CORRECTION: You can comfortably support tools as long as 2.5" below the holder with about .5" of clearance between the bottom of the tool and the top of the tool holders while racked.
Just got my atc setup done. This is my 1st cnc, I had to learn a lot just to get it up and going. Now at least I get to play while learn. lol. I got the V9 but before even trying it I was unhappyy with it. Im sure its a great design for non atc systems, but not the best for atc. I wish this came out a bit earlier. I recently bought the Double Barrel boot about a month ago. Just installed it this morning. If its not up to task, this will be the next option. Great designing, with extra credit for originality.
I will definitely be considering this when I finally save up to get the PWN ATC. Great work. In the video you mention a video from Peter at Masso which gave you the idea for the sliding laser mount. Would you mind providing a link to that video? Thanks....Cecil
@@UglyDogWoodshop Thanks for the link. I'll definitely be looking for the upcoming video. This seems like a great idea for a J-Tech/Onefinity laser mount.
@@RockhollowCNCServices 22 or 23. I have 21 on mine, but I also have my tool setter in front of my tools and I left some space free directly under the home position. So, it depends what else you want to put along that axis. You could go crazy and add multiple rows, but I don't think that's what you were asking.
It's possible, but that could use a lot of air, depending on how much air you're thinking. I suppose there's nothing stopping someone from doing that with the boot the way it is. So far, I've been happy with its performance though. I'm curios what others will say after I get them shipped.
@@UglyDogWoodshop I’m currently designing my own dust boot for an xcarve (a simple height adjustable one) and have encountered the exact same problem. Ive left the back open like you but I have allowed the brushes to continue unsupported on each side so they are somewhat compliant. I have a 20mm gap so probable more than you have but I feel your pain. The air option was something in toyed with but I wasn’t willing to hook air up just for that. Another issue I had was that any sideways force on the brushed section made it slip off. I put some male/female bosses to provide lateral support. This helped but I ended up using a threaded insert (I’m a belt and braces kinda guy). I’m surprised yours doesn’t have that problem given my experience but yours is a much better design than mine :).
@UglyDogWoodshop I'm currently working on a z independent dust boot that is compatible with an ATC for the onefinity elite foreman. I've gone through several iterations of designs, and I can say that it is absolutely possible to create a boot with 360 deg. brushes. Based on my own testing, I can see three problems with this design. 1. The missing brush defeats the purpose. I can't imagine this will be effective. 2. The boot wraps tightly around the spindle, which will greatly reduce air volume as the spindle moves down in the z-direction. I know this from first-hand experience since I tested a similar design. Would love to understand how you solve this. Im assuming you have an air port that doesn't conflict with the spindle? 3. This system makes use of a pneumatic cylinder, which means that the boots' z-axis position doesn't adjust to the length of the cutting tool. While you mentioned the ability to adjust the z height, this is still a manual process, which defeats the purpose. My design accounts for all 3 of these issues. I only mention these because I encountered them while going through iterations of my design. With that said, I appreciate the designs that people are coming up with. Please note that this isn't meant to bash your design. Just wanted to point these out. Hopefully, we'll see improvements in future iterations.
There are trade-offs with any boot design. Performance-wise, this boot performs well, even with the gap in the back. If installed properly, the spindle doesn’t block the airflow. You could have a different design that is more of a fixed-z setup, mounting to legs on the z-slider’s rails, but it would violate an existing patent and wouldn’t be sellable. It would also be z clearance restricted and it wouldn’t be able to use the full z-travel. Those are both design criteria I prioritized. If you’ve designed a boot that works for you, then that’s great. Im sure different people Have different needs. I’m quite happy with my boot and its performance too.
@@RockhollowCNCServices Sorta. The MASSO beta release has a configurable input called Dust Hood-1, which moves the boot up and down. That can be assigned to a button. It's not available without the beta though. Without the beta, you could get creative and put a button in place of the relay and that would work. The MASSO wouldn't have any control of it, but you could move it manually with a button that way.
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CORRECTION: You can comfortably support tools as long as 2.5" below the holder with about .5" of clearance between the bottom of the tool and the top of the tool holders while racked.
Just got my atc setup done. This is my 1st cnc, I had to learn a lot just to get it up and going. Now at least I get to play while learn. lol.
I got the V9 but before even trying it I was unhappyy with it. Im sure its a great design for non atc systems, but not the best for atc.
I wish this came out a bit earlier. I recently bought the Double Barrel boot about a month ago. Just installed it this morning. If its not up to task, this will be the next option.
Great designing, with extra credit for originality.
Thank you! I'm not sure if I hope the Double Barrel works for you or not :)
So much work has gone into this setup; well done!
Yes it was. Thank you!
This looks just fantastic!!!!
Thank you! It was a lot of work. I hope it eliminates some pain points.
Could you do an air test for the sidekick like you did for the other dust boots?
I did that right after the boot was operational. It's equal to approximately 75% of the market-leading Big Suck or 82% of the popular Nighthawk.
I will definitely be considering this when I finally save up to get the PWN ATC. Great work. In the video you mention a video from Peter at Masso which gave you the idea for the sliding laser mount. Would you mind providing a link to that video? Thanks....Cecil
Here's that link: th-cam.com/video/NU94qZiKOTE/w-d-xo.html. I'll be providing a more J-Tech/Onefinity version of this in a video soon.
@@UglyDogWoodshop Thanks for the link. I'll definitely be looking for the upcoming video. This seems like a great idea for a J-Tech/Onefinity laser mount.
Genius That is all. Thanks brother
Thank you! I hope it catches on.
@@UglyDogWoodshop how many tools will fit on the foreman with the tool setter where you have it? I have mine in the rear corner at the moment.
@@RockhollowCNCServices 22 or 23. I have 21 on mine, but I also have my tool setter in front of my tools and I left some space free directly under the home position. So, it depends what else you want to put along that axis. You could go crazy and add multiple rows, but I don't think that's what you were asking.
Nice work. Could you not have a air blowing at the rear to make up for the lack of a brush?
It's possible, but that could use a lot of air, depending on how much air you're thinking. I suppose there's nothing stopping someone from doing that with the boot the way it is. So far, I've been happy with its performance though. I'm curios what others will say after I get them shipped.
@@UglyDogWoodshop I’m currently designing my own dust boot for an xcarve (a simple height adjustable one) and have encountered the exact same problem. Ive left the back open like you but I have allowed the brushes to continue unsupported on each side so they are somewhat compliant. I have a 20mm gap so probable more than you have but I feel your pain. The air option was something in toyed with but I wasn’t willing to hook air up just for that.
Another issue I had was that any sideways force on the brushed section made it slip off. I put some male/female bosses to provide lateral support. This helped but I ended up using a threaded insert (I’m a belt and braces kinda guy). I’m surprised yours doesn’t have that problem given my experience but yours is a much better design than mine :).
@UglyDogWoodshop
I'm currently working on a z independent dust boot that is compatible with an ATC for the onefinity elite foreman. I've gone through several iterations of designs, and I can say that it is absolutely possible to create a boot with 360 deg. brushes. Based on my own testing, I can see three problems with this design.
1. The missing brush defeats the purpose. I can't imagine this will be effective.
2. The boot wraps tightly around the spindle, which will greatly reduce air volume as the spindle moves down in the z-direction. I know this from first-hand experience since I tested a similar design. Would love to understand how you solve this. Im assuming you have an air port that doesn't conflict with the spindle?
3. This system makes use of a pneumatic cylinder, which means that the boots' z-axis position doesn't adjust to the length of the cutting tool. While you mentioned the ability to adjust the z height, this is still a manual process, which defeats the purpose.
My design accounts for all 3 of these issues. I only mention these because I encountered them while going through iterations of my design.
With that said, I appreciate the designs that people are coming up with.
Please note that this isn't meant to bash your design. Just wanted to point these out. Hopefully, we'll see improvements in future iterations.
There are trade-offs with any boot design. Performance-wise, this boot performs well, even with the gap in the back. If installed properly, the spindle doesn’t block the airflow.
You could have a different design that is more of a fixed-z setup, mounting to legs on the z-slider’s rails, but it would violate an existing patent and wouldn’t be sellable.
It would also be z clearance restricted and it wouldn’t be able to use the full z-travel. Those are both design criteria I prioritized.
If you’ve designed a boot that works for you, then that’s great. Im sure different people
Have different needs. I’m quite happy with my boot and its performance too.
nice.
Thanks
Please make one for cncdepot spindles
hit me up on the site. I'd love to get some info from you. I might be down to do this.
Question. The ATC is on my short list Can I purchase this and use it manually with a side button maybe without having the ATC yet?
Yes. You just have to make sure you use the MDI button to move the boot manually.
@@UglyDogWoodshop thanks. Can it be activated with an external physical button?
@@RockhollowCNCServices Sorta. The MASSO beta release has a configurable input called Dust Hood-1, which moves the boot up and down. That can be assigned to a button. It's not available without the beta though. Without the beta, you could get creative and put a button in place of the relay and that would work. The MASSO wouldn't have any control of it, but you could move it manually with a button that way.
@@UglyDogWoodshop cool. Placed my order this morning.
@@RockhollowCNCServices Thank you for your support!