Thanks for watching. If you like the content, consider subscribing. I go deep into the science and practice of training. And...if you'd like to support my work, I've got a new book coming out soon called WIN THE INSIDE GAME. Check it out. Pre-order today and I'm giving away my 100 page e-book on coaching and training. It's my cheat sheet guide to performance: www.stevemagness.com/win-the-inside-game/ Thanks for watching. I put out new videos on the science of performance every week!
Steve, in your opinion were the gerschler parameters (oscillating between 60-90 percent heart rate, ending workout when hr failed to recover to 60 percent max hr within 90 seconds) an attempt to quantify the best way to accumulate as much race pace training as possible while keeping "effort" at a threshold level
If I could only watch two YT channels it would be this one and Evoke Endurance. I have the book "Training for the Uphill Athlete" but this channel is just as helpful for me as a 70 year old into trail running and long distance backpacking.
Very informative and consistent with most coaches and schedules I follow. Next, we need to bring the “rest” part of training to a science. How much does rest improve your training, how to modify rest as we age, how to rest before feeling the niggles, How many hours of rest by fitness level/age/periodization. How to know if you are running on tiered legs and recovered vs still recovering and prone to injury.
Thank you for all the content Steve, we learn a lot and adjust our practice. Two subjects of discussion/debate I usually have with friends, we are amateurs around 20-21min at 5km and we disagree on some things since we are low volume runners (less than 50km/week): - We should put quality almost every time even if it is low-end quality. - Our jogs should be active breathing all the time otherwise it's junk mileage. While I believe that a stimulus is a stimulus be it very low or not, the body adapt within a spectrum, and also our low volume does not allow to handle a high amount of intensity risking to not recover well and then not adape and get injured. Thank you in advance for your return.
Exercise physiology is very important but I am glad my first degree was in PE and included subjects like the History of Sport and PE, and the so called "Training Theory and Methodology" which is the study of the training methods used by successful athletes.
very beneficial. thanks a bunch. now I have the confidence to build my own training plan by following a few key principles you covered. great presentation
Honestly, your video helps me a lot. I'm one of those people who always wonder whether it wouldn't be better to do one or the other. Now that I know about the development of training, I know that large parts of the approach are definitely right. Greetings from Germany
Interesting how the history of training applications gave so much insight over physiology alone. Despite the leaps and bounds of scientific advancements in physiology in the past few decades. This has implications in other fields and industries, too. Must research the history of applications!
Thanks so much! Yep. And look I'm an exercise physiologists, I love the physiology! But the truth is we've been conducting a 100+ year experiment with millions of high level athletes and coaches. And we need to study it!
Another great and informative video, love gathering information from you for my own training and hopefully helping clients one day! I’m sure your channel will blow up! Keep it coming!
Really fantastic stuff. Honestly, the thing I come back to is the idea from cycling of “raising the curve”- work everything from explosive speed to endurance(in a balance that matches your strengths/weaknesses) and focus on what matters most as you get closer to your main race.
And if you train well, your resting heartrate will be 30 bpm in stead of 60, which will give some years extra, but to get such a big heart you have to train much as a teenager, so that you build a ribcage big enough to a big heart.
Interesting to hear tou use the term "swim intervals" with reference to Igloi. Jim Ryun's coach Bob Timmons was also a High School swim coach and a lot of Ryun's training had a lot of similarities to Igloi's. Twice daily interval workouts, use of sets to break up the workout, differing paces within the same session. Ryun's sessions such as 50x400 is basically the same as a swimmer doing 50x100 in the pool. Jack Daniels makes that point in a TH-cam video. Re Gerschler and his intervals. After a base building winter period where the athlete could train almost exclusively on 100 and 200 intervals in the spring and summer he emphasised very fast repetitions with long recoveries. His most famous British runner Gordon Pirie often ran 400s in 56 seconds, 800s under 1:58 with long, 4-5 minute, recoveries. In terms of basic approach he wan't all that different to Lydiard!
Thanks a lot for a very interesting historic view! I remember the seventies as orientering running teenager in Kjellmyra, Glåmdal, Norway as very close to the supermodern philosophy that is a mix of all , long/slow, intervals, tempo, competition, strenght, and it worked great. In the nineties I was a photographer at an intervju with Børge Stensbøl, toppidrettsjef ( the top leader of Norwegian elite sports). I remember especially one line: "The best in the world are training the most in the world". This was his mantra, but not absolutely true. Cross contry skier Thomas Alsgaard only did 550 hours a year. But this idea did have influence in Norwegian sports. And the volume thing was good for some and too much for others. In the 2010-2020 periode Martin Johnsrud Sundby was roughly best in the world, and he trained both hard and long (1100 hours a year ). Ca 2020 Kristine Stavås Skistad, who in 2023/2024 was the second best 2000 meter skier in the world lost her power due to overtraining. I dont know if it was volume or power that was too much, but she reduced and came back to top speed. Top performing atlethes may have been training so much or hard that they have been on the edge. Some got faster, and some got slowed down. I think its interesting that the Norwegian orienteringway in the seventies is very close to the modern theory where we mix a lot of different trainings , durations and intensities. I believe that a good mix also give better restitution, not stressing the same way the next day. The modern supermix is kind of an answer to the polarized ideas, but maybe its not an answer. I guess top atlethes have been mixing good for decades , so maybe the supermix is nothing new and has been there for along time. References about hours a year: www.youtube.com/@xcskiing_universe I also learned much from the Vuelta Espania total vinner: www.youtube.com/@ChrisHornerCycling Horner said he never did intervals, but a lot of the cycling was naturally at very different intensities, and those bikers really did many miles.
Steve, I am a very big fan of your work. Thank you very much for all the sharing knowledge you provide. I'm definitely going to subscribe and get your book. Also, thank you for making videos with out Marcus. He just talks too much. I hated listening to him on your other podcasts. This is better, lol! Keep up the good work
Good one. Thanks I went to U of Toronto. Bruce Kidd was our star Can. runner in the 60s and became a sport/health historian, and even the dean of Kin/Physiol. Interesting how the competitive history is now being recognized as something of an applied science. Bill Bowerman had an athlete, Brian Clarke, who coaches all ages, and wrote a book that I studied religiously a while back. Clarke, situated in Hawaii, no spring chicken, is very kind, physiologically, and developed a number of perceptive-scales for training.
Great content👍👍👍 Make a video about running form, in detail, what to pay attention to with examples. I know you've written texts about it, but if possible, a good video🙏😀😀
Thank you very much! I've been running since 2005, several coaches, several methodologies and always changing one variable at a time in my marathons training blocks. And as what you said there is a point when you found your own balance (Base, rest, weight lifting, sprints, LT, and Tempo all with cicles of periodization), paramount issue as you get older (I'm 51)
Been listening too your book, helping me see the balance of training and how to implement it… I think you a dr jason karp should have a conversation on TH-cam together, I think it would make for agreat conversation and possible debate … also you need to cover the myths about strength training in running
I can clearly remember Seb Coe being interviewed after an early season race. He commented that he was very pleased with his time as he had not done any speed work yet. Not sure if this was his usual approach or due to recovering from an injury.
This history revolves around the high-end athletes. There needs to be a translation from what works for Jakob or Chepngetich, to us mere mortals. Also, things change as you get older; e.g., Joe Friel.
Nice explanation of the history of training methods. IMHO, the most influential sport that has developed training methods was when Ironman Triathlons became a "thing". The sport involves more than one discipline requiring a broader base of muscular recruitment and has more clearly shown how training smart and correctly has allowed the average person to achieve phenomenal goals.
Triathlon is great. But not sure I'd agree on the influence of training thing. Much of triathlon was caught in the extremes for years. It's better now.
@@SteveMagness What would be interesting is if we could could define training not simply in aerobic/anaerobic terms. There's a need to expand our definition of athletic training beyond just aerobic measures (including extreme events with a sleep deprivation effect) to include anaerobic components as it applies to strength training. While HIIT training is well-studied, strength training lacks standardized recovery metrics comparable to impact on VO2 max or lactate measurements in endurance training. IMHO, The impact of strength training on recovery remains understudied, with muscle oxygen measurements (like the MOXY device) being the closest providing such information. Developing a universal "impact" measure would help endurance and sprint athletes better understand how strength training affects their overall training load and recovery needs. It would be nice if when we did a strength training session, we also had a reliable measurement that said the strength session would require x hrs. of recovery before attempting a run, swim, or bike (for example).
What’s your recommendation for 70.3 triathletes for running volume? Present running is 25-30 miles per week with 3-4 runs per week . Present race time 1:40 , goal is sub 1:35 . Bike training per week is 6-8 hours and swimming 1.5-2.5 hours .
Hi. New subscribers here. Very interesting stuff seeing how training was done in the past. I just follow my garmin watches daily suggestions which are based on my sleep. 😅 Will look into your book. The extra book sounds great as well. How long is the offer out there for? Cheers Lee
Howdy mr magness, I was wondering what your takes on managing training for different builds looks like. After about 5 years of running I think I have stumbled on the fact that I am best oriented for the 800 specifically, but now that I’m out of HS I really want to train for distances like the marathon and half marathon. What’s your take on trying to orient a base for someone like an 800 runner, because it often feels like when I go through a base phase of about 2-3 months of just slow distance with strides and light tempos and I am still extremely distant from my potential in events but I am worried about doing faster workouts that will diminish aerobic ability later in the season. How do you think I should approach building a base and a good season for longer distances?
Thanks for the history lesson. The perspective is valuable. Do you have an opinion on the Garmin Forerunner training programs for beginners, and what helpful strength training looks like? I'm a beginning runner and have been running since the end of last year. For the past few months following Garmin coach Galloway 5K training, plus 1 weekly strength (dumbbells, kettle bells and body weight for upper body, wall sit for a bum knee), and swim session. I'm 63, and have been seeing steady progress. Thanks again. PS I love that running and the other training is transforming my body from something I was trapped in, to something that belongs to me.
This is really interesting to see the history of training methods. Does modern training favor linear vs non-linear periodization? Most genetic online running plans seem to include both speed intervals, threshold, and long runs that just continue to increase in volume throughout the plan. Though I’ve seen some recommendations of base training, support training, then specific race training in each phase.
Hello steve, amazing video as always.. What if someone hates running and just loves jumping rope, what do you think is the best way to build good aerobic base and improve other endurance parameters ?? In terms of work rest ratios and interval lengths... Thanks in advance
Hi I include include Zone 3 as well as obviously Zone 2 in the 80% easy portion of the 80/20 system of running. I know Zone 3 is frowned upon by some in the community, but I find without the extra stimulus my fitness plateued with pure Zone 2. I look forward to responses from the community. Cheers
This might be a silly question but it’s has been bothering me for sometime. In that diagram at 8:35 mark from previous video, it shows ET increases VO2 adaptations greater than HIIT over time and this appears to be the same for capillaries and mitochondrial adaptations. So why do we need to do HIIT or more generally intervals? Thanks
How long do you recommend the athletes should stay at their “peak” weekly mileage before marathon taper? Should taper be 3 or 2 weeks and should we consider a 20 mile run as close to marathon as 3 weeks?
What about Maffetone? As an ex tri-geek, he, low HR training, was to the mid 80s to 90s as 80/20 is today. I still hear people use MAF interchangeably with Z2/LT1.
As runners should we concern ourselves with body fat percentage in relationship to hormones? Mike at Renaissance Periodization said it’s possible for some people to eventually, over months, have testosterone levels return to normal while under 10% body fat. Do elite runners cut for performances? Should ultramarathon runners maintain a higher weight so when they lose several pounds of fat during a race it wont throw their hormones out of whack from going too low body fat?
it took me like 4 minutes to understand that you're actually talking about the history of training, not the history of one's training (like how a person with background in football should adjust their training compared to a person with backround in, idk, skiing)
Do you think much of the variation in training philosophies in the current elite mid distance runners simply reflects individualisation, vs different views of what generally works best?
Steve Magness is like Dr. Mike Israetel from RP. Both sport science nerds with huge experience and knowledge. I think you just need to throw a few sus jokes here and there, make some kind of app for running and plug it kinda seemlessly into videos and boom!
Who are the 'we ' that are getting it wrong .Running standards are improving all the time compared to say 40 years ago . Also you need to remember those influencers you keep slagging don't race so it doesn't really matter if their naïve protocol isn't optimal for racing , as long as it improves blood markers .
What about Maffetone? As an ex tri-geek, he, low HR training, was to the mid 80s to 90s as 80/20 is today. I still hear people use MAF interchangeably with Z2/LT1.
Thanks for watching. If you like the content, consider subscribing. I go deep into the science and practice of training.
And...if you'd like to support my work, I've got a new book coming out soon called WIN THE INSIDE GAME. Check it out. Pre-order today and I'm giving away my 100 page e-book on coaching and training. It's my cheat sheet guide to performance: www.stevemagness.com/win-the-inside-game/
Thanks for watching. I put out new videos on the science of performance every week!
Steve, in your opinion were the gerschler parameters (oscillating between 60-90 percent heart rate, ending workout when hr failed to recover to 60 percent max hr within 90 seconds) an attempt to quantify the best way to accumulate as much race pace training as possible while keeping "effort" at a threshold level
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Steve that was freaking amazing. Thanks for the video.
My pleasure!! Glad you found it helpful!
It was . . . :o)
now I understand why the Seiler study came about. Thank you for the context. Now it makes a ton of sense
No problem!
If I could only watch two YT channels it would be this one and Evoke Endurance. I have the book "Training for the Uphill Athlete" but this channel is just as helpful for me as a 70 year old into trail running and long distance backpacking.
That's awesome! Thanks for the support!
Thanks!
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
Very informative and consistent with most coaches and schedules I follow. Next, we need to bring the “rest” part of training to a science. How much does rest improve your training, how to modify rest as we age, how to rest before feeling the niggles, How many hours of rest by fitness level/age/periodization. How to know if you are running on tiered legs and recovered vs still recovering and prone to injury.
Thank you for all the content Steve, we learn a lot and adjust our practice.
Two subjects of discussion/debate I usually have with friends, we are amateurs around 20-21min at 5km and we disagree on some things since we are low volume runners (less than 50km/week):
- We should put quality almost every time even if it is low-end quality.
- Our jogs should be active breathing all the time otherwise it's junk mileage.
While I believe that a stimulus is a stimulus be it very low or not, the body adapt within a spectrum, and also our low volume does not allow to handle a high amount of intensity risking to not recover well and then not adape and get injured.
Thank you in advance for your return.
Exercise physiology is very important but I am glad my first degree was in PE and included subjects like the History of Sport and PE, and the so called "Training Theory and Methodology" which is the study of the training methods used by successful athletes.
Bloody brilliant, i think i just learnt more about training from this 1 video than i have since i started running 5 years ago. Thankyou steve! 😊
Glad to help
very beneficial. thanks a bunch. now I have the confidence to build my own training plan by following a few key principles you covered. great presentation
Honestly, your video helps me a lot. I'm one of those people who always wonder whether it wouldn't be better to do one or the other. Now that I know about the development of training, I know that large parts of the approach are definitely right.
Greetings from Germany
Great content , enjoyed the video . Underrated channel
Glad you liked it! It takes time to build a channel, so your support means a lot.
@@SteveMagness
My pleasure ! Just pre-ordered your book very excited !
Interesting how the history of training applications gave so much insight over physiology alone. Despite the leaps and bounds of scientific advancements in physiology in the past few decades. This has implications in other fields and industries, too. Must research the history of applications!
I pre-ordered your book!
Thanks so much! Yep. And look I'm an exercise physiologists, I love the physiology! But the truth is we've been conducting a 100+ year experiment with millions of high level athletes and coaches. And we need to study it!
Thank you
I would much rather have a knowledge based presentation with a passion, than a high production value.
That's exactly the goal!
That was really good! You are moving to the top of my TH-cam subscriptions.
Thanks so much! I hope you enjoy the future content.
Phenomenal and insightful video!
I didn’t know what to expect from the title alone, but that was great
Amazing. So glad you enjoyed it.
That was the best video I’ve seen in this field. Thank you!
Wow, thanks!
Another great and informative video, love gathering information from you for my own training and hopefully helping clients one day! I’m sure your channel will blow up! Keep it coming!
Happy to help!
These are great Steve. Glad the microphone clipping issue has been addressed, too.
Thanks for the feedback! It's a constant work in progress.
Really fantastic stuff. Honestly, the thing I come back to is the idea from cycling of “raising the curve”- work everything from explosive speed to endurance(in a balance that matches your strengths/weaknesses) and focus on what matters most as you get closer to your main race.
It's a great way to think about it!
Doctors once hypothesized that we have a limited number of heart beats in our lifetimes. For a time, this discouraged strenuous activity.
And if you train well, your resting heartrate will be 30 bpm in stead of 60, which will give some years extra, but to get such a big heart you have to train much as a teenager, so that you build a ribcage big enough to a big heart.
Interesting to hear tou use the term "swim intervals" with reference to Igloi. Jim Ryun's coach Bob Timmons was also a High School swim coach and a lot of Ryun's training had a lot of similarities to Igloi's. Twice daily interval workouts, use of sets to break up the workout, differing paces within the same session. Ryun's sessions such as 50x400 is basically the same as a swimmer doing 50x100 in the pool. Jack Daniels makes that point in a TH-cam video.
Re Gerschler and his intervals. After a base building winter period where the athlete could train almost exclusively on 100 and 200 intervals in the spring and summer he emphasised very fast repetitions with long recoveries. His most famous British runner Gordon Pirie often ran 400s in 56 seconds, 800s under 1:58 with long, 4-5 minute, recoveries. In terms of basic approach he wan't all that different to Lydiard!
keep up the good work
Thanks a lot for a very interesting historic view! I remember the seventies as orientering running teenager in Kjellmyra, Glåmdal, Norway as very close to the supermodern philosophy that is a mix of all , long/slow, intervals, tempo, competition, strenght, and it worked great.
In the nineties I was a photographer at an intervju with Børge Stensbøl, toppidrettsjef ( the top leader of Norwegian elite sports). I remember especially one line: "The best in the world are training the most in the world". This was his mantra, but not absolutely true. Cross contry skier Thomas Alsgaard only did 550 hours a year. But this idea did have influence in Norwegian sports. And the volume thing was good for some and too much for others. In the 2010-2020 periode Martin Johnsrud Sundby was roughly best in the world, and he trained both hard and long (1100 hours a year ). Ca 2020 Kristine Stavås Skistad, who in 2023/2024 was the second best 2000 meter skier in the world lost her power due to overtraining. I dont know if it was volume or power that was too much, but she reduced and came back to top speed. Top performing atlethes may have been training so much or hard that they have been on the edge. Some got faster, and some got slowed down.
I think its interesting that the Norwegian orienteringway in the seventies is very close to the modern theory where we mix a lot of different trainings , durations and intensities. I believe that a good mix also give better restitution, not stressing the same way the next day. The modern supermix is kind of an answer to the polarized ideas, but maybe its not an answer. I guess top atlethes have been mixing good for decades , so maybe the supermix is nothing new and has been there for along time.
References about hours a year: www.youtube.com/@xcskiing_universe
I also learned much from the Vuelta Espania total vinner: www.youtube.com/@ChrisHornerCycling
Horner said he never did intervals, but a lot of the cycling was naturally at very different intensities, and those bikers really did many miles.
Steve, I am a very big fan of your work. Thank you very much for all the sharing knowledge you provide. I'm definitely going to subscribe and get your book.
Also, thank you for making videos with out Marcus. He just talks too much. I hated listening to him on your other podcasts. This is better, lol! Keep up the good work
Good one. Thanks
I went to U of Toronto. Bruce Kidd was our star Can. runner in the 60s and became a sport/health historian, and even the dean of Kin/Physiol.
Interesting how the competitive history is now being recognized as something of an applied science.
Bill Bowerman had an athlete, Brian Clarke, who coaches all ages, and wrote a book that I studied religiously a while back. Clarke, situated in Hawaii, no spring chicken, is very kind, physiologically, and developed a number of perceptive-scales for training.
That's great! Bruce Kidd is a legend. And I agree, we are finally getting a handle on the application of those historic insights.
Legend! Thanks for putting the work in
Any time
Very insightful!
Fantastic video, so interesting.
Many thanks!
Great content👍👍👍
Make a video about running form, in detail, what to pay attention to with examples. I know you've written texts about it, but if possible, a good video🙏😀😀
Thanks, that's a great idea!
Another excellent video and thoroughly enjoyable.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Great work- Thanks!
Encyclopedic! Awesome.
Glad you liked it!
Thank you very much! I've been running since 2005, several coaches, several methodologies and always changing one variable at a time in my marathons training blocks. And as what you said there is a point when you found your own balance (Base, rest, weight lifting, sprints, LT, and Tempo all with cicles of periodization), paramount issue as you get older (I'm 51)
It’s all about finding that sweet spot!
Exactly 👌🏻
Been listening too your book, helping me see the balance of training and how to implement it… I think you a dr jason karp should have a conversation on TH-cam together, I think it would make for agreat conversation and possible debate … also you need to cover the myths about strength training in running
I can clearly remember Seb Coe being interviewed after an early season race. He commented that he was very pleased with his time as he had not done any speed work yet. Not sure if this was his usual approach or due to recovering from an injury.
Nice work! 🤩
Thank you! Cheers!
I LOVED this video! Thank you!
Thanks so much!! Glad you enjoyed it.
@SteveMagness I pre-ordered your new book on Audible and filled out the Google for for the bonus content.
Thanks, this is great!
Glad you like it!
Excellent video and information.
Glad it was helpful!
well, Quenton Cassidy did 3 sets of 20 x 400m, and that got him to win, so... that's what I do. :).
Equipment (shoes) evolved which impacted what training could be sustained.
Can you do one of these with fueling? Amazing video!!
This history revolves around the high-end athletes. There needs to be a translation from what works for Jakob or Chepngetich, to us mere mortals. Also, things change as you get older; e.g., Joe Friel.
Amazing!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice explanation of the history of training methods. IMHO, the most influential sport that has developed training methods was when Ironman Triathlons became a "thing". The sport involves more than one discipline requiring a broader base of muscular recruitment and has more clearly shown how training smart and correctly has allowed the average person to achieve phenomenal goals.
Triathlon is great. But not sure I'd agree on the influence of training thing. Much of triathlon was caught in the extremes for years. It's better now.
@@SteveMagness What would be interesting is if we could could define training not simply in aerobic/anaerobic terms. There's a need to expand our definition of athletic training beyond just aerobic measures (including extreme events with a sleep deprivation effect) to include anaerobic components as it applies to strength training. While HIIT training is well-studied, strength training lacks standardized recovery metrics comparable to impact on VO2 max or lactate measurements in endurance training.
IMHO, The impact of strength training on recovery remains understudied, with muscle oxygen measurements (like the MOXY device) being the closest providing such information. Developing a universal "impact" measure would help endurance and sprint athletes better understand how strength training affects their overall training load and recovery needs.
It would be nice if when we did a strength training session, we also had a reliable measurement that said the strength session would require x hrs. of recovery before attempting a run, swim, or bike (for example).
What’s your recommendation for 70.3 triathletes for running volume? Present running is 25-30 miles per week with 3-4 runs per week . Present race time 1:40 , goal is sub 1:35 . Bike training per week is 6-8 hours and swimming 1.5-2.5 hours .
Hi. New subscribers here. Very interesting stuff seeing how training was done in the past. I just follow my garmin watches daily suggestions which are based on my sleep. 😅
Will look into your book. The extra book sounds great as well. How long is the offer out there for? Cheers Lee
Howdy mr magness, I was wondering what your takes on managing training for different builds looks like. After about 5 years of running I think I have stumbled on the fact that I am best oriented for the 800 specifically, but now that I’m out of HS I really want to train for distances like the marathon and half marathon. What’s your take on trying to orient a base for someone like an 800 runner, because it often feels like when I go through a base phase of about 2-3 months of just slow distance with strides and light tempos and I am still extremely distant from my potential in events but I am worried about doing faster workouts that will diminish aerobic ability later in the season. How do you think I should approach building a base and a good season for longer distances?
Thanks for the history lesson. The perspective is valuable.
Do you have an opinion on the Garmin Forerunner training programs for beginners, and what helpful strength training looks like?
I'm a beginning runner and have been running since the end of last year. For the past few months following Garmin coach Galloway 5K training, plus 1 weekly strength (dumbbells, kettle bells and body weight for upper body, wall sit for a bum knee), and swim session. I'm 63, and have been seeing steady progress.
Thanks again.
PS I love that running and the other training is transforming my body from something I was trapped in, to something that belongs to me.
Thanks! I'll take a look at them. I haven't checked them out yet.
This is really interesting to see the history of training methods. Does modern training favor linear vs non-linear periodization? Most genetic online running plans seem to include both speed intervals, threshold, and long runs that just continue to increase in volume throughout the plan. Though I’ve seen some recommendations of base training, support training, then specific race training in each phase.
Hello steve, amazing video as always..
What if someone hates running and just loves jumping rope, what do you think is the best way to build good aerobic base and improve other endurance parameters ?? In terms of work rest ratios and interval lengths...
Thanks in advance
Hi
I include include Zone 3 as well as obviously Zone 2 in the 80% easy portion of the 80/20 system of running.
I know Zone 3 is frowned upon by some in the community, but I find without the extra stimulus my fitness plateued with pure Zone 2.
I look forward to responses from the community.
Cheers
This might be a silly question but it’s has been bothering me for sometime. In that diagram at 8:35 mark from previous video, it shows ET increases VO2 adaptations greater than HIIT over time and this appears to be the same for capillaries and mitochondrial adaptations. So why do we need to do HIIT or more generally intervals?
Thanks
How long do you recommend the athletes should stay at their “peak” weekly mileage before marathon taper? Should taper be 3 or 2 weeks and should we consider a 20 mile run as close to marathon as 3 weeks?
What about Maffetone? As an ex tri-geek, he, low HR training, was to the mid 80s to 90s as 80/20 is today. I still hear people use MAF interchangeably with Z2/LT1.
The bottom line is progress in performance is only achieved by getting you out of your comfort zone...
As runners should we concern ourselves with body fat percentage in relationship to hormones? Mike at Renaissance Periodization said it’s possible for some people to eventually, over months, have testosterone levels return to normal while under 10% body fat. Do elite runners cut for performances? Should ultramarathon runners maintain a higher weight so when they lose several pounds of fat during a race it wont throw their hormones out of whack from going too low body fat?
it took me like 4 minutes to understand that you're actually talking about the history of training, not the history of one's training (like how a person with background in football should adjust their training compared to a person with backround in, idk, skiing)
If today is about refining the details, what is your prediction for what the next discernible evolution in training will be about in the 2030/40s+?
All roads lead to Rome. It doesn't really matter what you do as long as you can recover from it and it keeps things interesting.
Do you think much of the variation in training philosophies in the current elite mid distance runners simply reflects individualisation, vs different views of what generally works best?
Steve Magness is like Dr. Mike Israetel from RP. Both sport science nerds with huge experience and knowledge. I think you just need to throw a few sus jokes here and there, make some kind of app for running and plug it kinda seemlessly into videos and boom!
Ha! I love it. I'll take that any day.
Fortunately, Steve doesn't swear like him, like, all the time...
Let's talk about Kelvin Kiptum training in today's world.
Who are the 'we ' that are getting it wrong .Running standards are improving all the time compared to say 40 years ago .
Also you need to remember those influencers you keep slagging don't race so it doesn't really matter if their naïve protocol isn't optimal for racing , as long as it improves blood markers .
But do you even lift?🙂
the “I don’t train” mentality in others is what pisses me off the most in running.
What about Maffetone? As an ex tri-geek, he, low HR training, was to the mid 80s to 90s as 80/20 is today. I still hear people use MAF interchangeably with Z2/LT1.