There are 4 major responses to trauma: Fight, Flight, Fawn, and Freeze. Michael fights (even with himself), Michelle runs away to New York, Natalie tries to make everything/everyone okay, and Carmen freezes up and disassociates. The family is a personification of trauma, both cause and effect.
Sugar can't help it. she grew up with that mother - volatile and violent - scary woman - and who scapegoated Natalia. Natalie gets the worst of it. her way of coping is to be a caretaker - making sure everyone is okay - it's compulsive and it comes from a deeply unconscious place. she MUST ask it. it's her JOB in the family. she does it with everyone. meanwhile: natalie herself is not okay. Pete is the only person who actually takes care of her, not the other way around. Carmy and Natalie completely dissociate at the end - Mike freaks out. everyone has their role in this family system.
Mikey did not want to fight with just anyone. He specifically dislikes Uncle Lee (even though he borrowed money from him). Just think about it. If there's an asshole family friend (one of your father's best friends) who starts hanging around your mom and is trying to replace your father as the head of the household, wouldn't you start disliking him bit by bit? Lee wasn't wrong about Mikey and his constant money schemes (Carmy even made a comment about it early in the episode) but picking that time and place to constantly "poke the bear" was clearly stupid. Also, Uncle Lee, Uncle Cicero and the Berzatto dad were best friends so they were probably tough, big shots when they were younger (Cicero's personality and connections kind of shows that off) so Lee picking a fight with the physically bigger Mikey probably didn't run through his mind since old, tough, gangster-like guys usually tend to forget that they're no longer young and invincible because they're used to being the top dog for so long. Mental issues or trauma clearly runs in the family (with Donna, Mikey, Carmy and even Sugar) and that's something to be aware of as the show goes forward.
literally how dysfunctional my family is and arguments are all over the place with one another, going at throats and cussing out each other cause of what happened to the family.
The verbalization and reaction between Mike & Lee and Sugar & Donna are kinda the parallel. Lee should not have taken shots at Mike and Sugar should not have kept asking Donna if she was okay *knowing who they both are* (poking the bears). However, the reactions of Mike and Donna were not right-more aggressive than what was needed. They did a great job of showing the relationships by pairing people we sort of knew with new characters. (49:46) agree with this final point as well. This episode was insane with the background conversations, the timer going off every 5 minutes, and the tense relationships. They did well with building the most uncomfortable atmosphere lol.
This episode was triggering, but it was so well done !!! The entire episode, i was like 😮😮😮😮👀👀 what am I watching right now?? But the acting the shots the entire episode was amazing !
Steven is Michelle's husband. I think Michelle is Cicero's daughter. I have no idea why y'all think Tiff ends up with Steven. The casting director went *berserk* on this episode!
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There are 4 major responses to trauma: Fight, Flight, Fawn, and Freeze. Michael fights (even with himself), Michelle runs away to New York, Natalie tries to make everything/everyone okay, and Carmen freezes up and disassociates. The family is a personification of trauma, both cause and effect.
Sugar can't help it. she grew up with that mother - volatile and violent - scary woman - and who scapegoated Natalia. Natalie gets the worst of it. her way of coping is to be a caretaker - making sure everyone is okay - it's compulsive and it comes from a deeply unconscious place. she MUST ask it. it's her JOB in the family. she does it with everyone. meanwhile: natalie herself is not okay. Pete is the only person who actually takes care of her, not the other way around. Carmy and Natalie completely dissociate at the end - Mike freaks out. everyone has their role in this family system.
and I've really loved watching your reactions - and love the discussions!
All of them missed "256 weeks until opening" kinda impressive
Steven clarifying that no one is PHYSICALLY sick is always hilarious to me.
Mikey did not want to fight with just anyone. He specifically dislikes Uncle Lee (even though he borrowed money from him). Just think about it. If there's an asshole family friend (one of your father's best friends) who starts hanging around your mom and is trying to replace your father as the head of the household, wouldn't you start disliking him bit by bit? Lee wasn't wrong about Mikey and his constant money schemes (Carmy even made a comment about it early in the episode) but picking that time and place to constantly "poke the bear" was clearly stupid.
Also, Uncle Lee, Uncle Cicero and the Berzatto dad were best friends so they were probably tough, big shots when they were younger (Cicero's personality and connections kind of shows that off) so Lee picking a fight with the physically bigger Mikey probably didn't run through his mind since old, tough, gangster-like guys usually tend to forget that they're no longer young and invincible because they're used to being the top dog for so long.
Mental issues or trauma clearly runs in the family (with Donna, Mikey, Carmy and even Sugar) and that's something to be aware of as the show goes forward.
You guys seem so confused this episode lol
Ya know I thought a Caribbean Christmas was chaotic….. then I saw this episode!😂
Tiff, Richie's ex is currently dating a guy named Frank.😊
Did I miss something. Why do we think that Steven ends up with Tiffany? I believe you are thinking someone else’s name
Saaaame
they def misheard
Yeah. It’s cleared up watching the following episode when someone makes a call to Richie.
It ain't that hard to take notes while watching. All of you REALLY need it.
agreed
literally how dysfunctional my family is and arguments are all over the place with one another, going at throats and cussing out each other cause of what happened to the family.
The verbalization and reaction between Mike & Lee and Sugar & Donna are kinda the parallel. Lee should not have taken shots at Mike and Sugar should not have kept asking Donna if she was okay *knowing who they both are* (poking the bears). However, the reactions of Mike and Donna were not right-more aggressive than what was needed. They did a great job of showing the relationships by pairing people we sort of knew with new characters.
(49:46) agree with this final point as well. This episode was insane with the background conversations, the timer going off every 5 minutes, and the tense relationships. They did well with building the most uncomfortable atmosphere lol.
This episode has a lot going on, new characters and all the drama, loved the reaction. Next episode is one of my favorites, can't wait to see it! 🍴❤
Just a heads up Steven isn’t the remarry he’s married to Carmys aunt I think
I think Michelle is Carmy's cousin
Why does the watermark say "The Boys"? Lol
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Richie's ex does not end up with Steven, she is with someone named Frank.
This episode was triggering, but it was so well done !!! The entire episode, i was like 😮😮😮😮👀👀 what am I watching right now?? But the acting the shots the entire episode was amazing !
Steven is Michelle's husband. I think Michelle is Cicero's daughter. I have no idea why y'all think Tiff ends up with Steven.
The casting director went *berserk* on this episode!
Amazing episode great acting - why dont more shows care this much about story and acting?
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It was Jimmy's wife who was mistakenly ringing Richie on Michael's old cellphone number after he passed.
Is she saying "meow we are your broccoli channel"?
"Nyaa! (meow) we are the rock lee channel" she's saying their channel name lmao
@savannarandolph thank you for clearing that up for me..they never responded.
lol yall put the boys watermark on the bear videos lol
Lol. Sorry
Cant believe yall havent seen Breaking bad or BCS 😭😭😭
Best episode of the bear👌
Bears can be boys I guess
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