The "no right answer means no wrong answers" thing is so stupid, even outside of the context of transness. There's no one right way to make art, but shitting on a piece of canvas is definitely wrong. There's no one right way to cook a meal, but serving raw chicken is clearly wrong. There are so many things that don't have a right way to do, but there are things that are clearly wrong.
Also, as a teacher, I give tests with ‘no right answer, but there are wrong answers’ ALL THE TIME. Whenever my students answer free response questions that is *exactly* what is happening.
Yeah, it's like tortillas. There is no right way to cook it, you can cook it in a pan or in a oven. However, it'd be wrong to cook it in a soup. Among other things.
people who use typically use the word "transgenderism" are just making an effort to dehumanize trans people so they don't have to face social repercussions for discriminating against an entire category of people based on hatred.
It’s telling that instead of saying “Is being transgender logical” they’re using the term “Transgenderisim.” They aren’t looking at being trans as someone trying to be who they feel that they are, which is just self improvement affirmation of the self. They instead look at being trans as an opposing ideology. It’s a very strange mindset.
on another note I just hate how right wingers thing of ideology as a bad thing. sure, being pro-trans is an ideology as is LITERALLY EVERYTHING, if you ever string together multiple facts and come to a conclusion (like we do with all the current academic and medical knowledge on trans people!) that's an ideology, it's just weird right wingers thing you can escape ideology which is literally impossible
I think it's a poorly phrased question that puts both parties on the defensive. Maybe a better question would be "Does one person's self-identification as transgender impose obligations on other people who disagree with that self-identification?"
@@bumblebeeyellowdragon It used almost exclusively by right wing media outlets. It is a word, but it also practically designed to make being trans sound scary to transphobes. Then again they all have Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia so I’m pretty sure any word with more than three syllables would either flummox or terrify them.
It's not as much an opposing ideology as much as it is them trying to make it seem like it is. These people acknowledge that there's more to being trans than "ideologies" but then don't actually fight anything on ideology, they fight things that trans people do, and the existence of trans people. If you'll notice, it's not common that people who use the term "transgenderism" or "gender ideology" to be fighting the thoughts or thought process of what being trans is, but they fight things like medical care, interactions with others (specifically children), and whether trans people exist. I've met so many people who say that trans people do exist, but can't get behind the ideology behind it. But if trans people exist separately from the ideology behind it, then what exactly is gender ideology? People will say "When you think you can become a girl or a boy" but just earlier these people said that trans people *do* exist. It's so fascinating the hurdles and obstacles and the teeny tiny spaces these people squeeze through to come up with arguments that just don't make sense.
Saying trans people are born in the wrong body is like when people tell kids that babies come from a seed in their parent's tummy, simplifying the concept to a level that can be understood by the target audience rather than giving them a thorough understanding.
“Feelings don’t determine reality anywhere else in life” Sir have you… lived? Literally almost every choice we make is determined by how we feel about things
Money isn't real. Laws aren't real. Companies aren't real. Nations aren't real. But for some reason, even though none of these things actually exist outside of people's heads, they all have a massive influence on people's lives.
Casual jokes and also just straight up hate. See also Marjorie Taylor Green shouting at a mother who has adopted her children in a freaking *congressional hearing* of all places… 😩
Very true, yeah. Even little kids make jokes about their siblings/other kids they don't like being adopted. Adoption can be traumatic for many. Between the stuff they may have experienced before being adopted and also being 14 times more likely to be abused in their new home (maybe the parents had some "image" of what the child would have been like, which is why white baby girls are the most adopted demographic) and also probably feeling tortured by the fact that they'll never know a whole part of their heritage... this isn't the case for everyone of course but still I try not to pry too hard if I find out someone is adopted. Whole system needs to be seriously revamped.
“If there’s no clear definition of a man or woman, it’s not possible to feel like a woman” I’m pretty sure there’s also no clear universal definition of what it means to feel happy, sad, angry, or feelings of love or friendship or what it’s like to feel a certain age or ethnicity. Yet nobody is arguing that those feelings aren’t real
@Stripes "yes, but no one is arguing that those abstract states should be protected in law" Actually: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - The USA Declaration of Independence
@Stripes You know... I had a few minutes to spent, so I DID look it up. Here's the findings: While the Declaration of Independence recognizes the unalienable rights of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” and the Constitution explicitly protects life and liberty, happiness goes unmentioned in the highest law of the land.[1] The Declaration has no standing in the legal system of the United States; nevertheless, the pursuit of happiness has an important role in American legal history, and is becoming increasingly significant internationally. Protections of the *pursuit of happiness have been written into various state and national constitutions*, and have even been *cited in some of the United States’ Supreme Court’s landmark decisions on marriage*. The emergence of legal protection for considerations of happiness, despite its omission in the supreme law of the land, demonstrates this right’s power in the American consciousness. Although the explicit right to pursue happiness is absent from the Constitution of the United States, *it was not forgotten at the state level*. Less than a month prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the Virginia Convention of Delegates adopted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, which included a guarantee of the inherent right to “the enjoyment of life and liberty… and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.” So... you are wrong.
I love how he's like, "well if there's nothing uniquely male/female, how do you know you're a man?" Like yeah, how do YOU know you're a man then? As a cis man myself, I just know. Honestly couldn't realy tell you much more than that. I swear if those transphobes just thought about this for one second, it would make much more sense to them. But they don't want to understand.
That's what sucks. They think that there *is* something uniquely male/female, and it always has to do with reproduction. That dude "knows" he's a man because he has a penis. That's as far as he thinks. When questioned on things like "What about dudes that are born with part of their genitals missing? Or who lose them to something like cancer or an accident? Or folks born with a penis but also ovaries?" his answer would be something like "but they did/would've been able to have a penis." Or "they look like a dude so they're a dude, as long as they weren't born with a vagina." Just the silliest possible lines drawn.
That's why "gender" is a myth and a mere social construct that is only needed by gender ideology people. It's not necessary to explain 99% of people's sex. You know you are your sex, you didn't have to make up a gender like transgenders. What is left is a mental illness that prevents people from recognizing their sex or wanting to live in a fantasy, which is totally fine, but not for everybody.
I know I'm a woman because I was born with a uterus. and I'm pretty sure if you asked him how he knows he is a man the answer would be something about physical/biological sex
I hate how being transgender is called transgenderism and treated as an ideology even though it's quite literally who you are, even if we were to grant it's an illness (which it's not, gender dysphoria is) you still wouldn't say a person with heart problems believes in heartism and it isn't logical. Why is being trans so scrutinized?
sanism. Basically, people who are mentally ill, and people who are seen as mentally ill, are viewed as inherently irrational, dangerous and in need of controlling.
Love your line, "Ive never heard of transgenderism". This new negative term is something being spread by conservatives to argue that they dont hate trans people, they just hate the being of trans. This doesnt make any sense, its just them saying "we arent transphobic" while they are.
As an AFAB non binary person, I have never felt less connected to being a woman than I did when that clown started talking about how being able to give birth is what makes someone a woman. Super gross. His whole little infomercial for transphobia is bad, but that is the worst part for me
That is just a part of it. Is like a chair, if some parts start disappearing at some point is not a chair. A hand is supposed to have 5 fingers and a palm, sometimes the line between hand and stump is not clear, but we are not making words for it. For the most part we recognize it when we see it, there is no interest in the general public for a debate, because we know when a spade it is a spade
@@johnc3525 My mother is no longer able to give birth; is she any less of a woman? My friend has never been able (and will never be able) to get pregnant or give birth; is she any less of a woman?
Binary gender roles are highly dependent on culture. What one culture thinks a "man" should be is different from what another may think. Even within binary roles, there is huge variation. It really shows how these roles are all human created, and not inherent to being human.
Fun fact: the part of the part of the brain that deals with the identity of the self and the reproductive organs develope at very different stages, which means you can have a brain that says "I am such and such" even though the genitals align differently
@@one-onessadhalf3393 I check there page, they are referring to transmissions, not transgender. My mom would blow a lot of trannies (IE transmissions) when she drove a standard. That is why my step-dad got her an automatic.
As a Cis woman who's unable to get pregnant, the "as a woman, you're able to carry children and that's what makes you a woman" narrative makes me highly uncomfortable on a good day and makes me mad beyond believe on a bad day. I'm very much a woman, but what makes me a woman is that i say I am. Because i do have a female anatomy this is accepted..... It's so weird
No, it's accepted because it's coherent with reality. You probably have all the gear to make and carry children, somewhat defective, but still, you have it. The things is: let's say 80% of non-trans women can get pregnant. 0% of trans women can get pregnant. Apply that to other characteristics. Do you see where I'm going? How are the two groups "women"?
yeah it's so deeply disrespectful and insensitive to women like you to define womanhood as producing babies!!! And betrays an utter lack of thought, empathy, even curiosity on their part. all the best x
Yeah, I'm a cis woman and it's always a toss up if I'm a man or a woman when it comes to transphobes. I've got PCOS, so besides the infertility there's also the facial hair and body hair in general. So not only do I not have periods or the ability to have children, I have enough facial hair to rival many men. If I mention that they sure know how to say things like "you don't count" etc.
Okay... now I'm confusing myself with the idea of an encyclopedia of ignorance. Like a sort of anti-encyclopedia, where every time you look something up it makes an idea you had disappear? I don't know. But it's making me think. Or making me stop thinking. Or something.
I actually took a class in college called "Psychology of Gender", FFS, and it didn't give me enough information to realize I was trans. In retrospect, it's amazing and appalling that anyone thought it was possible to cover the psychology of gender without seriously considering trans people.
@@paulhammond6978 Conceptually, let's say that an encyclopedia contains everything that is known. In that case, an "encyclopedia of ignorance" would contain everything which is unknown. Of course, you could only look up "known unknowns". Theoretically, "unknown unknowns" would also be in the encyclopedia of ignorance, but there would be no way to look them up, because you wouldn't know what they are.
I misread as "is transphobia logical?" and was gonna comment "No. Ooh people living and identifying their lives the way they feel happiest and most comfortable in their bodies, the horror! 😱" ... but I suppose I just did.😅
As an AFAB person who does not ever want to carry a child even though I have no medical reason to suspect I couldn't, and has a complicated relationship with the term "woman", I really enjoyed what you had to say here. Thank you Jamie.
You can say whatever you want, I am not policing you. People make up words all the time, btw. Have you ever "googled" anything? Yeah, that's a made up word.
The only quality a word needs to have to be viable, is a use. From the conservative perspective, "transgenderism" is a vague ideological umbrella(but mostly a transphobic dogwhistle), so I'd say it's probably indeed a word, just not a very nice one.
I’m a 17 year girl and I’ve been questioning my self for like 4-5 year and just told my mom though she would not here me cause I am easily jumping from one thing to another there but she heard me out and I’m getting a binder in a few days . Quote she said “ ok we’ll get you a binder and see from there ok “ I’m so happy 😁 she heard me out and understand why she doesn’t want me to jump in to it so we’re starting slowly. Edit] I’m thankful for all the support and I will update when I get my binder. I wanted to also say I realize it after I left my first relationship let’s just say about half a year I lost my only child hold Friend . But it made those year come back to relise I loved him it wasn’t both way . And at the beginning of the year my mom told me that I have add and adhd and I started to question everything I’m my life but even before that t wanted to be the tuff strong man to protect my two sisters and mom when my uncle pasted . Long sleep less nights I had found this channel and And started unpacking everything and took a look at my self and realize and a long time waiting then told her not my sisters thought. I know my twin would except me she the one that called me a nickname that a man would be called . It always warmed my heart ❤️ .My little sister I don’t know probably not good so yeah but they ain’t realized my undershirt my mom gave me it made my chest more flat and when I saw it I light up with a smile 😁. And it’s comfortable well till I get my binder and everything else later on especially on medicine Im on medication already so yeah. Edit :my twin found out and asked me long story short I’m expected of my sexuality but not if I’m trans for my moms sake so yeah
and that's all any trans person has asked from society! nobody expects to be like "i think i might be trans, CHOP THE TITS OFF IMMEDIATELY." people KNOW it takes time to explore the options, try out different gender expressions, see what feels right and what doesn't. in fact he's wrong when he says it's like a test where there are no right answers and all wrong answers. the right answer is "what feels right."
@John C You're going to have a rough time if trans people upset you that much that you have to come to a channel like this to spew your ridiculous nonsense. I envy you in a way. Must be nice to have absolutely no problems in life that you are that concerned about how other people live their lives.
As someone who is adopted, hearing him basically call birthparents your real parents raised and eyebrow. Like no, I've met my birthparents thrice ever. They aren't my parents🤨 Let alone that you can change your family. A family is a group of people who love and trust each other deeply. Sometimes it's not the one at your house.
You can definitively measure things like height, weight, sex, etc, etc. They are physical traits. You cannot measure gender because it is not necessarily a physical attribute, but a variable that you can alter and express in a variable manner. Edit: I mean sex as in your agab
you can measure it using a Gendermeter where you can measure the level of Gender Those with more than 15 gender are Women Those with EXACTLY 4 gender are Men All others are nb
Even measuring sex is a weird territory What are we defining it through? Chromosomes? There are cis men with XX chromosomes and cis women with XY ones, and there's even other variations such as XXY or XYY Hormones? They can be artificially altered Genitalia? It can be artificially altered Capability of bearing children? That's erasing infertile people What I'm tryna say is that "biological sex" is not a monolith and it's actually fluid just like gender Sorry for the rant, I completely agree with you, gender should definitely not be treated as something simple and measurable
@@azurabbit12 intersex transfem here, can confirm sex is a weird fluid and you should drink atleast 1L water per dayt to replentish it /j [aside, the amounth of plot twists i've gotten sofar is insane, dna be weird]
@@azurabbit12 you can get down to a specific gene and its receptor being an absolute measure of biological sex, but considering 99.99% of people never get that test it’s not relevant. They are trying to be prescriptive of gender rather than descriptive. They work backwards from their conclusion. When they say “you can’t be trans height” they ignore that height is just height. Height describes a measure of people. If you want to be strictly descriptive of sex, fine, but then sex is just sex. All it describes is sex. Their fallacy is trying to prescribe more attributes to it. Like “sex -> pronoun” “sex -> fashion” “sex -> bathroom” sex -> rights” they are falsely prescribing attributes (gender) based on sex. A descriptive view of the world shows that sex and gender are not the same: that one’s biology is not the sole determining factor of gender. Instead transphobes engage in pathological science
Measure is such a vague word that can mean so many different things that you can by technicality measure gender but how you measure it would need to include all possibilities of what gender could be.
i wish more youtubers would have the balls to make videos dissecting transphobia instead of vaguely sitting on the fance so they don't alienate some part of their audience
I mean, swing more over towards the content of people like Noah Samsen and the little community around Jessie Gender and Swolesome* and the like and you'll find some more vocal peeps (probably because Jessie and Swolesome are both trans). Or even sometimes Kurtis Connor will make explicit comments in his videos about transphobia being stupid and stuff.
Personally, I wish I had fewer balls. But there are plenty of TH-camrs (some with balls, some without) who are making videos about transphobia: Philiosophy Tube, Shaun, Ty Turner, Sam Collins, Ponderful, Emma Thorne, Savy Writes Books, Olurinatti, Table Politics, Fundie Fridays, Caelan Conrad.
Well, his entire personality is founded about that fact. Besides that this would be a channel about am awkward tall girls who does not know how to be famous
@@BlueTressym I also suspect that, much like anything made of organic matter, he would not much care to be near gamma radiation, which, despite also being invisible, is very real.
@@johnc3525wow or maybe because those kid get their gender affirming care and their body look more like the gender they identify? It could just be pure coincidence tho🙄
We can't see depression or addiction either, so does that mean they're not real? Those kinds of videos scare me, because it's very easy to fall for the professional graphics and confident white man if you aren't well educated. I'm trans myself and have a lot of internalized transphobia, so even I find it tempting to believe this crap sometimes.
Plenty of folks don't think depression or mental illness is real. Sometimes it is a cultural thing. In South America and many Asian countries for example. Even when people accept it as real, they lack any kind of understanding on how it works.
Remember: no one can know who you are better than you do. You are the highest authority on your own identity. No matter what fancy words they use, at the end of the day their claim is that they could take one glance at theshape of your genitalia at birth and tell you who you are based on that. And that is inane. You are the highest authority on yourself. They are a million facts about you that are unchangeable and that no one can know better than you. When those people say you are wrong about your own gender, it's like saying a left handed person that they are wrong to consider their left hand as their dominant hand, that theiy truly are right handed like everyone else and writing their left hand is just a bad habit they need to lose. For a long time left handed people were acually treated like that, made to feel shame for favoring their left hand, told that it was immoral, that only right handeness was right and natural. But we know it's silly right? A left handed person writing with their left hand is just as natural as a right handed person writing with their right hand. And a trans person living as the oposite gender of their AGAB is as natural as a cis person living as their AGAB. In both case people doing what they knowto be better for them is what's natural. I hope this helps.
There are people who claim depression isn't real and sadly, I know about them from experience. Hang in there; don't let the bastards grind you down. You are who you know you are and facts don't care about transphobes' feelings.
Actually we can see depression as it changes the chemistry of our brains. But depression is an illness that's 1) curable 2) causes suffering Being transgender is a state, it's not curable as far as we know, and doesn't really causes suffering, the society that doesn't accept us does. I felt pretty happy being non-binary until all these transphobes appeared suddenly and now I face negativity daily, constantly questioning myself and experiencing the harshest kicks of gender dysphoria in my whole life. I honestly don't understand why they just can't let us be, what bad things does my existence even do to them for me to take so much hate
Just as our age increases every year, our weight changes depending on what we eat and our height develops as we grow. Our gender can change as we develop through our lifes
+ we can say that our perception of people ages and height and other things are different than what they are, so why is gender the one thing they want to box up?!
My feet shrunk with one size after I became an adult. It was the weirdest thing. I stopped growing at 13. Then, several years later, my shoe size was too big for my foot. Before, the smaller size had been too small. I also have heterochromia, but I've met people who don't believe me because the colours are so dark it can be hard to see.
"Feelings don't determine reality." An employee tells the boss: "I FEEL sick, I'm calling out sick today." Boss: "I think you're lying, show up or you're fired." The employee shows up with puke all over them and asks to go home. Boss: "You really expect me to believe that's real puke? Change and get to work." The employee pukes on the boss. Boss: "You did that on purpose! You're fired!!" Some people (the boss in the example above and the person being reacted to) just refuse to accept reality if it is more convenient and/ or they have the possibility to benefit from it (like transphobes confirming the bias of other transphobes). In my experience, those same people will usually never admit they're wrong when facts are presented (they just keep gaslighting), and they almost never apologize for anything. So debating them (9 times out of 10) is a massive waste of time. 😹The example above might not be perfect but I thought it was worth sharing. ☮💙
Exactly! When you're trans, the dysphoria, the need to appear more "feminine" or "masculine", and the high number of identifiable emotional responses are like what the symptoms are to being sick. You can't see sickness, only the consequent symptoms of being sick. Although maybe it isn't very nice to compare being trans to begin sick, just saying.
@@marcelinepink I agree and understand what you mean and I didn't mean it in a negative way. I did state that what I said wasn't a perfect example; I was trying to compare a transphobe denying reality and I'm def not saying trans people are wrong or sick (I am trans nonbinary myself). I have a hard time expressing myself because my anxiety is very bad and I just wanted to share my thoughts that I came up with from being inspired from watching this video and wanted to help by commenting. I'm sorry if I offended you (or anyone who reads this) that was not my intention. ☮
"It's not possible to feel like a woman," uh-oh, somebody better go and tell Shania Twain that pronto! It's interesting, I just finished writing an entire research paper on gender, all the different identities, pronouns and the importance of using the correct pronouns....and then I turn on TH-cam and there's a new Jammi video, debunking transphobic babble. It's like a sign from the trans gods that my paper is well written lol
Could you happen to share your paper? I'd like to read it. I'm currently in the "not understanding trans/NB but respects and supports it" mindset. I work with a lot of people that identify as non-binary and trans and I think it would help me to know why and how they feel this way. Thanks!
“FEELINGS DON’T DETERMINE REALITY ANYWHERE ELSE” That’s right feelings don’t determine reality. What they do is SENSE reality. Can you imagine living in a world where we never took someone’s feeling as fact? “I’m hungry.” “Sorry, I don’t believe feelings.” “I’m cold.” “What? I’m just supposed to BELIEVE you’re cold because that’s what you feel? I believe too much in science to dignify that with respect!”
What is the difference between physical sensations of cold and or hunger that come from the most primative part of the brain the reptiilain brain, and are survival mechanisms, and emotions/feelings such as happy, sad, guilty. ashamed, embarassed, surprised, joyful, rejected, lonely, frustrated, angry, disappointed, discusted, etc?
@@vickils9571 I would argue, gender (body) dysphoria is a sense of something wrong happening to your body, its basicly the same reaction when something unknown would grow visibly under your skin. Also depression is a disorder based and diagnosed around/via feelings (just like gender dysphoria). And we still treat depression and dont argue if its right to treat it.
@@celinematerzok6421 Hello, I am a bit confused by what you said, but I think the reason is you don't understand what depression is. Let me clarify it for you. One symptom of depression (which is not enough to diagnose depression) is a sad, low, depressed mood. I did not say feeling depressed I said mood. The reason for that is when someone is suffering from Major Depressive Disorder they don't just feel occasionally down, the mood is long lasting, but one needs other symptoms such as changes in appetite, issues with sleep, loss of interest or pleasure in things previously enjoyed, etc. So, how is depression treated? The best course of action is medication combined with therapy. The gold standard for treatment is Cognitive (that is addressing distorted thinking) and Behavioral (addressing behavioral patterns that disrupt one's life. The therapy is CBT, other forms are DBT, or ACT. The first thing that is taught in the COGNITIVE therapies is for people to become aware of the thoughts that are contributing to their depression or anxiety, and then teaching them how to challenge those thoughts (which if you were not aware are notorious liars. I have a tee shirt that says don't believe everything you think just for that reason. The "feeling" isn't even addressed. Only the factors that contribute to feeling dysphoric which are the thoughts and behaviors. My main point is we need to make sure that people who are making life altering decisions that ARE NOT reversable have had assessments and therapy first. And that children get left alone.
@@vickils9571 I'm also a bit confused that you think i dont know what depression is. Let me clarify a few things for you. The reason i chose depression as something similiar to gender dysphoria is because of OP "feelings dont determine reality [...]". The statement makes depression not a reality and therefore doesnt exist, at least from my stand point. What doesnt exist also doesnt need treatment but we still treat depression in a way that has the highest chance of success. But for Gender dysphoria your advocating for the least effective treatment with a success rate very close to 0%, if you want to increase the chances of "success" you can use methods of torture to induce self hate so the person thinks its disgusting to be themselfs. This method is famously kbown as conversion therapy. It doesnt cure, it doesnt treat, it just makes everything worse. Thats the reason medical associations use gender affirming care, it isnt perfect but it has the highest success rate of alleviating gender dysphoria from all known treatments. I still dont understand why transphobic ppl want to change neurology of gender dysphoric ppl when its easier to change the body. Both camps seem to want to change biology, it seems.
@@celinematerzok6421 Final follow up, first of all I NEVER said gender dysphoria was not real! Second, depressed mood is only one symptom among a host of other symptoms that must be present for diagnosis of depression. One MUST have a minimum of five symptoms that occur everyday, all day for a minimum of two weeks.
THIS. This right here! It always annoys me when someone says, "Facts don't care about your feelings", as if human beings weren't extremely complicated creatures and facts/ science isn't changing all the time (Stupid example, but IS or ISN'T Pluto a planet?😂). And there's still so much about the human mind we don't know or understand yet. Besides, why deny the world seahorse daddies? They just sound...so cute! 😭❤️
@@joycelinlgbtq you don't "feel" like punching him in the face. Punching one in the face is not a feeling. Feelings are one word, happy, sad, angry, hurt, disappointed, surprised, etc. The correct way to talk about an actual act of violence against another human being that you are effectively dehumanising and othering would be, Ben Shapiro makes me so ANGRY, I want to punch him in the face. See the difference?
This kind of people is so exhausting. Really, it's way more a "I don't want to understand that because I don't want it to be real and I will try to justify that." I'm a cis woman and I get bored and exhausted by that kind of stuff, so I really can't fathom how much energy it can rob out of a transgender person. I would ask a few questions to that man. - Did you ever question if you were a boy / decided that you were going to be a man? - if not, just imagine experiencing yourself as you are but having a female body, everybody calling you Mrs, Miss, Madam, ... People telling you you should stop being ridiculous, that they can see you're a woman, and that you should go back cooking for your husband. All this while still experiencing yourself as you are right now, so a man. And although you correct people, you try to present as a man, binding, wearing baggy clothes, ... people keep telling you you're a woman, that there's no such thing as what you're experiencing. And tell me after how long of that treatment you'll start feeling like you're a woman. I'd say never, because your gender identity is not something you can change. So stfu! Seriously, if people could try for a second to put themselves in other people's shoes and try to understand that their reality is not universal, the world would be a better place.
'Feelings don't determine reality' bro has never told anyone he feels sick before. He has to logically prove his illness without going to see a medical professional with his irrelevant 'feelings'.
I wasn't born in the wrong body, I was just born in the version that wasn't modded and upgraded to my liking. I haven't finished with my character customization screen before being born, so now I have to pay to finish doing that!
@@Sh1garak1s_alt It's called Life, so I've been told. The graphics are lovely in some areas but the tutorial is nonsensical and the gameplay difficulty is randomised for everyone who plays.
you got a tutorial? I was getting one but then it got skipped when i was 3-4 💀 been trying to ask npc’s for help but all they wanna do is send me on bullshit side quests
@@Sh1garak1s_alt The tutorial usually stops around then, and then I think there was supposed to be a mid-game tutorial at 18, but I think they took it out and added it to some kind of community-made dlc, and to be fair those people also most likely haven't figured out all of the new mechanics, so it isn't the best, but at least it is something. In some regions you have to paid for that dlc tho, at at least convince someone you know to lend you their copy.
"... Then man and woman can be born into ANY kind of body." YES! That's what we've been saying this whole time! You're so close! Forget the "wrong body" thing. You're SO close!
Feelings determine fact in a lot of places. Basically any described emotion works this way. If I feel sad then I am sad. Lots of medical symptoms work this way too. A doctor can't determine factually if you are having a migraine, they have to go off your word about what you're feeling.
I think these fools genuinely believe that your feelings have nothing to do with your biology. Never once do they consider the brain as a chemist taking a bunch of orders to prescribe chemicals for certain purposes.
Well, no, people who have depression feel sad for no reason. They feel reality in a distorted way. Also, physical feelings are different than emotional feelings. Obviously.
@@johnc3525 it's all chemicals in the brain, dude. It's not 'for no reason'. Emotions are just as real as anything else in the body. We just lack the technology to measure it from the outside in order to medically confirm what someone says they feel. Just because we don't know how to measure it doesn't mean it isn't real.
"Feelings don't determine reality everywhere else" He's SO close. He's on the verge of a breakthrough. He is the equivalent of that meme with the car drifting onto what is clearly the wrong path purely for the sake of justifying his own views while ignoring evidence from literally everything else that proves the exact opposite.
Yeah, I love how that whole point only proves that your gender identity doesn't change your assigned sex, and doesn't doesn't do anything to prove that your feelings can't indicate your gender identity
I agree. Also: a person's feelings are very much a part of their reality! Does he not thing that feelings of romantic love and sexual attraction are reality?
Every single time they say that giving birth is what makes a woman, I get greatly upset because one of my sisters was hit by a car and it rendered her unable to have children and I think, "how dare they say my sister isn't a woman through no fault of her own!" It's offensive and insensitive. And I know my sister isn't the only cisgender woman to have problems with the ability to give birth and so I feel disgusted they are literally insulting a huge swathe of cis women, let alone Trans women who also can't give birth. It's shameful. (Oh, also this video appears to be the product of Prager U. They use that giant question mark at the beginning of every one of their videos I've had the misfortune to watch.)
Not believing in a thing you can't see... Ironic, since so many transphobes hide behind "religion." Yes, I'm a religious lady. I believe in a non-corporeal deity and 2 of my 3 kids are trans. And just because I gave birth does NOT mean that's what defines a woman! Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk. 🙏❤🏳🌈🏳⚧
Honestly, bringing up adoption really disproves his whole argument. If "family" is biological and not a social construct then when you get married to someone your spouse is not your family (hopefully). If you have a parent who remarried, only one of them is your childs grandparent if we're going off biology. Yet somehow everyone accepts that those people are family. Granted, to me personally not all blood is family, and not all family is blood.
Family in the strict sense is used in genetics to describe a group of people who are tightly genetically related by birth. The broader use of family means a group that has some kind of close connection between members.
@@johnc3525 Woman in the strict sense is used to describe a person who exhibits female sex traits. The broader use of woman means an individual that interacts with their society using the cultural ideas of womanhood in their society
2:04 This is true. But more than that: if the person is a stranger to you, it shouldn't matter to you if you don't know their gender. The only sort of occasion that springs to mind where you might need to ask is when being introduced to somebody.
it's wild to me that they get so hung up on this. like, they have NEVER had a problem sharing a bathroom with a trans person, because you know it's happened and they just didn't realize because YOU CAN'T TELL TRANS PEOPLE FROM CIS PEOPLE. plus in the course of them trying to "root out trans people" they've inadvertently declared war against ugly/non-conforming cis people. like, you got me, i was born with a vagina and i still identify as a woman but i clearly must be trans because i inherited my dad's square jawline. and my best friend has also been a woman her entire life but she had to have a hysterectomy following decades of crippling endometriosis so i guess she's not a woman anymore either. but she doesn't have a penis and she doesn't identify as male so she's not a cis/trans man... what IS she then?!
"The only way to know someone's gender is by asking." Yes, especially for agender, bigender, genderfluid, or genderqueer (deepest apologies if I forgot or am unaware of anyone).
@@purpleunicorn87 Aren't you the people who say gender is made up, gender roles aren't real, men and women are the same thing? Then why should I know your gender if it doesn't matter to you? If you look weird I'll assume you're gender crazy and assume your gender doesn't matter.
As a cis man (mostly), the idea that "it's not possible to feel" like a man just annoys me so much. When I feel like a man, I feel like a man, period. If those transphobes are unsure about their own feelings and gender, that's on them. Honestly, I can't imagine what it must be for trans people to hear this...
As someone who has had to deal with an ED, I HATE that comparison. Trying to convince the person that they aren’t overweight does nothing. It’s all about dealing with the causes behind it, which is so much different
It's such a shame that the definition of pain all involves feelings ultimately. I guess pain doesn't exist. I'm glad this "logic" applies so helpfully to so much. *rolls eyes*
There’s no problem with being logical about anything. There is a problem when people use the idea of being logical in order to be hurtful towards others. Logic should be used to help the LGBTQ community be treated as normal. Because at the end of the day. That’s what we are. Normal.
@@johnc3525 If the same logic applies. Pain is determined almost exclusively based on what the person says it is. Emotions are determined almost exclusively based on what the person says they are. Both are real for the same reasons. People know how they feel better than strangers, friends, and sometimes even family.
Jamie, I love how eloquently you speak and how easily you break down ridiculous conversations. I can never find the right words to make people listen. I have referred some people in my life to your channel in the hopes of education but I doubt they will even bother trying 😔 Much love 💜
Almost no word in the dictionary has only one, rigid, set-in-stone definition with zero gray area or subjectivity. The entire premise of their argument falls apart immediately.
Yay! I have pre ordered your book on Audible! Look forward to reading as I help my youngest child trying to navigate the big changes but also the smaller ones that seem to pop up from nowhere as the parent of a trans child, let alone what my trans teen is going through themselves! I was out with my LGBT+ social group last weekend and the fact I have a 15 year old trans child came up with a fellow lesbian, she was so badly informed about what treatment is available and when for trans children. Didn’t understand how puberty blockers worked or how it is basically impossible to even get them at a time that is actually helpful. She didn’t understand that hormones are not given to children and there are mad steps to take before they prescribed even then. She was at least open enough to ask question and be surprised by many of the answers so I hope I have set her on a better path 🤷♀️. It’s just so sad to see this in the LGBT+ community. We should know a whole lot better. /end sad rant ☺️🤭
0:04 Me, my friends, my cousin, his boyfriend, and everyone else aren’t an “ism” 2:36 YES! I saw a thing and it said that being trans or trans people have been around since 1600 B.C. 11:05 the definition of a woman (according to urban dictionary) is “not a man”, the definition of a man (again, urban dictionary) is “not a woman”.
I had someone at work try to be TERFy when the conversation came around to trans and I wasn’t having any of it. I knew exactly what he wanted me to say and I refused to tell him what he wanted. One counter I used when he said ‘what do you call a man calling himself a woman?’ I said ‘a clerical error on a cosmic level’ after already using woman as the correct answer. People like that make me so mad.
Assuming you're a man, Douglas, then you'd perfectly fine dating, marrying and having kids (oops, can't), maybe adopt kids, with Joe who calls himself Joan? You're fine calling his a*hole a vagina?
"our feelings don't determine anything else" except... it does? i have anxiety. my anxiety is determined by my thoughts and thought patterns. my depression is determined by my thoughts and thought patterns. without my thoughts i wouldn't be waiting for an adhd diagnosis. if i could, by some miracle, ignore my thoughts, i would! there is nothing nice or fun about thinking the way i do.
Your thoughts are also determinded by your actions. If you run for a few hours a day you have less energy to obsess over irational ideas. The first option for depression/anxiety is diet and excersise yet almost all doctors use medication as a first response.
The trans argument is so weird. Like, if there's a person who has pink hair but is naturally blonde, you would describe them as "the one with pink hair". You know what's confusing? Describing someone as blonde and continuing to describe them as "the blonde one" when there are clearly no blondes in sight. Nobody goes "BuT gENetIcS" when someone changes their hair colour but an amab person puts on a dress and suddenly nature is broken.
@Stripes you just agreed with an argument saying trans people are valid then went on to be transphobic. Can you even read? Did you drop out of preschool?
@Stripes so if someone is trans, but passes perfectly, they should still go into the changing room of their biological sex? Imagine blaire white in the men's changing room. Google her if you don't know her.
"Feelings don't determine reality anywhere else" "Hey, my mom died yesterday and I've been really sad latel-" "YOU'RE NOT SAD!! Facts don't care about your feelings, you are not sad!"
“So anything you can’t see doesn’t exist?” When this is their argument, reply immediately with “Can you see God?” and watch them have a conniption over the implication that they just said God doesn’t exist. 😅
Argued with transphobes, and what i learned is that they have one or two basic misunderstandings of what trans is and cannot get past that, which makes them make a bunch of conflations that make no sense to someone who actually understands what it is. You can't help people like that, unless they take the time to do the research themselves and change their understanding without trying to reaffirm their biases no matter what. It is just mental gymnastics
It's always interesting to see people refer to being trans as a "new" thing. I'm Mapuche, and Mapuche culture has existed for about ten thousand years at least - we've always recognised the existence of nonbinary and trans people, and so do a lot of other Native American cultures... the reason why transphobia even exists in my zone is colonization
I am a cis het woman and cannot get pregnant. Those sorts of statements make me feel like I don't get to define myself thusly, simply because I can't squirt out mini-mes. He's offending more than just the transgender folk he's afraid of. I am also a heavyset woman, and I say that our weight IS under our control. He's so wrong about so many things, ugh.
Yes, transphobia effects everyone, not just trans people. Cis women get stopped at bathrooms because people think they're trans, there are the transvestigators that in the process of trying to out trans celebrities are also humiliatingly cis ones, and already in some states masculine cis girl athletes are being subjected to invasive exams to make sure they are in fact cis. Its all horrendous.
@@paulthompson9668 there are many definitions of women varying, do you want a trans woman, a cis woman, or what? ill give you those 2 but, if you want a different one. just ask. cis woman: someone who was born a woman and still identifies as a woman trans woman: someone who was born a man, but experienced gender dysphoria and transitioned to a woman. glad i can help oh also: cis man: someone who was born a man and still identifies as a man trans man: someone who was born a woman, but experienced gender dysphoria and transitioned to a man.
“You have to peel a banana to eat it, you have to peel an orange to eat it, apples and pears are also fruits so you must have to peel them to eat them too!” That’s exactly what the common comparison to anorexia and schizophrenia transphobes make really looks like, if you use a more widely understood example like fruits.
Bananas are berries 🤪 strawberries are a type of rose. Tomato is a fruit. Birds are dinosaurs, but a triceratop was not. Sharks are fish, jellyfish is not. Yet a lot of people use the wrong term because it feels right 🙃 and we let them.
@@CactusMuffin Language, yes. Scientific classifications tend to be more rigid. Like, corn is a type of grass. As is wheat. We call them grains because we can eat them. Bamboo is also a type of grass, but people think of it as wood.
I’ve said it once, I’ll say it a thousand times, thank you so much Jamie for debunking transphobia. We need you and people like you to refuse to let the middle be influenced through sneaky tactics. I don’t understand why people hate us so much and and want to get rid of us. It sucks so much. Thank you Jamie.
The whole "tell me what a woman is" thing cracks me up because it's the exact exercise we did in SO MANY linguistics classes to demonstrate how language is used intuitively without necessarily carrying the full knowledge of the thing being talked about. And also to demonstrate the challenge of linguistics and how it isn't enough to use our own perceptions to draw linguistic conclusions, but we must observe many instances of many people in many circumstances using the language and DESCRIBE what they are using it for, then we define rules that should predict all correct instances of that word being used in all circumstances of native speakers using it. And if it can't, then it is incorrect and needs to be re-written. Only we usually used other words. In my classes, we often attempted to define "bird" and "cookie" - and we could never come up with a consensus because every time the whole class agreed on one, the prof would either show us an example of the word being used by native speakers outside our definition OR would give us examples of things that can be included in our definition but are obviously NOT the thing we just defined. You can do this with basically ANY WORD yet we still use words all the time and generally know what we're talking about when we say them to each other. Edit: this exercise was also used to demonstrate the concept of prototypes in linguistics. Which is the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of any word. So when you think "bird" you usually don't think "penguins" right away - penguins are birds, but they are not prototypical birds. Same with cookies. Fig newtons are often considered cookies, but the prototypical cookie is usually chocolate chip. Different cultures will also often have different prototype things (individuals also sometimes have different mental prototypes, but for these exercises we usually would ask a large group and see what thing most of them say).
Something that doesn't quite make sense to me is the need for there to be something unique to women. Like, im not going to be less of a woman just because i dont have a thing i can point to that is not allowed for men to do/have
The best "What is a Woman?" video I ever saw was one by Lonerbox. He said that there isn't one single thing that makes a woman a woman. Rather, a woman is someone who is similar to other women. And there are a lot of different ways to be similar. You have to consider the totality of what women are, and not boil it down to a single characteristic.
"Feelings don't determine reality anywhere else." By this logic, mental illness doesn't exist. They are trying to define transness as a mental illness whilst containing an argument that invalidates mental illness. Also, are they arguing that love doesn't exist because it's a feeling? Trying to reword "facts don't care about your feelings" just makes it even worse of an arguing point for these kinds of people because their entire stance is emotional. "Ew trans" is their entire point, and it is a completely emotional one.
I haven’t watched all the way through, but I figured I’d like to say my thing about “feeling like a man or a woman”. It really means you feel happier as a man than you do as a woman for trans men and vice versa for trans women. (I’ll stick with the trans man example as that’s what I’m most familiar with) to feel like a man it means to feel happier when you’re “treated as a man” and “look like a man” than when you’re “treated as a woman” and “look like a woman.” I say those in quotes because what being treated as a man is, and what looking like a man is, is a social construct that we have sort of internalized. Edit: I’d also like to add another thing. Earlier in the video they talk about how we treat body dysmorphia differently to gender dysphoria. The difference is that with body dysmorphia the feelings often grow worse as you progress towards your goal, feeling like you’re going backwards when in reality you’re going too far forward. With gender dysphoria you feel better as you go towards your goal and feel like you’re going forward. And gender dysphoria had been proven to have the best cure be affirming care, while with body dysmorphia the proven treatment is therapy to get rid of these feelings.
Not to mention that most types of body dysmorphia is negative mental self. They cannot see the reality of their body properly and the image they see in their minds distresses them. Where as the near opposite is true for gender dysphoria, they have a positive mental self and yet when faced with the reality of their body, become distressed by that reality. And when treatment eventually managed to change that reality they show near immediate signs of improvement. Because reality is beginning to match their mental image. This is also true of a specific type of body dysmorphia, often felt by people who remove their breasts to avoid/get rid of breast cancer. They are then recommended surgery and now that reality matches their perception they feel better. Gender dysphoria in relation to body more closely matches the body dysmorphia of people who have already removed or changed certain parts of themselves. It is not comparable to the more common types of dysmorphia that cause negative mental self image.
In some cases the adopted kid can see their bio parents as their parents, one of my friends got disowned by their adopted parents but even before that they got disowned they only call their bio parents their parents
The first definition of "woman" in Mirriam Webster Dictionary is "adult human female." The first definition of "female" is " of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs." Pay attention to those words: "Of" "relating to" "typically." It shows that it's not rigid, there's nuance, it depends on context. And the second definition of "female" is "Having a gender identity that is the opposite of male." Not only do these people refuse to provide their own definition of "woman" or "female", but they won't even look it up themselves.
"feelings don't determine reality." how to say you're a terrible parent without saying you abuse your kids emotionally. one hopes this fool hasn't gotten anyone pregnant yet.
Not just that but like... in this case the reality being discussed is feelings? Like? Just because they're not an object doesn't mean they're outside of reality, otherwise physics has always been a waste of time.
That's funny because feelings do determine reality. Feelings determine what decisions we make,what we believe in,what our favorite color is and more things. These people who believe this are either abusive or just straight up ignorant on psychology and what feelings actually do in terms of reality
This black and white thinking reminds me a little of me in my egg phase, I thought things like "I'm a guy and I can't change that, and that is just the way things are", back then.
Yeah no, transphobia has not “always” existed. There is a period in time across all cultures where trans people were celebrated if not outright considered sacred or holy. Even in the hyper-patriarchal Roman culture there was the Galli.
It's definitely not normalized in Denmark or Canada. You spout off transphobia either place you're gonna find yourself very unwanted in the vast majority of places. Even the conservatives here quickly learned not to spout off transphobic comments if they want to keep their seats in government.
Wanna know a fun fact? Us Indians have a community of people that are intersex, trans, etc. We call them hijras and throughout our culture we respected them. In fact, they were honored as great artists, dancers and musicians. We knew they were real and we knew they were just ordinary people like us. They had jobs in royal courts as dancers, teachers, so much more. Even some of our deities were intersex. Then everything went to shit. Britishers kinda just ruined our education system, stole our economic possessions like jewelry and precious metals and just went full-on invasion mode. They looked at hijras and started targeting them because intersex and trans people were less common outside of India (or they were just disguised to fit in the binary). People started accepting this harassment as the new normal, that it was okay to discriminate against them. Flashforward to modern day India, intersex/trans people have been thrown to the roads and get made fun of. They're unable to get an education or employment because of their 'unusual' bodies. They're called slurs and made fun of. They're getting killed. It's honestly just horrible. Worst part is, despite our culture giving them so much respect and importance, barely anyone's doing anything. Look at the scriptures, their existence is normal. They were even celebrated as holy people. Look at the present. Just horrible, how we keep preaching India's culture and religious diversities and keep ignoring reality. A small add-on related to Ancient Greek culture. Even those guys knew gender identity is real. Look at Dionysus (commonly known to be the god of wine), the god of those that are unsure about their gender. So yeah, transphobia is the new thing, not being trans. We've always been here, fellas. Look at Dr. Alan Hart.
Transphobia has only existed as long as exclusionary gender norms have. It was only normalized in our cultures because our colonizers decided there’s only two kinds of people.
As a molecular biologist specializing in genetic research, it infuriates me when people use their simplified 5th grade biology to justify their shitty arguments about gender.
Thank you SO MUCH for breaking down and explaining all the terms and the reasonings. I know what I feel, but expressing that can get complicated and confusing, so thanks again for breaking it into layman's terms!
OK speaking as an older trans person? "Born in the wrong body" is EXACTLY how I felt. But his argument doesn't hold because I believe you can change not just your gender, but your sex too. My body is not male but neither is it female anymore. My sex is transman (and my gender is man).
Personally I believe you can change your sex (mostly, not completely) but you can't change your gender. If you could change your gender, then conversion therapy would work, but it doesn't. "Born in the wrong body" seems like a good way to explain it, because being trans means your gender and sex don't match, and since you can't change your gender, it's the body which is "wrong" and needs to be changed.
coming from a trans person who is also adopted, the biological parents argument is hilariously one of the worst examples that guy could have picked, which jamie explained pretty well 🙌
@Tracey Coles You are a woman for as long as you identify as one. The people who define women as only those able to give birth are also excluding pre-pubescent girls or people born with female anatomy who are otherwise infertile due to hysterectomy or scarring in the fallopian tubes from Chlamydia and the egg never reaches the uterus. They are only capable of the most limited thought processes, the people who assert that "baby machine" equals female/woman
This is a comment I made on a David G. McAfee post, thought I did pretty well for the limited medium. I'd think if I had a full TH-cam videos worth of time it would have been even easier. Hi! Ciswoman here. Heard you needed one. Biological sex does present in the binary the large majority of the time. I've never denied that and in my 40 something years that's been the same for most of my peers. There is a difference between cis gender women and trans gender women. I wrote it out for you, cis meaning same, and trans meaning different. There is also something else we can see there, I wrote women twice. That wasn't a mistake. And just for fun I made another thing very clear, the word gender. Someone can be the same gender and sex, that's what I am, someone can be the "opposite" gender from their sex, and sometimes people can be a bit of a mix of all of the above, nonbinary, intersex, etc. Transgender is also a medical term. This means that the "man in a dress using the woman's bathroom" idea from the right is a logical fallacy. Men still don't belong in women's bathrooms, but transwomen do. I've never in my life felt in danger in the presence of a transwoman, but I've been assaulted multiple times by men. I think that covered it all. I don't expect it to mean very much to many of you, but it's there for anyone that needed to hear from a cishetwoman. I'm going to go eat a salad now lol.
The bathroom argument is so egregiously stupid. One thing I've seldom heard but often thought to myself when these loons spout off their bs is that men don't need to go to the lengths of disguising themselves as women/claiming to be women and going into women-only spaces to assault women because most places are NOT women-only. There are more than enough opportunities for men to commit these crimes without resorting to pretending to be a woman. Doing so is so ridiculously unnecessary that no one has any reason to do something that is such a hassle, if not outright dangerous precisely because of all the transphobes. That's not even getting started on the fact that most people are assaulted by people they know, not random strangers they might meet in a public loo. According to these kinds of people, transgender women are not only immoral men but also, they are determined to conduct their immorality in a way that requires an absurd amount of hassle and opens them up to harassment, assault, and worse.
@@BlueTressym Not only that, but also, if everyone has to use the bathroom of their AGAB, then there will be trans men in the ladies' room. In that case, cis men won't have to disguise themselves at all. They could just walk right into the ladies' room, and everyone would assume they are trans men.
I’m from the states, unfortunately, Missouri to be exact. Even in the bigger cities we still have SO MUCH transphobia and hate all around. It’s so sad and scary. Thank you Jamie for helping me feel less overwhelmed with the world around me.
I can't imagine what will happen to this guy's "logical" world view when he discovers the existence of cis women with PCOS, intersex people, or even something as simple as the concept of an abstract noun, whose sole purpose is describing and naming things that cannot be directly perceived with the five senses..
The "no right answer means no wrong answers" thing is so stupid, even outside of the context of transness. There's no one right way to make art, but shitting on a piece of canvas is definitely wrong. There's no one right way to cook a meal, but serving raw chicken is clearly wrong. There are so many things that don't have a right way to do, but there are things that are clearly wrong.
Yeah it's like it's not wrong to put the milk in first or after when having tea, but replacing it with poison is wrong.
Also, as a teacher, I give tests with ‘no right answer, but there are wrong answers’ ALL THE TIME. Whenever my students answer free response questions that is *exactly* what is happening.
Yeah, it's like tortillas. There is no right way to cook it, you can cook it in a pan or in a oven.
However, it'd be wrong to cook it in a soup. Among other things.
your art example is wrong
@@atorsionx9406 tortilla soup is a real thing though, and it's delicious.
"transgenderism" isnt grammarly logical, transgender *people* are.
I used that word once upon a time… not in a derogatory way or anything, I just thought that was the right word. I’m educated now, don’t worry.
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How are you doing today. :3
people who use typically use the word "transgenderism" are just making an effort to dehumanize trans people so they don't have to face social repercussions for discriminating against an entire category of people based on hatred.
Look. I know you were trying to be mean…but you honestly reminded me about the bearded lady in the greatest showman.
It’s telling that instead of saying “Is being transgender logical” they’re using the term “Transgenderisim.” They aren’t looking at being trans as someone trying to be who they feel that they are, which is just self improvement affirmation of the self. They instead look at being trans as an opposing ideology. It’s a very strange mindset.
on another note I just hate how right wingers thing of ideology as a bad thing. sure, being pro-trans is an ideology as is LITERALLY EVERYTHING, if you ever string together multiple facts and come to a conclusion (like we do with all the current academic and medical knowledge on trans people!) that's an ideology, it's just weird right wingers thing you can escape ideology which is literally impossible
I think it's a poorly phrased question that puts both parties on the defensive. Maybe a better question would be "Does one person's self-identification as transgender impose obligations on other people who disagree with that self-identification?"
Transgenderism means being transgender. It is a real word.
@@bumblebeeyellowdragon It used almost exclusively by right wing media outlets. It is a word, but it also practically designed to make being trans sound scary to transphobes. Then again they all have Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia so I’m pretty sure any word with more than three syllables would either flummox or terrify them.
It's not as much an opposing ideology as much as it is them trying to make it seem like it is. These people acknowledge that there's more to being trans than "ideologies" but then don't actually fight anything on ideology, they fight things that trans people do, and the existence of trans people. If you'll notice, it's not common that people who use the term "transgenderism" or "gender ideology" to be fighting the thoughts or thought process of what being trans is, but they fight things like medical care, interactions with others (specifically children), and whether trans people exist. I've met so many people who say that trans people do exist, but can't get behind the ideology behind it. But if trans people exist separately from the ideology behind it, then what exactly is gender ideology? People will say "When you think you can become a girl or a boy" but just earlier these people said that trans people *do* exist. It's so fascinating the hurdles and obstacles and the teeny tiny spaces these people squeeze through to come up with arguments that just don't make sense.
Saying trans people are born in the wrong body is like when people tell kids that babies come from a seed in their parent's tummy, simplifying the concept to a level that can be understood by the target audience rather than giving them a thorough understanding.
It would be more accurate I think to say trans people are not a good fit for the bodies they were born with rather than saying "the wrong body".
true
Nobody said transgenderism is logical.
@@johnc3525 "transgenderism" doesn't exist lmao that's a dog whistle
True, there are no wrong body, just the wrong belief that we are going to descfribe them as others think and not how we see them
“Feelings don’t determine reality anywhere else in life”
Sir have you… lived? Literally almost every choice we make is determined by how we feel about things
Money isn't real. Laws aren't real. Companies aren't real. Nations aren't real. But for some reason, even though none of these things actually exist outside of people's heads, they all have a massive influence on people's lives.
Most economic and social structures were made by people feeling things out. Cultures are built off feelings.
So if someone sleeps with his wife, it's no different from him doing so?
what he means is that your feelings don't change reality at all. You can feel the earth is flat but that doesn't change the reality
@@noonespecial3536 okay then your feelings that trans people don't exist doesn't change the reality that they do.
In case anyone needs to know, Minnesota just passed laws that give protection for the trans community and we banned conversion therapy.
thank you mini soda 😊
@@akgfilming mini soda is in fact based
Which conversion therapy?
That's amazing, at least a couple states are doing the right thing.
@@rosieg6989 Which form of conversion therapy are you happy that Minnesota banned?
I wish more people were respectful of adoption. I feel like its the one thing you can still make casual jokes about and no one bats an eye
Casual jokes and also just straight up hate. See also Marjorie Taylor Green shouting at a mother who has adopted her children in a freaking *congressional hearing* of all places… 😩
@@Tustin2121 I mean describing MTG as a person is really stretching the definition.
@@tjenadonn6158 legit, she's more a sub human monster.
@@tranidite Now you're just insulting monsters.
Very true, yeah. Even little kids make jokes about their siblings/other kids they don't like being adopted. Adoption can be traumatic for many. Between the stuff they may have experienced before being adopted and also being 14 times more likely to be abused in their new home (maybe the parents had some "image" of what the child would have been like, which is why white baby girls are the most adopted demographic) and also probably feeling tortured by the fact that they'll never know a whole part of their heritage... this isn't the case for everyone of course but still I try not to pry too hard if I find out someone is adopted. Whole system needs to be seriously revamped.
Transgenderism is an odd term, but I can’t really talk because I forgot the word transitioned and told someone that I “committed transgender”
I'm crying😭
'commited transgender' 😂😂😂😂
The worst part was I said it to someone who I hadn’t seen in like 3 years 🥲
@@jaytheidiot79 oh no… but omg that’s funny!
I am going to commit transgender
The original video 100% comes off as "My deliberate misunderstanding of the situation is just as valid as your lived experience."
YEEEESSS!!!!
Or "I can make up a gender ideology to explain my mental illness and seem normal and you have to agree with me".
It should be understood as "feel as you like, don't pretend I have to care"
@@cristianproust
And by all lengths you would be socially considered a rude ass.
@Kylora ^^These guys just prove your point
“If there’s no clear definition of a man or woman, it’s not possible to feel like a woman”
I’m pretty sure there’s also no clear universal definition of what it means to feel happy, sad, angry, or feelings of love or friendship or what it’s like to feel a certain age or ethnicity. Yet nobody is arguing that those feelings aren’t real
@Stripes " life, liberty, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS" comes to mind 😂
@Stripes "yes, but no one is arguing that those abstract states should be protected in law"
Actually:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - The USA Declaration of Independence
there's no clear universal definition of financial success therefore it's not possible to be wealthy, checkmate billionaires
@Stripes You know... I had a few minutes to spent, so I DID look it up. Here's the findings:
While the Declaration of Independence recognizes the unalienable rights of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” and the Constitution explicitly protects life and liberty, happiness goes unmentioned in the highest law of the land.[1]
The Declaration has no standing in the legal system of the United States; nevertheless, the pursuit of happiness has an important role in American legal history, and is becoming increasingly significant internationally. Protections of the *pursuit of happiness have been written into various state and national constitutions*, and have even been *cited in some of the United States’ Supreme Court’s landmark decisions on marriage*. The emergence of legal protection for considerations of happiness, despite its omission in the supreme law of the land, demonstrates this right’s power in the American consciousness.
Although the explicit right to pursue happiness is absent from the Constitution of the United States, *it was not forgotten at the state level*. Less than a month prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the Virginia Convention of Delegates adopted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, which included a guarantee of the inherent right to “the enjoyment of life and liberty… and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.”
So... you are wrong.
@Stripes Yes they are, ethnicity and sexuality are protected in law, even though they don't have absolute definitions.
“We DoNt LeT fEeLiNgS dEtErMiNe OtHeR tHiNgS”
Religion
Political affiliation
Fashion
Our sense of Self
Morality
Taste
Love
Jokes on you, I don't have any of that 🥲
The whole identity is based of off feelings, but we don't let feelings determine reality so basically I don't exist
@@АлександраГришина-с5р whoa me neither! So do we just hang out in the void now or what?
@@bigjedimullet i think we hang out with all the "i have no pronouns, do not refer to me" schizoids.
They’re also letting feelings dictate the Law too, as of late… 🙃
I love how he's like, "well if there's nothing uniquely male/female, how do you know you're a man?" Like yeah, how do YOU know you're a man then? As a cis man myself, I just know. Honestly couldn't realy tell you much more than that. I swear if those transphobes just thought about this for one second, it would make much more sense to them. But they don't want to understand.
That's what sucks. They think that there *is* something uniquely male/female, and it always has to do with reproduction. That dude "knows" he's a man because he has a penis. That's as far as he thinks. When questioned on things like "What about dudes that are born with part of their genitals missing? Or who lose them to something like cancer or an accident? Or folks born with a penis but also ovaries?" his answer would be something like "but they did/would've been able to have a penis." Or "they look like a dude so they're a dude, as long as they weren't born with a vagina." Just the silliest possible lines drawn.
You are so right - they simply don't want to understand.
That's why "gender" is a myth and a mere social construct that is only needed by gender ideology people. It's not necessary to explain 99% of people's sex. You know you are your sex, you didn't have to make up a gender like transgenders. What is left is a mental illness that prevents people from recognizing their sex or wanting to live in a fantasy, which is totally fine, but not for everybody.
I know I'm a woman because I was born with a uterus. and I'm pretty sure if you asked him how he knows he is a man the answer would be something about physical/biological sex
We have to agree. When nobody questions what you think you are, then you are that. It is not that complicated
I hate how being transgender is called transgenderism and treated as an ideology even though it's quite literally who you are, even if we were to grant it's an illness (which it's not, gender dysphoria is) you still wouldn't say a person with heart problems believes in heartism and it isn't logical. Why is being trans so scrutinized?
sanism. Basically, people who are mentally ill, and people who are seen as mentally ill, are viewed as inherently irrational, dangerous and in need of controlling.
They need a new distraction, something else to worry about while real problems are swept under the rug.
because certain people love to point their problems at anything they don't understand
There's also a debate on whether gender dysphoria is actually a mental illness or not.
Gender Dysphoria is not even a mental illness, it is officially classified as a disorder like the Autism Spectrum.
You will never be a woman! This is not an accidental Ally moment, this is an intentional ally moment! You rock and keep up the good work
PREACH!!
Of course you will be a woman if you were born female, grew up to be a girl and then become a woman.
@@cristianproust Agreed. Jamie is a man. No matter how hard he may pretend, he will never be a woman.
@@cristianproust You typed the word 'what' so many times it sounds weird now
Also I don't understand you've confused me with all those what's
I almost had a heart attack until I realized your comment was for Jamie and not me.
Love your line, "Ive never heard of transgenderism". This new negative term is something being spread by conservatives to argue that they dont hate trans people, they just hate the being of trans. This doesnt make any sense, its just them saying "we arent transphobic" while they are.
literally replace it with judeism and it starts sounding familiar
No lol, transgenderism = the state of being transgender. There's nothing transphobic about it. It's like saying Jews X Judaism.
Literally had a transphobe saying “I’m not transphobic” while spilling all sorts of transphobia.
As an AFAB non binary person, I have never felt less connected to being a woman than I did when that clown started talking about how being able to give birth is what makes someone a woman. Super gross. His whole little infomercial for transphobia is bad, but that is the worst part for me
Transphobes: Stop saying "people who menstruate." Women aren't walking vaginas!
Also transphobes: Woman = adult with a vagina
Sorry that you don't like to face reality.
That is just a part of it. Is like a chair, if some parts start disappearing at some point is not a chair. A hand is supposed to have 5 fingers and a palm, sometimes the line between hand and stump is not clear, but we are not making words for it.
For the most part we recognize it when we see it, there is no interest in the general public for a debate, because we know when a spade it is a spade
@@johnc3525 My mother is no longer able to give birth; is she any less of a woman? My friend has never been able (and will never be able) to get pregnant or give birth; is she any less of a woman?
Well that sucks for you!
It IS a part of being female!
Like it or not!
What isn't logical is the adherence to strict binary gender roles.
Very true.
Binary gender roles are highly dependent on culture. What one culture thinks a "man" should be is different from what another may think. Even within binary roles, there is huge variation. It really shows how these roles are all human created, and not inherent to being human.
Bigotry is an emotional attachment to ignorance
@@vogonp4287 weird... it's almost like people haven't existed in a binary state this entire time...
@@user-mv5zt8qd9l Funny, because nonbinary and intersex people would beg to differ
Fun fact: the part of the part of the brain that deals with the identity of the self and the reproductive organs develope at very different stages, which means you can have a brain that says "I am such and such" even though the genitals align differently
Exactly!! You are trans all the way down to your fucking neurons! We are FUCKING valid!!
Yes, and that's why transgenderism is a mental illness with a biological basis and innate and the whole gender thing is BS.
"Love dismantling some transphobia," Honestly? Mood.
What is a woman
Just reported someone with a whole slur in their username.
@@blowinatranny a woman is a woman. Or a woman is anyone who identifies as such. It's not that hard to understand that
@@one-onessadhalf3393 I check there page, they are referring to transmissions, not transgender. My mom would blow a lot of trannies (IE transmissions) when she drove a standard. That is why my step-dad got her an automatic.
@@one-onessadhalf3393 What a coincidence, so did I 🤭.
As a Cis woman who's unable to get pregnant, the "as a woman, you're able to carry children and that's what makes you a woman" narrative makes me highly uncomfortable on a good day and makes me mad beyond believe on a bad day. I'm very much a woman, but what makes me a woman is that i say I am. Because i do have a female anatomy this is accepted..... It's so weird
No, it's accepted because it's coherent with reality. You probably have all the gear to make and carry children, somewhat defective, but still, you have it. The things is: let's say 80% of non-trans women can get pregnant. 0% of trans women can get pregnant. Apply that to other characteristics. Do you see where I'm going? How are the two groups "women"?
@Stripes Men can. You're a man, you should know :)
@@johnc3525 do you go around checking people's insides before assigning a gender to them?
yeah it's so deeply disrespectful and insensitive to women like you to define womanhood as producing babies!!! And betrays an utter lack of thought, empathy, even curiosity on their part. all the best x
Yeah, I'm a cis woman and it's always a toss up if I'm a man or a woman when it comes to transphobes. I've got PCOS, so besides the infertility there's also the facial hair and body hair in general. So not only do I not have periods or the ability to have children, I have enough facial hair to rival many men. If I mention that they sure know how to say things like "you don't count" etc.
It’s really sad that we don’t have any form of comprehensive sex and gender studies because the ignorance among people is encyclopaedic.
Okay... now I'm confusing myself with the idea of an encyclopedia of ignorance. Like a sort of anti-encyclopedia, where every time you look something up it makes an idea you had disappear? I don't know. But it's making me think. Or making me stop thinking. Or something.
I actually took a class in college called "Psychology of Gender", FFS, and it didn't give me enough information to realize I was trans. In retrospect, it's amazing and appalling that anyone thought it was possible to cover the psychology of gender without seriously considering trans people.
@@paulhammond6978 Conceptually, let's say that an encyclopedia contains everything that is known. In that case, an "encyclopedia of ignorance" would contain everything which is unknown. Of course, you could only look up "known unknowns". Theoretically, "unknown unknowns" would also be in the encyclopedia of ignorance, but there would be no way to look them up, because you wouldn't know what they are.
@@paulhammond6978I was being ironic. What I meant was that the ignorance is vast.
@@electronics-girlSociology of Gender seems like a better fit for you.
I misread as "is transphobia logical?" and was gonna comment "No. Ooh people living and identifying their lives the way they feel happiest and most comfortable in their bodies, the horror! 😱"
... but I suppose I just did.😅
that's because the thumbnail says that probably
@@Redddragon Yea, just checked on my phone, but couldn't tell from my computer where I was originally watching 😅
I think the problem is when those people pretend we have to care. We don't (and now comes the drama)
@@cristianproust What were you expecting?
And this is when I need someone like Jamie to talk to my parents about being trans because I'm bad at explaining and he's great at explaining things
maybe you could send his videos to your parents (if they want to understand more about being trans
Tell them to google it....
They can educate themselves if it's important enough to them
Same fr I'm smart enough to know they're wrong but I'm not smart enough to dispute it
Seeing your profile picture. I got a chuckle out of it. Which I definitely needed today.
@@dj6P5U but he's good at putting it into words while I know the logic, but putting it into words is hard for me
As an AFAB person who does not ever want to carry a child even though I have no medical reason to suspect I couldn't, and has a complicated relationship with the term "woman", I really enjoyed what you had to say here. Thank you Jamie.
Why is it complicated?
A woman is a person who is born with a womb.
That's it!
@@Herowebcomics What about people born with a vagina but not a functional uteris?
@@ninjoshday They are still female.
They were damaged, but it still counts.
@@Herowebcomics But that defies the definition you just gave
@@ninjoshday Because of a deformity,they would still have the genetics and other equipment that is supposed to be attached to a womb though.
If people can say "transgenderism," I can say "scapegoatism."
Or maybe we just don't make up words for dumb reasons.
You can say whatever you want, I am not policing you. People make up words all the time, btw. Have you ever "googled" anything? Yeah, that's a made up word.
People make up words they see describe something. The one you mention is being used profusely, Xe/Xer not so much
The only quality a word needs to have to be viable, is a use. From the conservative perspective, "transgenderism" is a vague ideological umbrella(but mostly a transphobic dogwhistle), so I'd say it's probably indeed a word, just not a very nice one.
@Vesta _The_Lesser The truth is a burden for those who want to live in delusion. To everyone else is freeing
@Vesta_the_Lesser I wouldn't talk to that person, since said person is a reality denier and likely insane.
I’m a 17 year girl and I’ve been questioning my self for like 4-5 year and just told my mom though she would not here me cause I am easily jumping from one thing to another there but she heard me out and I’m getting a binder in a few days . Quote she said “ ok we’ll get you a binder and see from there ok “ I’m so happy 😁 she heard me out and understand why she doesn’t want me to jump in to it so we’re starting slowly.
Edit] I’m thankful for all the support and I will update when I get my binder. I wanted to also say I realize it after I left my first relationship let’s just say about half a year I lost my only child hold Friend . But it made those year come back to relise I loved him it wasn’t both way . And at the beginning of the year my mom told me that I have add and adhd and I started to question everything I’m my life but even before that t wanted to be the tuff strong man to protect my two sisters and mom when my uncle pasted . Long sleep less nights I had found this channel and And started unpacking everything and took a look at my self and realize and a long time waiting then told her not my sisters thought. I know my twin would except me she the one that called me a nickname that a man would be called . It always warmed my heart ❤️ .My little sister I don’t know probably not good so yeah but they ain’t realized my undershirt my mom gave me it made my chest more flat and when I saw it I light up with a smile 😁. And it’s comfortable well till I get my binder and everything else later on especially on medicine Im on medication already so yeah. Edit :my twin found out and asked me long story short I’m expected of my sexuality but not if I’m trans for my moms sake so yeah
Yes! It's never a bad idea to take time to learn yourself. Love to your mom for her support.
I'm also getting a binder, I hope you find yourself
@@Bildgesmythe yeah my mom has been by best friend since I lost my uncle and aunt in the last 2 years
and that's all any trans person has asked from society! nobody expects to be like "i think i might be trans, CHOP THE TITS OFF IMMEDIATELY." people KNOW it takes time to explore the options, try out different gender expressions, see what feels right and what doesn't. in fact he's wrong when he says it's like a test where there are no right answers and all wrong answers. the right answer is "what feels right."
Good luck on your gender journey! Make sure to get lots of support and love, and bind safely :)
Really getting tired of my identity being politicized. Im just trying to live my life as the woman I should have been
Right? Imagine a world where you can go out dressed affirmingly, use your pronouns, live honestly, and no one has a problem with it.
Well, then don't try to steal the identity of another biologically/reality defined group and you will be fine.
If channels like this didn't exist, it would be a matter of how convincing it looks, just as it was in the past
@@johnc3525 Who stealing what? What a weird statement. Let it go John. Trans people exist. Deal with it.
@John C You're going to have a rough time if trans people upset you that much that you have to come to a channel like this to spew your ridiculous nonsense. I envy you in a way. Must be nice to have absolutely no problems in life that you are that concerned about how other people live their lives.
As someone who is adopted, hearing him basically call birthparents your real parents raised and eyebrow. Like no, I've met my birthparents thrice ever. They aren't my parents🤨
Let alone that you can change your family. A family is a group of people who love and trust each other deeply. Sometimes it's not the one at your house.
They are definitely your biological parents. Stop denying reality. You weren't born out of thin air, were you?
No your biological mother is still your mother but your other mother is still a mother but not your true mother
@@usmaniqbal1322 my true mother is the woman that raised me. My birthmother was kind to keep me alive, but I wouldn't call her Mom.
The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb. Your family of choice is greater than your family by birth.
You can definitively measure things like height, weight, sex, etc, etc. They are physical traits. You cannot measure gender because it is not necessarily a physical attribute, but a variable that you can alter and express in a variable manner.
Edit: I mean sex as in your agab
you can measure it using a Gendermeter where you can measure the level of Gender
Those with more than 15 gender are Women
Those with EXACTLY 4 gender are Men
All others are nb
Even measuring sex is a weird territory
What are we defining it through? Chromosomes? There are cis men with XX chromosomes and cis women with XY ones, and there's even other variations such as XXY or XYY
Hormones? They can be artificially altered
Genitalia? It can be artificially altered
Capability of bearing children? That's erasing infertile people
What I'm tryna say is that "biological sex" is not a monolith and it's actually fluid just like gender
Sorry for the rant, I completely agree with you, gender should definitely not be treated as something simple and measurable
@@azurabbit12 intersex transfem here, can confirm sex is a weird fluid and you should drink atleast 1L water per dayt to replentish it /j [aside, the amounth of plot twists i've gotten sofar is insane, dna be weird]
@@azurabbit12 you can get down to a specific gene and its receptor being an absolute measure of biological sex, but considering 99.99% of people never get that test it’s not relevant. They are trying to be prescriptive of gender rather than descriptive. They work backwards from their conclusion.
When they say “you can’t be trans height” they ignore that height is just height. Height describes a measure of people. If you want to be strictly descriptive of sex, fine, but then sex is just sex. All it describes is sex. Their fallacy is trying to prescribe more attributes to it. Like “sex -> pronoun” “sex -> fashion” “sex -> bathroom” sex -> rights” they are falsely prescribing attributes (gender) based on sex. A descriptive view of the world shows that sex and gender are not the same: that one’s biology is not the sole determining factor of gender. Instead transphobes engage in pathological science
Measure is such a vague word that can mean so many different things that you can by technicality measure gender but how you measure it would need to include all possibilities of what gender could be.
i wish more youtubers would have the balls to make videos dissecting transphobia instead of vaguely sitting on the fance so they don't alienate some part of their audience
I mean, swing more over towards the content of people like Noah Samsen and the little community around Jessie Gender and Swolesome* and the like and you'll find some more vocal peeps (probably because Jessie and Swolesome are both trans). Or even sometimes Kurtis Connor will make explicit comments in his videos about transphobia being stupid and stuff.
Personally, I wish I had fewer balls. But there are plenty of TH-camrs (some with balls, some without) who are making videos about transphobia: Philiosophy Tube, Shaun, Ty Turner, Sam Collins, Ponderful, Emma Thorne, Savy Writes Books, Olurinatti, Table Politics, Fundie Fridays, Caelan Conrad.
@@Jane-oz7pp love kurtis conner!!! he actually tries to learn and understand, epic.
Well, his entire personality is founded about that fact. Besides that this would be a channel about am awkward tall girls who does not know how to be famous
How about a TH-camr boldly speaking AGAINST the transgender lifestyle?
he really said that he can't believe in something he can't see and yet i'm willing to bet that this man is religious
And he also breathes air
I had exactly the same thought.
@@BlueTressym I also suspect that, much like anything made of organic matter, he would not much care to be near gamma radiation, which, despite also being invisible, is very real.
He is Senior Fellow for Biblical Worldview and Strategic Engagement at Family Research Council.
I can't see air so I guess it doesn't exist. These people are something else
They are saying, "Yes, dysphoria is real, but treating it? No of course not!"
What "Ignore it and wait for it to go away," isn't treatment? Scandalous!
@@BlueTressym It often is, 60-80% of gender dysphoric kids desist.
@@johnc3525 that's not treatment, that's just them being told to suffer and they go through with it
@@johnc3525wow or maybe because those kid get their gender affirming care and their body look more like the gender they identify? It could just be pure coincidence tho🙄
@@bladehoon Most desist, they don't need treatment.
We can't see depression or addiction either, so does that mean they're not real? Those kinds of videos scare me, because it's very easy to fall for the professional graphics and confident white man if you aren't well educated. I'm trans myself and have a lot of internalized transphobia, so even I find it tempting to believe this crap sometimes.
Plenty of folks don't think depression or mental illness is real. Sometimes it is a cultural thing. In South America and many Asian countries for example.
Even when people accept it as real, they lack any kind of understanding on how it works.
Remember: no one can know who you are better than you do. You are the highest authority on your own identity. No matter what fancy words they use, at the end of the day their claim is that they could take one glance at theshape of your genitalia at birth and tell you who you are based on that. And that is inane.
You are the highest authority on yourself. They are a million facts about you that are unchangeable and that no one can know better than you.
When those people say you are wrong about your own gender, it's like saying a left handed person that they are wrong to consider their left hand as their dominant hand, that theiy truly are right handed like everyone else and writing their left hand is just a bad habit they need to lose. For a long time left handed people were acually treated like that, made to feel shame for favoring their left hand, told that it was immoral, that only right handeness was right and natural. But we know it's silly right? A left handed person writing with their left hand is just as natural as a right handed person writing with their right hand. And a trans person living as the oposite gender of their AGAB is as natural as a cis person living as their AGAB. In both case people doing what they knowto be better for them is what's natural.
I hope this helps.
There are people who claim depression isn't real and sadly, I know about them from experience. Hang in there; don't let the bastards grind you down. You are who you know you are and facts don't care about transphobes' feelings.
Wow, thanks lovely folks for the support. I'm gonna keep reading these comments to brighten my day
Actually we can see depression as it changes the chemistry of our brains. But depression is an illness that's 1) curable 2) causes suffering
Being transgender is a state, it's not curable as far as we know, and doesn't really causes suffering, the society that doesn't accept us does. I felt pretty happy being non-binary until all these transphobes appeared suddenly and now I face negativity daily, constantly questioning myself and experiencing the harshest kicks of gender dysphoria in my whole life. I honestly don't understand why they just can't let us be, what bad things does my existence even do to them for me to take so much hate
Just as our age increases every year, our weight changes depending on what we eat and our height develops as we grow. Our gender can change as we develop through our lifes
im gonna be that guy and say our age is increasing at every single moment of our lives, not just once a year
@@angelicicarus8578 well... True
+ we can say that our perception of people ages and height and other things are different than what they are, so why is gender the one thing they want to box up?!
My feet shrunk with one size after I became an adult. It was the weirdest thing. I stopped growing at 13. Then, several years later, my shoe size was too big for my foot. Before, the smaller size had been too small.
I also have heterochromia, but I've met people who don't believe me because the colours are so dark it can be hard to see.
@@inescaldeira6677 cool name. Are you basque?
"Feelings don't determine reality." An employee tells the boss: "I FEEL sick, I'm calling out sick today." Boss: "I think you're lying, show up or you're fired." The employee shows up with puke all over them and asks to go home. Boss: "You really expect me to believe that's real puke? Change and get to work." The employee pukes on the boss. Boss: "You did that on purpose! You're fired!!"
Some people (the boss in the example above and the person being reacted to) just refuse to accept reality if it is more convenient and/ or they have the possibility to benefit from it (like transphobes confirming the bias of other transphobes). In my experience, those same people will usually never admit they're wrong when facts are presented (they just keep gaslighting), and they almost never apologize for anything. So debating them (9 times out of 10) is a massive waste of time. 😹The example above might not be perfect but I thought it was worth sharing. ☮💙
Do you accept that transgenderism is a mental illness?
Exactly! When you're trans, the dysphoria, the need to appear more "feminine" or "masculine", and the high number of identifiable emotional responses are like what the symptoms are to being sick. You can't see sickness, only the consequent symptoms of being sick. Although maybe it isn't very nice to compare being trans to begin sick, just saying.
@@marcelinepink I agree and understand what you mean and I didn't mean it in a negative way. I did state that what I said wasn't a perfect example; I was trying to compare a transphobe denying reality and I'm def not saying trans people are wrong or sick (I am trans nonbinary myself). I have a hard time expressing myself because my anxiety is very bad and I just wanted to share my thoughts that I came up with from being inspired from watching this video and wanted to help by commenting. I'm sorry if I offended you (or anyone who reads this) that was not my intention. ☮
"It's not possible to feel like a woman," uh-oh, somebody better go and tell Shania Twain that pronto!
It's interesting, I just finished writing an entire research paper on gender, all the different identities, pronouns and the importance of using the correct pronouns....and then I turn on TH-cam and there's a new Jammi video, debunking transphobic babble. It's like a sign from the trans gods that my paper is well written lol
Dang, I wanna meet these trans gods. They sound like cool people
Could you happen to share your paper? I'd like to read it. I'm currently in the "not understanding trans/NB but respects and supports it" mindset. I work with a lot of people that identify as non-binary and trans and I think it would help me to know why and how they feel this way. Thanks!
i was JUST thinking about taht song
@@ninjoshday There is only one and his name is Satan.
@@Herowebcomics Lol I was joking
“FEELINGS DON’T DETERMINE REALITY ANYWHERE ELSE”
That’s right feelings don’t determine reality. What they do is SENSE reality. Can you imagine living in a world where we never took someone’s feeling as fact?
“I’m hungry.”
“Sorry, I don’t believe feelings.”
“I’m cold.”
“What? I’m just supposed to BELIEVE you’re cold because that’s what you feel? I believe too much in science to dignify that with respect!”
What is the difference between physical sensations of cold and or hunger that come from the most primative part of the brain the reptiilain brain, and are survival mechanisms, and emotions/feelings such as happy, sad, guilty. ashamed, embarassed, surprised, joyful, rejected, lonely, frustrated, angry, disappointed, discusted, etc?
@@vickils9571 I would argue, gender (body) dysphoria is a sense of something wrong happening to your body, its basicly the same reaction when something unknown would grow visibly under your skin.
Also depression is a disorder based and diagnosed around/via feelings (just like gender dysphoria). And we still treat depression and dont argue if its right to treat it.
@@celinematerzok6421 Hello, I am a bit confused by what you said, but I think the reason is you don't understand what depression is. Let me clarify it for you. One symptom of depression (which is not enough to diagnose depression) is a sad, low, depressed mood. I did not say feeling depressed I said mood. The reason for that is when someone is suffering from Major Depressive Disorder they don't just feel occasionally down, the mood is long lasting, but one needs other symptoms such as changes in appetite, issues with sleep, loss of interest or pleasure in things previously enjoyed, etc.
So, how is depression treated? The best course of action is medication combined with therapy. The gold standard for treatment is Cognitive (that is addressing distorted thinking) and Behavioral (addressing behavioral patterns that disrupt one's life. The therapy is CBT, other forms are DBT, or ACT. The first thing that is taught in the COGNITIVE therapies is for people to become aware of the thoughts that are contributing to their depression or anxiety, and then teaching them how to challenge those thoughts (which if you were not aware are notorious liars. I have a tee shirt that says don't believe everything you think just for that reason. The "feeling" isn't even addressed. Only the factors that contribute to feeling dysphoric which are the thoughts and behaviors.
My main point is we need to make sure that people who are making life altering decisions that ARE NOT reversable have had assessments and therapy first. And that children get left alone.
@@vickils9571 I'm also a bit confused that you think i dont know what depression is. Let me clarify a few things for you.
The reason i chose depression as something similiar to gender dysphoria is because of OP "feelings dont determine reality [...]". The statement makes depression not a reality and therefore doesnt exist, at least from my stand point.
What doesnt exist also doesnt need treatment but we still treat depression in a way that has the highest chance of success. But for Gender dysphoria your advocating for the least effective treatment with a success rate very close to 0%, if you want to increase the chances of "success" you can use methods of torture to induce self hate so the person thinks its disgusting to be themselfs. This method is famously kbown as conversion therapy. It doesnt cure, it doesnt treat, it just makes everything worse.
Thats the reason medical associations use gender affirming care, it isnt perfect but it has the highest success rate of alleviating gender dysphoria from all known treatments.
I still dont understand why transphobic ppl want to change neurology of gender dysphoric ppl when its easier to change the body. Both camps seem to want to change biology, it seems.
@@celinematerzok6421 Final follow up, first of all I NEVER said gender dysphoria was not real! Second, depressed mood is only one symptom among a host of other symptoms that must be present for diagnosis of depression. One MUST have a minimum of five symptoms that occur everyday, all day for a minimum of two weeks.
I shall yet again request aro ace and agender videos!!
Aroace Memes are fun. I miss them.
yes please I NEED my aro/ace memes
Agender videos yes! :3
"Ah yes, the "alloy" in LGBTQIA+" - 🤡🤡🤓
I need some more Triple A battery content
THIS. This right here!
It always annoys me when someone says, "Facts don't care about your feelings", as if human beings weren't extremely complicated creatures and facts/ science isn't changing all the time (Stupid example, but IS or ISN'T Pluto a planet?😂). And there's still so much about the human mind we don't know or understand yet.
Besides, why deny the world seahorse daddies? They just sound...so cute! 😭❤️
What if it's a FACT that i FEEL like punching Ben Shapiro in the face?
Transphobes be like: Facts don't care about my feelings, so why should I care about facts' feelings?
@@joycelinlgbtq you don't "feel" like punching him in the face. Punching one in the face is not a feeling. Feelings are one word, happy, sad, angry, hurt, disappointed, surprised, etc. The correct way to talk about an actual act of violence against another human being that you are effectively dehumanising and othering would be, Ben Shapiro makes me so ANGRY, I want to punch him in the face. See the difference?
This kind of people is so exhausting. Really, it's way more a "I don't want to understand that because I don't want it to be real and I will try to justify that."
I'm a cis woman and I get bored and exhausted by that kind of stuff, so I really can't fathom how much energy it can rob out of a transgender person.
I would ask a few questions to that man.
- Did you ever question if you were a boy / decided that you were going to be a man?
- if not, just imagine experiencing yourself as you are but having a female body, everybody calling you Mrs, Miss, Madam, ... People telling you you should stop being ridiculous, that they can see you're a woman, and that you should go back cooking for your husband. All this while still experiencing yourself as you are right now, so a man. And although you correct people, you try to present as a man, binding, wearing baggy clothes, ... people keep telling you you're a woman, that there's no such thing as what you're experiencing.
And tell me after how long of that treatment you'll start feeling like you're a woman. I'd say never, because your gender identity is not something you can change. So stfu!
Seriously, if people could try for a second to put themselves in other people's shoes and try to understand that their reality is not universal, the world would be a better place.
Its also relatively common for cisgender actors and actresses to feel gender dysphoria while playing opposite sex characters.
Thank you ❤️
'Feelings don't determine reality' bro has never told anyone he feels sick before. He has to logically prove his illness without going to see a medical professional with his irrelevant 'feelings'.
Wtf...
I wasn't born in the wrong body, I was just born in the version that wasn't modded and upgraded to my liking. I haven't finished with my character customization screen before being born, so now I have to pay to finish doing that!
damm, happened to me to
honestly, what type of shitty game am I playing??
@@Sh1garak1s_alt It's called Life, so I've been told. The graphics are lovely in some areas but the tutorial is nonsensical and the gameplay difficulty is randomised for everyone who plays.
you got a tutorial? I was getting one but then it got skipped when i was 3-4
💀
been trying to ask npc’s for help but all they wanna do is send me on bullshit side quests
Uh my character customization glitched before I went down and now I have several lairs of difficulty in my gameplay
@@Sh1garak1s_alt The tutorial usually stops around then, and then I think there was supposed to be a mid-game tutorial at 18, but I think they took it out and added it to some kind of community-made dlc, and to be fair those people also most likely haven't figured out all of the new mechanics, so it isn't the best, but at least it is something. In some regions you have to paid for that dlc tho, at at least convince someone you know to lend you their copy.
"... Then man and woman can be born into ANY kind of body."
YES! That's what we've been saying this whole time! You're so close! Forget the "wrong body" thing. You're SO close!
Lol transgenderism became sci-fi. Or horror movie. Body invaders.
Feelings determine fact in a lot of places. Basically any described emotion works this way. If I feel sad then I am sad. Lots of medical symptoms work this way too. A doctor can't determine factually if you are having a migraine, they have to go off your word about what you're feeling.
I think these fools genuinely believe that your feelings have nothing to do with your biology. Never once do they consider the brain as a chemist taking a bunch of orders to prescribe chemicals for certain purposes.
Well, no, people who have depression feel sad for no reason. They feel reality in a distorted way. Also, physical feelings are different than emotional feelings. Obviously.
@@johnc3525 it's all chemicals in the brain, dude. It's not 'for no reason'. Emotions are just as real as anything else in the body. We just lack the technology to measure it from the outside in order to medically confirm what someone says they feel. Just because we don't know how to measure it doesn't mean it isn't real.
@@johnc3525 CAN feel for no reason. But only on the surface. There is ALWAYS a concrete cause for depression.
"Feelings don't determine reality everywhere else" He's SO close. He's on the verge of a breakthrough.
He is the equivalent of that meme with the car drifting onto what is clearly the wrong path purely for the sake of justifying his own views while ignoring evidence from literally everything else that proves the exact opposite.
Yeah, I love how that whole point only proves that your gender identity doesn't change your assigned sex, and doesn't doesn't do anything to prove that your feelings can't indicate your gender identity
I agree. Also: a person's feelings are very much a part of their reality! Does he not thing that feelings of romantic love and sexual attraction are reality?
@@rosiefay7283 Your mistake was assuming that conservatives feel love.
Ah, but if they didn't feel romantic love they wouldn't discriminate against aromatic people
@@tjenadonn6158 says the person who supports execution of unborn children
Every single time they say that giving birth is what makes a woman, I get greatly upset because one of my sisters was hit by a car and it rendered her unable to have children and I think, "how dare they say my sister isn't a woman through no fault of her own!"
It's offensive and insensitive. And I know my sister isn't the only cisgender woman to have problems with the ability to give birth and so I feel disgusted they are literally insulting a huge swathe of cis women, let alone Trans women who also can't give birth.
It's shameful. (Oh, also this video appears to be the product of Prager U. They use that giant question mark at the beginning of every one of their videos I've had the misfortune to watch.)
No, the video is from the Colson Center, but they're just as bad.
Not believing in a thing you can't see... Ironic, since so many transphobes hide behind "religion." Yes, I'm a religious lady. I believe in a non-corporeal deity and 2 of my 3 kids are trans. And just because I gave birth does NOT mean that's what defines a woman!
Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.
🙏❤🏳🌈🏳⚧
as a catholic trans guy, thanks :D
Honestly, bringing up adoption really disproves his whole argument. If "family" is biological and not a social construct then when you get married to someone your spouse is not your family (hopefully). If you have a parent who remarried, only one of them is your childs grandparent if we're going off biology. Yet somehow everyone accepts that those people are family. Granted, to me personally not all blood is family, and not all family is blood.
Family in the strict sense is used in genetics to describe a group of people who are tightly genetically related by birth. The broader use of family means a group that has some kind of close connection between members.
@@johnc3525 Woman in the strict sense is used to describe a person who exhibits female sex traits. The broader use of woman means an individual that interacts with their society using the cultural ideas of womanhood in their society
Our feelings can effect our weight. I’ve lost weight from extreme anxiety before.
2:04 This is true. But more than that: if the person is a stranger to you, it shouldn't matter to you if you don't know their gender. The only sort of occasion that springs to mind where you might need to ask is when being introduced to somebody.
it's wild to me that they get so hung up on this. like, they have NEVER had a problem sharing a bathroom with a trans person, because you know it's happened and they just didn't realize because YOU CAN'T TELL TRANS PEOPLE FROM CIS PEOPLE. plus in the course of them trying to "root out trans people" they've inadvertently declared war against ugly/non-conforming cis people. like, you got me, i was born with a vagina and i still identify as a woman but i clearly must be trans because i inherited my dad's square jawline. and my best friend has also been a woman her entire life but she had to have a hysterectomy following decades of crippling endometriosis so i guess she's not a woman anymore either. but she doesn't have a penis and she doesn't identify as male so she's not a cis/trans man... what IS she then?!
"The only way to know someone's gender is by asking." Yes, especially for agender, bigender, genderfluid, or genderqueer (deepest apologies if I forgot or am unaware of anyone).
Luckily I never had
to ask such an intimate
and embarrassing question .
it’s really not intimate or embarrassing, if someone asked me I would happily explain.
@@ritahorvath8207 what could possibly be intimate or embarrassing about asking someone's gender?
(deepest apologies if I forgot or am unaware of anyone)
@@purpleunicorn87 Aren't you the people who say gender is made up, gender roles aren't real, men and women are the same thing? Then why should I know your gender if it doesn't matter to you? If you look weird I'll assume you're gender crazy and assume your gender doesn't matter.
Just wanted to post something for the algo... Much love to all my trans siblings (and the nice cis people too) ❤
Thats so sweet ❤❤
Much love to you too ♡♡
Love 💜💜💜
As a cis man (mostly), the idea that "it's not possible to feel" like a man just annoys me so much. When I feel like a man, I feel like a man, period. If those transphobes are unsure about their own feelings and gender, that's on them. Honestly, I can't imagine what it must be for trans people to hear this...
At a guess, these prats would say that you don't 'feel' like a man, you just are one if and only if you have the relevant parts.
The can’t see it so it can’t exist thing is really funny because so many of these people are religious.
I'm agender and don't understand gender, so it's not real. You're welcome😂
As someone who has had to deal with an ED, I HATE that comparison. Trying to convince the person that they aren’t overweight does nothing. It’s all about dealing with the causes behind it, which is so much different
It's such a shame that the definition of pain all involves feelings ultimately. I guess pain doesn't exist. I'm glad this "logic" applies so helpfully to so much. *rolls eyes*
There’s no problem with being logical about anything. There is a problem when people use the idea of being logical in order to be hurtful towards others.
Logic should be used to help the LGBTQ community be treated as normal. Because at the end of the day. That’s what we are. Normal.
Stop being ignorant and mixing up emotional feelings and physical feelings.
@@johnc3525 If the same logic applies. Pain is determined almost exclusively based on what the person says it is. Emotions are determined almost exclusively based on what the person says they are. Both are real for the same reasons. People know how they feel better than strangers, friends, and sometimes even family.
@@johnc3525 physical sensations.
@@ozmainthedark emotions are created by thoughts, and one's brain will lie a lot.
Jamie, I love how eloquently you speak and how easily you break down ridiculous conversations. I can never find the right words to make people listen. I have referred some people in my life to your channel in the hopes of education but I doubt they will even bother trying 😔
Much love 💜
The test question comparison sounds like those questionnaires on job applications. "There are no right answers, but there are wrong answers."
Almost no word in the dictionary has only one, rigid, set-in-stone definition with zero gray area or subjectivity. The entire premise of their argument falls apart immediately.
chair
@@Ray4938 the noun "chair" has five different definitions on Mirriam-Webster dictionary. "Chair" is also a verb with three different definitions.
@@Ray4938 How many legs? Does it need legs? Does it need a backing? Does it have material limitations? Does it need to be man-made?
@@supercrazylegs1 yes bestie that was my point
@@Ray4938 gotcha.
Yay! I have pre ordered your book on Audible! Look forward to reading as I help my youngest child trying to navigate the big changes but also the smaller ones that seem to pop up from nowhere as the parent of a trans child, let alone what my trans teen is going through themselves!
I was out with my LGBT+ social group last weekend and the fact I have a 15 year old trans child came up with a fellow lesbian, she was so badly informed about what treatment is available and when for trans children. Didn’t understand how puberty blockers worked or how it is basically impossible to even get them at a time that is actually helpful. She didn’t understand that hormones are not given to children and there are mad steps to take before they prescribed even then. She was at least open enough to ask question and be surprised by many of the answers so I hope I have set her on a better path 🤷♀️. It’s just so sad to see this in the LGBT+ community. We should know a whole lot better. /end sad rant ☺️🤭
0:04 Me, my friends, my cousin, his boyfriend, and everyone else aren’t an “ism”
2:36 YES! I saw a thing and it said that being trans or trans people have been around since 1600 B.C.
11:05 the definition of a woman (according to urban dictionary) is “not a man”, the definition of a man (again, urban dictionary) is “not a woman”.
All women are not men, but not all non-men are women. (Enbies exist.)
The only ism this is giving me is an aneurism. 🤦♀️
I had someone at work try to be TERFy when the conversation came around to trans and I wasn’t having any of it. I knew exactly what he wanted me to say and I refused to tell him what he wanted. One counter I used when he said ‘what do you call a man calling himself a woman?’ I said ‘a clerical error on a cosmic level’ after already using woman as the correct answer.
People like that make me so mad.
‘a clerical error on a cosmic level’ sounds like you're saying trans people are a huge mess?
Assuming you're a man, Douglas, then you'd perfectly fine dating, marrying and having kids (oops, can't), maybe adopt kids, with Joe who calls himself Joan? You're fine calling his a*hole a vagina?
"our feelings don't determine anything else" except... it does? i have anxiety. my anxiety is determined by my thoughts and thought patterns. my depression is determined by my thoughts and thought patterns. without my thoughts i wouldn't be waiting for an adhd diagnosis. if i could, by some miracle, ignore my thoughts, i would! there is nothing nice or fun about thinking the way i do.
Your thoughts are also determinded by your actions. If you run for a few hours a day you have less energy to obsess over irational ideas. The first option for depression/anxiety is diet and excersise yet almost all doctors use medication as a first response.
"Feelings dont determine reality anywhere else"?! Feelings are reality. We do everything we do based on emotions that we feel
@Stripes lol okay chaser
@Stripes cry more chaser
@Stripes You love making it easier for pedophiles, huh?
@Stripes what, who is being groomed, Jamie is an adult
@Stripes and so is his wife.
6:37-8:14 Thank. You. Jamie.
Sincerely, the trans adoptee who absolutely loves your channel.
The trans argument is so weird. Like, if there's a person who has pink hair but is naturally blonde, you would describe them as "the one with pink hair". You know what's confusing? Describing someone as blonde and continuing to describe them as "the blonde one" when there are clearly no blondes in sight. Nobody goes "BuT gENetIcS" when someone changes their hair colour but an amab person puts on a dress and suddenly nature is broken.
@Stripes you just agreed with an argument saying trans people are valid then went on to be transphobic. Can you even read? Did you drop out of preschool?
@Stripes so if someone is trans, but passes perfectly, they should still go into the changing room of their biological sex? Imagine blaire white in the men's changing room. Google her if you don't know her.
Trans rights are human rights!!!! :D
Trans rights, trans thriving ✊️🏳️⚧️
I don’t care who you are. This person right here is correct. 😤
@@shadowking278 Agree.
trans rights are human rights >:3 🏳⚧🏳🌈
Yes!!!!
"Feelings don't determine reality anywhere else"
"Hey, my mom died yesterday and I've been really sad latel-"
"YOU'RE NOT SAD!! Facts don't care about your feelings, you are not sad!"
“So anything you can’t see doesn’t exist?” When this is their argument, reply immediately with “Can you see God?” and watch them have a conniption over the implication that they just said God doesn’t exist. 😅
Argued with transphobes, and what i learned is that they have one or two basic misunderstandings of what trans is and cannot get past that, which makes them make a bunch of conflations that make no sense to someone who actually understands what it is. You can't help people like that, unless they take the time to do the research themselves and change their understanding without trying to reaffirm their biases no matter what.
It is just mental gymnastics
I still can’t believe I started watching you as a straight cis woman and now I’m a bisexual trans man (love your vids btw❤)
PROOF!! PROOF THAT PEOPLE CAN BE TRANSED!!!
I started watching him as a cishet man and now I'm a trans lesbian.
@@beans1557 idk if your joking but if you’re not people can’t be transed you can just figure yourself out
And It comes full circle. Congratulations on finding yourself! -from your fellow trans dude
Thank you I still can’t believe how much Jamie and other trans TH-camrs have helped me and lots of other people
"therefore its impossible to feel like a woman" come on, shania twain already settled this matter in 1997
Thankfully Jamie talks sometimes so I can have a break and not throw my phone accross the room
I had to turn it to 1.25 speed because I can't stand the way the transphobe talks
Everyone be talking about Transgenderism and the Gay Mafia but nobody is brave enough to talk about Cisgenderism and the Straight Mafia.
Pfft, me who has done this in many comments.
"Stop pushing your Cisgenderism" in response to anything transphobic
@@neon17.08 I'm gonna use that next time someone's transphobic babble melts my brain.
But honestly the gay mafia sounds lit lol
@@jaytheidiot79 Technically the first biker gangs WERE that.
You did that self promo so humbly lol. you were like “here a little gift”.
It's always interesting to see people refer to being trans as a "new" thing. I'm Mapuche, and Mapuche culture has existed for about ten thousand years at least - we've always recognised the existence of nonbinary and trans people, and so do a lot of other Native American cultures... the reason why transphobia even exists in my zone is colonization
I am a cis het woman and cannot get pregnant. Those sorts of statements make me feel like I don't get to define myself thusly, simply because I can't squirt out mini-mes. He's offending more than just the transgender folk he's afraid of.
I am also a heavyset woman, and I say that our weight IS under our control. He's so wrong about so many things, ugh.
So what is a woman?
@@paulthompson9668 depends on the woman
Yes, transphobia effects everyone, not just trans people. Cis women get stopped at bathrooms because people think they're trans, there are the transvestigators that in the process of trying to out trans celebrities are also humiliatingly cis ones, and already in some states masculine cis girl athletes are being subjected to invasive exams to make sure they are in fact cis. Its all horrendous.
@@ace..of..hearts_they-them_ Are there any objective markers that can help me identify someone as a woman?
@@paulthompson9668 there are many definitions of women varying, do you want a trans woman, a cis woman, or what? ill give you those 2 but, if you want a different one. just ask.
cis woman:
someone who was born a woman and still identifies as a woman
trans woman:
someone who was born a man, but experienced gender dysphoria and transitioned to a woman.
glad i can help
oh also:
cis man:
someone who was born a man and still identifies as a man
trans man:
someone who was born a woman, but experienced gender dysphoria and transitioned to a man.
Prager U: Where the S stands for smart
And the letters a, e, g, p, r and u stand for stoopid.
Prager U: For when you failed the entrance exams at DeVry and University of Phoenix.
“You have to peel a banana to eat it, you have to peel an orange to eat it, apples and pears are also fruits so you must have to peel them to eat them too!”
That’s exactly what the common comparison to anorexia and schizophrenia transphobes make really looks like, if you use a more widely understood example like fruits.
Bananas are berries 🤪 strawberries are a type of rose. Tomato is a fruit. Birds are dinosaurs, but a triceratop was not. Sharks are fish, jellyfish is not.
Yet a lot of people use the wrong term because it feels right 🙃 and we let them.
@@Ikajo Language is flexible.
@@CactusMuffin Language, yes. Scientific classifications tend to be more rigid. Like, corn is a type of grass. As is wheat. We call them grains because we can eat them.
Bamboo is also a type of grass, but people think of it as wood.
@@CactusMuffin Mind, I'm saying this in _support_ of trans rights.
Since when do you have to peel an orange to eat it? I don't.
That aside, you have a valid point.
I’ve said it once, I’ll say it a thousand times, thank you so much Jamie for debunking transphobia. We need you and people like you to refuse to let the middle be influenced through sneaky tactics. I don’t understand why people hate us so much and and want to get rid of us. It sucks so much. Thank you Jamie.
The whole "tell me what a woman is" thing cracks me up because it's the exact exercise we did in SO MANY linguistics classes to demonstrate how language is used intuitively without necessarily carrying the full knowledge of the thing being talked about. And also to demonstrate the challenge of linguistics and how it isn't enough to use our own perceptions to draw linguistic conclusions, but we must observe many instances of many people in many circumstances using the language and DESCRIBE what they are using it for, then we define rules that should predict all correct instances of that word being used in all circumstances of native speakers using it. And if it can't, then it is incorrect and needs to be re-written.
Only we usually used other words. In my classes, we often attempted to define "bird" and "cookie" - and we could never come up with a consensus because every time the whole class agreed on one, the prof would either show us an example of the word being used by native speakers outside our definition OR would give us examples of things that can be included in our definition but are obviously NOT the thing we just defined. You can do this with basically ANY WORD yet we still use words all the time and generally know what we're talking about when we say them to each other.
Edit: this exercise was also used to demonstrate the concept of prototypes in linguistics. Which is the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of any word. So when you think "bird" you usually don't think "penguins" right away - penguins are birds, but they are not prototypical birds. Same with cookies. Fig newtons are often considered cookies, but the prototypical cookie is usually chocolate chip. Different cultures will also often have different prototype things (individuals also sometimes have different mental prototypes, but for these exercises we usually would ask a large group and see what thing most of them say).
Something that doesn't quite make sense to me is the need for there to be something unique to women. Like, im not going to be less of a woman just because i dont have a thing i can point to that is not allowed for men to do/have
The best "What is a Woman?" video I ever saw was one by Lonerbox. He said that there isn't one single thing that makes a woman a woman. Rather, a woman is someone who is similar to other women. And there are a lot of different ways to be similar. You have to consider the totality of what women are, and not boil it down to a single characteristic.
"Feelings don't determine reality anywhere else." By this logic, mental illness doesn't exist. They are trying to define transness as a mental illness whilst containing an argument that invalidates mental illness. Also, are they arguing that love doesn't exist because it's a feeling? Trying to reword "facts don't care about your feelings" just makes it even worse of an arguing point for these kinds of people because their entire stance is emotional. "Ew trans" is their entire point, and it is a completely emotional one.
I haven’t watched all the way through, but I figured I’d like to say my thing about “feeling like a man or a woman”. It really means you feel happier as a man than you do as a woman for trans men and vice versa for trans women. (I’ll stick with the trans man example as that’s what I’m most familiar with) to feel like a man it means to feel happier when you’re “treated as a man” and “look like a man” than when you’re “treated as a woman” and “look like a woman.” I say those in quotes because what being treated as a man is, and what looking like a man is, is a social construct that we have sort of internalized.
Edit: I’d also like to add another thing. Earlier in the video they talk about how we treat body dysmorphia differently to gender dysphoria. The difference is that with body dysmorphia the feelings often grow worse as you progress towards your goal, feeling like you’re going backwards when in reality you’re going too far forward. With gender dysphoria you feel better as you go towards your goal and feel like you’re going forward. And gender dysphoria had been proven to have the best cure be affirming care, while with body dysmorphia the proven treatment is therapy to get rid of these feelings.
Not to mention that most types of body dysmorphia is negative mental self. They cannot see the reality of their body properly and the image they see in their minds distresses them.
Where as the near opposite is true for gender dysphoria, they have a positive mental self and yet when faced with the reality of their body, become distressed by that reality.
And when treatment eventually managed to change that reality they show near immediate signs of improvement. Because reality is beginning to match their mental image.
This is also true of a specific type of body dysmorphia, often felt by people who remove their breasts to avoid/get rid of breast cancer. They are then recommended surgery and now that reality matches their perception they feel better.
Gender dysphoria in relation to body more closely matches the body dysmorphia of people who have already removed or changed certain parts of themselves.
It is not comparable to the more common types of dysmorphia that cause negative mental self image.
I mean, given that people express themselves on a spectrum, it's logical that some people are transgender.
Sure, but their ideology is deeply flawed and contradictory because they're trying to normalize cutting off their dicks and tits.
In some cases the adopted kid can see their bio parents as their parents, one of my friends got disowned by their adopted parents but even before that they got disowned they only call their bio parents their parents
The first definition of "woman" in Mirriam Webster Dictionary is "adult human female." The first definition of "female" is " of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs." Pay attention to those words: "Of" "relating to" "typically." It shows that it's not rigid, there's nuance, it depends on context.
And the second definition of "female" is "Having a gender identity that is the opposite of male."
Not only do these people refuse to provide their own definition of "woman" or "female", but they won't even look it up themselves.
They also refuse to look up the definition of transphobia, because they're always saying, "I'm not afraid of you, therefore I'm not transphobic!"
"feelings don't determine reality." how to say you're a terrible parent without saying you abuse your kids emotionally. one hopes this fool hasn't gotten anyone pregnant yet.
It is sad because this is how my parents(who have had 5 children) look at it and has forced this upon all their children
Not just that but like... in this case the reality being discussed is feelings? Like? Just because they're not an object doesn't mean they're outside of reality, otherwise physics has always been a waste of time.
According to his biographical blurb on the Family Research Council website, "He and his wife Brook have four children."
That's funny because feelings do determine reality. Feelings determine what decisions we make,what we believe in,what our favorite color is and more things. These people who believe this are either abusive or just straight up ignorant on psychology and what feelings actually do in terms of reality
What does abusing kids have to do with accepting reality? Well, typical transgender way of viewing life.
This black and white thinking reminds me a little of me in my egg phase, I thought things like "I'm a guy and I can't change that, and that is just the way things are", back then.
It’s not like transphobia is a new concept. It has always existed but when you learn about it, you realise how it’s normalised everywhere around you.
Transphobia wasn't always here tho, at least not in this sense, it came mostly after Christianity and colonization.
Yeah no, transphobia has not “always” existed. There is a period in time across all cultures where trans people were celebrated if not outright considered sacred or holy. Even in the hyper-patriarchal Roman culture there was the Galli.
It's definitely not normalized in Denmark or Canada. You spout off transphobia either place you're gonna find yourself very unwanted in the vast majority of places. Even the conservatives here quickly learned not to spout off transphobic comments if they want to keep their seats in government.
Wanna know a fun fact? Us Indians have a community of people that are intersex, trans, etc. We call them hijras and throughout our culture we respected them. In fact, they were honored as great artists, dancers and musicians. We knew they were real and we knew they were just ordinary people like us. They had jobs in royal courts as dancers, teachers, so much more. Even some of our deities were intersex. Then everything went to shit. Britishers kinda just ruined our education system, stole our economic possessions like jewelry and precious metals and just went full-on invasion mode. They looked at hijras and started targeting them because intersex and trans people were less common outside of India (or they were just disguised to fit in the binary). People started accepting this harassment as the new normal, that it was okay to discriminate against them. Flashforward to modern day India, intersex/trans people have been thrown to the roads and get made fun of. They're unable to get an education or employment because of their 'unusual' bodies. They're called slurs and made fun of. They're getting killed. It's honestly just horrible. Worst part is, despite our culture giving them so much respect and importance, barely anyone's doing anything. Look at the scriptures, their existence is normal. They were even celebrated as holy people. Look at the present. Just horrible, how we keep preaching India's culture and religious diversities and keep ignoring reality.
A small add-on related to Ancient Greek culture. Even those guys knew gender identity is real. Look at Dionysus (commonly known to be the god of wine), the god of those that are unsure about their gender. So yeah, transphobia is the new thing, not being trans. We've always been here, fellas. Look at Dr. Alan Hart.
Transphobia has only existed as long as exclusionary gender norms have. It was only normalized in our cultures because our colonizers decided there’s only two kinds of people.
Ok, but I’d love to hear him explain why it would be logical for someone to give a damn that he thinks they’re illogical. Like… okay… moving on…
As a molecular biologist specializing in genetic research, it infuriates me when people use their simplified 5th grade biology to justify their shitty arguments about gender.
@Stripes Typo
gender is a social construct according to LGBT folks . this has nothing to do with biology or anatomy
Thank you SO MUCH for breaking down and explaining all the terms and the reasonings. I know what I feel, but expressing that can get complicated and confusing, so thanks again for breaking it into layman's terms!
Fortunately, the more decades you find yourself having to paraphrase your explanations, the better you get at it
OK speaking as an older trans person? "Born in the wrong body" is EXACTLY how I felt. But his argument doesn't hold because I believe you can change not just your gender, but your sex too. My body is not male but neither is it female anymore. My sex is transman (and my gender is man).
Personally I believe you can change your sex (mostly, not completely) but you can't change your gender. If you could change your gender, then conversion therapy would work, but it doesn't.
"Born in the wrong body" seems like a good way to explain it, because being trans means your gender and sex don't match, and since you can't change your gender, it's the body which is "wrong" and needs to be changed.
coming from a trans person who is also adopted, the biological parents argument is hilariously one of the worst examples that guy could have picked, which jamie explained pretty well 🙌
I've been through the menopause, am I no longer a woman? 😂
With their definition, yes. It's so dumb.
@Tracey Coles You are a woman for as long as you identify as one.
The people who define women as only those able to give birth are also excluding pre-pubescent girls or people born with female anatomy who are otherwise infertile due to hysterectomy or scarring in the fallopian tubes from Chlamydia and the egg never reaches the uterus. They are only capable of the most limited thought processes, the people who assert that "baby machine" equals female/woman
Like how remember someone saying if a duck doesn't have webbed feet it's not a duck
You are one of my favourite youtubers, and im so excited for your upcoming book❤. You are one of the smartest youtubers too, lysm❤
This is a comment I made on a David G. McAfee post, thought I did pretty well for the limited medium. I'd think if I had a full TH-cam videos worth of time it would have been even easier.
Hi! Ciswoman here. Heard you needed one. Biological sex does present in the binary the large majority of the time. I've never denied that and in my 40 something years that's been the same for most of my peers. There is a difference between cis gender women and trans gender women. I wrote it out for you, cis meaning same, and trans meaning different. There is also something else we can see there, I wrote women twice. That wasn't a mistake. And just for fun I made another thing very clear, the word gender. Someone can be the same gender and sex, that's what I am, someone can be the "opposite" gender from their sex, and sometimes people can be a bit of a mix of all of the above, nonbinary, intersex, etc. Transgender is also a medical term. This means that the "man in a dress using the woman's bathroom" idea from the right is a logical fallacy. Men still don't belong in women's bathrooms, but transwomen do. I've never in my life felt in danger in the presence of a transwoman, but I've been assaulted multiple times by men. I think that covered it all. I don't expect it to mean very much to many of you, but it's there for anyone that needed to hear from a cishetwoman. I'm going to go eat a salad now lol.
The bathroom argument is so egregiously stupid. One thing I've seldom heard but often thought to myself when these loons spout off their bs is that men don't need to go to the lengths of disguising themselves as women/claiming to be women and going into women-only spaces to assault women because most places are NOT women-only. There are more than enough opportunities for men to commit these crimes without resorting to pretending to be a woman. Doing so is so ridiculously unnecessary that no one has any reason to do something that is such a hassle, if not outright dangerous precisely because of all the transphobes. That's not even getting started on the fact that most people are assaulted by people they know, not random strangers they might meet in a public loo. According to these kinds of people, transgender women are not only immoral men but also, they are determined to conduct their immorality in a way that requires an absurd amount of hassle and opens them up to harassment, assault, and worse.
@@BlueTressym Not only that, but also, if everyone has to use the bathroom of their AGAB, then there will be trans men in the ladies' room. In that case, cis men won't have to disguise themselves at all. They could just walk right into the ladies' room, and everyone would assume they are trans men.
I’m from the states, unfortunately, Missouri to be exact. Even in the bigger cities we still have SO MUCH transphobia and hate all around. It’s so sad and scary. Thank you Jamie for helping me feel less overwhelmed with the world around me.
I can't imagine what will happen to this guy's "logical" world view when he discovers the existence of cis women with PCOS, intersex people, or even something as simple as the concept of an abstract noun, whose sole purpose is describing and naming things that cannot be directly perceived with the five senses..
He's going to be really uncomfy when he realizes his God cannot be directly perceived with the five senses.