It's unfortunate people are so easily annoyed sometimes! Sorry you have make changes like that. Clickbaiting is nothing new and definitely not bad if it's explained or made fun of in the video. You made it very clear what the video was actually about and your thoughts on 'cancel' culture. I enjoyed the video! Thanks for putting it up ❤️
@@thecrownoffusion8420 no I don't blame them because they're allowed to feel however they want about it but old or new, viewers are still well aware by the time they watch the video, what it's actually about. If they still want to get caught up on the title after the fact and let that be the focus of their thoughts on it then they can do so. But I still think its unecessary and unfortunate.
I feel so bad for Shelly Duvall she seems like such a sweet and innocent person irl. She doesn’t have the actress persona that others have, she’s like an everyday person who got a big break in a huge movie and got taken advantage of.
She was in other movies before The Shining. She used to be Robert Altman's muse and was in some of his movies like? Nashville, 3 Women, and Popeye. I wouldn't say she was a great actress per se, but I see why Bob always loved to put her in his movies. There was an innocence about her
Shelley was already acting for almost a decade before The Shining! Can’t forget about all her phenomenal work with Altman (who originally discovered her) like 3 Women that she actually won Best Actress for at Cannes.
I actually didn't think Shelley did bad in The Shining. I remember when I watched the movie for the first time, I actually took her acting way more seriously than Jack. I could truly feel her fear through the movie. When I learned everything she went through, it made total sense to me why I believed her acting more than Jack. It truly makes me sad everything she went though all the work she put into her role to be treated so poorly. She truly deserves better.
It is pretty fucked up how she was nominated for a Razzie and it proves my point in how no matter how hard you try to make "good art" not everyone will like it because people are people and we all have different tastes
Really, I could kinda see where some of her acting was a little off, some of the dialogue with her and Jack just seemed scripted. But overall she didn’t do a bad job,
@@Jprager yeah, I mean her acting isn't for everybody. But the fact that she was basically abused, to just to be made fun of, and nominated for worst actress, is heartbreaking.
It took me a long time to understand what happened to Shelley with how stark the contrast to how Danny was treated. It was just mindblowing to me that Kubrick spent so much time protecting Danny from any horror aspect in the film to the point he didn't realize it was a horror movie until well into adulthood. Then to hear how abusive he was to Shelley felt like such a stark contrast.
It’s also truly sad when you see interviews where Shelley defends Kubrick’s treatment of her. Okay yes she was terrified which was what Wendy had to be once Jack loses his marbles, but it’s never okay to verbally abuse your actors/actresses
I got my partner to watch The Shining with me, and he laughed at Shelly's performance, he said it was silly and over the top (pretty sure it was the baseball bat scene). It's interesting because I felt the complete opposite! I felt choked up for her. She was hysterical but she was afraid for her and her son's life and she was all alone. Total different perspectives and I wonder if gender comes into it a bit
He's been dead for 22 years. If anyone is worried about him being cancelled, don't. He's not around to give a shit about people's extremely valid criticisms of his piss poor behavior.
For all the people who are commenting to not cancel Kubrick…. If u watch the video she explains that cancel culture in itself can be toxic and that’s not really her intention. She wanted to bring Kubricks actions to the light and talk about the toxic filming environment…. don’t spam this queen w that without actually listening to the knowledge she has to share w us
To state how can you cancel someone who is dead? Its more effective (whether small or big because some suffer more then others) when the person is alive and not dead (especially when they died before I was born)
@@aden.e watched it. Doesn't matter. If she doesn't want people thinking she's trying to cancel someone, or if she has issues with cancel culture, then she should change the name of the video plain and simple. Cause it literally says "cancelling kubrik" you can not argue or defend that.
Kubrick was an absolute genius in terms of filmmaking, so was Alfred Hitchcock. However, their onset treatment of some of the actresses in their movies is just… wrong
@@unstablebrother apparently he pressured Tippi Hendren (The Birds, Marnie) into sexual favors and threatened to ruin her career if she didn't give in. It sucks because I love Hitch even if he did terrible stuff 😔
@@PatrickWDunne he even went after Vera Miles too & he was downright furious when she got pregnant shortly after being cast in ‘Vertigo’ (she was set to play Madeleine). That’s why she was in ‘Psycho” to finish her contract; Vera has been vocal much like Tippi
in a clockwork orange malcolm mcdowell ended up with scratched corneas after the ludovico technique scene where his eyes were held open by metal devices, the devices were meant for patients who were lying down but for the shot kubrick made him sit upright and resulted in scratched corneas :/ amazing films but i can’t respect him as a person
Ouch, I’ve scratched my corneas multiple times It’s such a terrible pain. Every time you blink it feels like it’s being scratched all over again. The pain is not the worst but the knowing that the eye watering and constant scratching feeling is going to last for days is hell. I even made myself a eyepatch so I didn’t blink to avoid the pain and constant eye watering. Mcdowell’s pain was probably even worse because it happened from metal.
The Shining is Shelley Duvall’s movie TO ME!!!! I was in contact with her recently through a mutual friend and she is still proud of Shining and values the lessons she learned, although it was difficult. We should still acknowledge that ❤️
The Shining is one of my favorite movies, but Kubrick's mistreatment of Shelley was so wrong. Now when I watch it, I have so much respect for Shelley and the character of Wendy she portrays because both have gone through a lot
I adore your content dude, and with absolutely no negativity, stop being afraid to express yourself on this platform. Your art should never come with compromise due to pleasing others, keep it up girl, long time fan.
I remember watching Vivian Kubrick's documentary and the way her dad spoke to Shelly Duvall on the set seemed really, really off. I've heard various Kubrick apologists fall back on 'he was merely trying to coax the best performance out of her', and it's a load of guff. He was really awful to her. Surely a masterful auteur wouldn't need to stress his actors to the point of breakdown, for them to produce their finest work. Friedkin did much the same, on the set of The Exorcist. The 70s were a time when the director was God and could get away with a ton of unacceptable twattery, alas.
my fav fact that I read about the Shining was that since the actor that played Danny was a little kid, they didn't show him the full movie, but an edited version where they cut out all the "scary" scenes, and he said that he thought the movie was so boring seeing it, he thought it's just a boring movie about a family living in a hotel
Ok shit like this makes me hate the amount of elitism within the art community. I have held the belief of Art is Subjective for a long time because I believe the "Art id Objective" mindset causes alot of elitism and perfectionism. Hearing his behavior to me seems like he had a deep insecurity of his work "not being good" so he pushed so hard and making them miserable so he can get authenticity and that seems like a abusive cop out to me. I said this on the previous video of this series but me as a aspiring filmmaker (for lack of a better term because I would rather prefer making shows) I would hate to do this to any actor or crew i would work with and filmmakers shouldn't make people miserable to make "good art" because no matter how many drafts and takes are done not everyone will like it and that's it because people are people who have different things that appeal to them so accepting that is a crucial step in being a good artist and good person EDIT: To add you can disagree with me all you want just stating my opinion
I completely agree! I see people defending his actions in the name of “art” and that he wasn’t that bad, but he 100% had issues he took out on the actors and pushed them way too far imo
I just love the Toxic Horror Movie Sets series. Of course, I'm still aghast how people treat their actors, but I think these episodes are well researched
For those about to write comments griping about cancel culture, snowflakes, and “Good luck cancelling someone who’s dead” don’t worry, she’s not actually “cancelling” anyone. If you didn’t hear the disclaimer at the start then you probably aren’t watching the video anyway. Just leave, you don’t have to tell everyone that you don’t like this video that you didn’t watch.
@@thanosnaclor Idk what you mean by that, but may I point out that you’ve made 12 other comments on her videos and the 3 I can see are about cancel culture (which OP isn’t a part of, like I said), calling her superficial, and one is just a rude comment about a hat she’s wearing (???). Why are you here if you don’t like what she says? Just to troll? Bc I’m sure you have SOME self-control to not click the video that you know you won’t like. And even if you do, you’re allowed to leave at any point! Unless you’re just ~dying~ to tell this random stranger how wrong her personal opinion is, and how she’s not as big-brain as you.
@@moss_yt I guess cause when people see things like "cancel culture" (which is a thing that originated from Black women online who found a way to express something they wouldn't support and it has been co opted by the rest of social media btw) which is basically used as a boogeyman people will get antsy and type out their views. I agree it can have its disparities but people shouldn't be immune to criticism whether living or dead (although "cancel culture" is more effective if the person is alive in my view)
hearing what happened to shelly breaks my heart, i'm sure she was terrified of being blacklisted if she didn't go through with the movie. all i can think about when hearing this is trauma that i'm sure will last with her for the rest of her life. i hope she's doing okay. this series was such a good idea, very interesting stuff!
I feel for Shelly Duvall. Also Kubrick was very manipulative to Malcolm McDowel on A Clockwork Orange. Kubrick convinced Malcolm they were best friends while filming but as soon as they were done filming Kubrick never spoke to him again. Kubrick had a pattern of this in the '70's at least.
I understand Kubrick wanted the best out of Shelly. But the way he went about it was totally unethical. The poor woman has publicly stated he contributed to a few of her mental health issues. She did deserve better. It’s no wonder she wants nothing to do with Hollywood now. The experience put her perspective into a really dark one on filmmakers. Poor woman And completely agree I feel it is overhyped in the horror community. It dosent hold a candle to the Stephen king book. You can never surpass the king of horror!
Her performance is what sinks the movie for me, it's just annoying. Over the years as I've learned what she went through I feel bad for her but it doesn't change what's on screen.
I adore The Shining but I never understood why it was necessary for Shelly Duvall to go through so much psychologically in order to get what Kubrick wanted. The film is effective because its haunting and has beautiful shots, not because you could see the exhaustion in the actors' performances
Oh lort Sarah, you've angered the Kubrick cult boys. 😆 "hE wAs A gEnIuS!" Oh really? If he was so great, he wouldn't have needed to mentally and physically scar his actors in order to "get the shot". There are so many other ways to get your actors to do what you want. If he was such a genius, he would have been a better director. 🤷🏻♀️
I think it’s important to acknowledge the behind the scenes stuff that’s gone into making some of these iconic movies and conditions the actors/actresses were put through. It’s not an attack on the product of the film itself but a look behind the curtain we see into how the movie was made. Lots of our favorite movies had some crazy and/or arguably bad things happen on set.
Have never been a fan of Kubrick and when I first learned about his on set treatment of, particularly, Shelley Duval, it only made me less impressed with him. Everyone seems to love that film and I hated it, as it is not the book at all, and frankly, didn't scare me at all. As a King fan since 1979, I'll stick with King!
I love the movie, but totally understand disliking Kubrick. It’s rude to put actors through so much when they are professionals and are trained to tap into these characters and their emotions. It’s doubting their abilities, it’s messed up!!
@@eminemfan50098 Critically acclaimed?? 💀💀 I love The Shining but it was literally nominated to Razzie Awards and was destroyed by critics, it only became a cult classic on recent years but critical darling it wasn't
@@thatlemonadeguy6742 The person was being a bit of a dick but i dont think a film has to be be initially well received to count as critically acclaimed
Shelly deserves THE WORLD and her performance was the standout for me. I don't care for the film at all, in part due to how he treated his cast, but she brought everything she had.
Not a horror movie director but one of my favorite movie directors is Sidney Pollack. I haven't watched all of his work. I have only seen Tootsie and his movie debut, The Slender Thread. He gets a lot out of his actors but always treats them with the amount of respect and care they deserve. That's coming from the actors who have worked with him. For example, when Anne Bancroft had to do a suicide scene in The Slender Thread, she was wearing a heavy wet suit when she had to go in the water. It got to the point where she had a scare, and Pollack and others had to help her. As scary as that was, it was nice to see Sidney stop and help her. Jane Fonda had positive things to say about him when she was in his other film, They Shoot Horses, Don't They? (which is a commentary on American greed). She said he would always ask for her opinion on things like? What she thought he could do with the script. To me, that's how directors should direct...
No I am really glad you made this video! Kubrick made incredible movies but he also did a lot of terrible things while filming and those deserve to be brought up when discussing his work.
As far as Kubrick saying that King's writing was "weak," I think what he most likely meant was as a screenwriter. In 1979 King had never written a screenplay before and it wouldn't surprise me if his script wasn't great. I also think that, while King is an excellent novelist, he's not very good at screenwriting; you can see this in CREEPSHOW and THE STAND miniseries.
im not saying people are wrong for feeling that the character change felt misogynistic, but why is it bad for a woman to be whiny and crying when shes scared for her life? why does a woman being emotional make her a bad character? i think women can be 'weak' and they dont have to be strong in terrifying situations. its interesting how men seem to have a problem with how shelly acted her character but a lot of women resonate with it
I can understand why King didn’t like the movie. If I wrote a book and the director insulted my writing and then ruined my version of my own character I’d be PISSED.
It can be permantly psychologically damaging if you put someone through that for even a single month. I'm sorry, there is absolutely no condition where it's okay to treat someone like Shelly was treated by everyone on the set of the Shining.
the eyeball scene in a clockwork orange was real. malcom mcdowell actually scratched his cornea and was partially blind for awhile. the man putting eye drops in his eyes was a real doctor. one of my favorite movies ever tho!
This "suffer for the art" complex has always been a very hot topic in art circles, specially cinema. I remember a few months ago I commented about how terrible it was for Hugh Jackman not to drink water for more than 70 hours when acting in Les Miseràbles. A lot of film Bros attacked me saying I didn't understand how art works and only true artists would suffer for what they do, but honestly; how good of an actor you really are if you have to play the role of a person who is dehydrated so you dehydrate yourself?
I liked the character of Wendy in The Shining. She came across as a sweet person who wanted to support her husband, but when her husband became extremely malevolent and violent, she succeeded in saving herself and her son. That's not a weak character.
I have no knowledge of filmmaking, but it seems to me that taking 127 shots of a scene wouldn't make much difference after like the 10th take. Unless obviously your explicit goal is to drain the actor emotionally and physically.
Woman have been so abused in horror in the past. Actresses like Sandra Peabody when filming Last House on the Left and Marilyn Burns in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What was done to them while trying to work as an actress is sickening.
just my personal assumption but what are the chances that what she said for the public was just her afraid of the ramifications if she said anything else?
When I was 16 years old (2005), I lived in the same town as Shelly. She was a frequent patron of the restaurants I work at and I saw her almost daily. And after personally knowing her and having countless conversations with her, I refuse to watch the Shinning movie to this day. I never knew her as a celebrity she was just a lost soul who had severe emotional and psychological problems. She was a tortured soul who was afraid of any and everything. She said the FBI was listening to her, kids or aliens were in her pipes, there were implants in her head, she drove around with bags of cash in her car, her car was filled with clothes and toys, she would order 7 items from the menu, everything had to be in togo containers even the food she wanted to eat there, she cried a lot…… I was told eventually by some towns folk of who she was and that she was crazy. That she was Olive Oil from Popeye or Wendy from the Shining. I don’t know if a year of working on the Shining made her this way or if it had a hand in helping her towards a path of psychosis but damn she was and is still broken.
I love the movie… it makes me unnerved… a large part of that however is Wendy. I don’t really LIKE Nicholson’s character in the film, so when she hits him with the bat, or the knife after Here’s Johnny, or even when she gets away with Danny I always smile and shout and rejoice because she kicked his ass and got away… I don’t care who you are, actor director etc. I’m not going to stand by and be mistreated; so I commend Shelley for enduring it, and feel horrible that it cost her so much. At the end of the day, I’d rather be more mentally stable and walk off a set than tortured and part of a “classic”. It’s not worth it, and it’s inexcusable. I’ve honestly often wondered how much legal leg Shelley would have had to stand on if she’d tried to bring suit against him for intentional infliction of emotional distress… She has a very clearly documented case… but I don’t know how much weight it would hold legally speaking.
He has certainly made some classic films but I feel like anyone could piece together a classic if they have 100 takes to work with for every scene. However, I don't think Kubrick was off-base for saying that King was a weak writer if he was speaking in terms of his screenwriting abilities. Stephen King is a horror genius, there's no debating that. But he does not write the best screenplays. He only did the screenplays for a handful of his films - and none were his best work. All of his highest rated and most well known films were adapted by screenwriters - not King himself. Gerald's Game, It (any of them), Shawshank, Stand By Me, Misery, Green Mile... just to name a few. We wouldn't have these stories without King's genius but he's not a screenwriter. I think Kubrick did a better job adapting it to film, even if it wasn't exactly like the book.
I'd also urge everyone to read the Hollywood Reporter interview with Duvall in February of this year. Especially as it doesn't just deal with The Shining.
The video has just begun but just by the title I can agree that Kubrick was very strict and in a way reminds me a lot of Hitchcock. The Shining is great but yes, I felt bad for Shelley. When Kubrick was filming A Clockwork Orange (my fav Kubrick film) Malcolm McDowell said he really wanted to punch him, Jack Nicholson said the same.
Omg thank you for saying that! I have a huge problem with how the director treats his actor's. And having that knowledge of him definitely influences my opinion of him.
I never found The Shining scary, or even creepy . I don't know why. I never loved his movies either. Im not just trying to be anti Kubrick, i've seen most of his movies and I have never had the urge to re watch them. When I have I find them underwhelming. That's putting it nicely. I think his influence in cinema is obviously great, but I don't rate him much, or as highly as he is regarded as a film maker. I think hes over rated, one of the most overly regarded people in cinema. I think Hitchcock, for example, is so much better as a same-era director. Much MUCH better movies, too.
@@michaelsims1160 presuming a lack of understanding is pretty arrogant. I've watched, studied, researched his symbolism, allegory, technique and looked into the layers of commentary that his movies make in their own aspects with documentaries, programmes and watched other cinematic critics giving their opinions and praise, and I just don't share the taste for his movies. I have tried to appreciate them. I've rewatached a few of them and I understand why people love them so much but I don't have a problem admitting that I do not. Another thing is when you say that you get people making assumptions like you must be missing something to not like them - like you did there or acting like you just denied gravity or something. He's a film maker. His products are subject to be disliked, that's the beauty of art. Its subjective and subjectively recieved. I still find things to like in his movies and about them.. but that's as far as it goes. So please don't be so assumptive and presuming that just because I'm not a fan there was some kind of intellectual gap in my appreciation that must explain my distaste in his work. That's very arrogant indeed.
The book is wonderful and for me Stanley Kubrick butchered the whole story, just the fact that he made Jack appear as the evil one destroys everything just like he did with A Clockwork Orange... And really how much would it cost if he was respectful with both the actors and Stephen King? I feel so sad for Shelley...
I definitely recommend checking out the 1997 Miniseries. Especially if you prefer the book over Kubrick's film. The miniseries is much more faithful to the original story. It really captures the depth of the characters. Wendy in the miniseries has more agency, Jack has a tragic arc and isn't just crazy from the beginning like he is in the film, and Danny gets to be more than just a plot device. The miniseries is well cast and well acted. It isn't perfect (there are a couple of CGI effects that don't quite hold up), but I think it is much better than a lot of people give it credit for. I know some people hate on the miniseries because it isn't anything like the Kubrick film, but that's because the Kubrick film has very little in common with the book. It is a worthy adaptation of Stephen King's novel.
I think there is a general consensus about Kubrick that he's a genius, but also a POS. His treatment of Shelly Duvall was atrocious but he also isn't Roman Polanski or Woody Allen.
I'm not certain of what you're trying to say with that last sentence, but I do hope you know trauma is not classifiable by hierarchy or that pain is something to be measured in a scale.
I understand your hesitation to make a video like this. A couple of months ago I commented on another video talking about the shining and I mentioned how toxic he was and proceeded to get a ton of hate comments that I wasn't expecting.
I agree with your opinion so much! I think the Shining is very overhyped and I don't understand why..like it is ok, but I would not re-watch it more than twice, it doesn't scare me, it doesn't really entertain me and now knowing what the actors (and the crew too I'm sure) went through it seems even worse. Also when you said: " He put everyone through that in order to get that movie" I laughed, because it's so true! Great video as always!!
Sarah ! I really admire you for not being scared to post these kind of videos , I really learned so much stuff I didn’t know . I agree with you , the shining is great BUT it’s not the best horror ever . I’m glad doctor sleep exists
The movie of the Shining is an unnecessarily misogynistic hellscape, and nothing is worth treating a human the way Shelley Duvall was treated. Stan sucks 🤷♀️
There was so many good things in The Shining but the acting was not imo. The worse was not Wendy but Jack, the character was over the top with no subtlety and transformation
I completely agree with what you’re saying here! I’ve always had issues with Stanley Kubrick’s films and The Shining. As a director and someone with a theatre degree, actually trying to get “natural” emotions like that isn’t directing or acting. If you’re genuinely having a reaction like this, that’s not acting you have to trust that the actors can do their job and you guide them to do that well. Also method acting isn’t acting. Again, just my opinion but I have feelings about this movie and these methods. So glad to see someone else talk about these problems!
I felt terrible for Wendy. She came across as a naive housewife who loved her child and didn't know what to do in a domestic abuse situation. I feel like she developed as the movie progressed and found her bravery. That's my take. Really love The Shining, but to disrespect Mr. Stephen King!! 😳
I love this series so much. Personally I find this movie to be overhyped. The book was one of my favorite Stephen King books and I much preferred it to the movie.
i always wondered what Stephen King thought of Kubrick’s treatment of Shelly. i know he said he didn’t like her performance as Wendy but did he even take in account what was actually going on behind the scenes??
Obviously this an older video so I'm late, but I just found you. The Shining is one of my all time favorite movies. I was born in 1971 so I do love movies from "my" time. I've seen it countless times and for a long time I thought Shelly Duvall's performance was over the top, but over the years I realized it was actually perfect. She looked so helpless and weak and ridiculous but in the end she outsmarted Jack. I knew about how poorly she was treated on the set and that is so wrong and makes me sad. It gives me even more admiration for her performance in that movie. I'm no Kubrick fan. I hate the rest of his movies that I've seen, but I do love The Shining.
apparently jack was known for blowing take upon take filming a bunch of movies, only 'getting it' after he'd done several takes. so, kubrick's probably blaming shelley for something that jack was doing after the fact.
I've actually really liked Duvall's work in the Shining, her work compliments Nicholson's and vise versa, it wouldn't be The Shining without either of them
So, the shining has been my favourite horror movie for quite a while. I saw it first when I was a kid and many times since, and I also agree that Stanley Kubricks directing “techniques” were horrible, and his treatments of people were disgusting. But, it shocks me completely that people say Shelley Duvalls acting was bad, because to me it was so amazing, and at the same level as jack Nicholson in the movie. I actually was always astonished how amazing and believable her acting was. It was truly terrifying to see and really took you into the movie.
there I changed the title for y’all, no more clickbait from here on out got it.
It's unfortunate people are so easily annoyed sometimes! Sorry you have make changes like that. Clickbaiting is nothing new and definitely not bad if it's explained or made fun of in the video. You made it very clear what the video was actually about and your thoughts on 'cancel' culture. I enjoyed the video! Thanks for putting it up ❤️
People are so whiny, I don't think you should've changed it in my opinion. 🧡
love the video as always, sorry people on the internet are the way they are /:
@@thecrownoffusion8420 no I don't blame them because they're allowed to feel however they want about it but old or new, viewers are still well aware by the time they watch the video, what it's actually about. If they still want to get caught up on the title after the fact and let that be the focus of their thoughts on it then they can do so. But I still think its unecessary and unfortunate.
What did it say before?
I feel so bad for Shelly Duvall she seems like such a sweet and innocent person irl. She doesn’t have the actress persona that others have, she’s like an everyday person who got a big break in a huge movie and got taken advantage of.
She was in other movies before The Shining. She used to be Robert Altman's muse and was in some of his movies like? Nashville, 3 Women, and Popeye. I wouldn't say she was a great actress per se, but I see why Bob always loved to put her in his movies. There was an innocence about her
@@rebeccassweetmusic4632 I completely forgot she played olive oyl
Shelley was already acting for almost a decade before The Shining! Can’t forget about all her phenomenal work with Altman (who originally discovered her) like 3 Women that she actually won Best Actress for at Cannes.
I liked her acting. This is the first I'm hearing of people not liking her acting. If this is true, I think she's gotten a bad rap.
@@MarsM13 Valid point!
I actually didn't think Shelley did bad in The Shining. I remember when I watched the movie for the first time, I actually took her acting way more seriously than Jack. I could truly feel her fear through the movie. When I learned everything she went through, it made total sense to me why I believed her acting more than Jack. It truly makes me sad everything she went though all the work she put into her role to be treated so poorly. She truly deserves better.
It is pretty fucked up how she was nominated for a Razzie and it proves my point in how no matter how hard you try to make "good art" not everyone will like it because people are people and we all have different tastes
Really, I could kinda see where some of her acting was a little off, some of the dialogue with her and Jack just seemed scripted. But overall she didn’t do a bad job,
@@devonmunn5728 yes exactly. I feel worse for her because of how much she suffered.
@@Jprager yeah, I mean her acting isn't for everybody. But the fact that she was basically abused, to just to be made fun of, and nominated for worst actress, is heartbreaking.
Yes her character made me scared for her and the kid
It took me a long time to understand what happened to Shelley with how stark the contrast to how Danny was treated. It was just mindblowing to me that Kubrick spent so much time protecting Danny from any horror aspect in the film to the point he didn't realize it was a horror movie until well into adulthood. Then to hear how abusive he was to Shelley felt like such a stark contrast.
It’s also truly sad when you see interviews where Shelley defends Kubrick’s treatment of her. Okay yes she was terrified which was what Wendy had to be once Jack loses his marbles, but it’s never okay to verbally abuse your actors/actresses
I got my partner to watch The Shining with me, and he laughed at Shelly's performance, he said it was silly and over the top (pretty sure it was the baseball bat scene). It's interesting because I felt the complete opposite! I felt choked up for her. She was hysterical but she was afraid for her and her son's life and she was all alone. Total different perspectives and I wonder if gender comes into it a bit
No i found her performance annoying i kept skipping that scene and im a 27 year old female .. i just hate screaming cries
@@Littlekitten_ The character had been abused by his husband for a lot of times, of course she’s going to react that way!
Nah gender isn't anything to do with it. I'm male and I adore her performance.
He's been dead for 22 years. If anyone is worried about him being cancelled, don't. He's not around to give a shit about people's extremely valid criticisms of his piss poor behavior.
For all the people who are commenting to not cancel Kubrick…. If u watch the video she explains that cancel culture in itself can be toxic and that’s not really her intention. She wanted to bring Kubricks actions to the light and talk about the toxic filming environment…. don’t spam this queen w that without actually listening to the knowledge she has to share w us
To state how can you cancel someone who is dead? Its more effective (whether small or big because some suffer more then others) when the person is alive and not dead (especially when they died before I was born)
@LibV1 watch the first minute of the video
@@aden.e watched it. Doesn't matter. If she doesn't want people thinking she's trying to cancel someone, or if she has issues with cancel culture, then she should change the name of the video plain and simple. Cause it literally says "cancelling kubrik" you can not argue or defend that.
@@eminemfan50098 it’s just a title chill my guy
@@eminemfan50098 Dude, it is not that serious. The title of the video has ZERO impact on your personal life. It's not a dick, stop taking it so hard.
Kubrick was an absolute genius in terms of filmmaking, so was Alfred Hitchcock. However, their onset treatment of some of the actresses in their movies is just… wrong
What did Hitchcock do?
@@unstablebrother apparently he pressured Tippi Hendren (The Birds, Marnie) into sexual favors and threatened to ruin her career if she didn't give in. It sucks because I love Hitch even if he did terrible stuff 😔
@@unstablebrother Check out the 2012 film "The Girl" with Sienna Miller as Tippi Hedren and Toby Jones as Hitchcock. This will answer your question.
@@actfray thanks for the recommendation, I’ve never heard of this movie but it looks really good
@@PatrickWDunne he even went after Vera Miles too & he was downright furious when she got pregnant shortly after being cast in ‘Vertigo’ (she was set to play Madeleine). That’s why she was in ‘Psycho” to finish her contract; Vera has been vocal much like Tippi
in a clockwork orange malcolm mcdowell ended up with scratched corneas after the ludovico technique scene where his eyes were held open by metal devices, the devices were meant for patients who were lying down but for the shot kubrick made him sit upright and resulted in scratched corneas :/ amazing films but i can’t respect him as a person
Ouch, I’ve scratched my corneas multiple times It’s such a terrible pain. Every time you blink it feels like it’s being scratched all over again. The pain is not the worst but the knowing that the eye watering and constant scratching feeling is going to last for days is hell. I even made myself a eyepatch so I didn’t blink to avoid the pain and constant eye watering. Mcdowell’s pain was probably even worse because it happened from metal.
The Shining is Shelley Duvall’s movie TO ME!!!! I was in contact with her recently through a mutual friend and she is still proud of Shining and values the lessons she learned, although it was difficult. We should still acknowledge that ❤️
The Shining is one of my favorite movies, but Kubrick's mistreatment of Shelley was so wrong. Now when I watch it, I have so much respect for Shelley and the character of Wendy she portrays because both have gone through a lot
I adore your content dude, and with absolutely no negativity, stop being afraid to express yourself on this platform. Your art should never come with compromise due to pleasing others, keep it up girl, long time fan.
thank you so much! I really want to get to that place but I always piss so many people off no matter what I do!
Please stop calling a lady DUDE...it just doesn't sound right
@@jonathanswift2251 why does it bother you so much, lady?
@@jonathanswift2251 dude is kinda gender neutral is certain contexts
@@toddpacker4683 ok
I remember watching Vivian Kubrick's documentary and the way her dad spoke to Shelly Duvall on the set seemed really, really off. I've heard various Kubrick apologists fall back on 'he was merely trying to coax the best performance out of her', and it's a load of guff. He was really awful to her. Surely a masterful auteur wouldn't need to stress his actors to the point of breakdown, for them to produce their finest work.
Friedkin did much the same, on the set of The Exorcist.
The 70s were a time when the director was God and could get away with a ton of unacceptable twattery, alas.
my fav fact that I read about the Shining was that since the actor that played Danny was a little kid, they didn't show him the full movie, but an edited version where they cut out all the "scary" scenes, and he said that he thought the movie was so boring seeing it, he thought it's just a boring movie about a family living in a hotel
If you need over a hundred takes, maybe the problem isn't the actors, haha!
Ok shit like this makes me hate the amount of elitism within the art community. I have held the belief of Art is Subjective for a long time because I believe the "Art id Objective" mindset causes alot of elitism and perfectionism. Hearing his behavior to me seems like he had a deep insecurity of his work "not being good" so he pushed so hard and making them miserable so he can get authenticity and that seems like a abusive cop out to me. I said this on the previous video of this series but me as a aspiring filmmaker (for lack of a better term because I would rather prefer making shows) I would hate to do this to any actor or crew i would work with and filmmakers shouldn't make people miserable to make "good art" because no matter how many drafts and takes are done not everyone will like it and that's it because people are people who have different things that appeal to them so accepting that is a crucial step in being a good artist and good person
EDIT: To add you can disagree with me all you want just stating my opinion
I completely agree! I see people defending his actions in the name of “art” and that he wasn’t that bad, but he 100% had issues he took out on the actors and pushed them way too far imo
I also hate the “art is objective” mindset. It absolutely isn’t, and saying that only shuts down people with opinions in the minority.
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someone liked your opinion analysis of Kubrick's work and directing.
@@patrickwentzell4638 I'm sorry what are you trying to say? I'm confused
I just love the Toxic Horror Movie Sets series. Of course, I'm still aghast how people treat their actors, but I think these episodes are well researched
wtf is wrong with these ppl in the comments
For those about to write comments griping about cancel culture, snowflakes, and “Good luck cancelling someone who’s dead” don’t worry, she’s not actually “cancelling” anyone. If you didn’t hear the disclaimer at the start then you probably aren’t watching the video anyway. Just leave, you don’t have to tell everyone that you don’t like this video that you didn’t watch.
@@thanosnaclor Idk what you mean by that, but may I point out that you’ve made 12 other comments on her videos and the 3 I can see are about cancel culture (which OP isn’t a part of, like I said), calling her superficial, and one is just a rude comment about a hat she’s wearing (???).
Why are you here if you don’t like what she says? Just to troll? Bc I’m sure you have SOME self-control to not click the video that you know you won’t like. And even if you do, you’re allowed to leave at any point! Unless you’re just ~dying~ to tell this random stranger how wrong her personal opinion is, and how she’s not as big-brain as you.
@@moss_yt I guess cause when people see things like "cancel culture" (which is a thing that originated from Black women online who found a way to express something they wouldn't support and it has been co opted by the rest of social media btw) which is basically used as a boogeyman people will get antsy and type out their views. I agree it can have its disparities but people shouldn't be immune to criticism whether living or dead (although "cancel culture" is more effective if the person is alive in my view)
hearing what happened to shelly breaks my heart, i'm sure she was terrified of being blacklisted if she didn't go through with the movie. all i can think about when hearing this is trauma that i'm sure will last with her for the rest of her life. i hope she's doing okay. this series was such a good idea, very interesting stuff!
I feel for Shelly Duvall. Also Kubrick was very manipulative to Malcolm McDowel on A Clockwork Orange. Kubrick convinced Malcolm they were best friends while filming but as soon as they were done filming Kubrick never spoke to him again. Kubrick had a pattern of this in the '70's at least.
I understand Kubrick wanted the best out of Shelly. But the way he went about it was totally unethical. The poor woman has publicly stated he contributed to a few of her mental health issues. She did deserve better. It’s no wonder she wants nothing to do with Hollywood now. The experience put her perspective into a really dark one on filmmakers. Poor woman
And completely agree I feel it is overhyped in the horror community. It dosent hold a candle to the Stephen king book. You can never surpass the king of horror!
I thought everyone loved Shelly’s acting, I mean i do
Her performance is what sinks the movie for me, it's just annoying. Over the years as I've learned what she went through I feel bad for her but it doesn't change what's on screen.
"Hey your writing sucks, but can you give me some tips on the script?"
I adore The Shining but I never understood why it was necessary for Shelly Duvall to go through so much psychologically in order to get what Kubrick wanted. The film is effective because its haunting and has beautiful shots, not because you could see the exhaustion in the actors' performances
Oh lort Sarah, you've angered the Kubrick cult boys. 😆 "hE wAs A gEnIuS!" Oh really? If he was so great, he wouldn't have needed to mentally and physically scar his actors in order to "get the shot". There are so many other ways to get your actors to do what you want. If he was such a genius, he would have been a better director. 🤷🏻♀️
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Hahaha stupid take.... How many classic movies have you made??? Exactly hahaha..
I agree.. there are lots of directors who have made amazing movies without torturing and traumatizing the actors.
@@arizonaFIREent exactly what? Lmao. Is that little “insult” your brilliant take?
It sounds to me like Stanley just doesn't think any actors are good enough for him.
I think it’s important to acknowledge the behind the scenes stuff that’s gone into making some of these iconic movies and conditions the actors/actresses were put through. It’s not an attack on the product of the film itself but a look behind the curtain we see into how the movie was made. Lots of our favorite movies had some crazy and/or arguably bad things happen on set.
Have never been a fan of Kubrick and when I first learned about his on set treatment of, particularly, Shelley Duval, it only made me less impressed with him. Everyone seems to love that film and I hated it, as it is not the book at all, and frankly, didn't scare me at all. As a King fan since 1979, I'll stick with King!
Cool no one cares that you don't like one of the most critically acclaimed films ever. Just means you got shit taste lol
@@eminemfan50098 calm down big man
I love the movie, but totally understand disliking Kubrick. It’s rude to put actors through so much when they are professionals and are trained to tap into these characters and their emotions. It’s doubting their abilities, it’s messed up!!
@@eminemfan50098 Critically acclaimed?? 💀💀 I love The Shining but it was literally nominated to Razzie Awards and was destroyed by critics, it only became a cult classic on recent years but critical darling it wasn't
@@thatlemonadeguy6742 The person was being a bit of a dick but i dont think a film has to be be initially well received to count as critically acclaimed
Shelly deserves THE WORLD and her performance was the standout for me. I don't care for the film at all, in part due to how he treated his cast, but she brought everything she had.
Not a horror movie director but one of my favorite movie directors is Sidney Pollack. I haven't watched all of his work. I have only seen Tootsie and his movie debut, The Slender Thread. He gets a lot out of his actors but always treats them with the amount of respect and care they deserve. That's coming from the actors who have worked with him. For example, when Anne Bancroft had to do a suicide scene in The Slender Thread, she was wearing a heavy wet suit when she had to go in the water. It got to the point where she had a scare, and Pollack and others had to help her. As scary as that was, it was nice to see Sidney stop and help her. Jane Fonda had positive things to say about him when she was in his other film, They Shoot Horses, Don't They? (which is a commentary on American greed). She said he would always ask for her opinion on things like? What she thought he could do with the script. To me, that's how directors should direct...
I’ve always felt so bad for Shelly, she didn’t deserve this, I get she signed up for it but where is the line for art ?!?
I find it odd that Duvall's acting is criticized and Nicholson's is praised. Her acting seems authentic while his has some of his trademark mugging.
No I am really glad you made this video! Kubrick made incredible movies but he also did a lot of terrible things while filming and those deserve to be brought up when discussing his work.
As far as Kubrick saying that King's writing was "weak," I think what he most likely meant was as a screenwriter. In 1979 King had never written a screenplay before and it wouldn't surprise me if his script wasn't great. I also think that, while King is an excellent novelist, he's not very good at screenwriting; you can see this in CREEPSHOW and THE STAND miniseries.
It’s still disrespectful to say to the man whose work you are adapting
im not saying people are wrong for feeling that the character change felt misogynistic, but why is it bad for a woman to be whiny and crying when shes scared for her life? why does a woman being emotional make her a bad character? i think women can be 'weak' and they dont have to be strong in terrifying situations. its interesting how men seem to have a problem with how shelly acted her character but a lot of women resonate with it
This reminds me of the exorcist director also being very abusive on set. Film making was very different back then
Comparing the book to the movie to the miniseries would be an amaaazing video, ngl. I would absolutely love that.
I can understand why King didn’t like the movie. If I wrote a book and the director insulted my writing and then ruined my version of my own character I’d be PISSED.
It can be permantly psychologically damaging if you put someone through that for even a single month. I'm sorry, there is absolutely no condition where it's okay to treat someone like Shelly was treated by everyone on the set of the Shining.
the eyeball scene in a clockwork orange was real. malcom mcdowell actually scratched his cornea and was partially blind for awhile. the man putting eye drops in his eyes was a real doctor. one of my favorite movies ever tho!
That scene made me cringe.
The Shining is one of my fav movies but I had no idea about any of this. Thank you for bringing this to light
I feel sorry for Shelley Duval, she deserved better...I hope she's doing good now.
thanks for talking about this when most people ignore it!
This "suffer for the art" complex has always been a very hot topic in art circles, specially cinema. I remember a few months ago I commented about how terrible it was for Hugh Jackman not to drink water for more than 70 hours when acting in Les Miseràbles. A lot of film Bros attacked me saying I didn't understand how art works and only true artists would suffer for what they do, but honestly; how good of an actor you really are if you have to play the role of a person who is dehydrated so you dehydrate yourself?
the comments LSKJDKF im so sorry sarah, thanks for the video
sarah i feel sorry for the amount of pea sized brain commenters you’re getting on this one😭 great video 🤗
I liked the character of Wendy in The Shining. She came across as a sweet person who wanted to support her husband, but when her husband became extremely malevolent and violent, she succeeded in saving herself and her son. That's not a weak character.
Sadly Shelley Duvall isn’t doing great. Begs the question how much of this treatment is to blame.
For what it's worth, the Hollywood Reporter did an interview with her maybe a year ago and she seemed better than in the TV interview
I have no knowledge of filmmaking, but it seems to me that taking 127 shots of a scene wouldn't make much difference after like the 10th take. Unless obviously your explicit goal is to drain the actor emotionally and physically.
The Shining is one of my favorite horror movies of all time. Shelley Duvall 100% deserved better. ❤
I read somewhere that Scatman Crowthers broke down and yelled "What do you want from me?!?" to Kubrick.
bold of him to say that king's writing for the script was "weak" when the movie is basically just a stripped down and worse version of the original
I can’t be the only one who thinks she was not bad in it
Woman have been so abused in horror in the past. Actresses like Sandra Peabody when filming Last House on the Left and Marilyn Burns in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What was done to them while trying to work as an actress is sickening.
just my personal assumption but what are the chances that what she said for the public was just her afraid of the ramifications if she said anything else?
that’s my thoughts exactly but since it’s just speculation, I didn’t wanna say anything in the video or put words in her mouth :/
@@PossessedbyHorror that just sounds more likely to me than actually enjoying psychological torture, just saying...
When I was 16 years old (2005), I lived in the same town as Shelly. She was a frequent patron of the restaurants I work at and I saw her almost daily. And after personally knowing her and having countless conversations with her, I refuse to watch the Shinning movie to this day.
I never knew her as a celebrity she was just a lost soul who had severe emotional and psychological problems.
She was a tortured soul who was afraid of any and everything. She said the FBI was listening to her, kids or aliens were in her pipes, there were implants in her head, she drove around with bags of cash in her car, her car was filled with clothes and toys, she would order 7 items from the menu, everything had to be in togo containers even the food she wanted to eat there, she cried a lot……
I was told eventually by some towns folk of who she was and that she was crazy. That she was Olive Oil from Popeye or Wendy from the Shining.
I don’t know if a year of working on the Shining made her this way or if it had a hand in helping her towards a path of psychosis but damn she was and is still broken.
Don't apologize for telling the truth ❤️
Kubrick was a sadist. I hate people forgive that just because he was an ok director.
Can we leave Sarah the hell alone? She's just sharing facts. Don't shoot the messenger
I love the movie… it makes me unnerved… a large part of that however is Wendy. I don’t really LIKE Nicholson’s character in the film, so when she hits him with the bat, or the knife after Here’s Johnny, or even when she gets away with Danny I always smile and shout and rejoice because she kicked his ass and got away… I don’t care who you are, actor director etc. I’m not going to stand by and be mistreated; so I commend Shelley for enduring it, and feel horrible that it cost her so much. At the end of the day, I’d rather be more mentally stable and walk off a set than tortured and part of a “classic”. It’s not worth it, and it’s inexcusable. I’ve honestly often wondered how much legal leg Shelley would have had to stand on if she’d tried to bring suit against him for intentional infliction of emotional distress… She has a very clearly documented case… but I don’t know how much weight it would hold legally speaking.
He has certainly made some classic films but I feel like anyone could piece together a classic if they have 100 takes to work with for every scene. However, I don't think Kubrick was off-base for saying that King was a weak writer if he was speaking in terms of his screenwriting abilities. Stephen King is a horror genius, there's no debating that. But he does not write the best screenplays. He only did the screenplays for a handful of his films - and none were his best work. All of his highest rated and most well known films were adapted by screenwriters - not King himself. Gerald's Game, It (any of them), Shawshank, Stand By Me, Misery, Green Mile... just to name a few. We wouldn't have these stories without King's genius but he's not a screenwriter. I think Kubrick did a better job adapting it to film, even if it wasn't exactly like the book.
We definitely have to see you do a comparison video of the book with the two films 👏💖
I'd also urge everyone to read the Hollywood Reporter interview with Duvall in February of this year. Especially as it doesn't just deal with The Shining.
I absolutely loved Shelley Duvall in The Shining -- from her first scene I found her captivating, and she was my favourite part of the film.
The video has just begun but just by the title I can agree that Kubrick was very strict and in a way reminds me a lot of Hitchcock. The Shining is great but yes, I felt bad for Shelley. When Kubrick was filming A Clockwork Orange (my fav Kubrick film) Malcolm McDowell said he really wanted to punch him, Jack Nicholson said the same.
Omg thank you for saying that! I have a huge problem with how the director treats his actor's. And having that knowledge of him definitely influences my opinion of him.
I never found The Shining scary, or even creepy . I don't know why. I never loved his movies either. Im not just trying to be anti Kubrick, i've seen most of his movies and I have never had the urge to re watch them. When I have I find them underwhelming. That's putting it nicely. I think his influence in cinema is obviously great, but I don't rate him much, or as highly as he is regarded as a film maker. I think hes over rated, one of the most overly regarded people in cinema. I think Hitchcock, for example, is so much better as a same-era director. Much MUCH better movies, too.
@@thanosnaclor *I so pale* ?
Guess you just don’t understand them then.
@@michaelsims1160 presuming a lack of understanding is pretty arrogant. I've watched, studied, researched his symbolism, allegory, technique and looked into the layers of commentary that his movies make in their own aspects with documentaries, programmes and watched other cinematic critics giving their opinions and praise, and I just don't share the taste for his movies.
I have tried to appreciate them. I've rewatached a few of them and I understand why people love them so much but I don't have a problem admitting that I do not.
Another thing is when you say that you get people making assumptions like you must be missing something to not like them - like you did there or acting like you just denied gravity or something.
He's a film maker. His products are subject to be disliked, that's the beauty of art. Its subjective and subjectively recieved.
I still find things to like in his movies and about them.. but that's as far as it goes.
So please don't be so assumptive and presuming that just because I'm not a fan there was some kind of intellectual gap in my appreciation that must explain my distaste in his work. That's very arrogant indeed.
I love The Shining but it's totally fine to look in the past and talk about history. This is a very unique video and very informative so thank you
The more I've watched The Shining over the years the more I've grown to like Shelley's performance and dislike Jack's
Yes please. Compare book to both movies. 🤩
The book is wonderful and for me Stanley Kubrick butchered the whole story, just the fact that he made Jack appear as the evil one destroys everything just like he did with A Clockwork Orange... And really how much would it cost if he was respectful with both the actors and Stephen King? I feel so sad for Shelley...
I can't believe some people think Shelley was bad in this movie?? I thought she was perfect for the role and I loved her mannerisms.
I definitely recommend checking out the 1997 Miniseries. Especially if you prefer the book over Kubrick's film. The miniseries is much more faithful to the original story. It really captures the depth of the characters. Wendy in the miniseries has more agency, Jack has a tragic arc and isn't just crazy from the beginning like he is in the film, and Danny gets to be more than just a plot device. The miniseries is well cast and well acted. It isn't perfect (there are a couple of CGI effects that don't quite hold up), but I think it is much better than a lot of people give it credit for. I know some people hate on the miniseries because it isn't anything like the Kubrick film, but that's because the Kubrick film has very little in common with the book. It is a worthy adaptation of Stephen King's novel.
I think there is a general consensus about Kubrick that he's a genius, but also a POS. His treatment of Shelly Duvall was atrocious but he also isn't Roman Polanski or Woody Allen.
Or Hitchcock
I agree!
I'm not certain of what you're trying to say with that last sentence, but I do hope you know trauma is not classifiable by hierarchy or that pain is something to be measured in a scale.
@@marianar2948 Polanski and Allen raped people.
@@neutralman9124 TBH, we don't know that Kubrick didn't. 🤷🏻♀️
Stanley kubrik made amazing movies by pushing people to the limits. I would say that regardless of how good the movie turns out that isn't worth it
I understand your hesitation to make a video like this. A couple of months ago I commented on another video talking about the shining and I mentioned how toxic he was and proceeded to get a ton of hate comments that I wasn't expecting.
I agree with your opinion so much! I think the Shining is very overhyped and I don't understand why..like it is ok, but I would not re-watch it more than twice, it doesn't scare me, it doesn't really entertain me and now knowing what the actors (and the crew too I'm sure) went through it seems even worse. Also when you said: " He put everyone through that in order to get that movie" I laughed, because it's so true! Great video as always!!
Sarah ! I really admire you for not being scared to post these kind of videos , I really learned so much stuff I didn’t know . I agree with you , the shining is great BUT it’s not the best horror ever . I’m glad doctor sleep exists
I agree the shining is overhyped, especially as a horror. I think it was a decently entertaining movie but that’s about it
Stephen's 1997 mini-series version is SUPERIOR...
The movie of the Shining is an unnecessarily misogynistic hellscape, and nothing is worth treating a human the way Shelley Duvall was treated. Stan sucks 🤷♀️
There was so many good things in The Shining but the acting was not imo. The worse was not Wendy but Jack, the character was over the top with no subtlety and transformation
Um excuse me Jack Torrance gave one of the best performances from anyone I’ve ever seen in The Shining
I completely agree with what you’re saying here! I’ve always had issues with Stanley Kubrick’s films and The Shining. As a director and someone with a theatre degree, actually trying to get “natural” emotions like that isn’t directing or acting. If you’re genuinely having a reaction like this, that’s not acting you have to trust that the actors can do their job and you guide them to do that well. Also method acting isn’t acting. Again, just my opinion but I have feelings about this movie and these methods. So glad to see someone else talk about these problems!
I felt terrible for Wendy. She came across as a naive housewife who loved her child and didn't know what to do in a domestic abuse situation. I feel like she developed as the movie progressed and found her bravery. That's my take. Really love The Shining, but to disrespect Mr. Stephen King!! 😳
I love this series so much. Personally I find this movie to be overhyped. The book was one of my favorite Stephen King books and I much preferred it to the movie.
i always wondered what Stephen King thought of Kubrick’s treatment of Shelly. i know he said he didn’t like her performance as Wendy but did he even take in account what was actually going on behind the scenes??
I love supporting you, but i dont watch a lot of horror movies so when i see anything about something I already know im so excited.
I just bought that book on your shelf, home before dark last week, hopefully it's good.
I enjoyed it a lot! Riley Sager isn’t for everyone but it’s like 2 books in one super entertaining
Obviously this an older video so I'm late, but I just found you. The Shining is one of my all time favorite movies. I was born in 1971 so I do love movies from "my" time. I've seen it countless times and for a long time I thought Shelly Duvall's performance was over the top, but over the years I realized it was actually perfect. She looked so helpless and weak and ridiculous but in the end she outsmarted Jack.
I knew about how poorly she was treated on the set and that is so wrong and makes me sad. It gives me even more admiration for her performance in that movie. I'm no Kubrick fan. I hate the rest of his movies that I've seen, but I do love The Shining.
Shelley Duvall was amazing in The Shining and to me her image in that mega classic will forever leave a huge imprint!!
Check out William Friedkin''s antics while filming the Exorcist 🤣
Fantastic video, and you're right - the title is really good!
apparently jack was known for blowing take upon take filming a bunch of movies, only 'getting it' after he'd done several takes.
so, kubrick's probably blaming shelley for something that jack was doing after the fact.
I watched the tv series as a child. It wasn’t until I became an adult that I finally watched the movie, and I didn’t like it.
I've actually really liked Duvall's work in the Shining, her work compliments Nicholson's and vise versa, it wouldn't be The Shining without either of them
Hey, Sarah would u ever review Last night in Soho? I wanted to watch it but theaters r closed in my area:
yes I watched it twice in 2 days! loved it a lot besides the ending, it’s a little weak. but I’ll be reviewing it in my November recap video!
@@PossessedbyHorror Lol same, I actually watched it hours ago by streaming, and yes the ending is kinda weak but I loved it
The status of Kubrick as a director should not preclude criticism of his frankly piss poor behaviour.
Okay I don't understand cancel culture but I don't think you can cancel someone who's been dead since 1999
So, the shining has been my favourite horror movie for quite a while. I saw it first when I was a kid and many times since, and I also agree that Stanley Kubricks directing “techniques” were horrible, and his treatments of people were disgusting. But, it shocks me completely that people say Shelley Duvalls acting was bad, because to me it was so amazing, and at the same level as jack Nicholson in the movie. I actually was always astonished how amazing and believable her acting was. It was truly terrifying to see and really took you into the movie.