I'm Free From The First Descendant's Shackles | VikingNilsen Reacts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2025
- Legendary Drops also have a video of The First Descendant, where he goes through his experiences with the game. We have a lot to talk about...
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I took a break shortly after molten fortress was the hardest boss. I recently returned and was happy to see they had a "hand out" event going. They improved so much with qol, grinding, added a pity system ect. It's been really enjoyable. All those upgrades happened within a few months. They're on the right track to be successful. Story is meh, maps don't feel "alive", there's no real end game ATM. All these things can be fixed given appropriate time. You're watching a game develop and probably pay for itself with the money they've made. All the good games we compare tfd with also started horribly and evolved into staple games.
YES! 🫵
That's not a good excuse. There's no reason this game should be making the exact same mistakes games its copying made a dozen years ago.
@@TheJohhnyE True, but all loot games do this. Even Bungie, which SHOULD know hwo to do this. So I have no idea how hard or easy it can be to add these stuff into the code, when they're making these games.
After all these years, developers should know.
@ because its not the same people, and tech companies are horribly stingy with their knowledg, or its specific developers with a large store of knowledge that dont have the time or will to teach anybody due to being underpaid. or without stable pay
All these "reviews" from months ago are so obsolete but watching them serves the purpose of reminding us how rough the game was back then and how much it has improved until now. Even though the devs are doing good job nowadays, with Nexon being the big boss you can never be sure. Still I keep playing this game, ride or die descendant! 😀
Hell yeah! Though they need more earnable skins, lower prices, more content, more variety, less resource grinding and an overhaul to the reward system.
But after 8 months, I still like it.
Problem is, a lot of us did not really want it to be a failure because it would've been a decent alternative to maybe switch between.
So this being a fail was more of a harm than a boon.
Yes! Though I still like TFD and I'm going to switch between playing both, Warframe is very far ahead with the lead so far.
I love the "JOHNNY" screaming parts xD Very fun to watch
EDIT
Also just by logging into Warframe you get rewarded by getting some resources, blueprints, Platinum discounts that go up to 75% off for your next plat purchase within 48 hours, Booster (that double resource and credits that you pick up, increases resource drop chance, affinity which is xp essentially) that last 15h. And the daily log ins have milestones where you can get unique weapons (4 in total), some primed mods (4 in total that you get from daily log ins)
I'm here to entertain. Good to have you!
Welcome to my paragraph as a noncontent creator who doesnt care for appeasing anyone:
26:00 warframe does have some of those, but they have so much shit thats good in endgame that are easier to get that your doing it usually for completionist sake. this is why circuit(youll learn about this after a few qeusts, duviri specifically), is so good, and theyre looking into lowering crafting timers either after or with echos of 1999, and evidence of this is with the release of koumei who is 24 hours instead of the standard 72 for frames(weopons are 24, only a few weopons have parts, but you never need to craft them unless its the akweopons lol(youll see if you ever go mr farming in the market lol)
35:00 the answer to how many crafting slots is yes. your limit is going to be how much gear you can hold and crafting timers, but buying slots, forma, resource/affinity boosters, and cosmetics literally hold up the warframe economy now that theyve started switching to pity systems(not the circuit but similar. circuits for older frames(before voruna?). nightwave is a fuckin G, as it kept me ftp for the last 3-4 years because it gives a garunteed warframe slot and 2 weopon slots every one. this is also how youll earn most of your orokin catalysts and reactors for free, as the battlepass gives you enough of its currency to buy one of each right of the bat. and of course there is no paid version of the battlepass as the missions require you to go back and play older or more niche parts of the game you havent done in a while.
50:00 there are some free colours right off the bat, even when choosing your starter theres 3 different colourations you can choose from on the bottom left. dunno when it was added cause i started in 2021 and it wasnt there then. there are also free colour pallettes that pop up every now and then. even ive only bought 2 so i would have more blues and purples(favorite colours). each is 75 plat tho, which i wish the would lower the paleete they give you a small bit of access to would be discounted to the price of the starting platinum gift.
I am very happy to hear that relics or whatever they were called in tfd have improved significantly, because my biggest turn off for the game was hearing my cousin complain about his ult gley farm when she first came out lol. hes into marvel rivals rn but im not sure if he ever finished the farm, and he comes from a farming perfect rolls in weopons and sheilds on borderlands background. of course i still cant play rn cuz im a nintendo gamer but hey, if i ever level up ill check it out again.
yep if you go to varzia you can get 2 palletes with some grinding, that your doing anyway for prime framea. also forgot to mention how warframe does something called resurgence where they rotate out their prime wwarframes, but will also often have events where you farm the ones you havent seen for a while.
@@NixikuroKurokuma player will also quiet commonly throw in relics with older frames in random endless missions and with a bit of work you can just farm and sell spare parts to buy thw part your missing
If I wanted to read a book, I would go to the library. I appreciate the comment and for taking the time to watch the video. Thank you, Legend 🍻
I've also started playing the game, and it's no where near as good as The First Descendant. And these frames... Damn.. I need to find Wisp. Hold on..
@ farming the rapeopopolist or the prime is how you farm wisp btw.
@ side note, I will be getting an xbox series x soon so i can play tfd and warframe at the the same time:) i dont think youll be able to but if you can reach 1999 in the next couple days youl be able to have fun with the new update on release.
The foundry can support infinite concurrent crafting. Without spending a cent of real money.
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did, did tdf not do that 😥
I had never touched Warframe and The First Descendant teached me the mechanics for both games. I grabbed platinum on TFD and moved to Warframe. I'm thankful for TFD though. I hope it gets more content and expansions in the future.
Hell yeah. Same thing. I understand a lot of Warframe's mechanics because of TFD. And I hope it gets more content.
But for me right now, Warframe is a far better product. But I'm not done with TFD, it just needs more. Of everything really. Lower priced store, more eaensble skins and an overhaul of the reward system would be great too.
I highly recommend the borderlands series it’s part of the reason I got so into games in general I played pre sequel for the first game lol btw new to your channel I’m surprised you haven’t got a bunch of subs yet keep up your awesome work bro
Hey thanks! Yeah, I really didn't concentrate too much into the TH-cam part of streaming until last year. Before that it was a little here and there. Thank you for the kind words. I've gotten a lot of new people in the last week. Great to see.
And pre-sequel as the first? Well glad you liked it just by going off of that xD It's definitely not the best.
53:05 Warframe released in 2013, Destiny 1 released in 2014.
I need you to explain to me how did Warframe release after Destiny 1.
What? I never said that 😅 Listen again.
@@VikingNilsen "Even before even before Warframe did well, Destiny did well. Loot games came after Destiny why the hell they didn't copy the best part of Destiny? I have no idea."
@@JVSkellington Yes exactly. Why didn't loot games copy from Destiny?
It's a no-brainer. Especially now. I wouldn't want them to copy Warframe in that state that was in at release xD
@@VikingNilsen how could destiny do well before wf when it literally didnt exist
@@Verienn I didn't mean at the time it was released. I mean in the time they both have been live. So 10 years plus.
If TFD copied Warframe's monetization 1:1 it'd be an acceptable game to play. The problem is that it's owned by Nexon, and as someone who played Vindictus and a few other Nexon games for years I guarantee that they will NEVER let go of a cash cow or a chance to squeeze more money out of their players. They don't care about game quality, they don't care about story, they don't care about their players - if the playerbase drops, they'll introduce even more ways to wring money out of the whales that are too invested in the game to stop playing or stop spending.
Nexon just doesn't understand how to operate under non-predatory business practices. They haven't changed in 20 years, and they won't change in the future.
Sadly.. You're correct. But hopefully it will change. Though the people that make the game are passionate about the game and the future. That helps! 👌
Good to know that TFD plans to implement trade system. I'm gonna download again after this happens
Hell yeah! DO IT!
And speaking about the colors
On wf the colors pallets cost 75 for a shit load of colors and are a 1 time buy for all characters and weapons that you have and will get later
not locked to each individual character or weapon , yes you now unlock that color for that specific weapon or character permanently
but still is very bad when they still lock it behind walls and knowing each color cost 20 caliber i think when a color pallet is only 75 for 90 colors that you can use anywhere with no restrictions is just baffling
The color system in WF is great! In TFD, not so much.
I think people are not angry at just the copying, it´s the wasted potential. Potential of a cool game and story doing the same things we already seen, for little to no reason.
even if people don´t mention that part, i´m 70% sure that´s what actually pisses people off.
genuinly Warframe´s story-telling has the same flaws as TFD, the fast gameplay and the lore is told over comms. It got better, but the start is still hard to follow.
"If i want a reskin of warframe with hot characters, i just grind for the Ember heirloom skin" pretty much.
But anyways; you do and have fun, don´t let people sour your game-time.
@@FabiTheSnake Oh I don't. And I know TFD got issues. They have a lot to fix, but I'm hopeful. And Warframe I can't say too much about. Haven't played it in 6 or so years
dunno if it was mentioned but the item u use to change symbol on weapons and warframes (wich is the same called forma) u can get them for free from relics as well like i have 70 forma built and i have blueprints for at least 50 more lol
That I didn't know! That will definitely help me when grinding starts. Thank you!
'Warframe players are a little blind'. Not all of us. A lot of us put many, many hours into TFD and really enjoyed it before realising it's a potentially great game but also a very flawed game as it is right now. I'm open to trying it again later, if\when the monetisation is changed, content is increased and the movement system gets an update. It's good to see you're dipping a toe into the warmer waters of Warframe, I hope you stick with it long enough to really experience it. Heck, maybe you'll jump ship entirely, I'd sub for that.
And it's been great having you along for the ride. I love Warframe and I will be playing this game for years. 2old!!! Let's go 🔥
31:11 you say that, i mean every game is built upon another game, although TFD is suffering from that
35:54 dunno if you mean crafting slots, but im pretty sure I can craft a lot of shit right now with no space limits, on limits are slots for weapons and frames (someone might correct me if I'm wrong)
Yeah Warframe has no limits, but TFD does.
"Warframe players are blind" For sure. I left Warframe for nearly 4 years because I was 'blind' and only came back because I saw found out that the update cycle lead into the type of content that I had been starved of since the OG raids got removed.
Yeah! Love to see it. I'm nowhere near trying raids, but how are they? Hard, long?
@VikingNilsen raids were removed awhile ago. Eidolon hunts aren't really worth it but they kinda count. Steel path is generally where it's at
@Lyvarious Oh Raids are gone? That sucks. I plan on doing Steel Path, but sucks that there isn't any real endgame though. That's what I miss about TFD too. Endgame.
So do hunts or don't? Do I get anything worthy?
@@VikingNilsen there's plenty of end game. no need to think that raids are the end game, for Warframe that isn't true
I started playing Warframe maybe for a month, switched to TFD for the last maybe 2 1/2 months, n now I’m back to Warframe.. maybe I’ll go back to TFD at some point
Yeah.. I still like TFD, but it's missing a lot. And now that have started to play Warframe, It's hard to play something else. I did the second dream yesterday, and I can't wait for more. I still have 10 more years of story.
TFD is good, but Warframe is better, I play both. And both can exist.
The games loop is simple and enjoyable (with the new stabilizers the RNG can still be a pain but not nearly as bad) but there are things that NEED to be improved. Drops for external components is BS and you'll never convince me otherwise, though I hear they are working on changing/updating that system. Would love to see role based squad endgame content, 'nightmare' dungeons or some such where you need defenders (tanks) and buffers (support) in order to complete them in decent times, though I also hear they aren't looking into squad stuff anytime soon or simply harder/more involved bosses that dont have floating orbs. As someone you likes playing as Luna and buffing my team, this saddens me....also Ajax NEEDS a taunt for colossus because their aggro makes zero sense. As for "microtransactions" folks this is Nexon, creators of Maple Story, they LITERALLY INVENTED MICRO TRANSACTIONS. What do you expect from those responsible for this 'trend'?
I love TFD. I think it's a really good game. It just needs more content and an overhaul to the reward system, lower prices and more earnable skins.
The point people were making was that it took Warframe 10 years for the game that actually become a solid game.We’re not saying that the first descendent is gonna take 10 years we’re just saying don’t act like your shit don’t stink. Honestly Warframe was hot GARBAGE when it came out and I gave it more than 20 to 30 hours. He’s not even trying in my opinion 20 to 30 hours and you stop,I can’t even take you serious😂
I played Warframe throughout it's life and it was not garbage on release. People were rewarded for giving each other back up. We had raids after a couple years. But even in the beginning going against a boss like lephantis was difficult before power creep, like a dungeon. Warframes also haven't stopped being made and half the mods and frames you see now were already there. Not including the movement system is better now but even back then it was unmatched.
If it needed 10 years to be good then the game would have died a looooooooong time ago. With the release of destiny especially.
@@spectrosinjkai6973 that’s your opinion
@@axpekt_ you sound salty.
@@Chikage773 You sound like you can’t handle someone having a different opinion lmao 🤣 Sad world
I am a fellow Warframe supporter and id love to see you give the whole game a shot... but imma be honest the second half of this video felt like a torture scene i feel bad for you man
Hahaha. I like discussions, so this video was perfect to watch.
And I have started playing it. Check my stream either here on TH-cam or wherever else you watch streams.
35:28 Crafting queue limit? What's that?)
There's no limit in Warframe? YES!
@@VikingNilsenno queue limit and another thing I think is just disgusting
Is TFD it costs more to rush a character in the research than straight up buy it from the store
While Warframe you pay 50 plat from anything above 12h and no matter if the research is 12/24/72h it's always stays 50 plat
@@Maximux-gi3sj Nice. Though you don't buy normal Descendants. You grind those. And Ultimates more people are buying than the normal ones, but the research on those are cheaper to rush than to buy.
You'll be surprised of how many actually grind the Descendants than buy them. Seems like that is higher than the grind number in WF.
But 50 for 12 and above is awesome. TFD don't have that. I still do it though 😅
@@VikingNilsen true no one or at least hope no one in their right mind buys the normal descendants from the shop
But charging the same or more caliber of a ultimate descendant to simply rush it is absurd a d greedy AF
Some folks like to remember warframe in some fond ways. The first 2 years warframe was pay to win. purchase everything in the game. levels were trash, warframes were glitchy. Servers crashed more than they didnt. it was a trash game. Several times they about folded up. Does this excuse the mistakes of TFD in monetization and the redundancy of the redundancy of the redundancy of the redundancy of RNG? No. Though warframe didnt start with a trade system either. When you have a hand full of items that you can grind, you dont remove that grind for a trade system. If you do your game collapses. WHy? cause the only thing keeping people playing is grinding the stuff out.
TFD doesnt have 80 different time gated factions 16 worlds, and 5 different open worlds and 3 game modes to grind (Duviri, Railjack, and Normal). Yes the story sucks but keep in mind the first 4 years of warframe the story sucked too. They have revamped the new player experience over and over and over. in just 6 months Nexon has reduced the amount of monetization. They consolidated many of the materials for energy activators and catalysts as well as many events giving these items away.
That being said, its got a Long way to go to become something i enjoy playing regularly. Ines is cool Void vessel is cool Void Erosion Purge is better, but, whats it for? Whats it leading to? Where can i really test these insane power crept builds? We getting a Raid or Open world? Maybe void cascade with endless hordes? It doesnt seem like we have made it to There yet. I will be glad when we get a glimpse of that.
I've played Warframe and it's one hell of a game. No loot game is beside it or above it. This is on top.
Though I still think that TFD still can exist. They just gotta find their way.
And yeah. There's no reason whatsoever to do the new activities in TFD. So Purge so we can do more damage against bosses, so we can kill them faster, to then again get the new skin faster? And we have tot do it a minimum of 75 times. Hell no. That's not a gameplay loop I enjoy.
lol high way robbery at its best Johnny needs to talk to the Devs
Fuck that guy right now. He makes mistakes, upon mistakes, upon mistakes. He's trying, but it's not good enough.
No players from First Descendant are improving Warframe's numbers bacause most of those are Warframe players who are just returning back after trying somthing new and finding out the new thing is the same as the old thing just doing things worse.
FD offers nothing that's never been done before. Which is why it can only be enticing to people who have never played Warframe, the Division or Destiny 2 - games FD takes all their systems from but somehow makes them worse in service of forcing monetization on the players.
In that regard Once Human, that premiered at simillar time as FD is doing way better, 3-4 times more players despite lower all time peak - while it feels simillar to the Division it has enough new things to be interesting.
Yeah, this is just factually wrong, and a disingenuous take.
There is nothing in the monetization that can boost your account. You can buy catalysts, but you still have to re-level your character to use them. You can buy exp rate boosters and gold boosters, but the game gives away so many for free that you don't need to. You can buy characters but they still need to be manually upgraded and leveled. You can't buy weapons. You can't buy modules.
So tell me, what exactly are they pushing players towards when it comes to the monetization?
Skins. But that's it really. And the grind is LONG. So I laugh when people say Warframe is grindy. The hell it's not. Warframe's grind is a cakewalk in comparison.
I like both games. Though Warframe for me is a better product and more fun as of now. TFD needs more content, lower prices, more earnable skins and an overhaul to their reward system.
Tfd is absolutely free 2 play and everything besides cosmetics can be farmed.
Yeah, but the resource grind can be too much. And there really isn't many skins to grind for or earnable. The store prices are steep too. There's a lot more to be done with TFD, but I think their on a good path. Apart from the money part. Season 2 is a step in the right direction, content wise.
I didn't think making builds was fun in TFD. Every weapon or ability does a billion things with sometimes confusing descriptions, and synergy between different weapons or descendants and weapons is extremely limited by every legendary weapon kind of doing its own thing as well as the extremely barebones damage elements.
I think it's "fun". I look up builds and use those. I'm not a build guide. But I like the game and the abilities are awesome. I really like how OP you can make most of the Descendants.
After started playing Warframe though... I'm starting to see what people mean 😅
Facts this is one of the things i hate about TFD the absolute copy paste boss and faction mechanics and actions
And now they are doing that to colossus the lvl 150 are just resskins of old versions tge defiler is just devourer but purple with bunny hops when rage
Yeah... I hate reskinned content. Some is okay, but this is the second time. It will probably happen in season 3 too.
Didn’t hear D2. Oof! But understandable with all the other titles (as watching)
D2 is below these two in my opinion. Maybe I'll chime in on that title on a later time. What a disappointment it has become.
The First Descendant developers are doing a good job but it always felt like they're under Nexon's boot.
I'm glad ppl like you aren't white knighting, you're talking about how you love the game but you don't shy away from talking about it's faults. Shows character good 👍 I HOPE you give Warframe a shot, i'd love to see what you think of it.
Didn't see this until now. Thank you for this. I'm definitely not like most streamers. I'm not a sheep and I'm not afraid to say my opinions.
Glad to have you onboard the Viking ship T(r)ickle 🍻
@@VikingNilsen lol tRickle makes me sound like i dripping lol
I had 211h in TFD, if i would have to point out problems with that game well (i will make a lot compare to warframe and i think you understand why after one of your videos)
Grind was awful compare to warframe i did so many missions because i wanted ultimate gley and i wasn't even able to get one part.
Story was also kinda boring nothing really interesting some characters were nice but most were annoying.
Gameplay quite nice not many issue yet if someone would tell me warframe missions are boring or repetable i would laugh because compare to tfd missions in warframe are way faster and sometimes mission end and you didn't even notice (i am talking about longer missions not shorter ones), repetable kinda but i feel like that having over 3.3k hours. But TFD have some good things like colossals or whatever they were called.
Systems, quite much warframe but worse in certine points.
Worst things with TFD will be spending money.
Designe, well i like both games designe warframe looks for me a bit better but this is subjective, tho TFD is basically selling itself mostly(like 90% maybe less but i doubt it) with character designe when, warframe is selling itself with ninja in space gameplay and yes designe but it is split a little bit more even.
I probably missed something but well
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I'm late to comment, and we talked about this on the stream. Thank you for watching and commenting. Legend 🍻
@VikingNilsen np good content should be supported
@@nyx3988 You're goddamn right 🍻
Magnum studios is not nexon 😂 mid watch commenting..
Who the hell is Magnum Studios? I don't even mention them 😅
@VikingNilsen magnum studios makes the first descendant. Nexon is the publisher but many people get the 2 confused
@moxheeuk2671 Aahh. Thank you. I didn't know 👌 (edit: then why are they saying Nexon Games are the developers?)
Well... Nexon controls things, so I would still say it's their responsibility
@moxheeuk2671 Then why does it say that Nexon Games made the game?
Oh god yeah nexon definitely rubbing off on them but if they have the power to be more then what they stand for in a better way then it's hopeful
I played First Descendant for a little bit, some weeks maybe, but I really had to uninstall. Ultimately for me, it's just a Korean MMO which suffers from all the problems that comes with that. Between Korean physics, Korean RNG and Korean math, it's just all too much. Warframe seems like a nice game, I can just go and play that, why would I play the Korean MMO knock-off? Does anyone really like that brand so much more, besides Koreans? It's really hard to enjoy as a non-Korean because you cant get the same rates as Koreans and the same gameplay as Koreans on account of being non-Korean. This is a recurring problem Korean products run into on the global market, which is primarily non-Koreans. Wow look at these horrible prices ! The devs did not expect the audience to know basic math on account of the assumptions that they will all be Korean. Surely they would just pay and be none the wiser. But is it the same pricing for Korean natives when installed on a Korean computer? The world may never know. You just can never be that sure with a Korean product.
Koreaaaaaaaan!!!!!
After trying Warframe, Warframe's grind is a breeze. So if you can handle the TFD grind, Warframe will be a more effective grind, but also WAY more fun, because you actually get what you want more often.
Its pretty good for free game
Yes 🫵
Elden ring is free too
@@Russian_engineer_bmstu that game is hard and I am not into games like that. I like to play main shooter games.
@@Russian_engineer_bmstu Free? It's not free, but It's a grest game indeed. I've been trying to get better at those kind of games, so I have some plans with those kind of games here too.
@@VikingNilsen I am preeeety sure it is free tho.
They have an official Torrent
Few videos back, I commented about how TFD feels like fever dream version of warframe from timeline where DE sold out. After seeing the monetization differences, you probably understand.
Everything TFD does is like an insult to warframe. Copying systems and making them worse just to milk cash from people is vile.
Few warframe veterans would join TFD long term. Why would you play garbled, more expensive parody of the game you like after all. Nexon has some heavy lifting to do to fix it all
Yeah, I'll probably make a video about my thoughts on that in the near future. The similarities are almost 1:1. Not always in a good way.
@ I really cannot stress enough that you should try warframe and give it a proper shot. You mentioned you played it a little before but the game is NOTHING like it used to be. (also prepare to call for JOHHNY a lot more lmao)
@@Verienn I see you haven't seen my live streams. Already started. Heart of Deimos next!
Aand Johnny? About to fire the guy
@VikingNilsen on nice, have fun with that. Only "backseat" advice I got is to do Duviri Paradox after New War. There are things in duviri that you would miss if you played it as soon as it unlocks