Getting Good at Fighting Games: It's Hard, It Takes Work, and ANYONE Can Do It
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- #Tekken7 #TWT2019
Aris had a pretty profound moment during the opening weekend of the Tekken World Tour, and the results really drove the point home.
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Getting Bodied isn’t just a tool for getting better at fighting games. It’s a *necessity*
And at life too.
That's the problem is alot of people trying to get better at fighting games dont see that as part of the process.
@@joshjones9749 it would be a problem if tekken did a good job at teaching fundamentals to new players, as it stands new players hop online and get eaten alive 3-0 often not even knowing what it is they did wrong. i love tekken and i agree that you have to get beat up to become good at fighting but tekken is a horrible experience for new players if they're not resilient and genuinely love the game
@@enderborn9209 If they want to be good at the game they gotta accept that fighting games demand practice and research. You almost have to have a musician's mindset in that you never really stop learning or practicing when it comes to fighting games. Then at some point after a little while you turn on the game and the practice pays off.
Speaking of the side gig shit...
I am in university, and I got this one professor who plays fighting games (primarily Tekken and MK). We talked about the FGC one time during break, and he just told me that if fighting games has the same prize money offers like those MOBAs, he would quit teaching and pursue eSports, and would stream.
EDIT: I also remembered that he said that, our country (Philippines) does not care about other eSports, it only cares about MOBAs. See, we got this guy in our Senate who supports eSports, but can't actually see wtf is going on. When AK got 2nd place in EVO Japan, he never got recognition from our gov't lmao.
hey keep it down
@@professionalhater3929 With the all momentum Tekken has picked up lately, I don't think its impossible....but Japanese FG devs are stumbling on being appealing to casual audiences by either doing too much (SFV, DBFZ) or too little (Tekken)
to play and learn fighting games the right way you must practice/study for 70% and play against humans for 30% of the time specially for newcomers, unlike other eSports games where the practice is actually just playing and enjoying the game online
The world doesn't run on handouts. Fighting games are not viewed NOR played enough that's the reality of the matter.
The interest in Mobas never fails to baffle me.
Another golden nugget of advice glazed with a healthy dose of reality check. Hey alright.
I've been playing competitive videogames for more than 10 years.
I played every kind of stuff. I MEAN, EVERY KIND (or almost ... I never played RTS). And I also followed every kind of community/competitive scene.
Mobas, classic fps, arena fps, battle royale fps, new fps like overwatch/paladins, racing games, turn based games, card games, and of course, FIGHTING GAMES.
I came to the conclusion that the biggest difference that distinguishes fighting games from other games is the HUGE gap between newbies and average players.
In almost every other game, becoming a decent player doesn't require the same time, the same dedication, the same hard work and the SAME SKILLS, that requires being A DECENT PLAYER AT FIGHTING GAMES. Usually the hard part is becoming a "PRO PLAYER"; because the gap between average players and pros is REALLY BIG.
In fighting games the hard part is the initial approach. Don't get me wrong, there is obviously a difference between pros and good players, but it's not THAT BIG, like it is in other games.
I mean, to become a good LoL player, Dota2 player, CSGO player, COD player, Overwatch player, Rainbow6 player, Apex player, PUBG player, Fortnite player, UT player, Quake player, Hearthstone player, Rocket League player, TrackMania player or whatever, you need to play and practice for weeks/months. Then, you'll most likely reach an average level, unless you're bad of course.
Yes, there are some differences, logically, between every game (for example, arena fps aren't beginner friendly like battle royale games).
But fighting games are a completely different world.
In fighting games, ESPECIALLY IN TEKKEN, after some weeks or some months, even with more training sessions, with more sacrifices, with more dedication ... YOU'RE STILL A NOOB. Slightly better than before, but STILL A NOOB. The effort you have to put into it is GIGANTIC. And I think that it can't be a coincidence that the "OLDEST" community with the "oldest" players of them all, is the fighting games community.
Just look at Tekken pro players: JDCR is 30, Qudans is 32, Knee is probably 35 or something like that, Chanel, Saint, Take and Yuu are "old" as well, Tanukana is 26, Tissuemon is 33, Nobi is 28, Majin is 31, Spero Gin is 31, PokChop is 32, JTRAN is 30, JoeyFury is 26 ... Half of the so called "tekken pro scene" is formed by people that are over 25 years old.
The average age in other games is 21/22 years old, even lower in some cases (3 LoL players that became world champions in 2018 weren't even 20, and one of them was 17) ...
It can't be a coincidence.
It's a fact; the learning curve in fighting games is way more sharp than others, but once you got there, the road to become "pro" isn't THAT long and stiff.
^ 👍 Everyone listen up!
what u described is true for rts except on a much more intense level just look at the pro playing starcraft it so unreal how fast they play it
Nice essay bitch
> joins FGC
> relationship left the chat
> *RIGHT HAND JOINS THE CHAT*
This is funny as hell lol
Lmao seriously
8 hours of leisure time?
#AvoidingTheEmployement
That was a slogan of the movement for the the eight-hour workday: "Eight hours for work, eight hours for rest and eight hours for what you will."
This is so true ever since i started tekken 7 2 years ago (my first tekken) too i lost interest in other games and have absolute no interest to play other games other than tekken.
Right? I still play smash with my friends and sometimes will pick up other old favorites briefly but I’m currently playing Tekken 6 and Tag 2 to see the way they progressed from 5 to 7 and get some fundamental practice at the same time
Wise words from Aris, to become the best, you have to make yourself unhappy
I could tell Cherry Berry was sad that he didn’t win but after he got his medal and every body gathered for the photo and all the champions came up he has the biggest smile! It’s great to see new pro players join tournaments!
6:05 best moment.
7:43
Some great shit in this clip. I’ll never really be good at Tekken or other fighting games because i don’t want to sacrifice time or the other games I love. Plus work, relationships, and a dedication to another discipline I actually have talent for means I’ll probably stay in green ranks till Tekken 8 comes out in 10 years.
The love of the game still exists in green ranks though baby so it’s all good
Dude don’t stop entirely, a lot of Tekken players acknowledge that after being accustomed to higher levels of play you can easily get thrown off by someone playing “unorthodox” at least until you download them, losing to friends that aren’t as good is always a good experience and humbling is natural.
@Ken I dont know dude, I hear you but the way I see it I'm "good enough" at tekken to have fun. as long as that's the case I'm gonna keep playing. also I think the beauty of Tekken is that low rank less experienced players still have a chance to beat high level players to an extent.
Ken well its really only to an extent right? like once you download a low level player it will be super hard for them to beat you. they wont be able to rely on your lack of match up knowledge to win after a bunch of fights because you will then be getting used to that match up, and how the my play. plus good fundamentals go a really long way, obviously you know that.
But if someone else doesn’t have good fundamentals and relies on the same 5 gimmicks you’re gonna figure them out and eat them from there on.
@Ken It doesnt take long to learn and shut down gimmicks in T7 tho. Lucky Chloe for example all her gimmicks can be learned and dealt with in 10 minutes in practice mode. At that point it will come down to how good the player is. Alot of it is taking a critical look at what moves beat you and practicing against the moves themselves. Players who get into the specifics will always do better than players who have a general idea of the game.
This is so real, I love UNIST so much, it's my favorite fighter of this generation and my level of enjoyment with it transcends my enjoyment of fighting games. Seeing it pop up on EVO makes me feel like I'm playing a game worth playing, a game that will live and grow and one I can share with people, for longer than a month.
Yeah stay in school if you're planning on being the next Punk or something. I wish I had the skill to get far in a tourney but for now going to Combo Breaker and just chilling is fine.
Ken He hasn’t won big money yet? Do you not recall when he won E-League? That was like $150K right there
going to combo breaker too! only been playing for a year but put in a lot of time and wanted to see if I could snag a couple matches and see how i do!
If u are dedicated u have to work around the schedule u have. There are people that work 40 hours a week and still became pro players. But when u start out a scrub u probable need another 20+hrs on the game efficiently learning and watching replays
Fighting games are mostly based around mind games. You are constantly thinking about your next move and your hands movements come second. On top of that you need to have knowledge of all other characters even if you don't play them. It's to much for most people especially New comers so they give up instead of practicing
@Ken True if you haven't played Tekken from the beginning its gonna be a long time before you get good
Raphael Robinson Fighting games are crazy just started DOA 6 and I have a lot of work to do lol combos for lots of different characters which will be the longest part and experience and adjusting play style
@@yourdaddy8605 doa 6 is the shit keep playing you will love it
Yeah I’m feeling this now. Aris has got me into fighting games. I’m trying to get good at the new Mortal Kombat and man it’s tough
Oh man my video game pile has gotten so huge because of the time I put into fighting games.
Aris saying that you should have a side job if u r gonna be a tournament player is just facts
I mean knee is saying it’s not enough
Yeah, sadly there just isn't enough money in fighting games....unless you're SonicFox winning multiple tournaments in multiple games then you gotta find another source of income.
jay kj yea
@@MrOzzification even these tourneies probably pay pennies.
@@EeBee97 sadly, SFV sucks
that one guy in the chat saying "Electrics>Friends" im fucking dead lmao
This is a good topic because I know some people who we body everytime in Tekken 6 had greatly improved. Even the weakest of them before imo has now respectable playstyle
as for Super Akuma, i've seen it coming. You can see a "good player" in the choices of move or tactics he play at tourney. I noticed that when i saw him facing against JDCR in the past at finals. I just knew this guy only need more experience and more hours of heat in tournaments. he already had the mindset.
Tbh the big reason that fg are considered prohibitive are because you cant learn by simply playing the game so you need to enter practice mode
True story, if you're an adult who doesn't live under her/his family's care, you already disqualified amigo.
Kind of torn at the moment between two trains of thought:
1) Wanting to get better at Tekken 7.
2) Not wanting to put so much time and effort into a video game and rather focusing on more important, real life stuff, like my future/career.
perfect video ending
Nice low parry at the end bumdle
AvoidingTheTeamBasedFightingGames
good shit n0pants
I never could get good enough at Tekken I just had to many other games I rather work at. I have nothing but respect for Tekken players. But like anything if you wanna get really good at something you gotta treat it like a job
I thought I'd never get over the level of disrespect a winner could show to their competitor until I remembered that the winner was French.
I came for advice but came to the footage.
Gotta put in the grind on everything you do 💪
8 hours of leisure? In what country?
Anything that is non work and sleep, is free time/leisure
@@bluelion7342 8 hours tho? Who gets that much time lol not in America if you're not high class
Aris is just guessing cause he doesn't remember life with a real job
@@dudeonthasopha not trying to prove him wrong just damn..i wish i had that many hours of leisure time lol
In the world of successful videogame streamers and nowhere else
Bro had a notebook out 😂😂
Holy shit Super Akouma is sick.
Team based fighting game...
Gulity Gear Isuka
Case closed.
lowkey wish team based fighting games were popular. MK9 2v2s, Tag 2 2v2s. Did sfxt have 2v2s? idk why they zuccd dbfz 3v3s to online and local only on the switch.
Jonathan Arvizu sfxt did actually
Avoiding The Tournaments
Tips for Newbies : how to git gud
I’m 16 and I’m going to enter evo for the first time. Can anyone explain how it works? Any strats?
Edit: I also want to say that, yeah anyone can get good at tekken just practice and study players. Sorry for the 100 word essay.
Get good nerd!
And fuck you
Also, thanks!
Hey alright, great parry.
Daniel von mühlen yeah that’s a good summary heh heh heh thank you
ATP (Adenosine triphosphate) aka aris the energy-man. aka father stoner.
Get parried!
.. i tried other fighting games but hated them cause i sucked real bad at them but i picked up tekken what do you know i was good at it...tekken just clicked
i tried sf4 and i couldn't play that fucking game to save my life
Hey alright
@@SPRINGS02 hey alright
What SF?
Capitalising sentences like Jaden Smith
You'll have to dial back your showering habits if you want to get good at Smash apparently too
What are those masks I see people keep wearing and why are they worn?
Avoid getting sick.
Real talk I realized this exactly. I love playing other great games . I canot sacrifice other games just for fighters. Y I droped tekken. its the most time consuming of all fighter. dum amount of moves and dum amount of characters.
@Ken bruh well fukin sed
Aris's life balance is off.
im blue
I don't have the attention span to be a pro at fighting games. Training is so boring. Thus why I'm an failure at life.
Tho tbh, button mashing can get you like rank two in MK tourneys cause the game is cheese.
@@pedrito890 Hey man, chill out and take a toke of this gud shid. We all can be friends here.
Koibito The Scrublord Statements like those show us you don’t have what it takes, don’t worry, lmao.
@@gerardorivas2811 Hey man, some people are born to be pros. I'm sadly not one of those people. I'm just button masher till I die.
@@koibitothescrublord4977 practice more and u will be better
Tekken Tournaments pay for shit..... =(
Time is completely irrelevant for mastering fighting games like Tekken, because everyone is learning at a different pace. If I would dedicate 8+ hours a day for years to come I would still probably not be a good player at Tekken.
What makes the difference is the level of curiousity and the environment. As long as you're not extremely inquisitive and /or don't have access to arcades you have better chances winning in lotto than becoming a pro.
That's also evident by the fact that most pro players use sticks. I'm not trying to start a debate on whether sticks or pads are better. It's a fact that growing up with stick / arcade experience gives you an edge over pad players. This makes players like Sonicfox look even better imo guys like him are monsters.
@Ken The point is that most arcades don't have pad options and that's the best scene so you are at a disadvantage being a pad player since you are missing out on such a crucial scene.
Hm. Idk if I could say time is *completely* irrelevant
I don't believe this. Yes anyone can work to get good at things. But you have to set the standard to what is good. If you don't have key things like a reaction time at a certain level you will never be good. Some people can play all day but they've hit a ceiling and won't get any better. However I don't believe that you're born a Tekken player or not. It takes a lot of practice.
Why did you quit mk11 then lmao noob