All Dialogues Shadowheart Tries to Kill You Baldur's Gate 3

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  • @ObsidianKnight90
    @ObsidianKnight90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    Eh... she can't kill you, the devs gave her terrible stats.

    • @VDA19
      @VDA19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      There's a theory going around that she is really a cleric of Selune who was abducted and brainwashed. A Life Cleric would get Heavy Armor so her stats ( no Dex ) would make sense then

    • @ObsidianKnight90
      @ObsidianKnight90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@VDA19 I like that theory, and it would help explain her stat spread. Maybe you get an option to undo her brainwashing and she switches subclass?

    • @VDA19
      @VDA19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@ObsidianKnight90 Yeah, I think that's the plan.
      Shadowheart seems like a bad person who is in reality good and Wyll seems like a good person who is in reality evil ( Wyll's heroic antics are just to feed his patron )

    • @blingwraith6951
      @blingwraith6951 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@VDA19 wow that's interesting

    • @TheGodTell
      @TheGodTell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@VDA19 how is Wyll in reality turns out to be evil? in Shadowhearts' case, yes I can see that she just put that aloof and bitchy facade but when you actually did something good, she always approved

  • @TheWarmupLap
    @TheWarmupLap 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The amount of dialogue and braching paths in this game is amazing.

  • @EasytheGoon
    @EasytheGoon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    knowing this i think she is going to have the most interesting orgin story...

    • @GeanAmiraku
      @GeanAmiraku 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Or she's just holding a mcguffin and larians need us to have it with her in the party or without

    • @fakebunny1272
      @fakebunny1272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      really i wish origins character would not exist they always take away form a custom main

    • @dominika3762
      @dominika3762 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@fakebunny1272 you don;t have to chose it, so how can it take away if you're not using an option?

    • @Polomance862
      @Polomance862 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GeanAmiraku I'm pretty sure that macguffin is extremely important. As it ends up in our possession one way or another. Shadowheart's story however is far more tied to it since she's the courier of it. Much of the early story has a strict desire to get it into your hands.

  • @tiradentes4525
    @tiradentes4525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    ShadowHeart is a really cool character. When people starting to see the "real" situation I think they'll agree.
    She is a good person under the influence of an Evil goddess, the mistress of darkness and loss... whose preach lieing and deceive to know others intentions without revealing theirs.

    • @Geroaergaroe
      @Geroaergaroe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Except it's really not good character writing. It's just edgy shit for the sake of being edgy... Like literally all the fucking cast.

      Compare that fucking clown to Durance and you'll understand how to write an actual doom-driven cleric.
      And I'm being gentle here, I could easily argue that all the fucking characters are as equally edgy and cringy ; just because of the fucking density of tiefling and other exotic races, even amongst NPC.
      The funniest part about it is that this game is advertised as a "true" game of DnD : I would never stay in a gaming table with such a party and a player would have to present some serious argument for me to accept such character concepts as a GM.

    • @tiradentes4525
      @tiradentes4525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      ​@@Geroaergaroe I disliked Durance on PoE, and I disagree with the most part of your point of view.
      Let me be more specific:
      I played in different tables with different peoples and I never try to shape the party the way I like.
      The immersion for me come to each person be truly to him/her self and that sometimes mean been evil, bore, edgy or even turning against the party.
      In the universe I am just one person that happen to be in a group with the others which could or could not have the same moral/posture than I do.
      That is me, That is my companions; I have to live with that. So either I accept the way they are, or be with them while our goal is mutual or leave the party. That for me is way more immersive them by a random circumstance I find my self with person that is exactly the way I want they to be.
      PS: Of course talking to DM before the start is important, so you know "how things will be run" and if that table is for you. But when I am in, I just like people been truly to there selfs whatever that brings...

    • @jrtomlin1805
      @jrtomlin1805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe but that doesn't make her an enjoyable character to have in your party with her constant bitching.

    • @Geroaergaroe
      @Geroaergaroe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@tiradentes4525
      > I disliked Durance on PoE, and I disagree with the most part of your point of view.
      This isn't about liking or disliking Durance. Most people do not like Durance. That's the logical reaction to have.
      The point is that he is masterfully written, and in a way that is cohesive within the own game world ; in truly splendid way.
      Durance is both annoying, disgusting and absolutely pitiful. It's a very thin line to walk on, and they've done so masterfully.
      Another good example of a well written character is Eder. The background of the character isn't thrown into your face, you discover it bit by bit like you would a normal person.
      > I played in different tables with different peoples and I never try to shape the party the way I like.
      I don't.
      I just know what kind of story I enjoy ; and don't want to spend time and effort shaping one I won't.
      There is also the matter of narrative cohesion and suspension of disbelief. A misshapen group of edgy weirdos strike me as odd and destroy my own enjoyment of the game.
      We also have the same approach in a way : you leave the party, I just leave the table because I know I can't dictate how they play. That's fine.
      > The immersion for me come to each person be truly to him/her self and that sometimes mean been evil, bore, edgy or even turning against the party.
      > In the universe I am just one person that happen to be in a group with the others which could or could not have the same moral/posture than I do.
      Out of topic. I think we do not have the same definition of edgy. Edgy is by definition on the very border of unacceptable by its provocative nature.
      Here, it refer to both the character (Shadowheart, seriously ?), the agglomeration of bad trope she is and the way she is acting. There is no variance in her behavior, she's utterly two dimensionals. You also have the issue that she's entirely focused on her own (and the main) storyline rather than offering an insight into the world. To stay on POE, a good example of that is Sagani : A background never too fancy, with a fantastic, simple story behind it and a simple quest centered around the core value of the characters, which we pratically discovers from the get go.
      An interesting character don't have to have an interesting character storyline.
      >That is me, That is my companions; I have to live with that. So either I accept the way they are, or be with them while our goal is mutual or leave the party. That for me is way more immersive them by a random circumstance I find my self with person that is exactly the way I want they to be.
      Again, I do understand that most people have different expectation from a TRPG. I'm a bit of a traditionalist in the sense I prefer small scale adventure, rather than full on epic journey yet another stranger with a spooky dark past ; and people tends to forget that simplicity is part of the magic. I think there's a quote by St-Exupery on such matters : "Perfection is achieved once nothing is left to take away". My favorite character was a Halfling that fell asleep in a wagon in his home town, only to wake up in the big city a day later. We wrote the rest together, with the party, on the fly ; from its obsession with cider to how he turned from a coward to an unlikely hero.
      Having a complex background is often at odd with that philosophy, and is often the main culprit behind unnecessary edginess. And while it can be tolerated for the main character in a videogame ; because you need a driving factor behind your story that aren't the players ; you don't need to multiplicate them needlessly, especially by going over the top.
      > PS: Of course talking to DM before the start is important, so you know "how things will be run" and if that table is for you. But when I am in, I just like people been truly to there selfs whatever that brings...
      While I understand the rational behind it, it's a disaster in the making most of the time, especially when there are new player involved.
      It's also kind of easy to tone their story a bit so it's acceptably non-edgy, and usually allows them to enjoy their character a bit more .... because they left actually places for them to grow into ; allowing them to be themselves by action rather than a rigid background that shackles them.

    • @kaiserium8551
      @kaiserium8551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Geroaergaroe a "true" game, of D&D is very subjective. I just think that the game needs to apply one of D&D rulesets and that it's turned based, and that you need to work together. In this case you're working with a party on edge after getting something that will certainly kill them, and with very different origins

  • @eru-en
    @eru-en 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    astarion just stand back there, amused lmao

  • @TheFlyingPilgrim
    @TheFlyingPilgrim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    Is it weird that she’s way less hostile towards you, if you recruit her like this?

    • @ZeroX-rv1jo
      @ZeroX-rv1jo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ah yes less hostile she just wants to gut you.

    • @TheFlyingPilgrim
      @TheFlyingPilgrim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      @@ZeroX-rv1jo Listen to her dialogue after recruiting her. It’s way less bitchy, and it seems like she actually wants to be around.

    • @override367
      @override367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      @@TheFlyingPilgrim My theory is that she's actually a cleric of Selune, and Shar wiped her memory and took her. Shar does that kind of shit all the time because she's the pettiest bitch among the Greater Deities

    • @DontKnow-hr5my
      @DontKnow-hr5my 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@override367 Would also explain why she suddenly started getting light-spasms in her hand when she came to that one broken Selune Statue in the destroyed village

    • @АндрейБабичук-у9ц
      @АндрейБабичук-у9ц 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@override367 did you read my comment or did you come to the conclusion yourself?

  • @shl6367
    @shl6367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Shadowheart be like one of those obligatory tsundere girl in a gal-game

    • @RATGODORIGINAL
      @RATGODORIGINAL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Meh, not at all.

    • @gtaylor1442
      @gtaylor1442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought that would've been Lae'zel, she's way more aggressive. Shadowheart strikes me more as a kuudere kinda gal.

  • @teoch5217
    @teoch5217 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    2:12 that my bed...

    • @arturlink2431
      @arturlink2431 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea.. I use that one too

    • @RATGODORIGINAL
      @RATGODORIGINAL 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly where I want her to be :)

    • @thatshyguy9573
      @thatshyguy9573 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RATGODORIGINAL
      Exercise some restraint

    • @thatshyguy9573
      @thatshyguy9573 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @BaneCleaver
      🤚

    • @bradyking4299
      @bradyking4299 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thatshyguy9573 Agreed she just tried stabbing you, better tie her up some

  • @rrrnzzz
    @rrrnzzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i wanna comfort her :((

  • @intellinetful
    @intellinetful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Great job I wouldn't have dreamed of doing this myself

  • @Qulize
    @Qulize 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    3:22 Jfc her neck creeps me out lmao.

  • @johncrow5072
    @johncrow5072 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    She's like the X Girl Friend that think you'll get back together.....in death.

  • @district32
    @district32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That corpse still in my camp... I can't do anything with this

  • @peterc4056
    @peterc4056 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Tiefling male MC looks like Jared Leto.

  • @ProfBrunoClemente
    @ProfBrunoClemente 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    7:02 if the full release makes my Monk react like that to Shadowheart, I'll be pissed lol
    I expect, at least, an earlier option to disarm her.
    Jokes aside, that reaction makes sense if you character usually wears armor (since you are without armor on your free time) or if you are a frail caster.

    • @connormagidson2087
      @connormagidson2087 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You can actually use the Knockout attack to knock her unconscious which triggers the subsequent dialogue as well afaik, which would be thematically on point for a monk anyway.

  • @beanie2129
    @beanie2129 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ... I was not expecting that at the end. Damn Astarion.

  • @conneranderson4186
    @conneranderson4186 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yessss you uploaded it!

  • @03irisiris10
    @03irisiris10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Does she still join if you have Lae'zel or does she continue to refuse if she's there ?

  • @avishkasen
    @avishkasen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    After killing her, did you try casting the speak with dead spell on her?

    • @thezerowulf507
      @thezerowulf507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh that's good I need to.

    • @avishkasen
      @avishkasen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@thezerowulf507 If it does work but she says "Corpse is willing to speak but not to its killer", be sure to cast the Disguise self spell and change your race.
      Its a cantrip spell you can get as a Cleric if I'm not mistaken. Not too sure if Scrolls for the spell exists
      Once you do, cast speak with dead again and she will talk to you.
      I just tried it with Minthara and I got some Dialogue out of her. When she wasn't willing to speak earlier.

    • @Qulize
      @Qulize 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@avishkasen "Corpse is willing to speak but not to its killer" That's odd tbh. Most enemies when casted 'Speak dead', they speak to you even if you're the killer. Thanks btw for this. I didn't know that

    • @NatyaVT
      @NatyaVT ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Qulize Some spirits are willing to let overlook the fact that you killed them, others are not. Minthara and Priestess Gut are good examples of this latter, while Dror Ragzlin falls in with the former lot.

  • @Ashaweshk
    @Ashaweshk ปีที่แล้ว

    Gotta be the worst de-escalation ive ever seen lmao. You a cop? xD

  • @rrrnzzz
    @rrrnzzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    actually im now wondering what will happen with others if they are not recruited. will they come to camp trying kill tav too?? or you just will never see them again??? uughh many thoughts head full
    (ps i already know about
    lae'zel)

    • @Pascibaz
      @Pascibaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What happened to Lae'zel? I left her in cage, and i haven't met her later

    • @rrrnzzz
      @rrrnzzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Pascibaz you will meet her talking to the githyanki patrol.
      actually, videos with this outcome are already uploaded on youtube, so if you're interested you can watch them,,,,

  • @michaelatanasio223
    @michaelatanasio223 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Why is EVERYONE playing a teifling.

    • @bobloerakker7010
      @bobloerakker7010 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't..normal looking woodelf or redbearded dwarf 😎

    • @youroldman8129
      @youroldman8129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Who doesn't want to he a baddass?

    • @FeinryelRavenclaw
      @FeinryelRavenclaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I’ll play a human. That’s the story I enjoy; the familiar and relatable in an unfamiliar even alien world.

    • @youroldman8129
      @youroldman8129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @BaneCleaver @Jade Blade They also give a bunch of alternative options for appearance to each of the races. For example, you could play a pink githyanki (im sure that isnt cannon) or do like I did and play a fiend-eyed human warlock. I understand that playing non-human races can feel alien and uncomfortable, but having that bit of uniqueness (in whatever measure you like) can go a long way towards the your enjoyment of the game via your head cannon about your character's background. To this day I catch flak from my friends about always playing humans (or at least half-humans) in our pen and paper games, but taking the time to appreciate racial differences in psychology and magical ability has definitely enriched my roleplay experience; especially when it comes to considering the effects of mixing humanity with races of different divine origin (such as orcs or elves) or the sorcerer class which largely assumes your genetic makeup has been altered and attuned to magic by outside forces (dragons, fiends, abberations, wild magic, ect.)

    • @thezerowulf507
      @thezerowulf507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @BaneCleaver no I want to play a minotaur or tortle.

  • @mariusanonimus2066
    @mariusanonimus2066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    After that i managed persuaded but I can't recruit her because bug.

  • @Caliif
    @Caliif 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Is this new? It never happened in my game

  • @arsenicbug1537
    @arsenicbug1537 ปีที่แล้ว

    Proto dark urge

  • @MsGhoulz
    @MsGhoulz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Why does everyone gotta be dark and mysterious.

    • @youkilledkennyx7
      @youkilledkennyx7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The dev's only included the evil/neutral companions in EA. They wanted us to try out some darker paths than we would normally play as that's what they needed feedback on the most.

    • @RATGODORIGINAL
      @RATGODORIGINAL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because this is life. Because the Absolute of whoever is behind this whole thing is not going to choose some softy to do their bidding.

    • @shl6367
      @shl6367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Astarion isn’t dark or mysterious. Most of his character depth, judging from the leaked campaign, comes from his struggle with his past and his vampire lord

    • @Xxsorafan
      @Xxsorafan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@youkilledkennyx7 bruh I’m pretty sure the people we have now are the only companions or at the very least the main cast. Don’t expect much else 🤷‍♀️ we have gale and Wynn which are good. Shadow heart neutral/good. Shrek and astarion neutral/evil

    • @youkilledkennyx7
      @youkilledkennyx7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Xxsorafan Nah, people have already determined Minsc's voice, and have all but confirmed he will be another companion in BG3. The companions out right now will be the only origins characters, but they already confirmed there will at least be 8 due to datamines, but one would think we would see a companion of each class (many more classes and races are still yet to be released.) This definitely isn't the only companions, and Larian has already confirmed each writer made a companion, except for one, who made 2.

  • @SoyDrinker
    @SoyDrinker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I want to hold Shadowheart and kiss her on the top of her head

    • @VDA19
      @VDA19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Kiss that bowlcut

    • @popkhorne5372
      @popkhorne5372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@VDA19 the one time a bowlcut looks hot. Aside from anime of course.

    • @popkhorne5372
      @popkhorne5372 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mounthuapleb5890 ?

    • @popkhorne5372
      @popkhorne5372 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mounthuapleb5890 "emo" is a spell ?

    • @SoyDrinker
      @SoyDrinker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VDA19 I wish I could

  • @anssilehtimaki3841
    @anssilehtimaki3841 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Has anyone tried leaving other characters and seeing if you run into them later?

    • @gageguerrero204
      @gageguerrero204 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gale and so far not yet. thank god

    • @tiradentes4525
      @tiradentes4525 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know Will die if u don't recruit him (if the Druid fight the Thiefling)

    • @rerecycled7507
      @rerecycled7507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I didn't find Gale or Wyll before I dealt with the goblins on my first playthrough and they appeared in my camp during the party, talking to my guy as if they knew eachother. And I had the option to propose sexy times with them both which I thought was weird. Maybe they would have declined but I didn't try since I don't roleplay as a gay.

    • @llllukaz
      @llllukaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lae'zel dies

    • @firestorm165
      @firestorm165 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@llllukaz can confirm. Never met her after the crash in my first playthrough and discovered she was a class A b***h on my second. Next time I'm leaving her in the cage

  • @nyanko2077
    @nyanko2077 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How far does it happen in the game? She's in a the grove now. I don't recruit her. Does it happen when you reach the blighted village?

    • @hermann4142
      @hermann4142 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you do not recruit her, she will eventually come to your camp after a few long rests. I am not sure if you have to trigger any quests, but she appeared in my camp after i discovered the goblin camp.

    • @nyanko2077
      @nyanko2077 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hermann4142 Yes she did thanks. Unfortunately, she's bugged in my playthrough. Can't recruit her to my party after things are settled between us.

    • @llllukaz
      @llllukaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nyanko2077 How? Did you try other saves?

    • @nyanko2077
      @nyanko2077 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@llllukaz I tried other saves and even restarted a playthrough. Can't recruit her with my solo wizard if she comes to my camp.

    • @llllukaz
      @llllukaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nyanko2077 Shit... There's no option or the option simply doesn't work?

  • @sirgamer44
    @sirgamer44 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    does this still happen if you recruit her beforehand

  • @Volend_
    @Volend_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So does something like this happen with all the others?

  • @katnerd6712
    @katnerd6712 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just can't take her seriously with a name like "Shadowheart". Might as well have called her "xxSephirothxx". It's a name some self obsessed, unimaginative 13 year old emo kid would call his first D&D character.
    It's so dumb it's distracting.

    • @BlazingDarkness
      @BlazingDarkness ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's the name given to a cleric who's heart was supposed to be darkened after being stolen away from her goddess of light by a goddess of darkness to be brainwashed.
      Her name is more of a title under which she serves her goddess than a name, even if she goes by it.

    • @katnerd6712
      @katnerd6712 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlazingDarkness Yeah, and it's like naming your bad guy "Badguy". It's unimaginative and sounds ridiculous.

    • @bluishwolf
      @bluishwolf ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe you are just a huge Queen fan.

  • @Skaxarrat
    @Skaxarrat ปีที่แล้ว

    I can fix her.

  • @MercurialDecree
    @MercurialDecree ปีที่แล้ว

    WAIT EVERYONE SHUT UP! ..... so are all companions drawn to you if you dont recruit them?
    ALSO this seems like a twist of "fate" I sense game dev phukery.... what part of the story is majorly messed up without shadowheart???

  • @nicwin4006
    @nicwin4006 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I think they need to tone down her attitude some, because if this is the best way to recruit her (as it seems to be because she's a lot less sassy if you do it this way) then something's wrong. I'm *sure* her character is great in the end, or at least her story is interesting but she's so bitchy, I just cant bring myself to care. At least Astarion is polite when he makes small talk in camp in the beginning and jokes around with you about how he's going to kill you if you turn into a mind flayer. His defensiveness makes sense. He's trying to protect himself. His story is a good one and very heavy, but at least he opens up to you. Lazel's attitude makes sense too. She's a fighter, she doesn't have time to or care to fuck around- all business. Shadowheart on the other hand is defensive and bitchy from sentence #1 and it is seemingly for absolutely no reason unless you pry and keep prying. I just cannot be bothered with her. I killed her. If she wants me to give a fuck about her, she hasn't given me a reason to. Everyone in the party seemed fine with it. Taught Gale a healing spell but honestly haven't needed it. I think I'm better off without her dragging down my party.

    • @llllukaz
      @llllukaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, she is fucking crazy... @_@

    • @CharalamposKoundourakis
      @CharalamposKoundourakis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Why would anyone in her situation be friendly to you?

    • @drekgrimm3291
      @drekgrimm3291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This, my friends, is an example of Chaotic Neutral

  • @nadie7480
    @nadie7480 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't want spoilers in tittles.

  • @vheypreexa
    @vheypreexa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thanks for all the spoilery thumbnails. I've had to tell youtube to not recommend your vids.

    • @thezerowulf507
      @thezerowulf507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Commenting on the video makes you more likely to see them even if you tell them to not recommend it. Congratulations you played yourself.

  • @danilofreitas2849
    @danilofreitas2849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the spoiler on the thumbnail..... dislike.