100% agree. I don't view it as a history lesson at all. I see it as a very well thought out, entertaining and stunningly made cautionary tale against envy and self-loathing. Likewise, it is a grand showcase for a stunning reproduction of some of Mozart's best work (I LOVE the Marriage of Figaro and Don Giovanni scenes)! Truly one of the greats and so far has remained my personal favorite movie!
You are very delusional my friend. If Mozart chose Figaro and did all he could with Ponte's help to mount it it is ONLY because the play was a massive success in Europe. Mozart was only looking for success, and the Emperor had to yield because Mozart and Da Ponte were aware of the popularity in Vienna of the play. Marie Antoinette did all she could to favour the play. You have a romantic stupid view of composition. And I say this because the Nozze is the best opera ever made.
It was impossible to block. Joseph II was perfectly aware of his inability to block it. The Shaffer scenario is ridiculous but necessary for non specialists.
One of the courtmen arguing with Mozart about the opera was the baron van Swieten, the one who wrote the librettos for The Creation and The Seasons for Joseph Haydn. Very important at his time. And those librettos are marvelous!
The movie's plot is not very historically accurate, but the depiction of mozart is pretty accurate i believe. Read his letters to his father and you will find they are full with vulgar jokes about feces and ridiculous juvenile things.
@Boerenfox Wait a minute... is that you, Mike? Mike Salieri, Amherst '98? Hey, what's going on dude? LOL, still hung up on the "misunderstood ancestor" thing, I see...
Great scene. But I don't understand why the filmmakers decided to have Mozart explain the beginning of the opera when it's the same as the beginning of the play! Emperor Joseph seemingly knows what it's about--right?
I loved this movie, but there was one thing I hated about it. Not the historical inaccuracy, but that laugh. That laugh. I hate that laugh, it's terrifying, like the Joker's laugh.
Ironie de l'Histoire , c'est la légèreté des Noces , qui survit à toutes les violences qui ont si longtemps opposées France et Autriche sur les terrains militaires. La Vie qui passe se moque bien des conflits du moment , l'art du beau , ici porté par un opéra , survit à tout . Merci à Wolfgang , pour longtemps encore.
This scene is ridiculous. I love the movie but it is pure fiction and full of idiotic scenes.....I nevertheless love 😊😊😂 Joseph II couldn't afford to refuse the Nozze because it was a huge success ( thanks to his sister) all over Europe and particularly among Austrian nobles. This beautiful movie is PURE fiction.
Well, the play really was banned in Vienna. It was Da Ponte who argued to the emperor that the opera should be allowed. The movie is mostly fiction, but makes use of historical facts here and there. Mozart's love of fart-jokes is accurate for instance, though I greatly doubt he would have made vulgar comments to the emperor.
@@teresagardiner153 1) you are right but you forget that it was not Da Ponte's words that convinced the Emperor. It was the popularity of the play among his nobles. Da Ponte has never had an influence on the court of Vienna. 2) The fart and poop jokes were very common in Mozart's time. It has nothing to o with Mozart 's personnality. His wife and many nobles used them. 3) Shaffer's Amadeus is a theft. He used Mozart's fame to advance his proper fame by constantly lying about him, to please the audience. He could have used a fictional character and the movie would have been as good, but of course using Mozart was a far easiest road. Read about Mozart's real life and you will find that Shaeffer is a crook. NEARLY EVERYTHING in this good movie is fictional and has nothing to do with Mozart's life.
@@antoinemozart243 I know that bathroom humor was common at the time, but that doesn't mean it wasn't part of his personality. Everything you do is part of your personality. I'm not aware of Constanze indulging in fart-jokes. I wouldn't be surprised if she did, but her letters to Mozart haven't survived, and none of her surviving letters include vulgar humor, as far as I know. They could have made a movie about fictional characters, but then they'd have to compose the music themselves, and it probably wouldn't be as great as Mozart. Also, a famous name is better for marketing.
@@teresagardiner153 No, it wasn't part of his personnality. Like food, religion, composition styles, language's habits are not part of our personnality. We integrate them. Mozart was initiated as a free mason. It was not part of his "personnality". It was just necessary for his career as nearly all of his influential friends were initiated, like Haydn. Dirty jokes were common if you read letters , not only of the Mozart's but from the people who had the same status. It has NOTHING to do with his "personality". Sorry. And if you consider marketing by stealing the name and fame of an historic person as a badge of authenticity, I absolutely don't agree. Because, for commercial purposes, it abuses people .
@@antoinemozart243 I'm not sure why you think that learned behavior shouldn't count as part of someone's personality. Most of our behavior is probably learned, on some level. Crude humor is pretty common in our culture nowadays as well, but not everyone likes it. Most people do some things that are common but don't do other common things. Why? Personality. Not everyone in the 18th century liked dirty humor, because not everyone had the same personality. It's also worth pointing out that fart-jokes are *especially* common in Mozart's letters. His sister Nannerl used vulgar humor in only one of her letters, and not at all in her extensive diaries. Their parents used it more frequently than Nannerl, but still not as frequently as Mozart. That's because it was simply a more prevalent part of Mozart's personality.
it was not Mozart who assured the emperor to put the play on stage! they could have at least read some historic materials! the actor is awful. A Man who wrote such Music couldn't be so plain, banal and vulgar.
I’m being recommended these 16 year old uploads all of a sudden. Amazing. We’ll have 20 year old TH-cam videos soon.
Mozart's passion and excitement for the music intrigues and wins over the King. There's a lot to be said for passion.
100% agree. I don't view it as a history lesson at all. I see it as a very well thought out, entertaining and stunningly made cautionary tale against envy and self-loathing. Likewise, it is a grand showcase for a stunning reproduction of some of Mozart's best work (I LOVE the Marriage of Figaro and Don Giovanni scenes)!
Truly one of the greats and so far has remained my personal favorite movie!
Dear Mary, won't please upload the whole movie? This is such a piece of art, I would love to see it all. Thank you!
I'm sure many artists can relate to Mozart in this scene, having to fight for your vision against ignorant people/rules.
so...U know some demokkkratz, then...
Imagine artists having any sort of profound vision in 2023
@@Ben-hn4nw what?
You are very delusional my friend. If Mozart chose Figaro and did all he could with Ponte's help to mount it it is ONLY because the play was a massive success in Europe. Mozart was only looking for success, and the Emperor had to yield because Mozart and Da Ponte were aware of the popularity in Vienna of the play. Marie Antoinette did all she could to favour the play. You have a romantic stupid view of composition. And I say this because the Nozze is the best opera ever made.
Russian goverment ,china and north korea@@DavidKalnbach-vm3xc
This is my favorite opera. I hate to imagine it could have been blocked by the king for trivial reasons.
It was impossible to block. Joseph II was perfectly aware of his inability to block it. The Shaffer scenario is ridiculous but necessary for non specialists.
It is not trivial at all considering the turmoil in Europe at the time.
One of the courtmen arguing with Mozart about the opera was the baron van Swieten, the one who wrote the librettos for The Creation and The Seasons for Joseph Haydn. Very important at his time. And those librettos are marvelous!
all actors speaking are superb, thanks to superb direction, me best cinematic knowledge thinks
Awesome scene from a great movie.
Amadeus kicks ass.
Viva Mozart❤
@ThatZazenIdiot Something with "Bella ..."
The movie's plot is not very historically accurate, but the depiction of mozart is pretty accurate i believe. Read his letters to his father and you will find they are full with vulgar jokes about feces and ridiculous juvenile things.
He did not die poor. He and his wife had 6 children to raise.
@Boerenfox Wait a minute... is that you, Mike? Mike Salieri, Amherst '98? Hey, what's going on dude? LOL, still hung up on the "misunderstood ancestor" thing, I see...
0:15 does this refer to Marie Antoinette who would later be executed?
No one else. Marriage of Figaro was composed in 1786.
"I'm a vulgar man ...but I assure you, my music 🎶 is not" 😅
Originally, "Le Nozze di Figaro"
MOZART ROCKS MY SOCKS!
From "Les Noces de Figaro"
Le Nozze ( the marriage)
huh course not, many countries still have a monarchy
The guy playing Emperor Joseph II is very good for the role, methinks.
The casting for this film is absolutely perfect! Every actor is just right.
Great scene. But I don't understand why the filmmakers decided to have Mozart explain the beginning of the opera when it's the same as the beginning of the play! Emperor Joseph seemingly knows what it's about--right?
I can't find that damn octet anywhere.
It is the finale of the second act
3:35
Which Opera was this from??
The Marriage of Figaro. 👍❤️
I think is the worse when my son spits up
I loved this movie, but there was one thing I hated about it. Not the historical inaccuracy, but that laugh. That laugh. I hate that laugh, it's terrifying, like the Joker's laugh.
the guy that played the Emperor was in fact a "vulgar man" in real life
He also spied on Simba who was skipping school 😂
Ironie de l'Histoire , c'est la légèreté des Noces , qui survit à toutes les violences qui ont si longtemps opposées France et Autriche sur les terrains militaires.
La Vie qui passe se moque bien des conflits du moment , l'art du beau , ici porté par un opéra , survit à tout .
Merci à Wolfgang , pour longtemps encore.
I know one gentlman who said like Moxart: " if they shit marbel !" *laught XD Bello, Bello, Bello !
Mozart, not Moxart. Marble, not marbel. Laughed, not laught. Sorry, but I had to do it.
lol
...I think he was already dead dasboten.
And so the debate goes on... Guys i am really getting tired of this...
wow a 16 year old video
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This scene is ridiculous. I love the movie but it is pure fiction and full of idiotic scenes.....I nevertheless love 😊😊😂 Joseph II couldn't afford to refuse the Nozze because it was a huge success ( thanks to his sister) all over Europe and particularly among Austrian nobles. This beautiful movie is PURE fiction.
Well, the play really was banned in Vienna. It was Da Ponte who argued to the emperor that the opera should be allowed.
The movie is mostly fiction, but makes use of historical facts here and there. Mozart's love of fart-jokes is accurate for instance, though I greatly doubt he would have made vulgar comments to the emperor.
@@teresagardiner153 1) you are right but you forget that it was not Da Ponte's words that convinced the Emperor. It was the popularity of the play among his nobles. Da Ponte has never had an influence on the court of Vienna. 2) The fart and poop jokes were very common in Mozart's time. It has nothing to o with Mozart 's personnality. His wife and many nobles used them. 3) Shaffer's Amadeus is a theft. He used Mozart's fame to advance his proper fame by constantly lying about him, to please the audience. He could have used a fictional character and the movie would have been as good, but of course using Mozart was a far easiest road. Read about Mozart's real life and you will find that Shaeffer is a crook. NEARLY EVERYTHING in this good movie is fictional and has nothing to do with Mozart's life.
@@antoinemozart243 I know that bathroom humor was common at the time, but that doesn't mean it wasn't part of his personality. Everything you do is part of your personality. I'm not aware of Constanze indulging in fart-jokes. I wouldn't be surprised if she did, but her letters to Mozart haven't survived, and none of her surviving letters include vulgar humor, as far as I know.
They could have made a movie about fictional characters, but then they'd have to compose the music themselves, and it probably wouldn't be as great as Mozart. Also, a famous name is better for marketing.
@@teresagardiner153 No, it wasn't part of his personnality. Like food, religion, composition styles, language's habits are not part of our personnality. We integrate them. Mozart was initiated as a free mason. It was not part of his "personnality". It was just necessary for his career as nearly all of his influential friends were initiated, like Haydn. Dirty jokes were common if you read letters , not only of the Mozart's but from the people who had the same status. It has NOTHING to do with his "personality". Sorry. And if you consider marketing by stealing the name and fame of an historic person as a badge of authenticity, I absolutely don't agree. Because, for commercial purposes, it abuses people .
@@antoinemozart243 I'm not sure why you think that learned behavior shouldn't count as part of someone's personality. Most of our behavior is probably learned, on some level.
Crude humor is pretty common in our culture nowadays as well, but not everyone likes it. Most people do some things that are common but don't do other common things. Why? Personality. Not everyone in the 18th century liked dirty humor, because not everyone had the same personality.
It's also worth pointing out that fart-jokes are *especially* common in Mozart's letters. His sister Nannerl used vulgar humor in only one of her letters, and not at all in her extensive diaries. Their parents used it more frequently than Nannerl, but still not as frequently as Mozart. That's because it was simply a more prevalent part of Mozart's personality.
it was not Mozart who assured the emperor to put the play on stage! they could have at least read some historic materials! the actor is awful. A Man who wrote such Music couldn't be so plain, banal and vulgar.
Well, we know for sure that Mozart was, in fact, quite vulgar.
The man made a piece titled "Lick my ass".
He was a very strange man from what there is about him.
Well, the testimony that he was vulgar and playful are his most difficult canons, there are some of them that are very, very nasty indeed.
Originally, "Le Nozze di Figaro"