20:31 Idk why, but I was so caught off guard by Jhin flashing, racing Sedj for the cannon, only for Sedj to smite it... I laughed until I cried and then some.
They did the same thing with yi, ez and trist a while back, in that order. They stated this with the yo rework, that they do NOT want champions that can build both, for whatever reason. Yet we still have champs like shaco. It's fucking dumb. Like, after these changes, why even pick soraka? What was the purpose here? So glad i dont play this stupid fucking game anymore.
I just played against ad senna and it didnt feel like it was nerfed at all. She hit me with those lucky low crit chance autos and bursted my hp with only dirk, no support needed.
>dies like a total noob by diving under turret to collect a soul >ignores 50% of souls lying around him that are safe to collect i just cant with this guy.
@@judgement6517Wow, your reading and comprehension skills are impressive. “As a sup main” really made you deduce that she’s a bot main? Very impressive indeed
Every champion should have both AP and AD ratios that allow you to play them as a carry or utility. This would give so much flexibility and new life to the game, similar to HOTS's system. We already see that a couple of champs are getting this treatment and I hope it continues
I don´t think they nerferd AD Senna that much, i mean, the crit is fair, the crit chance on items have aumented, and the AS never has be important on Senna imo, AA Q AA and retrieve/kite is the usual behavior on a Senna ... And everybody is forgetting that they buffed the Aditional AD scaling on her AA from +30% to +40%, so i think its more a rebalance, and with the flexibility the AP brings it can be considered a Buff in general.
So glad they are making this champ a useful support instead of just another adc that last hits your wave and has little to no supporting . Leaning with a senna isn’t bad as it is but most normal ad carry’s want to be supported by either someone with good peel engage or enchant . Not just damage and a tiny heal . Looking forward for this change .
This will be 100% nerfed. No, it's not game-breaking broken, but late game is absurd. If you switch Malignance for a healing-oriented item, you could be healing your entire crew for 400-500 HP every few seconds. I'm not even worried about the slow or the ult shield, but they do make a case for Senna being very strong late game. It looks fun as hell.
did you know if you play teemo jungle and you need to have senna in your team you can go to lane with senna in her E and stay invisible in center thats a very mind blow gang for enemy team (sry my english its not that good hope to understand me)
I actually commented about this build on senna some months ago, its really strong. I advise these items in sequence: Ionian or swiftness boots Echoes of Helia Moonstone renewer Deathcap Redemption last item is your choice. You can buy deathcap after the first supp item or after the second, its your choice. When I was able to do redemption, my Q would heal 700+ hp on a low cooldown and without helia stacks. And this was b4 this rework. She is really strong as a healer and I had a blast playing with her that way. And the ult still hits like a truck and shields a lot Someone show this to zwag pls
It sucks its a nerf for the AD side... but going a mana build might be good... Rod, manamune, mandate, ludens, ligma. Sense you still scale crit the manamune would be nice and still have some healing... buuut no h3al shield, i think her passive should give like 10 every 20 souls along with the crit.
What about going with the 3 large rod items, and a Navori to aid the Haste absence?? Maybe a bad idea, will have mana issues : T Wait!! What if go mid, take Reaver + Navori to lane/farm and then the 3 large rod items for mid-late game utiliy??
My favorite thing was having an adc that can play supp, bc i dont have to worry about farming. I can just focus on macro. These changes went live already? Is that why i struggled so hard today with ad senna?
This is how she should be!! Not a full crit ad assasin who can oneshot you from 3 screens away and fly on 6000MS with camo and 0 healing or shielding . She is a supp basta. But it is kinda too much 😅 maybe lower the numbers just a tad bit
attack speed got nerfed but still attacks reduce q cd. i think nashor could be a nice item if you get some kills. senna isn't the best on hit champ but the q applying on hits makes her better than we might think in short trades
Zwag spending the whole match thinking like a mage instead of an enchanter. -"I need more AP to do more healing" (Support items have H&S power or Mana Regen which gives H&S w/ Dawncore) - not realizing every support item give mana regen - Ability says 221 healing, does 240+ "Wheres that extra healing coming from?" (Heal and Shield power doesn't show in ability calcs)
I’ve never been a huge fan of senna because of the targeting on the q, it always just seems so damn awkward. Like either make it a skill shot or make it so that the range of which you can cast it is its maximum range.
Jhin immediately running in a straight line to their fountain on demand is the kind of loyalty you want in a support jhin
-"Is really satisfying to heal my teammates with Q"
-Proceeds to let Irelia die
some of those missed skill shots and stacks tilted me lmao
…
- i gonna let her die 😂
I was looking for this moment to see if it was a misplay or something nope dude literally chose violence lmao
20:31 Idk why, but I was so caught off guard by Jhin flashing, racing Sedj for the cannon, only for Sedj to smite it... I laughed until I cried and then some.
Pure art
Honestly i dont think she would smited had he not flashed for it.
19:28 "you forgot your fries!!"
*misses q*
"whatever i dropped them"
LLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL
one of the rare videos seeing zwag play in botlane
3:30 no one tell him about all the other souls he missed in lane up to that point XD
🤣Walks away from 2 free souls only to int for MF's.
That's why he's in Challenger and I'm not (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
It was at least 3 that I counted 😂
I was about to say that he missed one in the bush lol
I think he missed 3 4
Absolutely hate those changes. They could have buffed AP senna without nerfing AD senna. I prefer AD. Why force her into a specific playstile?!
Same 🙁
They did the same thing with yi, ez and trist a while back, in that order.
They stated this with the yo rework, that they do NOT want champions that can build both, for whatever reason. Yet we still have champs like shaco. It's fucking dumb. Like, after these changes, why even pick soraka? What was the purpose here?
So glad i dont play this stupid fucking game anymore.
@@paradoxical247lmao at "they dont want champs building both" when we have the eldritch aberration that katarina is.
“Focus on build variety” is one of the biggest lies Riot has ever tried to push
I just played against ad senna and it didnt feel like it was nerfed at all. She hit me with those lucky low crit chance autos and bursted my hp with only dirk, no support needed.
“Did Zwag get the first 6 CS?”
No, he’s the support
Lose Streak: 9
support shouldn't count if he is support it should be if his adc got all cs
Maybe for this role you could count if he upgraded his support item before enemy support did
@@2leggedhorror As greedy as Zwag is? Nah, deserved.
Day 366 of writing here which day it is
You didn’t lead your team to death- they marched there happily
24:49 "it's really satisfying to Q my teammates with this build but I'm gonna let her die" lmao!
>dies like a total noob by diving under turret to collect a soul
>ignores 50% of souls lying around him that are safe to collect
i just cant with this guy.
Nothing better than a Zwag video while having lunch
17:41 that ult might have saved Sejuani, but ulting Irelia at that moment save the team fight.
As a sup main. Its nice to see u play sup after sooo long. Would love to have a series of you playing supp carry 😂
Whats your main
I would guess main bot
@@judgement6517Wow, your reading and comprehension skills are impressive. “As a sup main” really made you deduce that she’s a bot main? Very impressive indeed
@@cyn5185 i mean, it is kind of impressive for a lol player😜
@@gi0gin Lux and Zyra mostly, but can Morgana, Leona, Swain, Nami, Naut
Senna: I am the carry now!
Lucian: Get back to supporting!
Senna: 😭
pov zwag discovers supp items are good
22:10 THE STACKSSSSSSSS
Now all they have to do is make the passive cater to both damage types better. (Such as adaptive instead of just AD)
Make it scale heal and shield power with the crit... you could go manamune into mana ap items and probably be strong. First item a Rod for more hp
@@stephenp8232 heal and shield might be a bit op
3:04 u lost a stack.
Get his ass Timmy!
He actually lost one before. For no reason, too. XD
1:12 too
7:25 what was he about to say??? Lolol
😂😂 that’s what I’m saying
@@lavagamer1373 had me like 🤨😂
literally my thoughts exactly 😂😂
LMFAOOOO
I guess the Jhin's name was Nick, but yeah sounds really weird with how fast he said it.
dawncore may have made your heal/shields even stronger than the deathcap. basically designed to be the "support's rabbadon's"
Can we appreciate how much Zwag has been uploading recently
Every champion should have both AP and AD ratios that allow you to play them as a carry or utility. This would give so much flexibility and new life to the game, similar to HOTS's system. We already see that a couple of champs are getting this treatment and I hope it continues
Riot removed a lot of scalings and role variability loooooooong time ago. Kayle was able to do all 5 roles with reasonable success for example.
Nooo not every champ should have ad and ap ratios.. imagine sera ad with her enhanced autos damaging you for 3/4 of ur health from a screen away😬
@@TheGenshinFanatic like a cait auto?
Vainglory had this too, was so fun
@@brplaysm yea except with 4x the range
20:50 Sej smiting the cannon was too funny
I don´t think they nerferd AD Senna that much, i mean, the crit is fair, the crit chance on items have aumented, and the AS never has be important on Senna imo, AA Q AA and retrieve/kite is the usual behavior on a Senna
... And everybody is forgetting that they buffed the Aditional AD scaling on her AA from +30% to +40%, so i think its more a rebalance, and with the flexibility the AP brings it can be considered a Buff in general.
They are gonna make Pyke an enchanter too?
what?
If so,
E - No longer deals damage at all. Enemies get stunned while allies hit get healed. Has an AP ratio.
@@lolittlemelody8594Ult kills heals all nearby allies lmao
@lolittlemelody8594 you sir are Hired!
Lets just leave the nonsensical idea of a support assassin alone. Its already contradictory enough.
the jhin flash and ww ulting midair had me rollinggg.. @28:20 ... "omg what did I just witness" same Zwag same
I feel like nasher's could be disgusting. late game attack range + the atk speed to reset your Q faster
A message from Timmy: you missed several stacks in lane phase south of the camera position
Rare support zwag video, better enjoy it.
So glad they are making this champ a useful support instead of just another adc that last hits your wave and has little to no supporting . Leaning with a senna isn’t bad as it is but most normal ad carry’s want to be supported by either someone with good peel engage or enchant . Not just damage and a tiny heal . Looking forward for this change .
This will be 100% nerfed. No, it's not game-breaking broken, but late game is absurd. If you switch Malignance for a healing-oriented item, you could be healing your entire crew for 400-500 HP every few seconds.
I'm not even worried about the slow or the ult shield, but they do make a case for Senna being very strong late game. It looks fun as hell.
soraka ult on 8 sec cd, nice balance rito
did you know if you play teemo jungle and you need to have senna in your team you can go to lane with senna in her E and stay invisible in center thats a very mind blow gang for enemy team (sry my english its not that good hope to understand me)
I cant remember any other Botlane Video from Zwag.
But to be fair, I dont know all videos nor do I have a good memory.
3:29 😂😂😂 Little Timmy back at it again
I actually commented about this build on senna some months ago, its really strong. I advise these items in sequence:
Ionian or swiftness boots
Echoes of Helia
Moonstone renewer
Deathcap
Redemption
last item is your choice.
You can buy deathcap after the first supp item or after the second, its your choice.
When I was able to do redemption, my Q would heal 700+ hp on a low cooldown and without helia stacks. And this was b4 this rework. She is really strong as a healer and I had a blast playing with her that way. And the ult still hits like a truck and shields a lot
Someone show this to zwag pls
Oh cool I can finally play senna the way she played at the end of season 9 again. About time
It's official: We need an anti-heal item that applies *_OUTSIDE_* of combat as well.
your Q slow does not fall off, it stays for the whole 2 seconds
You're so right about mage items. I like the new shadiwflamme just fine but they really need to add an AP anti shield item.
Hi, little Timmy here, 11:58 you missed a soul :3
It sucks its a nerf for the AD side... but going a mana build might be good... Rod, manamune, mandate, ludens, ligma. Sense you still scale crit the manamune would be nice and still have some healing... buuut no h3al shield, i think her passive should give like 10 every 20 souls along with the crit.
I don’t know why but Jhin following you around for a heal is so freaking funny to me 😂 26:05 is when it happens.
I love how towards the end they are always lining up so politely to wait for the q heals 😂
I'm always so proud when you give your life to get the souls. Thank you, Zwag
24:44 "It´s really satisfying that my teammates with this build but i´m gonna let her die"
Yesterday i was looking for a recent zwag senna vid and the man listened!
Kinda like AP Varus. AP Senna is a fun support option, but people flame if you not playing the second ADC role.
"If I had attack speed, I could out-heal the turret"
Nashor's incoming? :D
So now we have a 100% focus support Senna, for me a Sona, a Soraka or a Nami are best options but man I don't work for balance team.
This looks fun as hell actually. Call it Field Medic Senna
I tried that build and it's insanely effective. It works thousand times better than the original build. Ty Zwag!
"the only thing that does damage with this build is the ult"
WELLLL THATS THE SAME AS AP ASHE
Maybe you could try dawncore for more ap and heal/shield power with a bunch of mana regen if you want to commit to a full enchanter senna setup...
I just thought of this but they just brought back rageblade on senna this time with nashers tooth
No they didn't. Keep in mind they nerfed her attack speed scaling a lot and it was bad in the first place.
@WorldOfDeepThought I still feel like they did tho start with ardent into washer final with rb swif or berseks
My favorite videos are the ones in which you appear to be genuinely enjoying yourself. 😊
I really REALLY love these zwag support vids so fun watching them
You should try on-hit Malphite but you start with iceborn gauntlet
What about going with the 3 large rod items, and a Navori to aid the Haste absence??
Maybe a bad idea, will have mana issues : T
Wait!! What if go mid, take Reaver + Navori to lane/farm and then the 3 large rod items for mid-late game utiliy??
@27:30 is that a freakin diddykong racing song remix? It fits so well with the game mood too 😂
Zwag was so unserious this episode. lol Refreshing to see you buy different items.
Rena talking smack to the tryn made me cackle 😂
Watching Zwag play support is so painful, he never wards in usual role, but now he has a support item with loads of wards he never uses.
That's bananas. Would love to see a Nashor's in the full AP build.
So.... pyke has become the only AD support? Thanks Riot for the diversity of support characters....
And panth
And ashe
go kraken lulu
Critcrank 😏
That archetype might be dead. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same thing to Pyke after this.
Jhin: Am I walking you or you r walking me?
i love how his team after seeing the heal just decides to line up for the next ones XDDD
I wonder if senna q could 100% slow with full AP
Dang, senna was such a perfect champion to carry with if your adc is a troll.
My favorite thing was having an adc that can play supp, bc i dont have to worry about farming. I can just focus on macro. These changes went live already? Is that why i struggled so hard today with ad senna?
7:27 Antisynergy? that looked hella cool!!
Is this live? If not when does it go live?
22:11 this is why zwag inted for a tower soul early game. So he could watch 4 souls disappear infront of him for no reason lol
This is how she should be!!
Not a full crit ad assasin who can oneshot you from 3 screens away and fly on 6000MS with camo and 0 healing or shielding .
She is a supp basta.
But it is kinda too much 😅 maybe lower the numbers just a tad bit
Zwag, for a support, you're a great DPS. Fun game tho.
3:30 zwag = Spar mac???? little timmy???? did i catch you????
Hmmm perhaps a melee ADC for this.
Game with the least amount of Zwag's kills. But still was very nice to watch. Game was very chill with decent teammates
Is this a pbe patch? I cant find it on live server patch nothes
yes
is nobody gunna talk about what he did with the harold? 😭😭
due to zac's funny critical hit animation , i request a humble nashors tooth + shadowflame game so that you start hitting 623HP's on your enemies
Now im waiting for the ap darius + caitlyn buffs and the ad morde + asol buffs
Can't wait to play Senna again
You should be able to hot 101%slow according to vandril
zwag in the bot lane holy ! never thought id see the day
"can we out heal the fountain"
Jhin: say less
Zwag is the support so I won’t count missed cannons
attack speed got nerfed but still attacks reduce q cd. i think nashor could be a nice item if you get some kills. senna isn't the best on hit champ but the q applying on hits makes her better than we might think in short trades
me amused by Zwag learning about all the cool support only items
Zwag spending the whole match thinking like a mage instead of an enchanter.
-"I need more AP to do more healing" (Support items have H&S power or Mana Regen which gives H&S w/ Dawncore)
- not realizing every support item give mana regen
- Ability says 221 healing, does 240+ "Wheres that extra healing coming from?" (Heal and Shield power doesn't show in ability calcs)
It's mini-game time.
Lost soul counter: Zwag lost 32 souls at: 1:13, 3:05, 7:28, 10:45, 11:50, 12:00 (×2), 15:40, 15:50, 17:35, 21:20, 21:45, 21:50, 22:00, 22:15 (×4), 25:10 (×2), 25:40 (×3), 27:43, 28:10, 30:15 (×2), 30:35 (×4), and 30:45.
I really wish there was a support Zwag series!!!
Are these changes already on live server?
Or just in PBE?
"rework" is a strong word for a change in ap scalling of 2 spells lol....
watching you just randomly hit minions drives me crazy
I’ve never been a huge fan of senna because of the targeting on the q, it always just seems so damn awkward. Like either make it a skill shot or make it so that the range of which you can cast it is its maximum range.
can we see a tahm kench senna sup lane
Can you try max heal Seraphine. Its really satisfying especially when you have tanks in your team
Hell yeah 30 sec gang round of nose beers!
1:13, 2:24 in-game time, missed stack ;)