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- Wake9.com loves to review great wakesurf boats, but this was special. 5 model years in a row that outperformed the previous year. That is no small feat and we are proud to spend our time wakesurfing in our Supra.
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Anybody that has set up a wave can really appreciate this video. Nice job.
thank you.
Love the history, the boat, and the surfing. Can’t wait to see more. You are doing a fantastic job with these Supras.
thank you.
Howdy Wake9! what was your speed with the new SA setup?
Thank you for the great history lesson. And the surfing footage was sick! Got me all anxious for summer to roll around.
your welcome!
Great video! We are headed to Norris for the first time at the end of July and we can’t wait! Hope to see you on the water!
Another awesome video from Wake9! I am trying to add wake surfing to our family's lake activities and strongly considering a SA450. Went to a boat show recently, and the Supra really sells itself. Beautiful boat with a lot of standard features for the price. However, I was surprised by how much negativity I heard from other manufacturers on Supra. Tige' reps were telling me the Autowake system, being gyroscope-based, is awesome on smooth water, but instantly loses itself in minor chop and especially rough water. Also said there were issues with the motor and transmission. I think his quote was "Supra's spend more time in the shop than on the water." Malibu reps were saying with the Autowake adjusting ballast levels to maintain neutral position, the pumps are running constantly and pump impeller wear is a huge issue, and not covered by warranty. Nautique took high road with no negative selling. Sadly, no Centurions on hand to check out. Just wanted to hear if you have any thoughts, or anything to add since you have real world experience with these boats for several years. (My thought - sounds like sour grapes and these reps were trying to knock Supra off the mountain.) Considering the SA/SL 450, Malibu MXZ23, Nautique GS22, and Centurion Fi23.
Thanks for being such a great resource for Newbies trying to figure out all this stuff. Your channel is very helpful.
I think some of your comment got cut off. They are wrong about autowake. I use it all the time, the first year I didn't use it most of the time, but the last 2 years, I use it by default. Come out for a ride, happy to show you.
Thank you for amazing video. I am currently trying to decide from fully loaded 2018 Supra SE450 or a Moomba 2022 Makai and both are same price. Am I to assume Moomba is going to have better wave and should go that route due to newer tech? Thank you
Awesome video, Robert!
Sweet vid Robert! The redesigned SA would likely be the replacement for my Max years down the road. BTW still planning on Polar Bear in TN? Would love to make the drive up with our Max loaded with Wakemakers kit by then.
Yes, still planning it. Details coming soon.
The fact this guy rides at lake Oroville California... He's alright in my book
My friends and I love going to the Mizell Bluffs. I hope to see you surfing this summer.
I’m shocked that not one person has brought up on how far back they are surfing and not just a leisurely surf but an all out shred fest 20 plus feet back. Most manufacturers when surfing you are literally 2 feet away from the swim platform. Blows my mind. I need that in my life. I have a 18 Malibu and have never been able to surf that far back even when my bow is slammed with lead wake bags which we all know is dangerous in a Malibu due to not enough freeboard and easily swamped. I hope Malibu changes the overall design and addresses freeboard.
This will sound funny, borrow a su ck gate and put it on your malibu. Don't use thw surf gate, and only use position 2 the plow (light), and yiu wikl be amazwd gow far back at 220lbs yiu can surf. Full ballast and crew of 6 adults.
Sylvain Mino which suck gate should I use and are you talking about the wedge on position 2? Thank you for the advice btw.
Do you recall your smart and surf plate settings for goofy/regular? we take delivery of our 23SA this week.
Watch the video for the 2022 SL, the settings should be VERY similar. Surf tabs leave default, wake plate all the way up.
sensational, what kind of drone did you use for the video?
This spans several years, so more than one from oldest to newest: Autel X-start premium, Yuneec Typhoon-H, Mavic Air, and then Mavic 2 Pro. The Mavic 2 Pro is a huge leap above all the rest.
What speed were you suring at weighted? did you say around 600lbs of lead that you were running under the tower?
I don't remember our lead placement, probably near the rear. Check out our video on lead placement for more details on that. th-cam.com/video/AD1wEPrSWuw/w-d-xo.html
Anyone else notice the Malibus are suspiciously absent? they go through a nautique, tige, even a supreme(joke), but no malibus. One small mention, but my 13 bu with surf gate was able to transfer instantly and the wave was much better than non surf gate boats even within Malibu. My 13 was doing all these things without autowake. I have had supra bros ask, does it have autowake? No, doesn't need it. I have no need to list my boat at all. I fill all ballast to 100% and the surf gate transfers in 1.5 seconds. The wave is just ready and has been since 2013.
That being said, good work on the app. I do appreciate how it can be to dial in a wave.
I have tested the surf gate on bus and axis boats. They def did not work great the first couple years for several well known reasons. I do like the boat, and loved the older 23LSV hull, I think I have a video where we road behind a custom 23LSV that was amazing. However, we have seen a lot of quality issues from bu in recent years. They have been a part of our PB videos at times, but they usually don't want to participate.
Kudos to Supra for brining a contender to the wakesurf market, I owned one back in 2008 (22SSV) when they were not so great and had issues. However, as Ryan Berka mentioned Malibu innovated the surf system in 2013 with Surfgate and the Malibu 23/25LSV are still to date the top selling boats in the industry for a reason. No offense to Robert at wake9 but he said all this about Tige' prior to moving over to Supra. We can all figure out what drives the reviews from him. So educate yourself and be aware Supra was not his first boat review that he raved about.
@@Travis8126 Everything I said about the tige, I meant, at the time. And there were several things I said here, that I never said about Tige.
Travis D easier to setup, burns more fuel, and rated for capacity without ballast. Surf gate is sweet but it’s definitely not the only metric.
We’re weighing a 22MXZ and SA as our next upgrade and surf gate does work really well. But from what I’ve seen the new Supra interiors are way better, don’t have to add bags like the Bu, and reliability goes to Skier’s Choice among the guys at my boat club. Actually seen two Malibu buy-backs in the last couple years there.
And as a owner/driver that doesn’t get much water-time, Autowake is amazing for wakeboarding. Even with a novice driver pulling me, they just have to point the boat straight. No moving ballast or people towards wash or anything. Set roll to 0deg and it’s clean for me every time no matter what. 👍🏼
2013 lsv 1000lb plug and play bags. Add 300lbs up front when nobody is up there. Surfs great. Transfers no problem. Pushy, flat, whatever. Definitely a learning curve to using a wakeboarding boat properly.
Is the Supra wakesurf system the only system that allows the driver to control both the roll and the pitch of the boat?
Yes, but with a clinometer you can do it on any boat. Watch my "how to setup your wakesurf boat" series.
Did you mention what wake plate settings that you were using on that 2020 SA550?
Would love to see you do a comparison with centurion...
I would like to see the same. I really value your opinions across all these brands. As far as the "legend" goes, MC, SN and MBU were all focused on their wakeboard wake while Centurion was working towards a surf hull the whole time. I would like to see where that's landed us in 2020.
Any recommendations for my 2012 launch 242, wake has no push with 800lbs each side and stock front , how much more weight do I need? BTW, great job with all your vids!!
I don't have any personal experience with that boat, but you may find it helpful to watch our 2 episodes on how to setup your wakesurf boat.
I had that boat Scott. First, you need a "suck gate" such as swell or other brand. Put that about 1 foot from the rear of the boat on the opposite side of the surf wake. Next, get 1100 pound sacks for the rear lockers. Fill the surf side 100%, opposite side about 40% - 50%, and front 100%. We went 11.4 mph. Wake was good. The suck gate wake shaper made a huge difference. You can't do it without that.
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Blows my mind how far back you guys are riding behind that boat
Yes, when we take people on our boat, that haven't surfed a late model surf boat, especially a supra, their minds are blown.
You keep mentioning having to "list" the wake. What does that mean? Thanks in advance! Great videos by the way!
if you watch my videos on Wakesurf Setup, I describe pitch and roll. List = Roll.
If you could choose between a 2019 SA450 and the 2019 SL450 what would you choose ?
the SL, the SL was upgraded to next gen in 2018, then SE in 2019, and SA in 2020, that is my memory. And that gen that started in 2018 with the SL, was a HUGE leap forward for surf. So I would say SL for sure.
What board do you use. I am about same size looking for new boards
I don’t get why you would need lead, and why your so insistent on it? Those boats should come stock putting up a badass wake! Also not to be mean, but I would imagine the extra lbs of people in your boat would be plenty of extra weight right?
watch my video on where to put the lead, it explains why I feel that way, at least 500 lbs or so.
🤣🤣 I was thinking that more than enough 🤣🤣not to be mean of course.👍
I mean awesome breakdown
this is great thanks
just placed an order for a 21 SA. I have 300lbs of lead from my old boat that ill be throwing in. Where would you suggest placing this weight? should i add an extra 200lbs? when i add the lead will my pitch/roll settings change? thanks in advance!
Watch my more recent videos on Wakesurf Setup, I answer those questions.
I just traded in my 2019 SL for a 2021 SA. I ordered with extra 1100 lbs of PnP bags for the bow and the rear lockers. I had 800 lbs of lead on the SL and that wasn't good for gas consumption while cruising.
What lake was this done on? I heard you say you recently moved to TN, I am also from this area. Kinda looks like pickwick in some shots.
It was shot on Tellico Lake.
Just got my 21 SA. We have yet to surf behind it but looking through the settings what are you using for the “wake amplitude “ setting between the pitch/roll sensors. Does this just change the plate? Thanks in advance my dealer didn’t make any mention of this
you don't need to worry about that setting. Just fill up the ballast, watch my "where to put the lead" video, and set your pitch, roll and speed. The wave will be stellar.
I'm considering a 2021 Supra SA or SL. We only surf and want the best wave. I'm 6'3" 200lbs and want the biggest, longest wave. Which boat would you recommend. We live in Michigan so any reason to go with greater than the 400 engine?
I would say the SA over the SL based on your question, but both are great IMO. Altitude, not latitude would be the issue, if you are near sea level, and you don't plan on wakeboarding seriously, you should be fine.
Question- so very new to wake surf actually going to have my employees teach me this coming spring / summer I am from Deep creek lake got a sales manager position at a marina not super familiar to surfing now obvioulsy I have been learning and watching and reading all I can. I am a BIG guy as well and I see big dudes on videos but no one talks specifics for us fellas! I'm 6'2" 290lbs and I am trying to find a decent movable jacket and I'm curious about what the best board for a dude my size would be anyway I could get some info or help? thanks!!
So you will probably need a custom board. Check with Chaos Surf Company (chaossurfco.com) and tell them your weight, height, experience, boat wake size, etc. They always seem to get it right. They make my board, but also several of my kids boards. Let me know if you have any trouble.
What wakesurf board are you guys using for the larger guys from 250-300?
Try the Chaos XL or XXL boards, they work great. Phase 5 also has a good big board.
@wake9 what was your speed on this video?
Usually 11.4 - 11.6.
Hey I'm sure you don't get this question alot but I'm new to boating and I couldn't afford a 100k boat so I ended up with a new yamaha ar 210 jet boat and could use some tips on how to build a surfable wave I would greatly appreciate the tips!!!
I don’t think you could surf behind a jet boat
How does it compare to Pavati Wake Boats?
I haven't seen a pavati make a wave that clean, big before. Video or in person. A pavati is also going to the underdog, since displacement makes big/pushy waves, and aluminum is significantly lighter than fiberglass.
How does it compare to the makai?
The supras are cleaner and better than the moombas. But you can get very close with some work, like 90%. But you need more weight, the moombas are not as big and not as heavy, so they need that extra work. And moomba not quite as clean, but GREAT.
Does the auto wake function work the same on Moomba?
The interface is a bit different, and I think there are 2 versions of auto wake on moomba, one that is not as featured. The full featured AW from moomba should be the same.
wake9.com I think there is only one flavor of Autowake. Displays are different on some of the Moomba line but the functionality is all the same I believe. I don’t know of any AW features missing on my Max from say a Makai aside from they get the larger 7” dash.
@@wake9tv do you have plans to review a Makai? I'm curious how it compares to the SA and SE
really hope you do a video on how to park v drive, still suck at it
Jeremy Hays come in at a 45 angle. Use reverse to bring it in. Bump the throttle as needed
@@yotaismygame what would you do if you could not come in at a 45 degree angle because the peir is a U shape and boats can be on both sides
Jeremy Hays I’m not sure I understand the situation.
@@yotaismygame I normally drop at Whatcom lake. There are two docks the that go straight out with enough room for two boats each side, 4 per pier. The piers don't have enough room in between them to spin it around. Also the is a oil boom thing blocking it off so you always come in with the piers on the starboard side You also have to dodge a pole on the way in. So you have to go straight in for the three of the spots. Do you have any tricks for sucking the stern in? Or do I just angle the best I can and use a pole hook
how does the 2020 compare to the 2019 SE?
I thought it was just as good, easier to weight. It may not quite have been as long, but very close, almost unnoticeable as you can see in the video. I also thought the wave was firmer and had a bit better lip. Oh, and its much easier to get in the boat even with stock weight, the swim deck is lower, which is nice for a bit fat guy. ;-)
wake9.com Awesome! Meant to say how does it compare to the 19 SA
oh wow, HUGE step up. Better wave, better boat. When you go to sub floor ballast system like this, you will never want to go back.
@@wake9tv Does the lower swim deck affect the wave?
You really think these boats are better than the centurion ri
yes, I do. But some of that is preference of course. Try them both yourself, not just a demo, but go out for a couple of hours with someone that has each for the best experience.
It’s weird, but I rode a Ri245 and it has a lot of ballast, but wave is not that impressive. I’m not sure why. I spent time trying to dial in and never really succeeded in two sessions over a couple hours. The M220 was pretty bad ass in comparison. I really want to ride a new SL to see where Supra fits in, but my local dealers have none. I guess I’ll watch inventory and be in a wetsuit to see…
Surf gate is still better Malibu and antique have the best wave in the game