thx
Ok this adds up perfectly to the crappy coolant reservoirs and crappy low pressure fuel pump covers on the TBi. No matter of "if" it'll fail, but "when". And all of those seem to be age related, not mileage.
same here bro
Of all the parts on a car that can degrade, you'd think the plastic bits would last the longest⚠️😯
What about the 1.4 multiair?
Hudson will state it’s the dry heat man.
Molto bene 👍
Neil, what’s the part number for the cam belt cover and cost.
Also, did that 1750 TBI have oil in the plug recesses on cylinders 3 and 4? Caused by seals also going brittle.
Product number is 55229620
Hi, thanks for the heads-up. Is it just the TBi, or should I check my 2008 2.4 JTD Brera as well?
I've only seen it like this on the tbi
Wow !. That’s a potential nightmare situation !. Do you know any more about this ?, is it just Tbi engines or are they all made of the same plastics ?. Did this engine get really hot to make it go like this, was the belt rubbing on the inside of the cover ?.
Sorry for so many questions Neil, but, you’re discovery in this case has little context without a further explanation and, I’m sure, most of your viewers are Alfa owners, so would be extremely grateful of more info.
Thanks for the vid and the heads up, think I’ll check mine in the morning before I go anywhere.
I've only seen this happen on the tbi. No over heating or rubbing.
Thanks for the info. Have you seen head gasket problems on the later 1750 TBI - the alloy block ones that came on later Giuliettas and 4Cs? Someone said they are prone to head gasket failure but I only heard that from one source.
I've not known of any issues
@@ItaliaAutosThanks for the reply!
I have replaced it a few years ago on my Delta III Di (Tbi).
But it is stunning to see such totally jerked quality... shamefull!
I would like to know your opinion about this engine, the 1750tbi. Would it be the perfect choice between this and the other engines mounted on the AR 159? I need to choose between the 1.9jtd 16v and the 1750tbi. The 2.4 jtdm I think it's to heavy. Thank you!
No comparison… the TBI is one great engine
Hi! I was wondering just recently if i should buy a 1.75 tbi, the problem i"v heard it"s immposible to find some parts like variators and such for those engines. I have 1.9 jtdm 16v 150cp originally, now modded to 180cp ti and i litteraly chamged everything on it full service, sport suspension double exaust, etc and wondering if it is a good ideea to just let it go and gamble on a 1.75 tbi, what is your opinion ?
go for it nothing ive ever struggled to get.
What piece is it?
Hi! Is there any MultiAir system on this model?
no
That is shocking... but all plastics and paints are now compromised due to recyclability and other eco- friendly nonsense.
Covers like that used to snap off mounting holes and brackets etc. but to just crumble to dust and flakes ?
Hello. is the same fault in 2.0 jtdm 16v 170hp. ? best regards Darek from Poland
ive only seen this on the tbi engine. But worth a check.
I have the 2.0 jtdm and the cover seems to have some minor cracks on the top... better check yours out yourself.
I replaced on my 2.0 jtdm before shits happened.
Cover had a large crack but fortunately no consequences. I noticed when I was doing a timing belt service.
Is this engine reliable? I heard the turbo hqve some trouble. I found one with 102.000 km on the clock 11/2012 1.75 tbi ti sedan it retails for 13000 euro, same company sell a sportwagen 1.75 tbi for 8000. Is it worth in that condition 13000 euro? Will i be able to have a good experience not woreing about the engine or gearbox?
It's not bad.
Hi! Can you help me please? I have a tbi 2011 and i have a nasty error it hapen random, hill assist, traction controll, etc (assistence systems) deactivate and sometimes the fuel gage show empty even if i have full tank, and goes into limp mode, did you had any experience with this? Thx
Yes book it in and I'll take a look at it thanks
@@ItaliaAutos unfortunatly i can't. I'm from romania 😕
Whats is your opinion about this engine? I am actually thinking of getting in the future a 159 tbi or a mk1 Giulietta tbi
It’s a better engine than the Jts engines. Easy to work on plenty of room to do stuff, parts cost more though
@@ItaliaAutos Thanks for your reply. Its maybe a matter of finding one in good condition and trying to maintain it to a high standard.
@@ItaliaAutos How would you say it compares to the 1.4 MultiAir in the Giulietta? Thanks.
To everyone talking about Alfa Romeo being unreliable, you english should look back at British Leyland before talking about reliability. This Is a bad issue but here in Italy, where the service network is specialized (because we have more Fiat/Alfa/Lancia cars around) no one has big problems, almost every issue Is well known and solved in a small trip to the mechanic. Many of the reliability issues with italian cars are a thing because the service network abroad Is not good (not talking about Italia Autos, he Is awesome)
Probably asked before, but is this happening with the covers of others versions?
I've not seen any but some people have reported it.
I love the way people chime in with there comments on crap build quality but that's probably at least a ten year old car I reckon.
12 years old. 😀
My 19 year old skoda hasn't had its plastics disintegrated
I've come close to buying an Alfa a couple of times in recent years because I love the design and styling - but backed out at the last minute due to all the horror stories about them (rust and reliability issues). I love Neil's vids but the more I watch them the more I'm glad I don't own one.
I had no issues with my Giulietta 1.4 16V with rust or anything. Now I own the Giulietta Quadrifoglio and hope the same for it. So I don't see the point in believing in those rumors. But maybe older Alfa had more problems. So my question for you Neil, are the new Alfa Romeo models more reliable than those before 2010 (rust, engine etc.)?
I've owned five Alfas and run them to high miles, and they are no worse than most cars these days, and better than many. Just get one with a solid service/ maintenance record that hasn't been messed about by a boy racer, then make sure you have somebody like Neil to look after it. Most important is to stay ahead of the maintenance and never ever miss a service or cam belt change.
I have 3 Italian cars now, and have had many others in the past including a 156TS for 13 years. To be very frank, they have been super reliable. But I am an enthusiast and take care of my cars.
You realise that this channel is all about working on Italian cars - fixing and maintaining so there is always going to be "issues" ?
If you really want to hear interesting stories about failing plastic car parts - just research BMW engines
Alfa Romeo’s are reliable. A lot of cars on these videos are 10 to 15 years old or more. Some times plastic is damaged by using incorrect solvents and fluids. I have had 6 Alfa’s and they have been great. Just make sure you get it serviced as per manual as should be done with all cars.
Oh dear, I've clearly hit a nerve with some Alfa fans. I love the look of 159's but rust is an issue on them. There's a chap on YT based in the UK that was chasing rust repairs on a 2009 / 2010 car.....to the point where the A pillars down to the sills were virtually non existent due to rot. The outside of the car was clean and shiny and looked really tidy but underneath was a very different story indeed. Before anyone says its due to the age of the car...in comparison, my 2009 Octavia vRS is rust & rot free.
All manufacturers are using plastics where a metal piece would do the job. The plastics do not last as long. Yes they don’t corrode but they don’t stand the heat for as long. I think all of us would prefer an alloy metal part to a plastic one.
A lot of cars now are made to be thrown away after 5-10 years or 100,000 miles.
It's happened when Fiat bought Alfa Romeo.
What do you actually think of the 159 1.75 tbi is it worth buying?
There ok just not a car I'd buy
@@ItaliaAutos Thanks for answering. I understand that you have your own preferences, but I imagine that you worked on some are they really reliable? and are they expensive to service?
Cheap enough to service cambelts are around £500
Alfas and cambelts - you’d think they’d learn 😳
It's weird how they have all this great engineering put into their cars but for some reason they just can't be bothered to fix certain issues at all.
Mi immagino che tirate gli hai dato buono il Jaguar che perde olio ovunque
he sounds like mumbo jumbo
I can excuse Alfa lots of things, but this is just cheap nasty specifying at the design stage.. I've got my sons 17 year old Skoda parked outside and all its underbonnet plastics are as good as new. It never happened on my 14 year old Alfa Romeo 164 plastic cam cover either I have to say. Do Fiat cam covers disintegrate as well? Anybody know ?
I've had a Fiat Uno Turbo 2 Fiat Bravos and an Alfa Mito QV and never had any issues
Also happens to certain German, British & Korean cars, possibly others, as in the last 2 decades manufacturers have been using more "eco friendly" materials that break down more easily for the environment, unfortunately that also means that when cars are 10+ years old & still working, they suffer failures like this, as most cars are only designed to have a 10 year lifespan.
Typical Alfas made of chocolate
Have to disagree. I have 147 TS and 156 JTD 16v and they work fine.
@@maticsajovic3142 I am joking of course mate don't be offended, i have nothing against Alfas
@@maxmoughal5183 not at all. I dont care about this Alfa jokes 😉. But some of then really are crap. Like 2.4 heads on 159, they are cracking like plastic shown here 😂.
@@maticsajovic3142 2.4 heads cracking? I have a 2.4 jtdm 159 130 000km havent seen that!what do you mean?
@@drincogni 200 and 210 hp heads dont have the best quality.
Typically Alfa Romeo garbage. WHY CANT THEY GET SIMPLE DETAILS RIGHT?!