Can This Genius Wind Turbine Outperform Rooftop Solar?
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It's no secret that I love rooftop solar and its popularity has been on the rise for decades. It produces power right where it is needed, lowering the strain placed on the grid. But solar power isn't perfect, and only works for 5-8 hours a day. And while commercial wind farms have also grown in popularity, smaller building-mounted wind turbines haven't historically caught on. That is, until now, and this - the Aeromine wind turbine. They believe it might just be the future of decentralized energy generation for rooftops around the world. So how does it work, and do they actually live up to the hype? Can This Genius Wind Turbine Outperform Rooftop Solar?
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Real measurements of kWh energy (with wind speed statistics) gained during at least one season in a place that has average winds (not coastal and not highlands/canyons) and we can argue about this "brilliant" turbine that costs only slightly more than 6k$ for 5kW.
In Poland we can have new PV modules (jinko, trina, canadian) with price around 1800$ per 5kWp so, yeah... That's all I guess.
The Michigan city with the BASF plant is pronounced "Why-an-dot" or "Whine-dot" [spelled Wyandotte]. You said "Wind-ot" perhaps as a Freudian Slip on the subject of this video.
You have made a mistake. How can average consumption be only 1.2kw? Your units also are incorrect.
@Zepsuj To Sam This is true. But it's another source of energy that we should be researching. The technology can be more easily maintained and life time could be excess of 50 years with little to no performance degradation as seen with current solar.
@@joeboxter3635 you can get 5kw horizontal turbine with PWM controller (with dump load and brakes) and 9m folding tower in around 3k$ from China. I will be making english version of my channel in second half of this year, where I'll show if hybrid/full offgrid is possible in specific climate 50+°N
If you have ever worked in a larger city's downtown area, you will know that certain streets, due to the prevailing winds, become wind tunnels. Seems to me more cities should identify their "wind tunnel streets" and mount some of these (or similar) wind turbines to create energy. Just a thought.
I think it would come from a private company that finds these areas and targets those building owners. Im sure with the red tape, cities would get involved and ideally pitch in.
Yup. Downtown Houston has a serious wind tunnel. Was always very relaxing at night
All buildings are a risk to birds, many wind companies have already provided studies that show their turbines cause no more harm to bird than similar structure so the areomine would add to any building but should not be significant change
Nah. Makes too much sense.
Big oil and Big coal will Do everything to prevent that from happening. Count on it.
The thing is that these turbines can be placed in arrays WITH photovoltaic systems combined. thus having a multiplicative advantage for area usage. Heck combine them with solar panels in the structure of the turbine.
Additive advantage, not multiplicative
Put some tranny toilets and urinals in the trucks and cars while your at it. It'll be multiplicative!
Add a small thorium reactor too!
Yes,typically there is more wind when there is less sun...
@@SmoochyRoo while you are at it, add geothermal energy, geothermal cooling (HVAC), aerogel insulator walls, hydropower from the water system and finally a bioreactor.
My first thought was how efficient is it in the 5 to 10 mph range. The average wind speed in the USA is between 6 and 12 mph. I would base any decision on that wind speed.
That wind speed is at what height? Likely much higher than the typical home, especially once you get it surrounded by 50+ year old trees.
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So if it can turn 10 mph wind into 50 mph wind, what happens if you start with 60 or 70 mph wind?
Tell us you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video.
Do you know about gears?
@@kcgunesq I think the obvious assumption would be that you'd need a mounting point that is exposed to the prevailing winds, Captain Wellwhatabout.
I'm grew up in Wyandotte MI. I just came on here to tell you that it's pronounced "Y & Dot" But it was cool to hear my hometown's name on your show
I was going to suggest “Y - in - dot” “Y - an - dot” or “Y - n - dot”. I live in the Metro area and have friends that grew up in Wyandotte, and this is closer to how they pronounce it. Not saying it’s right, just the way they say it.
The more complimentary renewables we have, the better! I hope this technology takes off! I caught a glimpse of this technology awhile back. Thanks for bringing this to light.
Yup I saw it years ago what happened oh it helps people can't have that, how can we get it
I could see this design being adapted and used for things like attic vents on top of houses to extract hot air and keep circulation through attics and crawl spaces in houses. Imagine being able to add multiple turbines to one of these to generate more power. Totally cool. Id love to see this idea continue through development.
isn't this already used in some sheds?
The government will make it difficult and practically illegal to install these things. Count on it.
@@jayedatredes2890 more like tax incentive… depends where you live
@@FestiCatcher Meaning the government will tax you more?
Jay Leno has something like that on his garage installed it years ago. Supplies all the power needs
I think the advantage of this turbine is potential quietness, there are more then enough high rises and warehouses to have flat roof. The quietness is key with traditional wind turbine, the tip of the blade is in sub sonic speed and it is noisy, as the turbine itself is hidden inside if it is sound proofed the noise made it interesting
It will be quiet because it is not turning or turning very slowly 99% of the time.
What I thought about when hearing this was that it might be a way to cool solar panels - since you can take the input air from anywhere. (Cooling solar panels is a big deal because it increases their lifespan dramatically.)
yep, you can suck air-conditioned air from inside the house and cool you panels.
@@dana-pw3us, “sucking airconditioned air” out of your house sounds HUGELY inefficient. Spend all that money to condition and trap that nice cool air in your house, all to send it outside, to instantly dissipate into hotter air. Not very brilliant.
You’re better off using cool, misted air.
I’m still not sure this would be practical either. But it’s more in the right direction
It's always worth thinking about scale. Modern offshore turbines are 15-20MW compared with 5kW for an aeromine. They are twice as efficient and sit in much better wind, so will probably have a capacity factor around 5-10x higher. So a single offshore turbine is going to generate the same as perhaps 20,000 aeromines. A modern offshore wind farm can be around fifty turbines. One offshore wind farm = a million aeromines. And that's why large wind farms produce such cheap electricity.
Aeromine a neat idea and there will be good use cases, e.g. off grid buildings, but don't expect it to be replacing large scale wind farms.
I like the one on Just Have a Think Channel: "Smartest Renewable Rooftop System in the world?" which combines both wind and solar for large office-block style constructions.
I liked the silent operation of PowerNEST offered in Europe too!
@@fayebird1808 Also: These Toroidal propeller designs on the Ziroth channel, and the micro-hydropower turbines safe for marine life on Just Have... too! 🤩🤩
In Western Australia a 6.6kW solar system cost below US$2400 with inverter as well!
So I think a modified version of this would be perfect for bridge underpasses which also benefits from a Venturi like effect plus wind generated from passing cars.
You could also have a rooftop and/or open air floor in a high rise skyscraper dedicated for these wind turbines.
Totally right. Also, I think an even more important point to drive home is modifying architecture itself to take advantage of these types of effects. Imagine an entire building built in two towers just like these two aerodynamic wings with windows acting like the little holes sucking up air trough the entire structure and driving turbines at the base!
It seems like that could increase the drag on cars depending on the configuration. No need to introduce a tax when there are plenty of free locations
@@Israel_Two_Bit the ancient African and Latin American cultures used city design to create wind tunnels that reduced heat between buildings. To all due respect of technology … a lot can be done to reduce usage by design. I’m into home design and working on “net zero” building techniques/logistics. Flat roofs are being used in all our designs, to harness rain water - to install wind turbines - to take up less of a land footprint.
The power nest structure is also a super interesting one, it uses solar panels on a slant with turbines underneath them and fins drawing air into the system, making the whole system about 60% more efficient to comparable systems
Is that the one pre fabbed to sit directly on top of existing buildings? If so I thought that was a very unique idea&implemented very well. 👍🏻
i like that! i have learned about another semi type of system like that, but with agriculture in mind "agrovoltaics", basically you build the solar panels on racks above your field(yeah, probably not too "wind friendly") and then plant below the panels, the panels "block" the UV that would burn the plants, and the plants thru respiration, cool the air under the panels and actually increase the panel output by keeping the air cool.
Where I live we have very consistent winds, year around so a cost effective wind generator makes a lot of sense.
On the flip side winter weather is commonly 20 to 30 below 0, and lots of snow so maybe another strikeout.
@1:15 You must have made a mistake here. The average American usage last year was 10,632 kWh. The US produced 4,240 TWh last year of which 435 TWh was made using wind energy which powered 34 Million people in America according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
Installing a northeast-facing Aeromine to turn Santa Ana winds into electricity seems like a perfect way to completely offset any “public safety power shutoffs” that utilities may attempt to implement. And of course an Aeromine facing the ocean would similarly benefit people who live on the beach, especially here in SoCal where the temperature difference between the ocean and the land can be extreme in the summer months.
First of all, absolutely agree that combining the generation of electricity WITH the extraction of heat build up near the top of the ceiling is a huge win win. Second, you mentioned several examples of the benefits, but didn't mention that this would eliminate the costs and losses from transmission, that is such a huge negative factor when generating electricity from large windmills that are a long distance from where the power generated will be used.
For the direction issue, just mount it on a pivot and put a sail on one side to keep it facing the wind.
It can't move like that it's connected to intake pipes that are fixed.
At least that's how it looked to me. Plus he said it couldn't swivel.
@@MrWyzdum The only real output should be the 2 wire power lines. This can be done with rotational contacts .
@@dennistucker1153 Maybe I misunderstood the video but I thought I saw it connect to a tube that had the impeller for the dynamo in it, and that made it unable to pivot.
In any event I really think Ricky said that it COULDN'T be made to pivot for some reason.
I could have totally mixed it up, and the ability to pivot into the wind seems like a benefit for any wind-based device, some I'm with you on that.
It seems the pivoting is not possible because it needs to be at the edge, of a square edge structure, to benefit from the compression effect of the prevailing wind.
Their 2nd generation version could theoretically be movable because the aerofoils, venturi and generator ducting etc., are combined in the same structure, but to move it to face the prevailing wind would require a track structure to move it around the edge of the building.
It appears to me that the cost benefit of this design is going to be tenuous enough already, save an exceedingly small proportion of cases with EXACTLY the right conditions.
I’m not going to get too excited about this one……
@@adamkohalmi7180 I agree.
What's crazy is that I thought of this and decided to research it more and found this company that is already doing it. Always happens.
Yeah I had an ideea about photosynthesis yesterday generating power but this is already being developed and researched,the saying that there's always someone more smart and talented than you it's real
I am waiting for one of these wind concentrator ideas to pan out. Its not just efficiency but the range of wind speed that is useful. We have east or west winds here depending on time of year and it would be important for this unit to pivot in some way. I have a shipping container I would love to try one of these ideas on.
I thought about shipping containers as well. Those vertical canals containers have on the walls could help direct the wind upwards even more. Also, anything on the coastline would work well. As in, at the edge of a cliff or something similar.
That would be awesome ....they diy potential is awesome here
@@TwoBitDaVinci My wife says I get far too many ideas from youtube. My current project is getting a chicken flock going (first batch of eggs put in incubator a couple of days ago) and getting a soldier fly compost system going as part of a high protein food source for chickens. I'm just bouncing around wind turbine ideas in my head. I do have a weather station installed on container to get a detailed idea of wind speeds on my property.
Check out a Darwin wind tower. it's a good design for light variable direction winds. Robert Murry Smith has a couple different designs over on his channel.
@@leroyharder4491 It would be awesome to see some real-world data from that weather station
With so many minds thinking about the right design of the vertical wind turbine using the drum half of a 4 drum halve configuration which are aligned at 90 degree angles from each other, how to stop the drag from the opposing side of the drum half, there is a simple solution that operates independently from the rotation of the drum turbine.
You could make the intake for this system part of a house AC system. This would passively move air through a AC system with minimal help from fans, once again lowering energy cost.
Side note, it would also act as an exhaust to pull fresh air from the star of the system.
that is the real invention, maybe you should try it. The venturi effect could be powerful enough to run a ventilation system. but not powerful enough to run a generator
Amazing idea!
This is the type of turbine that I want for my boat. Solar works great 10 months a year, but I want a wind solution since there is plenty of that when the sun doesn't shine.
This design looks very similar to the old AC systems of ancient Persia. I wonder how closely Aeromine studied those. So cool.
It is, right?😮. Kudos for noticing that
I was reminded about those towers they build since ages on the Arabian peninsula.
I'm imagining whole neighborhoods filled with these things, their bearings slowly rusting, so that one, upon sitting in one's back yard, could listen to squeaks of varying frequencies from the rusty bearings, as each turbine turned at a slightly different rate.
A "Rotating Base" and a Wind Vein would help with regions that receive "crosswinds" from various directions all day long!
Agreed, Hopefully they will add this feature as an option.
But won’t they lose a lot of efficiency as they are using the roof as part of the setup
I live on a lake, and in the summer it's usually nonstop 20-40 km/h winds, in the winter it's nonstop 60-100 km/h winds. If these things work well, I might buy one and put it on my shore and feed back to the grid for a rebate.
Definitely an interesting twist to harness the power of the wind. We have seen/read issues with large turbines in regards to maintenance issues, and operating restrictions. (Must be shut down in high winds to protect equipment, and some locations don't generate enough wind) This tech seems to correct both of those issues. Will the manufacture also address recycle issues with their materials?
Shut down in high wind ? You just auto-feather the blades. The turbines look after themselves. You can recycle all the stuff used in turbines,just depends if you're trying hard enough.
I would still consider this project experimental as well since there is nothing available commercially. Furthermore, I have yet to see any news, from Aeromine, that would suggest this will be available for residential use. Everything appears to be geared toward larger facilities or commercial use only.
They can make this unit turn with the prevaling winds. Just mount the generator on a fixed mount and let the duct turn with upper unit.
I have seen videos promoting this wind turbine without mention any of the drawbacks.
Interesting concept that can be used several places and probably be improved.
You need to look into Harmony Turbines. They are self furrowing, so can deal with high winds and weather, and they are 360deg capable. Currently small boat applications dominate, but others are coming. I see them as complimentary to solar arrays on farms, in the corners of fields, etc.
Harmony turbines are elegantly simple and they look awesome. More like a kinetic sculpture than a wind generator. Then again, I guess most VAWT do, lol
Most people live in urbanized area's, where solar will remain the primary and often only serious source of energy.
I considered experimenting with mudd/earth energy, but its a lot of work to make that work and you need a big scale for it to work, and probably a serious ground area in your garden as well - unless they start to apply it in the building of the house.
What's the actual performance of the BASF trial? I'm skeptical with any small scale wind turbines as the localised turbulence intensity at the corner of a building makes its really difficult to extract power from it. Especially is urban areas where you need to get up really high to get laminar flow to make them efficient enough.
So far my wind turbine I put out isn’t panned out
This design looks much more promising!
Happy with solar just wanted to give it a chance.
Maybe if I can mount it on a tree top lol
Lately I’ve really been enjoying the new induction cooker and my deep freezer running off the sun solely!
Thanks
Thank you! After watching a number of videos about this thing, you showed the part that was always missing. The holes. It finally makes sense! I couldn't understand how an airfoil would matter to the bottom mounted fan. It's all clear now.
Yes. My thought exactly. It's super counterintuitive until you understand how the thing actually works. I think it's an awesome design And it should be scalable. I wonder if these things would work offshore, like on the edges of an oil rig or something!
@@Israel_Two_Bit Agreed. They need less height and space, less distance between, but they may do better on the side of a building. I've seen the best design on a roof beneath solar panels, but that may depend on the weather to that local. IDK.
I wonder if scaled-up would do as well or better. I also wonder if some of the electricity created could also go to some slight heating aspect for colder climates, to prevent ice/snow buildup.
@@PaulADAigle I'm sure it could. I mean, I don't see why not. One thing I like about this whole setup is that, since the spinning blades of the turbine aren't in the wind itself, and there are no moving parts in that portion that is exposed to the wind, I'd be willing to bet these turbines cause less disturbance in wind currents than bu turbine blades. So you may get away with a much higher turbine density in any one wind farm (offshore or onshore). That may offset the lower efficiency while dramatically cutting down cost at the same time.
This sounds like something I heard about on a Just Have A Think channel. What was mentioned there also mentioned air flowing over solar panels to cool them down, working in concert together. So maybe this is something else? But it otherwise looks and sounds so familiar.
See even active fan cooling can give more energy than consumed as the PV becomes more efficient the cooler it is even down past freezing temperatures and especially the case at very high temperatures as well as increasing the life span of the PV. The wind turbines mentioned on just have a think also were box like and put on the edges of roofs but blew/channeled air past solar panels cooling them down and working together.
Also something about eliminating down drafts found by buildings.
I too would like to have a combination of wind and solar power for my home. I think a vertical turbine is the best option. I hope they will develop a home version soon. Bye the way the city of Wyandotte is pronounced ‘WHY ‘N DOT’. I grew up 10 minutes from there and my sister worked at BASF.
I was about to mention the pronunciation of Wyandotte. 😅
I have a 400 watt horizontal wind turbine in my yard but our wind is not constant enough to produce much. I am wondering how much vibration these units cause and what is the lowest wind at which this can produce significant power? You need at least 10mph constant wind for small turbines. I recommend solar which is more consistent than wind most places. Very few places get 22 mph wind speeds at any consistency.
Great video and information! I have been watching another wind turbine company called Harmony Turbines and I hope to see either those or these on buildings in the near future.
Back in the 1950's and 1960's I saw a way to cut a barrel in half vertically, add a car alternator with two pulleys and a belt to generate 12 volts. Designs of wind turbines have changed over the years but the basic Savonius vertical axis design still can't convert as much wind energy into electrical as the horizontal axis design using blades (17% verses almost 50% because of the area intercepting the wind.) So, this complicated design still uses smaller horizontal axis blades but relies on a wind tunnel for higher speed winds. Looks like it could make a great nest for insects or birds and certainly costs more.
Makes me think of maybe a reverse Dyson fan. Increase the "Dyson framework" size and allow that framework to rotate. Probably less efficient as a DIY but very interesting. Cool, thank you for this video!
no doubt. the Venturi effect is legit, Dyson was smart enough to utilize/popularize it.
Ricky, do any of your roof lines face the ocean and not have solar panels? How about putting a series of small, long, squirrel cage generators (similar to over-door air curtains, but with reversed flow) at the ridge AND a series of shutters above at the opposite angle from horizontal as your roof? When closed, that would funnel a lot of wind into the generator(s). In high wind, each spring-loaded vane could open to furl the shutter at a
designated load. They could be snubbed or damped to reduce the noise of closing and chatter at the threshold wind load. San Diego planning department would love that idea, huh?
There's another design that shows a lot of promise, that is similar in it's small footprint, can take low speed wind from any direction and has relatively high output- it's a Darwin wind tower.
Robert Murray Smith has a couple designs over on his channel. It's a cool option for DIY sorts.
I visited the headquarters of a company who had just bought a emergency power system manufacturer years ago in Houston. Enron......sounded good and went NO WHERE.
I’ve seen this awhile back, can’t wait for them to come up with something for homeowners
I can think of new skyscraper designs where as each floor in opposite corners of the building would be a section of the air foils. Imagine the draft created by a 30 floor building let alone 70 or better. The updraft intakes could be placed on any floor. If the unit itself is efficient at that size a whole complex of buildings could generate power for a grid.
I wonder how it would perform if mounted on a roof apex with the feed from the attic directly below. Easy to imagine it sitting on a small servo controlled platform to track the blade assembly into the wind. The operation would be a little different but the venturi effect would still play its part.
There is little wind around at rooftop level. If it's not obvious why that is, I suggest you THINK more.
@@grahamstevenson1740 I live in rural Thailand. The speed over our pitched roof reaches several m/s, depending on the season.. The attic temperature for a source updraft ranges from 30c-45c. If I can build a rotating base this will supplement my solar arrays with less noise and more output than a standard turbine. I think my post stands despite your rude comment. .
@@bobdeverell If you compare with the wind velocity ar 30m you will see that it's faster at height. OTOH, it you can get useful energy, that's fine too.
Take a cylinder, cut it into two vertical halves, weld them together vertically so that the open halves face different directions, pivot the device on upper and lower ball bearing joints.
The turbine spins whatever the wind direction, so connect for electricity as you will.
Ground mounted systems? What would be the possible setups?
If they mounted these over a large scale plastic sheet - the air underneath is heated and rises to be collected by the aeromine inlet - the air is already moving so it may increase performance. The surface of these plastic sheets used for protecting high value crops from 'hail damage' tends to be non-flat but the units could be mounted higher to circumvent this.
The generated power could then be used for irrigation or autonomous small scale farm equipment.
Its very windy almost always where I live. This can be quite useful as an energy source.
I'm in the process of building a rustic log cabin in a super windy place. I was thinking of building a birds nest to house a stationary wind turbine. Thank you Ricky.
I think wind and solar for the home would be great. there is an vertical axis wind turbine that closes the faster the wind blows so it does not overspeed and break. Thank you for the info. I cannot wait to see how this all works for you.
If this or other modern turbines work as good as they say, they will be bought up by the big companies and put on a shelf and never seen again. Back to square one.(Again)
What if you control the magnetic field in the generator so that the harder the wind blows, the stronger the field, and the more energy is converted to electricity?
The Halcium Energy, power pod. Adresses all of the things that this system does. With many more advantages. Much smaller. Not ugly. Can be mounted anywhere. Omnidirectional wind. Lower wind speed. And should be a fraction of the cost. Perfect for homeowners.
I remember when Matt at Undecided covered these. I have been watching them ever since then. I am wondering how they would work on a standard house, as the roof on a normal house is not flat, and thus causes a very different pattern for the wind. I don't have the computing horsepower to create a fluid model of the airflow over a typical house to get an idea though.
I am lucky enough to live coastal. So I don't believe it would be needed with certain building surfaces, because it mostly always has strong winds. Such a low cost thingy, could sell really well compared to production costs of silicon for solar panels, or costly full scale wind mills. If this thing cost more than a medium sized boat, I think they are overcharging you/us. As the material cost visually looks low. It's the idea and the patents that should drive the price upwards. If they license this for a more smooth production I think the inventor can get rich very very fast
@@grilsegrils9330 absolutely, patents are holding humanity back. There are too many people in positions of power that uphold their own salaries and power by supporting a patent system. And when someone says patents are needed, just ask “if you had to survive and needed to create a patented item , you wouldn’t?”
Iv'e got a normal house and it has flat roof, albeit a skillion roof, if Aeromine sold to the domestic market i would have one in an instant. I will look up the Undecided video out of interest, thanks.
@@vicariouswitness Kill the patent system = eat the seed corn
@@kreek22 we never know until we try
20 years ago I read an article about a high tower capturing wind which was created by rising air from warm ground heated by the sun. A turban inside the tower drove a generator. The inventor claimed he could power the whole world using the space of the Sahara desert. Sounded like a great idea..........so what happened? I never heard. Best of luck to these guys. I'm all for it if it works.
A very promising device, thanks for sharing that info. I just wonder how noisy they are though :)
You can deploy it on Divider of Road.
..moving vehicles will be advantage and guaranteed air.
I wonder if they could make these larger like the windmills and thus make them generate more energy with less surface area and less moving parts.
Size could be increased by adding more airfoil the distance between the airfoil would be key to the overall efficiency of the system.
Great information, i also wish we had more wind technology to supplement, one reason for this is that a lot of areas do not allow wind power. Maybe we can ask our law makers to relax some regulations to encourage development
Rick. This is a exciting technology to follow. If when they can up the kw a lil more and make it for the population that would be great. I don’t currently have a flat roof now. But we are thinking on moving, i now have something else to consider at possible homes. Thank You 🙏
So, it's an eductor driven turbine. Interesting considering the relative inefficiency of eductors in general. But, the tradeoff could mean safer wind technology and all around improved environmental hit. It'll be interesting to see where this ends up.
This looks perfect for the diy builder. I'm certain some plans will hit the internet after they launch. Doesn't seem like there are any specialized parts in them. Just the shape and location of the airfoils.
This seems like an ideal DIY wind turbine design. I'm curious how the length of the wing section affects performance. I could see someone scaling this to 20 or 30 feet in their back yard with the generator and intake at the ground level and the wings divided into sections with simple air flaps to prevent air being sucked from different sections of the wing. there is also no reason a ground mounted design couldn't swivel to match changing air direction. it seems like mounting on buildings is about forcing more air through the wings, but in places with actual wind the issue for home users is maintenance. having all the moving parts on the ground is a big deal. Although it would have to beat cutting a 50gallon barrel in half and mounting it on an alternator.
Totally right. Although from a DIY standpoint, it might be hard to nail the exact curvature of the wings to maximize the Venturi effect. That could be an issue. These guys are experts in aerodynamics and they have a wind tunnel for testing, so in a DIY scenario, it could be a real hit or miss. It would still be pretty awesome if you made it work, though.
Hopefully this new design inspires many people to make a Diy version.
@@Israel_Two_Bit it definitely has some interesting engineering aspects. Perhaps an adjustable wing design. The big thing to me is having all the moving parts easily accessible. if you have plenty of wind efficiency isn't the biggest problem but moving parts always means maintenance. It is definitely hard to beat the simplicity of the vortex generator.
Tech Ingredients would probably show a diy wind turbine/aeromine.
What about installing a mini such turbine on a sailing boat? The apparent wind (resulting from the true speed of the wind combined with the wind generated by the movement of the boat) would be great! Of course the turbine would have to be mounted on a rotational basis...
I seriously doubt that it is cost effective. I wish this channel didn't use click bait titles, I might have to unsubscribe
I agree. The titles are misleading at best. I’ve commented on this a lot. Matt Ferrell would not like this either!! Tone down the title crap. The content is good, but COME ON RICKY! Your better than such tricks/crap.
Please pay attention to the question mark in the title!
Punctuation marks just boggle your mind huh
I'm not sure it's unlikely to be cost effective. Or cost effective when compared to grid or off grid. But, An unmoving air foil to speed up the air for ventury effect is relativly cheap. Naturally strong through its curve, And Getting a comparitivly small turbine to spin very vast is relativly cheap to design, and modular, and lends well to cheap to manufacturing. I'm just not so quick to dismiss.
Taking inspiration from this I'm wondering if one simplified the design to a horizontal wing or upside down trapezoid along the ridge line of a typical gabled roof with one continouse narrow gap along the length participating in the venturi effect with the peak of the roof, and a small wind turbine at each end. I used to do roofing and it seems to me that securing this idea to the peek would be easy to install in let's say 8 foot sections, and it would be minimally visually intrusive, and useful even in low winds.
@@kreynolds1123 additionally, there are no exposed rotating parts to cause injury, and it doesn’t have the noise associated with wind turbines. I expect something like this to be usable soon, they would be great for northern areas where there is a lot more wind than sun
Solar panels are actually a lot closer to $1/w if you DIY your own install etc. Is the $3.70+ price point you used based on commercial installs?
I remember years ago researching how to make a wind turbine using liter pop bottles cut to fit.
A thermostatic controlled heater, and or, one that detects changes in air pressure to activate the heating coils to return the flow to a minimum rate might work.
just for fun I have calculated the required wind speed to achieve 5kW (considering the 20% efficiency and surface in the wind of 7ft x 21ft from the picture in the video) - it is about 52 km/h or 32 mph (at sea level and 20grdC). And don't forget that the achieved output decreases with the wind speed cubed.
Yes. You have shown that this thing is pretty pointless.
2 questions:
1. Why not on center roof peaks, that way ypu can already have accelerated and compressed air going in to ventura affect?
2. What about adding a vertical wind turbine behind to capitalize in the generated airflow and perssure?
Who the hell will want that complexity on their singled roof tops let slim on a flat roof
@Dennis Green cor me it's not about who, I am more intrigued by the physics and trying to maximize efficiency. Hell, if it could replace my homes power needs, I would.
@Andrew Beckett I'm more so saying due to the sheer size it would need to be and the complexity behind it would prevent a small enough unit that won't be too much of a load on the joists with the wind you would really want. The anchoring would be rough on the structure. You see how big that unit is on a flat roof. No way is someone butting that on a sloped roof so it can barrel down in high wind speeds. I'm not saying it's not a good thought but it's that the practicality isn't there and I'm pretty sure we don't have the technology to have such a small unit to capture that much kinetic energy efficiently out of something light weight and small
As part of an overall solution, assuming again there is wind it's a nice addition., where I am in Uganda - Kampala, we get next to no wind for about 9 months of the year, the other 3 months its very hit and mis, while its true weather patterns are changing, in seems to be in the area or more sun, less rain and less wind.
Finally a use for Parliament. All that hot air can power a turbine
enjoyed your video. You did not mention one of the big downsides of small residential horizontal axis wind turbines. Noise and vibration. This design looks to substantially reduce those attributes.
The design is simple yet effective. Can see a lot of potential to utilize this concept for wind power production. With all day and weather electricity production, it seems like a better value than solar alone. Very scalable and adaptable as well. The physics works for water as well, really anything with fluid dynamics.
Not effective. The efficiency is pathetic whereas large commercial wind turbines get pretty close to the Betz limit.
I wonder if owners of large flat roof buildings could actually rent space for these machines either from the power companies or private investors. In some areas there are a lot of vacant buildings due to the economic turndown that resulted from COVID. Also there are some large warehouse buildings whose electrical needs are relatively low. The tops of large parking structures might generate more than they need.
If you are looking for a different wind turbine, check out the Ridge blade. A Canadian company with a design that can be mounted on a residential home.
Combining solar and wind makes perfect sense for a cleaning energy future.
WOW Ricky a 10mph wind becomes 20mph at the intake & 50mph between the airfoils is ABSOLUTELY wide... few exposed moving parts & spaced 21 feet apart? What's NOT to like? I want one!
Anything attached to a house has to be silent. We had a air extractor system in the loft. It was nearly silent. But turned of at night. But if a northerly wind blew at night it turned the switched of fan. The noise kept us awake. Fitting a powered blind to the outlet fixed the problem. So I would be very cautious to fitting a turbine to the roof
This would also take care of central air distribution if you connected the suction pipe to the inside of your house
How am I supposed to remember what I had for dinner yesterday if I do that?
Should scale it up and make an entire building one huge aeromine and see how many watts it produce. Added that heat can be easily removed at the intake to even increase efficiency of the system, tropical cities could have free air conditioning. Need to be extremely strong to withstand storms though.
till min 10 everything sounded great, in the final part of the video we concluded we will use solar panels
It should be noted, however, that the wind does not come from only one direction, as the front of the Aeromine module suggests. "As soon as the wind turns even a little, the wind surface area of this system is reduced", good concept but not quite thought out, there is certainly still some room for improvement.
A better use for this could be to extract the fumes from commercial kitchens. An extractor powered by the wind and generating electricity when there is wind and powered by a fan when is not windy. 2x the benefits at same initial cost
What a delicious irony. Using the venturi effect (which makes carburetors work) is making wind power more efficient.
I personally love the idea that everyone in the world be able to produce all their energy and put an end to the big energy companies and all the governments. Thanks Ricky I've seen those on here, there is also one on producing hydrogen at home that has still not been able to get going good yet as well .
So similar to a carburetor or blowing over a straw, reducing pressure pulls fluid or air up the tube. Also similar to a chimney. They Powe up on the draw, not the blades. Its like a jet. I've seen those big funnel like air ram things they can bring in air from all sides and drive a turbine, very similar. Its worth building a rower for this. You could even stack them AND OR put them on a rotating platform with a fin. You could also put them over industrial exhausts...
The design is simple enough. You could easily make one of these out of plywood and some screen material. Put the aerofoil (airfoil) section on a bearing on top of a big hollow tube (so it draws air up from the ground) and put your turbine inside the tube near the bottom for easy maintenance. Put a tail on the aerofoil section so it turns, always facing the wind and ensure the tube is hollow up into the aerofoils and you should be good to go. I can't imagine something like this costing nearly $10grand to make. Maybe $2grand if you use good quality steel for the pole and coat the wood with a weather resistant coating and fiberglass. And hell, you could even slap a small solar panel on top of it to grab some of that delicious sunlight for a bit more power generation, or if you're in cold climates, embed some heating elements into the design to melt the snow.
I wil try as er your suggestion
I agree it wouldn't cost $10k to make, the $10k is what it would sell for initially, until it was able to be manufactured in high enough quanities to lower the cost.
There are other things to consider when looking at the price you would pay for one of these units.
Parts, Labor, Logistics, Warehouse leasing, Factory leasing, Insurance, Interest repayments, plus a heap of others I would presume.
Any company that sells something as the price it takes to make it would go out of business in a really short time.
This is such a great site. Information without preaching.
The projected cost and production figure comparison with solar do not state latitude of installation which makes a massive difference. If the installation is in a relatively northern location, even in sunny climate, your solar production is much lower than in a place like Florida. In addition, the higher the latitude much greater production concentration in the late spring and summer months which may create higher surplus.
@8.50 “18% efficiency @ wind speeds as low as 22 miles per hour” which is e 9.8 meters per second. I have measured the wind speed on third floor of my house on a very windy day @5m/s. It also a fixed design - my wind direction changes from the south in the summer to from the north in the winter. I have a flat roof but won’t be considering this option.
We have many rivers in this country and we should make better use of the energy potential of them. By designing water powered turbines suitable for the environment they are installed in we could provide local areas with power as long as the river flows.
If no wind a helium filled delta kite floats 100 ft high.
Wind above 4 mph causes top kite to rise and pull a train of kites up.
Cloth hose connects all train kites so air pressure runs a generator on the ground.
Weight pulls kite train back in when wind is too light.
The US Energy Information Administration’s estimate for the average US household’s electricity consumption is over 10kWh per day. Not sure where the figure of 1.2 kW came from.
Still very cool to promote alternative electricity production. Having wind and solar would compliment each other well. You would still need battery storage though I reckon.
I have seen designs and small prototypes that are cylindrical in shape that will capture the wind from any direction.
With government incentives(30 % ITC) you can get solar for $1.70-$2.00/watt if you purchase cash (finance fees add 30+%). I wonder if gov will subsidize this, how long do they guarantee production for?